NealMOTHERFUCKINGSchon

[Gideon]

I think what young fans need to remember is that while Journey is still out touring and yes, making new albums, they are still making the bulk of their money off of their past success from the dirty dozen of the late 70's and 80's. Which means, yes, they're still "working hard" to make that money off of past hits with someone else bringing the "legacy" (Perry) sound.

So while some of you guys can bag on Perry and ask "What has he done for me lately" may I remind you that because of Perry's voice, Neal and Jon went out to find guys like Steve Augeri and Arnel Pindea to carry on the legacy. If that was not the case, Neal and Jon would have just gotten any other house hold name of a singer regardless of pitch, tone, or whatever. Heck, they probably wouldn've have ever screwed over Jeff Scott Soto.

So, instead of trying to pretend that Perry was never an important aspect of the band, (which would be retarded to think such,) I think people need to respect all members, past and present who has helped to make this band great.

BRAVO,BRAVO

not to be a dick, but... UNRELATED UNRELATED

Yeah, it doesn't apply at all.

No one's denying what Perry brought to the band.

Meanwhile, you have people wanting to charge Neal Schon for every time he so much as "plucks his guitar" and feel that, for some reason, he should be given a percentage of their tour revenue, despite the fact that they're working their asses off and he wasn't the sole writer to these songs. I'd bet if Perry went back on tour, people would shit a brick if he had to pay Journey for singing their songs.

Yeah... people pretending Perry wasn't important to the band... my ass. More like selective vision for random people to espouse bullshit Perry apologia.

[Babyblue]

Not saying anything about Neal he is a jerk.But he is damm good at what he brings to the table.

[Onestepper]

Not saying anything about Neal he is a jerk.But he is damm good at what he brings to the table.

What? You aren't saying anything about him, then you call him a jerk?

Wanna try again?

[Red13JoePa]

Back in '05, you could see in Neal's appearance that he didn't have it together, and that Journey was going down with him.

Whoa...one of his BEST tours, he couldn't play the offbeat stuff he played that tour w/out major practice rehearsals and chops without being at the TOP of his game.
Kouhoutek, I'm Gonna Leave You, Mystery Mountain, Cookie Duster, the rarely played stuff off Infinity and Evolution??? The complex Generations guitar parts???

Tapegate be damned, Schon showed up and did his part AWESOMELY on that tour

[Babyblue]

Not saying anything about Neal he is a jerk.But he is damm good at what he brings to the table.

What? You aren't saying anything about him, then you call him a jerk?

Wanna try again?

OK he is a jerk big time.But that boy can play ....he can blow you away he is that good.

[Red13JoePa]

Not saying anything about Neal he is a jerk.But he is damm good at what he brings to the table.

What? You aren't saying anything about him, then you call him a jerk?

Wanna try again?

OK he is a jerk big time.But that boy can play ....he can blow you away he is that good.

I love trends! Like here, one is, it's so not hip to pay Schon/Cain ANY compliment unless there's this kind of preamble to it as a caveat.

[Babyblue]

Not saying anything about Neal he is a jerk.But he is damm good at what he brings to the table.

What? You aren't saying anything about him, then you call him a jerk?

Wanna try again?

OK he is a jerk big time.But that boy can play ....he can blow you away he is that good.

I love trends! Like here, one is, it's so not hip to pay Schon/Cain ANY compliment unless there's this kind of preamble to it as a caveat.

[Jana]

Not saying anything about Neal he is a jerk.But he is damm good at what he brings to the table.

What? You aren't saying anything about him, then you call him a jerk?

Wanna try again?

OK he is a jerk big time.But that boy can play ....he can blow you away he is that good.

I love trends! Like here, one is, it's so not hip to pay Schon/Cain ANY compliment unless there's this kind of preamble to it as a caveat.

So true, Red13JoePa.

[Red13JoePa]

Not saying anything about Neal he is a jerk.But he is damm good at what he brings to the table.

What? You aren't saying anything about him, then you call him a jerk?

Wanna try again?

OK he is a jerk big time.But that boy can play ....he can blow you away he is that good.

I love trends! Like here, one is, it's so not hip to pay Schon/Cain ANY compliment unless there's this kind of preamble to it as a caveat.

Care to impart your knowledge that leads you to call him a jerk? Or you just putting that label out there?

[Rhiannon]

I love trends! Like here, one is, it's so not hip to pay Schon/Cain ANY compliment unless there's this kind of preamble to it as a caveat.

Coolots and jelly sandals were trends too. Doesn't make them right.

[skinsguy]

I think what young fans need to remember is that while Journey is still out touring and yes, making new albums, they are still making the bulk of their money off of their past success from the dirty dozen of the late 70's and 80's. Which means, yes, they're still "working hard" to make that money off of past hits with someone else bringing the "legacy" (Perry) sound.

So while some of you guys can bag on Perry and ask "What has he done for me lately" may I remind you that because of Perry's voice, Neal and Jon went out to find guys like Steve Augeri and Arnel Pindea to carry on the legacy. If that was not the case, Neal and Jon would have just gotten any other house hold name of a singer regardless of pitch, tone, or whatever. Heck, they probably wouldn've have ever screwed over Jeff Scott Soto.

So, instead of trying to pretend that Perry was never an important aspect of the band, (which would be retarded to think such,) I think people need to respect all members, past and present who has helped to make this band great.

BRAVO,BRAVO

not to be a dick, but... UNRELATED UNRELATED

No, not really unrelated whatsoever. This thread is about how Neal Schon, supposedly, has renewed "fire" for Journey since Arnel Pindea has joined the band. And the concession is that Schon is out working hard for his money while Perry is being basically a dick by refusing to work, especially with the band. And, it was also said earlier that Journey is working hard by writing new material and touring. I'm not denying this is happening. My point is, let's not be so quick to put Schon and company on such a pedestal, when we all need to keep in mind of a few facts. First of all, Journey still exists and is still somewhat relevant because of past hits. A good example, Don't Stop Believing. Because of this, Journey is still "working hard" with touring on the classic hits. Even though they are playing a few new tunes, their playlists are still largely classic hits. I don't know if I would call that working hard, but more or less continuing to ride the coat tails of those classic hits that made Journey a house hold name. Certainly many other classic bands are doing this as well, so Journey isn't the only one.

All I'm saying is, I'm seeing a lot of people here who are quick to bash Steve Perry, because it's the "in" thing to do here at MR. And then if someone calls them out about it, they act like they have no idea what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, give Perry the same respect you guys are giving Schon. Steve, Neal, and Jon will always be the heart of Journey's success. Those three guys are the ones who made Journey the huge success they used to be. I believe any one of those guys removed from the band makes the band a lesser band. No disrespect to G.R., (I think he's a great artist,) but Perry, Schon, and Cain altogether gave Journey its ultimate right at the top of the charts in the 80's. Singers who have followed Perry will admit this. I just feel that there are too many MR members here who are trying their best cheapen the history of this band and argue with those who call them out about it, in order to feel justified in following the band today.

[Babyblue]

Not saying anything about Neal he is a jerk.But he is damm good at what he brings to the table.

What? You aren't saying anything about him, then you call him a jerk?

Wanna try again?

OK he is a jerk big time.But that boy can play ....he can blow you away he is that good.

I love trends! Like here, one is, it's so not hip to pay Schon/Cain ANY compliment unless there's this kind of preamble to it as a caveat.

Care to impart your knowledge that leads you to call him a jerk? Or you just putting that label out there?

He thinks his shit dose not stink .Perry is the big bad ass and he never did anything worng.What more do you need???????????????????

[FishinMagician]

I think what young fans need to remember is that while Journey is still out touring and yes, making new albums, they are still making the bulk of their money off of their past success from the dirty dozen of the late 70's and 80's. Which means, yes, they're still "working hard" to make that money off of past hits with someone else bringing the "legacy" (Perry) sound.

So while some of you guys can bag on Perry and ask "What has he done for me lately" may I remind you that because of Perry's voice, Neal and Jon went out to find guys like Steve Augeri and Arnel Pindea to carry on the legacy. If that was not the case, Neal and Jon would have just gotten any other house hold name of a singer regardless of pitch, tone, or whatever. Heck, they probably wouldn've have ever screwed over Jeff Scott Soto.

So, instead of trying to pretend that Perry was never an important aspect of the band, (which would be retarded to think such,) I think people need to respect all members, past and present who has helped to make this band great.

BRAVO,BRAVO

not to be a dick, but... UNRELATED UNRELATED

No, not really unrelated whatsoever. This thread is about how Neal Schon, supposedly, has renewed "fire" for Journey since Arnel Pindea has joined the band. And the concession is that Schon is out working hard for his money while Perry is being basically a dick by refusing to work, especially with the band. And, it was also said earlier that Journey is working hard by writing new material and touring. I'm not denying this is happening. My point is, let's not be so quick to put Schon and company on such a pedestal, when we all need to keep in mind of a few facts. First of all, Journey still exists and is still somewhat relevant because of past hits. A good example, Don't Stop Believing. Because of this, Journey is still "working hard" with touring on the classic hits. Even though they are playing a few new tunes, their playlists are still largely classic hits. I don't know if I would call that working hard, but more or less continuing to ride the coat tails of those classic hits that made Journey a house hold name. Certainly many other classic bands are doing this as well, so Journey isn't the only one.

All I'm saying is, I'm seeing a lot of people here who are quick to bash Steve Perry, because it's the "in" thing to do here at MR. And then if someone calls them out about it, they act like they have no idea what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, give Perry the same respect you guys are giving Schon. Steve, Neal, and Jon will always be the heart of Journey's success. Those three guys are the ones who made Journey the huge success they used to be. I believe any one of those guys removed from the band makes the band a lesser band. No disrespect to G.R., (I think he's a great artist,) but Perry, Schon, and Cain altogether gave Journey its ultimate right at the top of the charts in the 80's. Singers who have followed Perry will admit this. I just feel that there are too many MR members here who are trying their best cheapen the history of this band and argue with those who call them out about it, in order to feel justified in following the band today.

exactly, Neal Schon, not Steve Perry. IDK I just was hoping this thread would be about Neal and all his cool stuff he "brings to the table".

[Saint John]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Neal played every single Journey show and never "called in sick"? That is pretty amazing. Now maybe we'll come to learn that they've been propping him up there like "Bernie" from Weekend At Bernie's, but until then this remains quite a feat. It's right up there with the insanely demanding tour shedule Perry's voice endured for a lot of years.

[Ehwmatt]

This might be the thread I start in on once I get hammered tomorrow night Dan. Keep your eyes peeled.

[Saint John]

This might be the thread I start in on once I get hammered tomorrow night Dan. Keep your eyes peeled.

Will do. Come in blazin'.

[Since 78]

You know, I'm as big a loon as most anyone here, I love Steve. But, I get sick of hearing how Journey IS Steve Perry. The thing that drew me to this band in the first place was Neal. The intros to Lights, Winds of March etc... The solos on Who's crying now, Anytime. There is no Journey without Neal. The magic of this band was the blending of Steve's voice and Neal's guitar. Neither of them can recapture that without the other.

[Ehwmatt]

You know, I'm as big a loon as most anyone here, I love Steve. But, I get sick of hearing how Journey IS Steve Perry. The thing that drew me to this band in the first place was Neal. The intros to Lights, Winds of March etc... The solos on Who's crying now, Anytime. There is no Journey without Neal. The magic of this band was the blending of Steve's voice and Neal's guitar. Neither of them can recapture that without the other.

Cheers to that

[Deacon]

You know, I'm as big a loon as most anyone here, I love Steve. But, I get sick of hearing how Journey IS Steve Perry. The thing that drew me to this band in the first place was Neal. The intros to Lights, Winds of March etc... The solos on Who's crying now, Anytime. There is no Journey without Neal. The magic of this band was the blending of Steve's voice and Neal's guitar. Neither of them can recapture that without the other.

I completely agree.

[Rhiannon]

You know, I'm as big a loon as most anyone here, I love Steve. But, I get sick of hearing how Journey IS Steve Perry. The thing that drew me to this band in the first place was Neal. The intros to Lights, Winds of March etc... The solos on Who's crying now, Anytime. There is no Journey without Neal. The magic of this band was the blending of Steve's voice and Neal's guitar. Neither of them can recapture that without the other.

Couldn't have said it better. +1.

[Saint John]

The magic of this band was the blending of Steve's voice and Neal's guitar. Neither of them can recapture that without the other.

I'd add the song writing and change of direction that Jon Cain brought to the band. In simplest terms, Journey=Schon, Perry and Cain. Cain also has a very signature sound on songs like Separate Ways, Open Arms, Faithfully, Who's Crying Now, Don't Stop Believin', and a few others. He opened the songs, Perry gave them melody and voice, and Schon made them electric.

[Michigan Girl]

The magic of this band was the blending of Steve's voice and Neal's guitar. Neither of them can recapture that without the other.

Cain also has a very signature sound on songs like Separate Ways, Open Arms, Faithfully, Who's Crying Now, Don't Stop Believin', and a few others. He opened the songs, Perry gave them melody and voice, and Schon made them electric.

Beautifully stated, BOTH of you!!!

[Glenn]

You know, I'm as big a loon as most anyone here, I love Steve. But, I get sick of hearing how Journey IS Steve Perry. The thing that drew me to this band in the first place was Neal. The intros to Lights, Winds of March etc... The solos on Who's crying now, Anytime. There is no Journey without Neal. The magic of this band was the blending of Steve's voice and Neal's guitar. Neither of them can recapture that without the other.

Thank you for this ...

+1


Do you know what one of the worst things about Steve Perry is? Steve Perry fans that are so cult like in following him it makes me sick.

I don't need to be freakin' reminded EVERYDAY just how important Steve Perry was and what he meant to the band...I already know, I own all of his Journey cd's and listen to them quite often.


As soon as anyone mentions something good about Journey with Augeri, JSS, and Arnel, some Perry fool rushes in to "defend his honor".

Now, a Neal thread about his greatness comes along, and it happens again.


Well said!

[Since 78]

The magic of this band was the blending of Steve's voice and Neal's guitar. Neither of them can recapture that without the other.

I'd add the song writing and change of direction that Jon Cain brought to the band. In simplest terms, Journey=Schon, Perry and Cain. Cain also has a very signature sound on songs like Separate Ways, Open Arms, Faithfully, Who's Crying Now, Don't Stop Believin', and a few others. He opened the songs, Perry gave them melody and voice, and Schon made them electric.

Good point SJ, although I prefer the pre-Cain era, in both cases it was a collective effort.

[Red13JoePa]

I can agree, as unloon as I am the Schon/perry/Cain triumvirate (and even THEN at different points permutations of the 3 like with Schon/perry[Rolie?], or perry [L,T,S] alone or perry/Cain or even Cain alone [Faithfully]) PRE TBF (though the perry/Scon intro and classic [NIG will understand] Schon/Cain outro of ICSIYE was terrific old school Journey combining; how telling that it's relegated to "bonus track" status [damn Japs] years after it's been bootlegged left and right in inferior quality) was unreal...TBF they were all "there" but not there and it was by numbers despite the 3 of them absolutely standing out on Trial By Fire but sepatately in different places....the tension returned w/ Remember Me absent perry.

[PianoMan1986]

That's your opinion. Who's to say if he DESERVES it. It's just opinion. But Neal must have thought he deserved it. He had to sign the agreement.

Deserve or not is opinion. The fact is, he's getting paid. Wonder if Neal got paid when SMFP played Journey songs on the FTLOSM tour? Hmm......

You've all but sealed something I've long maintained. Perry can't let go of the past. Whether it was Journey trying to move on without him when he wouldn't tour anymore or him asking them to change the name, it's all about him grasping at whatever straw he can to live vicariously through their touring or trying to "one up" them by getting an equal share, and winning some small battle in his troubled mind. Funny how he didn't care if Journey changed their name when he joined and they ousted Fleischmann. And you need to take a look at TNC's signature. I believe it says "The very name Journey implies change and have to go with that." Steve Perry said that. That makes him the model of hypocrisy.

The fact that he got paid an equal share leads me to believe that they had to buy out his share of the corporation and he wasn't willing to do so without being an asshole or that he had wrestled majority control from Neal. At any rate, it shows a guy grasping to the past who is afraid of letting go of something for fear of being forgotten. He seems to have massive confidence issues and this is a glaring example of him taking extreme measures to ensure that he's not forgotten. No wonder people call his fans "loons." He's the very definition of that term.

Unbelievable - you have absolutely no knowledge of the business contracts or agreements between Steve Perry and the other members of Journey, but that doesn't stop you from making ignorant, vitriolic comments. Have you not considered that when a partner in a company wishes to end that partnership, the other partners buy out his share of the company? In this case it is unlikely that the other members would have had the money or assets to buy SP's share outright given what is known and published regarding their relative financial situations, so there is also the possibility that the equal share of touring money has to do with the buyout.

No, it doesn't seem fair that Journey is touring and SP makes money, but we have no knowledge of why this was part of the agreement and for how long this is in effect, so there is nothing upon which to base a judgment regarding whether it is fair. Not that it would stop you. Your speculations are ridiculous and no longer funny. You may want to consider that if SP ever rejoined Journey, you won't see them, because he'll probably have your picture posted at every security point . If the terms were unreasonable, I would like to know and would be the first to say so, but without knowing the details, there is no basis to render an informed opinion.

The only insider information I am aware of regarding the ownership of Journey was from Jeremey and he learned it from those who watched it go down. Herbie tried to take full ownership of the band around 1983-84 and the only person who fought him and kept ownership for the band members was Steve Perry. He stated emphatically that if it weren't for Perry, the band (including Neal) would not own Journey and they would be out there working for Herbie.

Since this started as an appreciation thread for Neal, it would be nice if we could focus on praising the guy's talent and music and for once just leave SP out of it.

Unless you can post absolute links to your claims, I can't believe all of it. I find it hard to believe, for one, that the innerworkings of the Journey pay program would be available anywhere for public consumption. There has been so much shit spewed about over the years, who knows what the hell happened, for sure? But, maybe this is why Neal Schon is still working....spousal support, ya know. Hell, I hope, if this is the case, his newest girlfriend knows what she got into......she might just be supporting him before long.

If you mean the financial situations of the band members, Herbie Herbert is on record as stating that Jonathan Cain barely escaped bankruptcy and Ross Valory did have to file for bankruptcy after making investments based on a 1985 tour that did not happen and JC's divorce from his then wife Tane. He also commented on the impact of Neal's divorces and the sale of the band's assets. Read Matt Carty's 'Castles Burning' interview: http://members.cox.net/mrcarty/index.html The statement is made in Part 4 - I don't make things up and I base my opinions on reliable sources. In this case, I would say their former manager knows what he is talking about and I have no reason to believe this particular information is untrue.

Jeremey's post is on this site and was commented on by more than a few discussing Herbie. My only "claim" is that we have no information regarding the settlement upon which to form a reasonable opinion as to whether it was fair. Based on Neal's feature interview in 'Guitar Player' magazine, I think he is still working because he loves it - he loves to tour and loves to play! I hope I get to see him on a solo tour someday too, because I love his music.

Totally off-topic, but I'm lost...how many of these "Castles Burning" - Herbie Herbert interviews are there. The only one that I've read is the interview that was posted on here (roughly) within the past year (give or take).

[annie89509]

I've been pimping this one for a few days now Young J...I watch it about 5 times a day...hit the "HQ" icon...about as good as it gets...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWLYD5t0C3s

Okay, just seen all the video's from Hawaii ... are you Chasethedragon, Maui Tom? Not easy for a perryloon to say this, but Arnel kicked ass ... on all the songs ... even Separate Ways, which I always considered the ennuciation on certain words were wrong. This time, he was 100% right on. In fact. all the songs were sung great. Just goes to show AP worked hard to improve on the accent aspect. Kudos to him. He really wants to please.

The whole band played with a lot of energy. Let's see how long this lasts, huh?

[annie89509]

You know, I'm as big a loon as most anyone here, I love Steve. But, I get sick of hearing how Journey IS Steve Perry. The thing that drew me to this band in the first place was Neal. The intros to Lights, Winds of March etc... The solos on Who's crying now, Anytime. There is no Journey without Neal. The magic of this band was the blending of Steve's voice and Neal's guitar. Neither of them can recapture that without the other.

You know, to some loons, Journey IS Steve Perry. And, to some Neal fans, Journey IS Neal. To each its own.

What I'M sick of is those MR's (and it's always the same cast of characters) that insist on using opinion and speculation (disguised as "facts") to diss and denigrate an integral member of the band's legacy--the legacy the band is playing off of to this day in order to stay relevant. You guys have your wish ... the band is out there kicking ass ... go to all the concerts you want ... can't you be happy without getting the digs in?

And I'm not pointing a finger at S78, just using his post to make my point.

[fredinator]

I got a goosebump over "Majestic"--God bless your curly head, Neal Schon!! You too YoungJrnyFan--I love this thread. You too Arnel and Lori. When I first started to really listen to Journey, I thought who is that guy playing the heck out of the guitar? An instant and forever fan. Seems actually more real, like a regular guy to me than SP. Neal takes a lot of chances; if he blows it, ooops, sorry, oh, well, just keep going and try to do it better. I love that kind of spirit. His life is in that guitar, you can hear it.

Maui Tom, that clip is awesome, that must have been quite a show! Dan, is there going to be a show in Las Vegas in May? I looked at the website but didn't see anything about it...

[Jana]

You know, I'm as big a loon as most anyone here, I love Steve. But, I get sick of hearing how Journey IS Steve Perry. The thing that drew me to this band in the first place was Neal. The intros to Lights, Winds of March etc... The solos on Who's crying now, Anytime. There is no Journey without Neal. The magic of this band was the blending of Steve's voice and Neal's guitar. Neither of them can recapture that without the other.

You know, to some loons, Journey IS Steve Perry. And, to some Neal fans, Journey IS Neal. To each its own.

What I'M sick of is those MR's (and it's always the same cast of characters) that insist on using opinion and speculation (disguised as "facts") to diss and denigrate an integral member of the band's legacy--the legacy the band is playing off of to this day in order to stay relevant. You guys have your wish ... the band is out there kicking ass ... go to all the concerts you want ... can't you be happy without getting the digs in?

And I'm not pointing a finger at S78, just using his post to make my point.

I get your point, Annie, but it goes both ways. What about the cast of characters that completely diss Neal Schon all the time when arguing Steve was Journey or minimizing Neal's contribution to the legacy of the band? I see it all the time. Some on here minimize the songwriting contribution that Jon Cain brought to this band and their success. They're all bashed, not just Steve on here. Or how about when a thread was started to talk about a fantastic show in Manila with Arnel in it and some came in the thread saying how we've forgotten Steve and stirring up comments. Why was that necessary? All of us on there listen to classic Journey with Steve all the time, but it wasn't enough for some that we didn't mention Steve while raving over the concert. See, it goes on and on. The amount of disrespect Jonathan Cain gets on here is pretty huge. No one seems to care about that.

I've repeatedly said the magic of Journey and those songs was Steve Perry, Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain, an amazing combination of talent, with Gregg Rolie in the early days. Without that combination in some form or the other you get a Steve Perry solo album. Not the same, not even close. With Steve's absolutely amazing golden vocals and Neal's blazing guitar and Jonathan Cain's tremendous contribution to songwriting with Steve and Neal and also Gregg Rolie's contribution they brought us stellar music album after album. The majority on here feel that way. I'm glad to see after five million threads for Steve Perry and Neal Schon rarely gets recognition on here with threads that a few have been started up.