Kansas or Journey...someone stole a riff!!!

by **jrny84** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:22 am

Well I know is Journey is definetly the better band, both live, and with songwriting.

by **S2M** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:35 am

jrny84 wrote:Well I know is Journey is definetly the better band, both live, and with songwriting.

Are you fucking serious???? Seriously, lay off the crack pipe, and get off your kness from in front of the journey alter. Journey's been more commercially successful - that's about it. Musically, Kansas is so far ahead of Journey is is quite laughable. Friga wishes he had 1/10 of Livgren's songwriting capability.

At the crossroads Journey chose to be commercially successful, they 'sold out', if you will....Kansas changed their sound when the main songwriter(Walsh also wrote, but his songs basically sucked) left to write more christian music.....Kansas never cared about hit songs or charting # 1s.

Songwriting? Man, that is the funniest, and saddest thing I've read in awhile.....

by **Saint John** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:51 am

StocktontoMalone wrote:Kansas never cared about hit songs or charting # 1s.

That's quite obvious. :lol:

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:54 am

Didn't Herbie mention this in his Catles Burning interview?

by **KDOUBLEU** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:26 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Didn't Herbie mention this in his Catles Burning interview?

Yep I just reread that interview and he did say that.

by **stevew2** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:53 am

jrny84 wrote:Well I know is Journey is definetly the better band, both live, and with songwriting.

Guay guys write good songs

by **jrny84** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:06 am

StocktontoMalone wrote:
jrny84 wrote:Well I know is Journey is definetly the better band, both live, and with songwriting.

Are you fucking serious???? Seriously, lay off the crack pipe, and get off your kness from in front of the journey alter. Journey's been more commercially successful - that's about it. Musically, Kansas is so far ahead of Journey is is quite laughable. Friga wishes he had 1/10 of Livgren's songwriting capability.

At the crossroads Journey chose to be commercially successful, they 'sold out', if you will....Kansas changed their sound when the main songwriter(Walsh also wrote, but his songs basically sucked) left to write more christian music.....Kansas never cared about hit songs or charting # 1s.

Songwriting? Man, that is the funniest, and saddest thing I've read in awhile.....

Yeah i am serious! Get off your crackpipe! Kansas was nothing compared to Journey, sorry to break your bubble.

by **G.I.Jim** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:02 am

StocktontoMalone wrote:
jrny84 wrote:Well I know is Journey is definetly the better band, both live, and with songwriting.

Are you fucking serious???? Seriously, lay off the crack pipe, and get off your kness from in front of the journey alter. Journey's been more commercially successful - that's about it. Musically, Kansas is so far ahead of Journey is is quite laughable. Friga wishes he had 1/10 of Livgren's songwriting capability.

At the crossroads Journey chose to be commercially successful, they 'sold out', if you will....Kansas changed their sound when the main songwriter(Walsh also wrote, but his songs basically sucked) left to write more christian music.....Kansas never cared about hit songs or charting # 1s.
Songwriting? Man, that is the funniest, and saddest thing I've read in awhile.....

I've gotta agree with Dan on this...I saw them live in a little club here in Columbia back in '93, and the keyboardist/singer (can't remember his name) went on about a 5 minute rant about how Kansas had to play little dives because not enough people were buying their albums. It's obvious by his rant, that they want radio hits.

Hey here's an idea...play more commercial stuff that more than a handfull of people can get into and relate to! :roll:

I really like Kansas, but they sing about kings and castles, and strange shit! Like I said...I like them, but they just don't get it, or just don't know HOW to write more commercial songs.

by **S2M** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:11 am

G.I.Jim wrote:
StocktontoMalone wrote:
jrny84 wrote:Well I know is Journey is definetly the better band, both live, and with songwriting.

Are you fucking serious???? Seriously, lay off the crack pipe, and get off your kness from in front of the journey alter. Journey's been more commercially successful - that's about it. Musically, Kansas is so far ahead of Journey is is quite laughable. Friga wishes he had 1/10 of Livgren's songwriting capability.

At the crossroads Journey chose to be commercially successful, they 'sold out', if you will....Kansas changed their sound when the main songwriter(Walsh also wrote, but his songs basically sucked) left to write more christian music.....Kansas never cared about hit songs or charting # 1s.
Songwriting? Man, that is the funniest, and saddest thing I've read in awhile.....

I've gotta agree with Dan on this...I saw them live in a little club here in Columbia back in '93, and the keyboardist/singer (can't remember his name) went on about a 5 minute rant about how Kansas had to play little dives because not enough people were buying their albums. It's obvious by his rant, that they want radio hits.

Hey here's an idea...play more commercial stuff that more than a handfull of people can get into and relate to! I really like Kansas, but they sing about kings and castles, and strange shit! Like I said...I like them, but they just don't get it, or just don't know HOW to write more commercial songs.

Hey....I usually like your posts, but you are way off here. Do some research before you reply with a post, Jim....DIO sings about kings and castles. Kansas does not sing about kings and castles....Kansas is a well-disguised pseudo-christian band.

Kings and Castles.....this board churns out some weird shit sometimes..... :roll:

by **hoagiepete** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:42 am

Being from Kansas and a huge fan, I always thought it was a given that they kind of lifted the rift from Schon. I thought it was even mentioned in the liner notes on Times3.

They may have picked up a portion of a rif, but the songs have no comparison. Neal should be flattered they turned his rif into an awesome, but now way overplayed, song. Instead of whining about it like he has done...I might have taken a more positive approach. That's just me.

Livgren's lyrics are way deeper than Cain's. No comparison. The Kansas musical arrangements much more complex. No comparison. Musicians?? Better is in the ears of the beholder. I think Neil is much superior on guitar and Smith excelled in drums, but the rest are comparable. Having said that, the music is apples and oranges. All good to me!

Those of you bagging on Kansas ever sit and listen to any of their albums all the way through? Try Leftoverature...forget about COWS. Point of Know Return. Go back before Leftoverature with Song for America or Masque. If your looking for pop 40, don't bother.

If you want a real treat...check out Livgren's Seeds of Change album. Several guest singers, including Dio, which is a story in itself. Think you might be impressed.

by **johnroxx** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:53 am

hoagiepete wrote:Being from Kansas and a huge fan, I always thought it was a given that they kind of lifted the rift from Schon. I thought it was even mentioned in the liner notes on Times3.

They may have picked up a portion of a rif, but the songs have no comparison. Neal should be flattered they turned his rif into an awesome, but now way overplayed, song. Instead of whining about it like he has done...I might have taken a more positive approach. That's just me.

Livgren's lyrics are way deeper than Cain's. No comparison. The Kansas musical arrangements much more complex. No comparison. Musicians?? Better is in the ears of the beholder. I think Neil is much superior on guitar and Smith excelled in drums, but the rest are comparable. Having said that, the music is apples and oranges. All good to me!

Those of you bagging on Kansas ever sit and listen to any of their albums all the way through? Try Leftoverature...forget about COWS. Point of Know Return. Go back before Leftoverature with Song for America or Masque. If your looking for pop 40, don't bother.

If you want a real treat...check out Livgren's Seeds of Change album. Several guest singers, including Dio, which is a story in itself. Think you might be impressed.

+1...

Kansas...a "hack" band? Now THAT'S some funny shit right there, lol...

Song For America (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qVWGJhnV78

What's On My Mind (studio): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC_SQNB4e1U

Child of Innocence (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QgB0hpuEY

The Wall (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pklz5ZQUSfM

Please note the complete absence of "lipping" or pre-recorded vocal tracks in the multi-part harmonies on the live recordings.

;^)

by **Rick** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:55 am

johnroxx wrote:
hoagiepete wrote:Being from Kansas and a huge fan, I always thought it was a given that they kind of lifted the rift from Schon. I thought it was even mentioned in the liner notes on Times3.

They may have picked up a portion of a rif, but the songs have no comparison. Neal should be flattered they turned his rif into an awesome, but now way overplayed, song. Instead of whining about it like he has done...I might have taken a more positive approach. That's just me.

Livgren's lyrics are way deeper than Cain's. No comparison. The Kansas musical arrangements much more complex. No comparison. Musicians?? Better is in the ears of the beholder. I think Neil is much superior on guitar and Smith excelled in drums, but the rest are comparable. Having said that, the music is apples and oranges. All good to me!

Those of you bagging on Kansas ever sit and listen to any of their albums all the way through? Try Leftoverature...forget about COWS. Point of Know Return. Go back before Leftoverature with Song for America or Masque. If your looking for pop 40, don't bother.

If you want a real treat...check out Livgren's Seeds of Change album. Several guest singers, including Dio, which is a story in itself. Think you might be impressed.

+1...

Kansas...a "hack" band? Now THAT'S some funny shit right there, lol...

Song For America (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qVWGJhnV78

What's On My Mind (studio): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC_SQNB4e1U

Child of Innocence (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QgB0hpuEY

The Wall (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pklz5ZQUSfM

Please note the complete absence of "lipping" or pre-recorded vocal tracks in the multi-part harmonies on the live recordings.

;^)

You know I was kidding. Or I hope you do. I love Kansas. Was just trying to cause a stir. :lol:

by **Ehwmatt** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:57 am

Saint John wrote:
stevew2 wrote:Neal said at a concert {which was embarassing} "we are going to do an old song for ya,you ll reconize a piece in it that Rush ripped of from us.He was referring to Tom Sawyer[[When they playing "Im gonna leave You" Ruch kicked Journeys ass with Tom Sawyer

Neal Schon is on record at concerts as saying that Kansas ripped off Carry On Wayward Son from Journey. Ironically, the first review of the album that I went to had this to say, " “I’m Gonna Leave You”... The riff that starts this one sounds similar to the second half of that heard in Kansas’s “Carry on Wayward Son.”

I'm not sure about the Rush song you're referring to. Tom Sawyer doesn't really sound like any Journey song that I know of.

The Tom Sawyer reference is to Nickel and Dime. And yes, they made it clear that they thought Rush and Kansas stole from them on the Generations tour. I remember that very clearly. Love all three bands.

by **weatherman90** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:57 am

JSS borrowed a riff on "21st Century" from Styx's "Edge of the Century" - anyone else notice this?

http://www.last.fm/music/Styx/_/Edge+of+the+Century?autostart - 14 seconds in (STYX)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfw1BdkGiG4 (JSS)

by **hoagiepete** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:00 am

Rick wrote:
johnroxx wrote:
hoagiepete wrote:Being from Kansas and a huge fan, I always thought it was a given that they kind of lifted the rift from Schon. I thought it was even mentioned in the liner notes on Times3.

They may have picked up a portion of a rif, but the songs have no comparison. Neal should be flattered they turned his rif into an awesome, but now way overplayed, song. Instead of whining about it like he has done...I might have taken a more positive approach. That's just me.

Livgren's lyrics are way deeper than Cain's. No comparison. The Kansas musical arrangements much more complex. No comparison. Musicians?? Better is in the ears of the beholder. I think Neil is much superior on guitar and Smith excelled in drums, but the rest are comparable. Having said that, the music is apples and oranges. All good to me!

Those of you bagging on Kansas ever sit and listen to any of their albums all the way through? Try Leftoverature...forget about COWS. Point of Know Return. Go back before Leftoverature with Song for America or Masque. If your looking for pop 40, don't bother.

If you want a real treat...check out Livgren's Seeds of Change album. Several guest singers, including Dio, which is a story in itself. Think you might be impressed.

+1...

Kansas...a "hack" band? Now THAT'S some funny shit right there, lol...

Song For America (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qVWGJhnV78

What's On My Mind (studio): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC_SQNB4e1U

Child of Innocence (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QgB0hpuEY

The Wall (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pklz5ZQUSfM

Please note the complete absence of "lipping" or pre-recorded vocal tracks in the multi-part harmonies on the live recordings.

;^)

You know I was kidding. Or I hope you do. I love Kansas. Was just trying to cause a stir.

No problem! You're a good man with great musical taste.

Just realized I can't spell worth a shit! LeftoverAture?? :oops:

...as I help my youngest with a big homework project!

by **Rick** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:01 am

hoagiepete wrote:
Rick wrote:
johnroxx wrote:
hoagiepete wrote:Being from Kansas and a huge fan, I always thought it was a given that they kind of lifted the rift from Schon. I thought it was even mentioned in the liner notes on Times3.

They may have picked up a portion of a rif, but the songs have no comparison. Neal should be flattered they turned his rif into an awesome, but now way overplayed, song. Instead of whining about it like he has done...I might have taken a more positive approach. That's just me.

Livgren's lyrics are way deeper than Cain's. No comparison. The Kansas musical arrangements much more complex. No comparison. Musicians?? Better is in the ears of the beholder. I think Neil is much superior on guitar and Smith excelled in drums, but the rest are comparable. Having said that, the music is apples and oranges. All good to me!

Those of you bagging on Kansas ever sit and listen to any of their albums all the way through? Try Leftoverature...forget about COWS. Point of Know Return. Go back before Leftoverature with Song for America or Masque. If your looking for pop 40, don't bother.

If you want a real treat...check out Livgren's Seeds of Change album. Several guest singers, including Dio, which is a story in itself. Think you might be impressed.

+1...

Kansas...a "hack" band? Now THAT'S some funny shit right there, lol...

Song For America (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qVWGJhnV78

What's On My Mind (studio): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC_SQNB4e1U

Child of Innocence (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QgB0hpuEY

The Wall (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pklz5ZQUSfM

Please note the complete absence of "lipping" or pre-recorded vocal tracks in the multi-part harmonies on the live recordings.

;^)

You know I was kidding. Or I hope you do. I love Kansas. Was just trying to cause a stir.

No problem! You're a good man with great musical taste.

Just realized I can't spell worth a shit! LeftoverAture?? ...as I help my youngest with a big homework project!

by **johnroxx** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:05 am

Rick wrote:
johnroxx wrote:
hoagiepete wrote:Being from Kansas and a huge fan, I always thought it was a given that they kind of lifted the rift from Schon. I thought it was even mentioned in the liner notes on Times3.

They may have picked up a portion of a rif, but the songs have no comparison. Neal should be flattered they turned his rif into an awesome, but now way overplayed, song. Instead of whining about it like he has done...I might have taken a more positive approach. That's just me.

Livgren's lyrics are way deeper than Cain's. No comparison. The Kansas musical arrangements much more complex. No comparison. Musicians?? Better is in the ears of the beholder. I think Neil is much superior on guitar and Smith excelled in drums, but the rest are comparable. Having said that, the music is apples and oranges. All good to me!

Those of you bagging on Kansas ever sit and listen to any of their albums all the way through? Try Leftoverature...forget about COWS. Point of Know Return. Go back before Leftoverature with Song for America or Masque. If your looking for pop 40, don't bother.

If you want a real treat...check out Livgren's Seeds of Change album. Several guest singers, including Dio, which is a story in itself. Think you might be impressed.

+1...

Kansas...a "hack" band? Now THAT'S some funny shit right there, lol...

Song For America (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qVWGJhnV78

What's On My Mind (studio): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC_SQNB4e1U

Child of Innocence (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QgB0hpuEY

The Wall (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pklz5ZQUSfM

Please note the complete absence of "lipping" or pre-recorded vocal tracks in the multi-part harmonies on the live recordings.

;^)

You know I was kidding. Or I hope you do. I love Kansas. Was just trying to cause a stir. :lol:

My bad...sorry I missed the "stir" factor.

If I was offered free front-row seats to a single Kansas show, OR free front-row seats to ten Journey shows, I'd have to go with Kansas...both great bands, but no contest as to which is the better one, especially live.

;^)

by **Rick** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:07 am

johnroxx wrote:
Rick wrote:
johnroxx wrote:
hoagiepete wrote:Being from Kansas and a huge fan, I always thought it was a given that they kind of lifted the rift from Schon. I thought it was even mentioned in the liner notes on Times3.

They may have picked up a portion of a rif, but the songs have no comparison. Neal should be flattered they turned his rif into an awesome, but now way overplayed, song. Instead of whining about it like he has done...I might have taken a more positive approach. That's just me.

Livgren's lyrics are way deeper than Cain's. No comparison. The Kansas musical arrangements much more complex. No comparison. Musicians?? Better is in the ears of the beholder. I think Neil is much superior on guitar and Smith excelled in drums, but the rest are comparable. Having said that, the music is apples and oranges. All good to me!

Those of you bagging on Kansas ever sit and listen to any of their albums all the way through? Try Leftoverature...forget about COWS. Point of Know Return. Go back before Leftoverature with Song for America or Masque. If your looking for pop 40, don't bother.

If you want a real treat...check out Livgren's Seeds of Change album. Several guest singers, including Dio, which is a story in itself. Think you might be impressed.

+1...

Kansas...a "hack" band? Now THAT'S some funny shit right there, lol...

Song For America (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qVWGJhnV78

What's On My Mind (studio): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC_SQNB4e1U

Child of Innocence (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QgB0hpuEY

The Wall (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pklz5ZQUSfM

Please note the complete absence of "lipping" or pre-recorded vocal tracks in the multi-part harmonies on the live recordings.

;^)

You know I was kidding. Or I hope you do. I love Kansas. Was just trying to cause a stir. :lol:

My bad...sorry I missed the "stir" factor.

If I was offered free front-row seats to a single Kansas show, OR free front-row seats to ten Journey shows, I'd have to go with Kansas...both great bands, but no contest as to which is the better one, especially live.

;^)

We differ there, but that would be cool, either way.

by **johnroxx** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:42 am

It's all good, Rick...

;^)

by **weatherman90** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:47 am

johnroxx wrote:If I was offered free front-row seats to a single Kansas show, OR free front-row seats to ten Journey shows, I'd have to go with Kansas...both great bands, but no contest as to which is the better one, especially live.

;^)

That's quite a statement. I'll be seeing Kansas in July and now I have very high expectations! :lol:

by **Ehwmatt** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:39 am

weatherman90 wrote:
johnroxx wrote:If I was offered free front-row seats to a single Kansas show, OR free front-row seats to ten Journey shows, I'd have to go with Kansas...both great bands, but no contest as to which is the better one, especially live.

;^)

That's quite a statement. I'll be seeing Kansas in July and now I have very high expectations!

I love the Device/Voice/Drum DVD. Great show/production. I've heard that Walsh doesn't sing too well live any more... not sure if that's true or not. Maybe I'll go look some recent live Kansas up on YT

by **Saint John** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:43 am

johnroxx wrote:If I was offered free front-row seats to a single Kansas show, OR free front-row seats to ten Journey shows, I'd have to go with Kansas...both great bands, but no contest as to which is the better one, especially live.

Please tell me that you don't mean at any time in either band's history, John. Like, oh, say...the early 80's Perry era!

by **squirt1** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:41 pm

I see Kansas as a band similar to Chicago. It is an orchestra band for sure. Journey followed by Styx and Foreinger were in another class with Journey topping them all. Journey was the most successful when Perry was writing with Neal and Cain and therefore all the albums and hits ! I place BonJovi with Def Leppard and Aerosmith with Led Zep. I put Queen above LedZep but the same league. I think All I wanted and Can't cry anymore were 2 great Kansas songs !

by **hoagiepete** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:21 pm

weatherman90 wrote:
johnroxx wrote:If I was offered free front-row seats to a single Kansas show, OR free front-row seats to ten Journey shows, I'd have to go with Kansas...both great bands, but no contest as to which is the better one, especially live.

;^)

That's quite a statement. I'll be seeing Kansas in July and now I have very high expectations!

As a diehard Kansas fan...I don't know if I'd go that far. It's just a little apple and orange thing going on. With Kansas, I like to get a good buzz on and just absorb the music...at Journey concerts...I'm fired up and ready to party. Both are great in their own way. If I had to rate them...Journey in their prime (Departure/Captured tour...ok SJ...Escape and Frontiers too

) eeked out Kansas in their prime (Leftoverture/Point of Know Return era). Both are great in their own right.

They are still good live, but they need the second guitar/keyboard player. I wish Livgren would go out full time. He played a couple of songs the past several stops in Topeka. Walsh has definitely matured. He's a lot better than he was a few years ago...but he ain't twenty five anymore that's for sure.

Far as sales (tickets and albums) go, with out checking, I'm sure Journey clocked the boys of the Southwind, but just ask the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, that don't mean shit.

by **G.I.Jim** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:25 pm

StocktontoMalone wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:
StocktontoMalone wrote:
jrny84 wrote:Well I know is Journey is definetly the better band, both live, and with songwriting.

Are you fucking serious???? Seriously, lay off the crack pipe, and get off your kness from in front of the journey alter. Journey's been more commercially successful - that's about it. Musically, Kansas is so far ahead of Journey is is quite laughable. Friga wishes he had 1/10 of Livgren's songwriting capability.

At the crossroads Journey chose to be commercially successful, they 'sold out', if you will....Kansas changed their sound when the main songwriter(Walsh also wrote, but his songs basically sucked) left to write more christian music.....Kansas never cared about hit songs or charting # 1s.
Songwriting? Man, that is the funniest, and saddest thing I've read in awhile.....

I've gotta agree with Dan on this...I saw them live in a little club here in Columbia back in '93, and the keyboardist/singer (can't remember his name) went on about a 5 minute rant about how Kansas had to play little dives because not enough people were buying their albums. It's obvious by his rant, that they want radio hits.

Hey here's an idea...play more commercial stuff that more than a handfull of people can get into and relate to! I really like Kansas, but they sing about kings and castles, and strange shit! Like I said...I like them, but they just don't get it, or just don't know HOW to write more commercial songs.

Hey....I usually like your posts, but you are way off here. Do some research before you reply with a post, Jim....DIO sings about kings and castles. Kansas does not sing about kings and castles....Kansas is a well-disguised pseudo-christian band.

Kings and Castles.....this board churns out some weird shit sometimes.....

Uh...I don't have to research. Like I said...I really like Kansas (therefore, I have some of their albums!). Go listen to "Closet Chronicals" from "Point Of No Return", then get back to me. I'll accept your apoloy in advance. As a matter of fact, I'll just post it here for you now. :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ld3prHz ... re=related

While we're at it...lets talk about some other "strange shit" I mentioned! :wink:

1. "Mysteries and Mayhem"-don't know what the hell they're singing about , do you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbdsg4vCs-w

2. "Icarus-born on wings of steel"...do I need to say more? :shock:

3. "Sparks of the Tempest"...do I really need to go on? They sing about shit that NOBODY has a clue about, or can relate to! :roll:

I'll appreciate that apology...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnijc9wN ... re=related

I will give you that they were awesome musicians (and are still great even thought most of the origina; members are gone), but they never had commercial success because of songs like this. Next time, iI hope YOU do some research! :wink:

by **Maui Tom** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:20 pm

johnroxx wrote:
Rick wrote:
johnroxx wrote:
hoagiepete wrote:Being from Kansas and a huge fan, I always thought it was a given that they kind of lifted the rift from Schon. I thought it was even mentioned in the liner notes on Times3.

They may have picked up a portion of a rif, but the songs have no comparison. Neal should be flattered they turned his rif into an awesome, but now way overplayed, song. Instead of whining about it like he has done...I might have taken a more positive approach. That's just me.

Livgren's lyrics are way deeper than Cain's. No comparison. The Kansas musical arrangements much more complex. No comparison. Musicians?? Better is in the ears of the beholder. I think Neil is much superior on guitar and Smith excelled in drums, but the rest are comparable. Having said that, the music is apples and oranges. All good to me!

Those of you bagging on Kansas ever sit and listen to any of their albums all the way through? Try Leftoverature...forget about COWS. Point of Know Return. Go back before Leftoverature with Song for America or Masque. If your looking for pop 40, don't bother.

If you want a real treat...check out Livgren's Seeds of Change album. Several guest singers, including Dio, which is a story in itself. Think you might be impressed.

+1...

Kansas...a "hack" band? Now THAT'S some funny shit right there, lol...

Song For America (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qVWGJhnV78

What's On My Mind (studio): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC_SQNB4e1U

Child of Innocence (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QgB0hpuEY

The Wall (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pklz5ZQUSfM

Please note the complete absence of "lipping" or pre-recorded vocal tracks in the multi-part harmonies on the live recordings.

;^)

You know I was kidding. Or I hope you do. I love Kansas. Was just trying to cause a stir. :lol:

My bad...sorry I missed the "stir" factor.

If I was offered free front-row seats to a single Kansas show, OR free front-row seats to ten Journey shows, I'd have to go with Kansas...both great bands, but no contest as to which is the better one, especially live.

;^)

Front row to see Kansas at a Bobby Flay Throwdown should be no big deal....

by **Vladan** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:12 pm

My question is: If Kansas are so good, why doesn't Andrew have a forum dedicated to them?.

Kansas rocks, but... I really can only find 3 of their songs I like, and Journey? well I just love their entire catalog. All those Kansas front men they ever had, could only wish they were half as good as Steve Perry! and that alone is enough. Journey will always be remembered, while Kansas on the hand are actually rather forgettable (that could answer my previous question, maybe). IMO, Kansas don't have anything that makes them stand out from the rest of the crowd. Queen, Journey, Whitesnake, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, those groups are stand out groups, usually because of their the singer or guitarist, or both.

The only reason I got into them in the first place was because of "Guitar Hero 2" with Carry On My Wayward Son on the set list, apart from that... I seriously doubt I would know who they are (they are just not that talked about) compared to Journey.

Those are my thoughts on the matter.

Website · by **steveo777** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:54 pm

StocktontoMalone wrote:Musically, Kansas puts Journey to shame......I admit that Neal is a better guitarist that Rich Williams. But overall, as far as compositions and lyrics - Kansas slays most bands.....Kansas doesn't need to steal shit from anybody.

It was that stolen riff that propelled Journey into the stratosphere, leaving Kansas in the dust, under a bus, somewhere in, well, Kansas! Puts Journey to shame? If that's what you need to fall asleep at night....keep telling yourself that. Whoaaaaaaa! I heard they just lost their lead singer. He was picked up by a band from the Philippines who found him on YouTube! :twisted:

by **S2M** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:55 pm

Vladan wrote:My question is: If Kansas are so good, why doesn't Andrew have a forum dedicated to them?.

Kansas rocks, but... I really can only find 3 of their songs I like, and Journey? well I just love their entire catalog. All those Kansas front men they ever had, could only wish they were half as good as Steve Perry! and that alone is enough. Journey will always be remembered, while Kansas on the hand are actually rather forgettable (that could answer my previous question, maybe). IMO, Kansas don't have anything that makes them stand out from the rest of the crowd. Queen, Journey, Whitesnake, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, those groups are stand out groups, usually because of their the singer or guitarist, or both.

The only reason I got into them in the first place was because of "Guitar Hero 2" with Carry On My Wayward Son on the set list, apart from that... I seriously doubt I would know who they are (they are just not that talked about) compared to Journey.

Those are my thoughts on the matter.

Keep drinking the kool aid, my man.....keep drinking the kool aid. :twisted:

by **Vladan** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:00 pm

I see... well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koBWtYVRf-0 this song is pretty cool as well

PS
Whats cool aid?

I keep seeing that term, is it a soft drink from the states or something

MR

Kansas or Journey...someone stole a riff!!!

Who was the flaming song pirate???

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