NealMOTHERFUCKINGSchon

[skinsguy]

exactly, Neal Schon, not Steve Perry. IDK I just was hoping this thread would be about Neal and all his cool stuff he "brings to the table".

No MR thread ever can give tribute to one band member without feeling the need to put down another band member.

[skinsguy]

You know, I'm as big a loon as most anyone here, I love Steve. But, I get sick of hearing how Journey IS Steve Perry. The thing that drew me to this band in the first place was Neal. The intros to Lights, Winds of March etc... The solos on Who's crying now, Anytime. There is no Journey without Neal. The magic of this band was the blending of Steve's voice and Neal's guitar. Neither of them can recapture that without the other.

Steve Perry was a huge part in this band, and continues to be even though he is no longer with the band. But as I have said before, Journey will always be the nucleus of Schon, Perry, and Cain. That combination there is the reason why Journey exists today. The band without any one of those three guys is a lesser band than with those three guys.

[annpea]

Gee, who would have thought this thread would have degenerated into another Perry vs Schon/Cain debate. Totally unpredictable

When in doubt, blame it on madsplash

Madsplash is not that bad.He may very well be right.As for Perry & the rest we were not around when they were breaking up the band.So we only know what they want us to know.JMO!

I, agree and that's why there should be no stones thrown at anyone of them; because, we truly don't know what really happened between them.

[annpea]

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quote="Since 78"]You know, I'm as big a loon as most anyone here, I love Steve. But, I get sick of hearing how Journey IS Steve Perry. The thing that drew me to this band in the first place was Neal. The intros to Lights, Winds of March etc... The solos on Who's crying now, Anytime. There is no Journey without Neal. The magic of this band was the blending of Steve's voice and Neal's guitar. Neither of them can recapture that without the other.

[/quote] That's what makes the gravy so good; the blending of the two one without the other leaves the sauce a little flat.

[FishinMagician]

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quote="Since 78"]You know, I'm as big a loon as most anyone here, I love Steve. But, I get sick of hearing how Journey IS Steve Perry. The thing that drew me to this band in the first place was Neal. The intros to Lights, Winds of March etc... The solos on Who's crying now, Anytime. There is no Journey without Neal. The magic of this band was the blending of Steve's voice and Neal's guitar. Neither of them can recapture that without the other.

That's what makes the gravy so good; the blending of the two one without the other leaves the sauce a little flat.[/quote]

hungry? i am

[annpea]

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quote="Since 78"]You know, I'm as big a loon as most anyone here, I love Steve. But, I get sick of hearing how Journey IS Steve Perry. The thing that drew me to this band in the first place was Neal. The intros to Lights, Winds of March etc... The solos on Who's crying now, Anytime. There is no Journey without Neal. The magic of this band was the blending of Steve's voice and Neal's guitar. Neither of them can recapture that without the other.

That's what makes the gravy so good; the blending of the two one without the other leaves the sauce a little flat.

hungry? i am

[/quote] yes, indeed; a little Schon/Perry gravy on the Journey plate would hit me just right, but I'll take some Schon/Arnel gravy too if that's the special of the day.

[annie89509]

You know, I'm as big a loon as most anyone here, I love Steve. But, I get sick of hearing how Journey IS Steve Perry. The thing that drew me to this band in the first place was Neal. The intros to Lights, Winds of March etc... The solos on Who's crying now, Anytime. There is no Journey without Neal. The magic of this band was the blending of Steve's voice and Neal's guitar. Neither of them can recapture that without the other.

You know, to some loons, Journey IS Steve Perry. And, to some Neal fans, Journey IS Neal. To each its own.

What I'M sick of is those MR's (and it's always the same cast of characters) that insist on using opinion and speculation (disguised as "facts") to diss and denigrate an integral member of the band's legacy--the legacy the band is playing off of to this day in order to stay relevant. You guys have your wish ... the band is out there kicking ass ... go to all the concerts you want ... can't you be happy without getting the digs in?

And I'm not pointing a finger at S78, just using his post to make my point.

I get your point, Annie, but it goes both ways. What about the cast of characters that completely diss Neal Schon all the time when arguing Steve was Journey or minimizing Neal's contribution to the legacy of the band? I see it all the time. Some on here minimize the songwriting contribution that Jon Cain brought to this band and their success. They're all bashed, not just Steve on here. Or how about when a thread was started to talk about a fantastic show in Manila with Arnel in it and some came in the thread saying how we've forgotten Steve and stirring up comments. Why was that necessary? All of us on there listen to classic Journey with Steve all the time, but it wasn't enough for some that we didn't mention Steve while raving over the concert. See, it goes on and on. The amount of disrespect Jonathan Cain gets on here is pretty huge. No one seems to care about that.

I've repeatedly said the magic of Journey and those songs was Steve Perry, Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain, an amazing combination of talent, with Gregg Rolie in the early days. Without that combination in some form or the other you get a Steve Perry solo album. Not the same, not even close. With Steve's absolutely amazing golden vocals and Neal's blazing guitar and Jonathan Cain's tremendous contribution to songwriting with Steve and Neal and also Gregg Rolie's contribution they brought us stellar music album after album. The majority on here feel that way. I'm glad to see after five million threads for Steve Perry and Neal Schon rarely gets recognition on here with threads that a few have been started up.

Jana …for the most part, your posts are pretty much even-handed … mine, as well. Where you and I differ, I think, is how we interpret the magnitude of statements tossed around this forum. True, SP is discussed quite often …good and bad. I don’t have a problem with opinion …or whether a poster likes or dislikes Steve …or thinks he is a saint or asshole … is none of my business. What is annoying is the constant reference to past events used as “facts” to lay claim (justification) for character assassination. No doubt SP was a hard person to deal with; heck, he admitted it many times. But, as far as I know, no one here is(was) privy to the inner workings of the Journey corporation or a personal confidante of Mr. Perry to “know” what happened or why he made the decisions that he did.

As to constant bashing and/or dismissal of Neal …or Jon … yes, after Tapegate and JSS firing, but I don’t see it as common occurrences, if at all …really. Yes, sometimes crude jokes/remarks get bantered about by some witty posters. But this is MR…we have to have a sense of humor to be here in the first place. Neal and his alimony/ex-wives…Jon the wimpy songwriter…SP and his nose …it’s pretty much even-stephen on the ridiculing category. What’s the old saying …if I didn’t care, I wouldn’t bother joking with you? I think that’s how we all feel about Journey.

And...all of us have our individual favorite, but I always considered what they produced a group effort, too. Those songs would never have been so special without Neal's guitar playing in the mix. Or Jon's keyboard riffs.

[Red13JoePa]

Neal and his alimony/ex-wives…Jon the wimpy songwriter…SP and his nose …it’s pretty much even-stephen on the ridiculing category.

You gotta be kidding.

[annie89509]

Neal and his alimony/ex-wives…Jon the wimpy songwriter…SP and his nose …it’s pretty much even-stephen on the ridiculing category.

You gotta be kidding.

What's up, JoePa? I think that was a pretty accurate statement. I've been reading MR since 2005--as long as you've been a member. The first few years, SP was the butt of jokes & ridicule around here (you know that to be true). I, myself, refrained from getting involved with this place until well after tapegate blew over and about the time JSS got hired. The tide changed in favor of SP with tapegate. The attacks against Neal (and Jon) started only after JSS was fired. I am not condoning anything...just calling like I see it.

Do you disagree?

[Red13JoePa]

I agree that all have been targets it's the "even Stephen" part I'm flabbergasted at.
Neal's been far and AWAY the target of the most of it cummulatively over the years followed by Cain and then Perry (admittedly with me in my heyday riding P like a red-haired step child).

[BeautifulJbaby]

Watching video's of this new line-up, and watching the emotion in EVERY SINGLE video of top notch ENERGY just pouring out of each band members souls, I can't help but feel good for Neal Schon every time he smiles and realizes he has his band back to 100% and then some.

Back in '05, you could see in Neal's appearance that he didn't have it together, and that Journey was going down with him. I get the sense that wherever Neal goes, Journey goes with him, whether it be in the right, or wrong direction. Several years back, (we all know publicly of Neal's personal problems) it just seemed he wasn't all there and wasn't enjoying anything that the music brought on stage. Comparing his appearance then, to now, speaks on where the band was then, and where they stand today.



'05

'09

Here's my glass raised to Neal Schon for turning it around at the right time and finally having fun and kicking ass out there on the road.

NEALMOTHERFUCKINGSCHON STYLE!!

The permutations on this topic has led me to believe that Journey is one of the most influential bands in the world. I would have wanted to say my piece when I first read this topic (Thank you,YoungJRNY!) but opted to read the comments. I admire Neal for his unfathomable contribution to this band and I also believe that Jonathan Cain has tremendous contribution that made this band for what it is now. Of course I cannot simply discount on SP's contribution-- his indelible trademark on Journey's music without which, Journey would not have succeeded. SP's unique soaring voice is Journey's trademark. Period. But this topic is about Neal and I won't take the accolades away from him. His name deserves to be mentioned everytime and holy be thy name, Neal, for giving Journey a new lease on life.

I can't wait to see you guys again and hopefully you guys play in Vancouver!

[perryswoman]

I don't know about some of the decisions Schon has made but I am grateful there is still a Journey as I grew up with them and still listen to their many cd's and of course love the perry cd's most but I would take me a big old heapin of Schon gravy any day if I could have one if you know what I mean!! LOL

[verslibre]

I think that was a pretty accurate statement. I've been reading MR since 2005--as long as you've been a member. The first few years, SP was the butt of jokes & ridicule around here (you know that to be true). I, myself, refrained from getting involved with this place until well after tapegate blew over and about the time JSS got hired. The tide changed in favor of SP with tapegate. The attacks against Neal (and Jon) started only after JSS was fired. I am not condoning anything...just calling like I see it.

Do you disagree?

Anyone who disagrees is delusional.

[annie89509]

I think that was a pretty accurate statement. I've been reading MR since 2005--as long as you've been a member. The first few years, SP was the butt of jokes & ridicule around here (you know that to be true). I, myself, refrained from getting involved with this place until well after tapegate blew over and about the time JSS got hired. The tide changed in favor of SP with tapegate. The attacks against Neal (and Jon) started only after JSS was fired. I am not condoning anything...just calling like I see it.

Do you disagree?

Anyone who disagrees is delusional.

I think JoePa is referring to the old board wars between the goons & loons. Along with personal attacks against each other, Neal & Steve were used as weapons to beat each other over the head with. Then, when Tapegate hit, it was the goons against the wigglers trying to defend their man. And, after JSS's dismissal, Neal again took the brunt of the attacks (from the more vocal fans). So, in a way , JoePa is right, Neal has been an easy target throughout the years.

Except .. at the J official forum, BackTalk, where even the slightest hint of negativity toward any member of the then current lineup gets squashed, while SP did not enjoy the same benefit of such immunity. Steve (and his devoted fans) were pretty much treated like 2nd-class citizens there. I recall 1 mod inserted a post like this: Any member who posts a favorable comment about Steve Perry must also include a compliment to Steve Augeri on the same post.

I don't know if it was meant as a joke or what, but that assertion really floored me.
Haha, I digress, this is a NealSchon thread, and I just want to come back and say I agree with JoePa about the Neal bashings.

[perryswoman]

I think that was a pretty accurate statement. I've been reading MR since 2005--as long as you've been a member. The first few years, SP was the butt of jokes & ridicule around here (you know that to be true). I, myself, refrained from getting involved with this place until well after tapegate blew over and about the time JSS got hired. The tide changed in favor of SP with tapegate. The attacks against Neal (and Jon) started only after JSS was fired. I am not condoning anything...just calling like I see it.

Do you disagree?

Anyone who disagrees is delusional.

I think JoePa is referring to the old board wars between the goons & loons. Along with personal attacks against each other, Neal & Steve were used as weapons to beat each other over the head with. Then, when Tapegate hit, it was the goons against the wigglers trying to defend their man. And, after JSS's dismissal, Neal again took the brunt of the attacks (from the more vocal fans). So, in a way , JoePa is right, Neal has been an easy target throughout the years.

Except .. at the J official forum, BackTalk, where even the slightest hint of negativity toward any member of the then current lineup gets squashed, while SP did not enjoy the same benefit of such immunity. Steve (and his devoted fans) were pretty much treated like 2nd-class citizens there. I recall 1 mod inserted a post like this: Any member who posts a favorable comment about Steve Perry must also include a compliment to Steve Augeri on the same post.

I don't know if it was meant as a joke or what, but that assertion really floored me.
Haha, I digress, this is a NealSchon thread, and I just want to come back and say I agree with JoePa about the Neal bashings.

That is why I don't post on the journey forum. Can't take the heat boys, get the hell out of the fire and you intentionally let SMFP get bashed and not the current line up? Kiss my ass!

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

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At any rate, it shows a guy grasping to the past who is afraid of letting go of something for fear of being forgotten.

Cmon dude - if he was worried about being forgotten - surely some product would have hit the stands by now???

I think he had good lawyers, but i think he is happy to live the life of a very very wealthy man - and its hard to blame him. But i would like to see him prove himself one more time - and if he did - i think the long forgotten Perry fan in you would probably sit back with a quiet smile and enjoy hearing him.

They all made cynical moves, and most of the time, they were right to do so......