CAN'T YOU STUPID FUCKS STAY ON TOPIC?.

[Don]

Are you people writing a fucking book. We need to put character limits on posts. This is just too much.

[Carla777]

Good grief....something else I mentioned...carrying grudges and what it says of someone. First off..things didn't jibe about you and you jumped into something so I said what I said. Rip later apologized to me for things he said in pm...then I told him to translate my apologies to you. He sent another message and said he did...he said you accepted it. I said it would have been nice if you had apologized for the insulting comments you said towards me...he said I should email you and talk to you about it. Well, IMO, an apology should not have to be solicited and if the person wants to do the right thing then their conscience should be their guide and lead them to do it on their own.....like Rip did...Like I did...but did you?? No, you did not.

You said much more towards me then I did you .. you have been very presumptuous and judgemental of me...you were very insulting....even made a comment or two about me on the board after the fact...something I have not done...and you never apologized. Not only did I apologize in pm, I also apologized on the board. See, when I am wrong I will say so and did....you did not.....and I also let it go and never made a comment to you or about you again.

Even without an apology from you I didn't hold a grudge towards you and let it go...but you obviously do towards me..so maybe you should reflect a little on that and read what I said about holding grudges and what it shows. Also don't accept an apology if you want to stay pissed off at someone...to accept one and then continue bringing up the grudge you're still holding and to do so without any further provocation as an excuse to... that doesn't speak well of you either.

BS take it easy, i don't hold any grudge against you, just don't agree with someone who preaches so much about tolerance and then points her finger at another person, for example, my experience with you. About Rip, he did tell me some of what you said, but all i can say about him is that he is a wonderful person and a peacemaker for sure; i believe that a real apology would have been direct, that would have been authentic.

All I said to you that time was in respond to your prejudices to me, nothing else, i did not attack you, even now,i just give my opinion in some topics or post in a public forum, it is just my point of view, so you keep with your side of the story, but i've got my own.

[Arianddu]

Are you people writing a fucking book. We need to put character limits on posts. This is just too much.

Alright, confession time - "Rabbit" was named my theme song by an ex when I was 25... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOSseI1hao8 I didn't mind too much, because he did say the whole thing was true

[Melissa]

Well if it's ok to get back to the actual topic ...

I loved this too, her voice is beautiful and I loved the reactions of them all when they realized they had completely judged a book by it's cover, especially the little twits at the beginning who rolled their eyes, lol. Just goes to show the true beauty of people everywhere, and it's not perfectly pretty faces or bodies. Good for her for proving so to everyone, and I wish her all the best.

[Don]

Are you people writing a fucking book. We need to put character limits on posts. This is just too much.

Alright, confession time - "Rabbit" was named my theme song by an ex when I was 25... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOSseI1hao8 I didn't mind too much, because he did say the whole thing was true

When I think of you and rabbits, I'm not thinking about post limits.

[StoneCold]

Are you people writing a fucking book. We need to put character limits on posts. This is just too much.

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[Arianddu]

Are you people writing a fucking book. We need to put character limits on posts. This is just too much.

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You've got more rabbit than Sainsburys. Now stop bending my earhole.

[yulog]

Yes, people do things from their ignorance. Like in judging people by their outward appearance...like judging by skin color too....or in judging them by their regional and cultural differences..in things they do which is "foreign" to their own ways. Too many remain ignorant instead of learning tolerance, understanding and acceptance of difference's. They rush to judgement and don't keep an open mind and try to learn more of someone before they condemn them.

Yep, people act badly and say stupid things a lot from their own ignorance....and from their own low self esteem...to me when someone has the need to be cruel, call people names...it shows that they have something lacking in them...some insecurities they try to cover up. They use other people and put them down to try to build themselves up...and then believe they are somehow better then the person they are looking down on. It reflects badly on them...not the person they are putting down.

I still remember when you prejudged me and posted some "comment" about me
anyway this not to bring the past topic alive, but it's just when I read your post I thought that it was funny coming from you; practice what you preach is a good way to start when you talk about tolerance.

About the topic in the forum, all i can say is that this lady have a beautiful voice and his looks seem to fit his personality, i think she is lovely, funny and talented!

Good grief....something else I mentioned...carrying grudges and what it says of someone. First off..things didn't jibe about you and you jumped into something so I said what I said. Rip later apologized to me for things he said in pm...then I told him to translate my apologies to you. He sent another message and said he did...he said you accepted it. I said it would have been nice if you had apologized for the insulting comments you said towards me...he said I should email you and talk to you about it. Well, IMO, an apology should not have to be solicited and if the person wants to do the right thing then their conscience should be their guide and lead them to do it on their own.....like Rip did...Like I did...but did you?? No, you did not.

You said much more towards me then I did you .. you have been very presumptuous and judgemental of me...you were very insulting....even made a comment or two about me on the board after the fact...something I have not done...and you never apologized. Not only did I apologize in pm, I also apologized on the board. See, when I am wrong I will say so and did....you did not.....and I also let it go and never made a comment to you or about you again.

Even without an apology from you I didn't hold a grudge towards you and let it go...but you obviously do towards me..so maybe you should reflect a little on that and read what I said about holding grudges and what it shows. Also don't accept an apology if you want to stay pissed off at someone...to accept one and then continue bringing up the grudge you're still holding and to do so without any further provocation as an excuse to... that doesn't speak well of you either.

I'm sorry Phyllis, I've agreed with you so far in this thread, but this is more than a little hypocritical. Carla made a fair point - you have been criticising others for behaviour you yourself have shown on more than one occasion. I remember that episode, and I remember telling you in a PM that I thought some people were being unfair to you, but that you were being unfair to Carla too. You made some very rude, uninformed pronouncements about Carla and Rip, when you didn't know what the situation was. You didn't apologise to Carla, you sent an apology via a third person in a PM, for a very public criticism. And by doing that, you certainly didn't give Carla any situation in which to apologise for anything she may have said (although as I recall, she didn't say anything that wasn't justified by your public behaviour.)

I don't think Carla has said anything that could be construed as holding a grudge; she has pointed out that you have made the same error you have been harping on about in this thread. I agree with what you have said about judging people by their looks being wrong, but it didn't need to be said half a dozen times, and in such a patronising way.

I don't like how some people treat you, Phyllis, and I have said so, both publically and privately, to several people, and I think you have justifiable reasons to be annoyed with certain people on this board. But you don't help yourself by setting yourself up as the moral judge and Miss Manners of MR, especially when making pronouncements on something you yourself have been guilty of. Carla had every right to call you out on your hypocrisy, and I'm calling you on it again. You are owed many apologies by some people on this board, but you also owe several yourself.

Trust me you don't know the half of it. Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit.........................................ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

[Jana]

Good grief....something else I mentioned...carrying grudges and what it says of someone. First off..things didn't jibe about you and you jumped into something so I said what I said. Rip later apologized to me for things he said in pm...then I told him to translate my apologies to you. He sent another message and said he did...he said you accepted it. I said it would have been nice if you had apologized for the insulting comments you said towards me...he said I should email you and talk to you about it. Well, IMO, an apology should not have to be solicited and if the person wants to do the right thing then their conscience should be their guide and lead them to do it on their own.....like Rip did...Like I did...but did you?? No, you did not.

You said much more towards me then I did you .. you have been very presumptuous and judgemental of me...you were very insulting....even made a comment or two about me on the board after the fact...something I have not done...and you never apologized. Not only did I apologize in pm, I also apologized on the board. See, when I am wrong I will say so and did....you did not.....and I also let it go and never made a comment to you or about you again.

Even without an apology from you I didn't hold a grudge towards you and let it go...but you obviously do towards me..so maybe you should reflect a little on that and read what I said about holding grudges and what it shows. Also don't accept an apology if you want to stay pissed off at someone...to accept one and then continue bringing up the grudge you're still holding and to do so without any further provocation as an excuse to... that doesn't speak well of you either.

BS take it easy, i don't hold any grudge against you, just don't agree with someone who preaches so much about tolerance and then points her finger at another person, for example, my experience with you. About Rip, he did tell me some of what you said, but all i can say about him is that he is a wonderful person and a peacemaker for sure; i believe that a real apology would have been direct, that would have been authentic.

All I said to you that time was in respond to your prejudices to me, nothing else, i did not attack you, even now,i just give my opinion in some topics or post in a public forum, it is just my point of view, so you keep with your side of the story, but i've got my own.

Re-edit. I know nothing. I said nothing. I have no opinion.

[Voyager]

I don't like how some people treat you, Phyllis, and I have said so, both publically and privately, to several people, and I think you have justifiable reasons to be annoyed with certain people on this board. But you don't help yourself by setting yourself up as the moral judge and Miss Manners of MR, especially when making pronouncements on something you yourself have been guilty of. Carla had every right to call you out on your hypocrisy, and I'm calling you on it again. You are owed many apologies by some people on this board, but you also owe several yourself.

The reason people are hard on her is because she scolds people every time they post something silly that she doesn't approve of. I've never ever seen anyone come down on her until she lamblasted them first with some kind of condescending right-wing hellfire and brimstone sermon.

Shame begats shame. If she wants respect, she needs to start giving it. I've never once said a word to her until she scolded me first - and that has happened two or three times now. I think everyone should just ignore her bullshit. She is obviously addicted to drama, and we're feeding into it right now by giving her all of this attention (which she obviously desperately needs). When kids get shamed really bad by a parent, they end up shaming everyone in their life. That must suck really bad. But like all addictions (food, drugs, drama, alcohol, religion, etc.), there is help available. You can stop if you really want to. The first step is admitting there is a problem, and B.S. is apparently not at that stage just yet.

I think she believes she is the self-appointed forum chaplain.

[yulog]

I don't like how some people treat you, Phyllis, and I have said so, both publically and privately, to several people, and I think you have justifiable reasons to be annoyed with certain people on this board. But you don't help yourself by setting yourself up as the moral judge and Miss Manners of MR, especially when making pronouncements on something you yourself have been guilty of. Carla had every right to call you out on your hypocrisy, and I'm calling you on it again. You are owed many apologies by some people on this board, but you also owe several yourself.

The reason people are hard on her is because she scolds people every time they post something silly that she doesn't approve of. I've never ever seen anyone come down on her until she lamblasted them first with some kind of condescending right-wing hellfire and brimstone sermon.

Shame begats shame. If she wants respect, she needs to start giving it. I've never once said a word to her until she scolded me first - and that has happened two or three times now. I think everyone should just ignore her bullshit. She is obviously addicted to drama, and we're feeding into it right now by giving her all of this attention (which she obviously desperately needs). When kids get shamed really bad by a parent, they end up shaming everyone in their life. That must suck really bad. But like all addictions (food, drugs, drama, alcohol, religion, etc.), there is help available. You can stop if you really want to. The first step is admitting there is a problem, and B.S. is apparently not at that stage just yet.

I think she believes she is the self-appointed forum chaplain.

BINGO!!!!

[Blueskies]

Yes, people do things from their ignorance. Like in judging people by their outward appearance...like judging by skin color too....or in judging them by their regional and cultural differences..in things they do which is "foreign" to their own ways. Too many remain ignorant instead of learning tolerance, understanding and acceptance of difference's. They rush to judgement and don't keep an open mind and try to learn more of someone before they condemn them.

Yep, people act badly and say stupid things a lot from their own ignorance....and from their own low self esteem...to me when someone has the need to be cruel, call people names...it shows that they have something lacking in them...some insecurities they try to cover up. They use other people and put them down to try to build themselves up...and then believe they are somehow better then the person they are looking down on. It reflects badly on them...not the person they are putting down.

I still remember when you prejudged me and posted some "comment" about me
anyway this not to bring the past topic alive, but it's just when I read your post I thought that it was funny coming from you; practice what you preach is a good way to start when you talk about tolerance.

About the topic in the forum, all i can say is that this lady have a beautiful voice and his looks seem to fit his personality, i think she is lovely, funny and talented!

Good grief....something else I mentioned...carrying grudges and what it says of someone. First off..things didn't jibe about you and you jumped into something so I said what I said. Rip later apologized to me for things he said in pm...then I told him to translate my apologies to you. He sent another message and said he did...he said you accepted it. I said it would have been nice if you had apologized for the insulting comments you said towards me...he said I should email you and talk to you about it. Well, IMO, an apology should not have to be solicited and if the person wants to do the right thing then their conscience should be their guide and lead them to do it on their own.....like Rip did...Like I did...but did you?? No, you did not.

You said much more towards me then I did you .. you have been very presumptuous and judgemental of me...you were very insulting....even made a comment or two about me on the board after the fact...something I have not done...and you never apologized. Not only did I apologize in pm, I also apologized on the board. See, when I am wrong I will say so and did....you did not.....and I also let it go and never made a comment to you or about you again.

Even without an apology from you I didn't hold a grudge towards you and let it go...but you obviously do towards me..so maybe you should reflect a little on that and read what I said about holding grudges and what it shows. Also don't accept an apology if you want to stay pissed off at someone...to accept one and then continue bringing up the grudge you're still holding and to do so without any further provocation as an excuse to... that doesn't speak well of you either.

I'm sorry Phyllis, I've agreed with you so far in this thread, but this is more than a little hypocritical. Carla made a fair point - you have been criticising others for behaviour you yourself have shown on more than one occasion. I remember that episode, and I remember telling you in a PM that I thought some people were being unfair to you, but that you were being unfair to Carla too. You made some very rude, uninformed pronouncements about Carla and Rip, when you didn't know what the situation was. You didn't apologise to Carla, you sent an apology via a third person in a PM, for a very public criticism. And by doing that, you certainly didn't give Carla any situation in which to apologise for anything she may have said (although as I recall, she didn't say anything that wasn't justified by your public behaviour.)

I don't think Carla has said anything that could be construed as holding a grudge; she has pointed out that you have made the same error you have been harping on about in this thread. I agree with what you have said about judging people by their looks being wrong, but it didn't need to be said half a dozen times, and in such a patronising way.

I don't like how some people treat you, Phyllis, and I have said so, both publically and privately, to several people, and I think you have justifiable reasons to be annoyed with certain people on this board. But you don't help yourself by setting yourself up as the moral judge and Miss Manners of MR, especially when making pronouncements on something you yourself have been guilty of. Carla had every right to call you out on your hypocrisy, and I'm calling you on it again. You are owed many apologies by some people on this board, but you also owe several yourself.

1.) Why are you interjecting yourself into this? And why are you trying to appear like you were involved in the situation?
Your crazy. I did not have a discussion with you about Carla in pm.

2.) As I said..I also apologized to her publically that very night on the board. If the thread still exists then look it up. I also asked Rip to translate an apology for me when we talked in pm..he is her friend and he speaks spanish and I don't. I have no idea how she translates the board or how she converts things to english so I wanted him to tell her in Spanish so the apology was clearly understood. You have no idea what I have said or not in private so it's highly presumptous for you to make out like you do. You should have asked Rip before you started throwing out allegations against someone. I have only briefly talked to you before when you pm'ed me because you were upset and didn't want anyone to mention you during the whole Nat/ Gator episode due to the triangle thing with them you had going on.

3.) Carla was insulting. One example is she said, and I quote: " you have an ugly soul". Now if that isn't an insult by your standards it certainly is by mine.
She made comments in regards to me a couple times after the fact on the board as well which I didn't respond to....and then jumping in this thread and interjecting a comment that had nothing to do with the thread topic but instead took an opportunity to get in a dig. That is holding a grudge in my opinion as well. There are a number of people that have carried grudges on this board...many over time against one or another. Everyone knows this. People get pissed, have a fight, keep on fighting, make up and turn around and fight again...and some hold a grudge over something said to them once and never seem to get over it.

4.) I can state my opinion on anything at anytime to anyone on this board the same as anyone else does. You are just joining in with something you've read by saying I "try to be the moral police". Thats perception and perception doesn't make fact. Now about saying I'm condescending too? Did you forget about that one? Same kind of thing thats been leveled at Gideon many times. This board is nothing but opinions and debating them. Trust me on this... you also have a tendancy to write long posts sometimes...and you have been viewed as condescending, arrogant, pretentous, etc. so welcome to the club! At least I don't post pics of body parts. When you posted a picture of your chest for a month....you were also viewed as overly attention seeking and downright weird, by many people. The ribbons in sigs were normal promotion of awareness...that pic was not at all necessary.

5.) I sure as heck haven't noticed you jumping in on my defense on this board, so who are you trying to kid? Quite the opposite in fact..I've noticed you trying to get in good with my group of " followers" instead. I've noticed you've been working on your popularity and a good way to do that is to do what you are now doing by trying to start something with me. What? Isn't the feud you've been having with the group on WTF not been good enough for you? Some people have issue with you for several reasons but I won't bring them up because those are your problems and your fight. I could care less what you have done or do.

6.) I was having a discussion that involved the topic of this thread. If you don't like how I write then thats just too bad...you are being patronizing by trying to tell me how to conduct myself as well. I find it quite laughable that everyone who throws that at me are they themselves being patronizing. You interject your own perceptions on my way of speech in debating a topic...if you or anyone else reads it as patronizing or anything else, so be it. I'll be as patronizing as I want to be....same as y'all are when you criticise others here. Many people's posts can be viewed as condescending, patronizing, whatever...dang...I could post example after example all night long. Get over it...you don't like what I have to say, you can skip it or run your mouth about it like you are now...and I'll chose to read and respond or not. It's a dang message board! Which some of you take far more seriously then you should. Don't like how I write or what I say? Tough! Did I say you or anyone had to agree with me about anything ever on here? Nope. Just like I don't agree with everything you do or say. If you or anyone else has the right to write what they think then so do I. If anyone can't take criticism then they are in the wrong place.

7.) Now to the hypocracy thing. I made it clear that I was talking about attacking and degrading people on their appearance..and the difference in that and taking issue with someone's actions. Actions can and sometimes should be criticized...appearances not..and I made that clear difference. So you are wrong again by calling me a hypocrite. I have never dogged out Carla on appearance.

8.) To your last point: How in the world would you know who I have apologized to or not? Whenever I felt that I owe someone an apology I have given one. If I haven't then that means I didn't feel I owed one. When and if I apologize to someone is for me to decide, not you. Rather condescending yourself to suggest otherwise.

9.) As I said previously, seems that you have been having trouble with enough people lately so why do you want to add to it?. I know why you are. Right after Behshad and SJ said something on the board that you may be me posting under a different name you started subtly taking little jabs to try to prove otherwise because you were also accussed of posting under two names on WTF. You didn't need to start taking jabs at me to prove anything...I have nothing to do with you and the problems you have been encountering with people so leave me out of it. Go interject yourself into someone elses business or go back over and fight with the people you have been on WTF.

10.) I like to write.

[la michelona]

Yes, people do things from their ignorance. Like in judging people by their outward appearance...like judging by skin color too....or in judging them by their regional and cultural differences..in things they do which is "foreign" to their own ways. Too many remain ignorant instead of learning tolerance, understanding and acceptance of difference's. They rush to judgement and don't keep an open mind and try to learn more of someone before they condemn them.

Yep, people act badly and say stupid things a lot from their own ignorance....and from their own low self esteem...to me when someone has the need to be cruel, call people names...it shows that they have something lacking in them...some insecurities they try to cover up. They use other people and put them down to try to build themselves up...and then believe they are somehow better then the person they are looking down on. It reflects badly on them...not the person they are putting down.

I still remember when you prejudged me and posted some "comment" about me
anyway this not to bring the past topic alive, but it's just when I read your post I thought that it was funny coming from you; practice what you preach is a good way to start when you talk about tolerance.

About the topic in the forum, all i can say is that this lady have a beautiful voice and his looks seem to fit his personality, i think she is lovely, funny and talented!

Good grief....something else I mentioned...carrying grudges and what it says of someone. First off..things didn't jibe about you and you jumped into something so I said what I said. Rip later apologized to me for things he said in pm...then I told him to translate my apologies to you. He sent another message and said he did...he said you accepted it. I said it would have been nice if you had apologized for the insulting comments you said towards me...he said I should email you and talk to you about it. Well, IMO, an apology should not have to be solicited and if the person wants to do the right thing then their conscience should be their guide and lead them to do it on their own.....like Rip did...Like I did...but did you?? No, you did not.

You said much more towards me then I did you .. you have been very presumptuous and judgemental of me...you were very insulting....even made a comment or two about me on the board after the fact...something I have not done...and you never apologized. Not only did I apologize in pm, I also apologized on the board. See, when I am wrong I will say so and did....you did not.....and I also let it go and never made a comment to you or about you again.

Even without an apology from you I didn't hold a grudge towards you and let it go...but you obviously do towards me..so maybe you should reflect a little on that and read what I said about holding grudges and what it shows. Also don't accept an apology if you want to stay pissed off at someone...to accept one and then continue bringing up the grudge you're still holding and to do so without any further provocation as an excuse to... that doesn't speak well of you either.

I'm sorry Phyllis, I've agreed with you so far in this thread, but this is more than a little hypocritical. Carla made a fair point - you have been criticising others for behaviour you yourself have shown on more than one occasion. I remember that episode, and I remember telling you in a PM that I thought some people were being unfair to you, but that you were being unfair to Carla too. You made some very rude, uninformed pronouncements about Carla and Rip, when you didn't know what the situation was. You didn't apologise to Carla, you sent an apology via a third person in a PM, for a very public criticism. And by doing that, you certainly didn't give Carla any situation in which to apologise for anything she may have said (although as I recall, she didn't say anything that wasn't justified by your public behaviour.)

I don't think Carla has said anything that could be construed as holding a grudge; she has pointed out that you have made the same error you have been harping on about in this thread. I agree with what you have said about judging people by their looks being wrong, but it didn't need to be said half a dozen times, and in such a patronising way.

I don't like how some people treat you, Phyllis, and I have said so, both publically and privately, to several people, and I think you have justifiable reasons to be annoyed with certain people on this board. But you don't help yourself by setting yourself up as the moral judge and Miss Manners of MR, especially when making pronouncements on something you yourself have been guilty of. Carla had every right to call you out on your hypocrisy, and I'm calling you on it again. You are owed many apologies by some people on this board, but you also owe several yourself.

1.) Why are you interjecting yourself into this? And why are you trying to appear like you were involved in the situation?
Your crazy. I did not have a discussion with you about Carla in pm.

2.) As I said..I also apologized to her publically that very night on the board. If the thread still exists then look it up. I also asked[color=#] Rip to translate an apology for me when we talked in pm..he is her friend and he speaks spanish and I don't. I have no idea how she translates the board or how she converts things to english so I wanted him to tell her in Spanish so the apology was clearly understood. You have no idea what I have said or not in private so it's highly presumptous for you to make out like you do. You should have asked Rip before you started throwing out allegations against someone. I have only briefly talked to you before when you pm'ed me because you were upset and didn't want anyone to mention you during the whole Nat/ Gator episode due to the triangle thing with them you had going on.

3.) Carla was insulting. One example is she said, and I quote: " you have an ugly soul". Now if that isn't an insult by your standards it certainly is by mine.
She made comments in regards to me a couple times after the fact on the board as well which I didn't respond to....and then jumping in this thread and interjecting a comment that had nothing to do with the thread topic but instead took an opportunity to get in a dig. That is holding a grudge in my opinion as well. There are a number of people that have carried grudges on this board...many over time against one or another. Everyone knows this. People get pissed, have a fight, keep on fighting, make up and turn around and fight again...and some hold a grudge over something said to them once and never seem to get over it.

4.) I can state my opinion on anything at anytime to anyone on this board the same as anyone else does. You are just joining in with something you've read by saying I "try to be the moral police". Thats perception and perception doesn't make fact. Now about saying I'm condescending too? Did you forget about that one? Same kind of thing thats been leveled at Gideon many times. This board is nothing but opinions and debating them. Trust me on this... you also have a tendancy to write long posts sometimes...and you have been viewed as condescending, arrogant, pretentous, etc. so welcome to the club! At least I don't post pics of body parts. When you posted a picture of your chest for a month....you were also viewed as overly attention seeking and downright weird, by many people. The ribbons in sigs were normal promotion of awareness...that pic was not at all necessary.

5.) I sure as heck haven't noticed you jumping in on my defense on this board, so who are you trying to kid? Quite the opposite in fact..I've noticed you trying to get in good with my group of " followers" instead. I've noticed you've been working on your popularity and a good way to do that is to do what you are now doing by trying to start something with me. What? Isn't the feud you've been having with the group on WTF not been good enough for you? Some people have issue with you for several reasons but I won't bring them up because those are your problems and your fight. I could care less what you have done or do.

6.) I was having a discussion that involved the topic of this thread. If you don't like how I write then thats just too bad...you are being patronizing by trying to tell me how to conduct myself as well. I find it quite laughable that everyone who throws that at me are they themselves being patronizing. You interject your own perceptions on my way of speech in debating a topic...if you or anyone else reads it as patronizing or anything else, so be it. I'll be as patronizing as I want to be....same as y'all are when you criticise others here. Many people's posts can be viewed as condescending, patronizing, whatever...dang...I could post example after example all night long. Get over it...you don't like what I have to say, you can skip it or run your mouth about it like you are now...and I'll chose to read and respond or not. It's a dang message board! Which some of you take far more seriously then you should. Don't like how I write or what I say? Tough! Did I say you or anyone had to agree with me about anything ever on here? Nope. Just like I don't agree with everything you do or say. If you or anyone else has the right to write what they think then so do I. If anyone can't take criticism then they are in the wrong place.

7.) Now to the hypocracy thing. I made it clear that I was talking about attacking and degrading people on their appearance..and the difference in that and taking issue with someone's actions. Actions can and sometimes should be criticized...appearances not..and I made that clear difference. So you are wrong again by calling me a hypocrite. I have never dogged out Carla on appearance.

8.) To your last point: How in the world would you know who I have apologized to or not? Whenever I felt that I owe someone an apology I have given one. If I haven't then that means I didn't feel I owed one. When and if I apologize to someone is for me to decide, not you. Rather condescending yourself to suggest otherwise.

9.) As I said previously, seems that you have been having trouble with enough people lately so why do you want to add to it?. I know why you are. Right after Behshad and SJ said something on the board that you may be me posting under a different name you started subtly taking little jabs to try to prove otherwise because you were also accussed of posting under two names on WTF. You didn't need to start taking jabs at me to prove anything...I have nothing to do with you and the problems you have been encountering with people so leave me out of it. Go interject yourself into someone elses business or go back over and fight with the people you have been on WTF.

10.) I like to write.

LOL - Rip translate????? hahahahahahahah Rip knows how to say monkey and belly button in Spanish, lololololol roflmfao

[Don]

LOL - Rip translate????? hahahahahahahah Rip knows how to say monkey and belly button in Spanish, lololololol roflmfao

Have you been mixing Toblerone with Corona again?

[la michelona]

LOL - Rip translate????? hahahahahahahah Rip knows how to say monkey and belly button in Spanish, lololololol roflmfao

Have you been mixing Toblerone with Corona again?

hahahaha, not me. You know I like to keep my chocolate pure. However, I'm not too sure about what some other folks may be mixing.

[Blueskies]

Good grief....something else I mentioned...carrying grudges and what it says of someone. First off..things didn't jibe about you and you jumped into something so I said what I said. Rip later apologized to me for things he said in pm...then I told him to translate my apologies to you. He sent another message and said he did...he said you accepted it. I said it would have been nice if you had apologized for the insulting comments you said towards me...he said I should email you and talk to you about it. Well, IMO, an apology should not have to be solicited and if the person wants to do the right thing then their conscience should be their guide and lead them to do it on their own.....like Rip did...Like I did...but did you?? No, you did not.

You said much more towards me then I did you .. you have been very presumptuous and judgemental of me...you were very insulting....even made a comment or two about me on the board after the fact...something I have not done...and you never apologized. Not only did I apologize in pm, I also apologized on the board. See, when I am wrong I will say so and did....you did not.....and I also let it go and never made a comment to you or about you again.

Even without an apology from you I didn't hold a grudge towards you and let it go...but you obviously do towards me..so maybe you should reflect a little on that and read what I said about holding grudges and what it shows. Also don't accept an apology if you want to stay pissed off at someone...to accept one and then continue bringing up the grudge you're still holding and to do so without any further provocation as an excuse to... that doesn't speak well of you either.

BS take it easy, i don't hold any grudge against you, just don't agree with someone who preaches so much about tolerance and then points her finger at another person, for example, my experience with you. About Rip, he did tell me some of what you said, but all i can say about him is that he is a wonderful person and a peacemaker for sure; i believe that a real apology would have been direct, that would have been authentic.

All I said to you that time was in respond to your prejudices to me, nothing else, i did not attack you, even now,i just give my opinion in some topics or post in a public forum, it is just my point of view, so you keep with your side of the story, but i've got my own.

Read what was being discussed again. The discussion was about tolerance of appearances...and I clearly defined between that and criticisms of actions. Rip did not try to make peace between us...he wrote an apology to me for things he said. I then wrote him back and asked him if he would translate my apologies to you...he didn't ask that of me I offered it on my own. Go ahead and ask him if he had to solicit it from me or not. As I just told Ari..due to the language barrier I wanted it to be clear. I also felt that I was due an apology in return for things you said...which you didn't offer. You did say some insulting things. In fact, the worst of what you said was you thought I had an "ugly soul"...well, excuse me... I found that to be a very insulting thing to say to someone.... and that wasn't the only thing you said either. Did you ever make any attempt to apologize for what you said...even back through Rip? NO, you did not. I not only made said an apology on the board publicly that same night, I also asked Rip to translate one for me. Thats far and away more then you did....what did I get in return? Only you making a couple comments about me on the board after the fact...and then bringing up the issue here again when it was not necessary and had nothing to do with the topic of discussion.

[Blueskies]

LOL - Rip translate????? hahahahahahahah Rip knows how to say monkey and belly button in Spanish, lololololol roflmfao

Have you been mixing Toblerone with Corona again?

hahahaha, not me. You know I like to keep my chocolate pure. However, I'm not too sure about what some other folks may be mixing.

I assumed he knew how to speak spanish..and when I asked him to translate for me he never said he didn't...he just said he would give her the message.

[la michelona]

Good grief....something else I mentioned...carrying grudges and what it says of someone. First off..things didn't jibe about you and you jumped into something so I said what I said. Rip later apologized to me for things he said in pm...then I told him to translate my apologies to you. He sent another message and said he did...he said you accepted it. I said it would have been nice if you had apologized for the insulting comments you said towards me...he said I should email you and talk to you about it. Well, IMO, an apology should not have to be solicited and if the person wants to do the right thing then their conscience should be their guide and lead them to do it on their own.....like Rip did...Like I did...but did you?? No, you did not.

You said much more towards me then I did you .. you have been very presumptuous and judgemental of me...you were very insulting....even made a comment or two about me on the board after the fact...something I have not done...and you never apologized. Not only did I apologize in pm, I also apologized on the board. See, when I am wrong I will say so and did....you did not.....and I also let it go and never made a comment to you or about you again.

Even without an apology from you I didn't hold a grudge towards you and let it go...but you obviously do towards me..so maybe you should reflect a little on that and read what I said about holding grudges and what it shows. Also don't accept an apology if you want to stay pissed off at someone...to accept one and then continue bringing up the grudge you're still holding and to do so without any further provocation as an excuse to... that doesn't speak well of you either.

BS take it easy, i don't hold any grudge against you, just don't agree with someone who preaches so much about tolerance and then points her finger at another person, for example, my experience with you. About Rip, he did tell me some of what you said, but all i can say about him is that he is a wonderful person and a peacemaker for sure; i believe that a real apology would have been direct, that would have been authentic.

All I said to you that time was in respond to your prejudices to me, nothing else, i did not attack you, even now,i just give my opinion in some topics or post in a public forum, it is just my point of view, so you keep with your side of the story, but i've got my own.

Read what was being discussed again. The discussion was about tolerance of appearances...and I clearly defined between that and criticisms of actions. Rip did not try to make peace between us...he wrote an apology to me for things he said. I then wrote him back and asked him if he would translate my apologies to you...he didn't ask that of me I offered it on my own. Go ahead and ask him if he had to solicit it from me or not. As I just told Ari..due to the language barrier I wanted it to be clear. I also felt that I was due an apology in return for things you said...which you didn't offer. You did say some insulting things. In fact, the worst of what you said was you thought I had an "ugly soul"...well, excuse me... I found that to be a very insulting thing to say to someone.... and that wasn't the only thing you said either. Did you ever make any attempt to apologize for what you said...even back through Rip? NO, you did not. I not only made said an apology on the board publicly that same night, I also asked Rip to translate one for me. Thats far and away more then you did....what did I get in return? Only you making a couple comments about me on the board after the fact...and then bringing up the issue here again when it was not necessary and had nothing to do with the topic of discussion.

still laughing mfao hahahahahahahahahahahahahah.... after that I'm with stevecito - what a f'in migraine to read through this delusional prattle. back to lmao hahahahahaahhahahhahahahahahahahahaha

[Blueskies]

Good grief....something else I mentioned...carrying grudges and what it says of someone. First off..things didn't jibe about you and you jumped into something so I said what I said. Rip later apologized to me for things he said in pm...then I told him to translate my apologies to you. He sent another message and said he did...he said you accepted it. I said it would have been nice if you had apologized for the insulting comments you said towards me...he said I should email you and talk to you about it. Well, IMO, an apology should not have to be solicited and if the person wants to do the right thing then their conscience should be their guide and lead them to do it on their own.....like Rip did...Like I did...but did you?? No, you did not.

You said much more towards me then I did you .. you have been very presumptuous and judgemental of me...you were very insulting....even made a comment or two about me on the board after the fact...something I have not done...and you never apologized. Not only did I apologize in pm, I also apologized on the board. See, when I am wrong I will say so and did....you did not.....and I also let it go and never made a comment to you or about you again.

Even without an apology from you I didn't hold a grudge towards you and let it go...but you obviously do towards me..so maybe you should reflect a little on that and read what I said about holding grudges and what it shows. Also don't accept an apology if you want to stay pissed off at someone...to accept one and then continue bringing up the grudge you're still holding and to do so without any further provocation as an excuse to... that doesn't speak well of you either.

BS take it easy, i don't hold any grudge against you, just don't agree with someone who preaches so much about tolerance and then points her finger at another person, for example, my experience with you. About Rip, he did tell me some of what you said, but all i can say about him is that he is a wonderful person and a peacemaker for sure; i believe that a real apology would have been direct, that would have been authentic.

All I said to you that time was in respond to your prejudices to me, nothing else, i did not attack you, even now,i just give my opinion in some topics or post in a public forum, it is just my point of view, so you keep with your side of the story, but i've got my own.

Phyllis, to make an apology through a third person is a copout. Her pm is right here on the site. If you can't make an effort to pm her and directly apologize, to me it lacks sincerity. And worse yet, you do it through a third party and then complain to the third party that she doesn't contact the third party and apologize to you.

Phyllis, I love many of your no-holds-barred toe-to-toe posts with the guys. You're fearless and make my day sometimes reading the back and forth. But Carla is a great person, and comes on here and is pleasant all the time and contributes to this site regarding her love of rock n' roll. She didn't deserve your comments and judgment months ago and it was completely uncalled for.

Two things..language barrier and I wanted it to be clear...and because quite frankly I was not too thrilled with her and the things she said at the time and didn't really want to talk to her directly any further..in pm or on the board. She admitted above that she received the apology. I not only apologized thru Rip but I did on the board the same night of the argument as well. Third party or not, thats 2 more then what I received and as I have stated above she did say some insulting things to me. She made judgements as well...a lot more then I did and even continued to make comments a couple times on the board after that and I didn't respond so this argument wouldn't go further back then...I stepped away from it and never said another word to her or about her. Hey..maybe you didn't find anything she said offensive but when something is said to me and about me then it's up to me if I am offended by it or not...not anyone else. Rip apologized for his part..she didn't. That was the point...do I want one now? Heck no...like I said, apology's should not have to be solicited. Some more much ado about nothing...only people wanting to continue an old argument. I have clarified this issue enough.

[Blueskies]

Good grief....something else I mentioned...carrying grudges and what it says of someone. First off..things didn't jibe about you and you jumped into something so I said what I said. Rip later apologized to me for things he said in pm...then I told him to translate my apologies to you. He sent another message and said he did...he said you accepted it. I said it would have been nice if you had apologized for the insulting comments you said towards me...he said I should email you and talk to you about it. Well, IMO, an apology should not have to be solicited and if the person wants to do the right thing then their conscience should be their guide and lead them to do it on their own.....like Rip did...Like I did...but did you?? No, you did not.

You said much more towards me then I did you .. you have been very presumptuous and judgemental of me...you were very insulting....even made a comment or two about me on the board after the fact...something I have not done...and you never apologized. Not only did I apologize in pm, I also apologized on the board. See, when I am wrong I will say so and did....you did not.....and I also let it go and never made a comment to you or about you again.

Even without an apology from you I didn't hold a grudge towards you and let it go...but you obviously do towards me..so maybe you should reflect a little on that and read what I said about holding grudges and what it shows. Also don't accept an apology if you want to stay pissed off at someone...to accept one and then continue bringing up the grudge you're still holding and to do so without any further provocation as an excuse to... that doesn't speak well of you either.

BS take it easy, i don't hold any grudge against you, just don't agree with someone who preaches so much about tolerance and then points her finger at another person, for example, my experience with you. About Rip, he did tell me some of what you said, but all i can say about him is that he is a wonderful person and a peacemaker for sure; i believe that a real apology would have been direct, that would have been authentic.

All I said to you that time was in respond to your prejudices to me, nothing else, i did not attack you, even now,i just give my opinion in some topics or post in a public forum, it is just my point of view, so you keep with your side of the story, but i've got my own.

Read what was being discussed again. The discussion was about tolerance of appearances...and I clearly defined between that and criticisms of actions. Rip did not try to make peace between us...he wrote an apology to me for things he said. I then wrote him back and asked him if he would translate my apologies to you...he didn't ask that of me I offered it on my own. Go ahead and ask him if he had to solicit it from me or not. As I just told Ari..due to the language barrier I wanted it to be clear. I also felt that I was due an apology in return for things you said...which you didn't offer. You did say some insulting things. In fact, the worst of what you said was you thought I had an "ugly soul"...well, excuse me... I found that to be a very insulting thing to say to someone.... and that wasn't the only thing you said either. Did you ever make any attempt to apologize for what you said...even back through Rip? NO, you did not. I not only made said an apology on the board publicly that same night, I also asked Rip to translate one for me. Thats far and away more then you did....what did I get in return? Only you making a couple comments about me on the board after the fact...and then bringing up the issue here again when it was not necessary and had nothing to do with the topic of discussion.

still laughing mfao hahahahahahahahahahahahahah.... after that I'm with stevecito - what a f'in migraine to read through this delusional prattle. back to lmao hahahahahaahhahahhahahahahahahahahaha

Too drunk are ya? Are you involved? Do you know for a fact what was said or not? No... but here you are hurling an insult. Do I care what you think? No. I find it quite funny how quickly people will make a fool of themselves by hurling insults instead of being able to talk rationally with another adult as an adult. Hey, maybe you'll come back in the morning and regret what you've posted like other people have once you've sobered up.

[la michelona]

Good grief....something else I mentioned...carrying grudges and what it says of someone. First off..things didn't jibe about you and you jumped into something so I said what I said. Rip later apologized to me for things he said in pm...then I told him to translate my apologies to you. He sent another message and said he did...he said you accepted it. I said it would have been nice if you had apologized for the insulting comments you said towards me...he said I should email you and talk to you about it. Well, IMO, an apology should not have to be solicited and if the person wants to do the right thing then their conscience should be their guide and lead them to do it on their own.....like Rip did...Like I did...but did you?? No, you did not.

You said much more towards me then I did you .. you have been very presumptuous and judgemental of me...you were very insulting....even made a comment or two about me on the board after the fact...something I have not done...and you never apologized. Not only did I apologize in pm, I also apologized on the board. See, when I am wrong I will say so and did....you did not.....and I also let it go and never made a comment to you or about you again.

Even without an apology from you I didn't hold a grudge towards you and let it go...but you obviously do towards me..so maybe you should reflect a little on that and read what I said about holding grudges and what it shows. Also don't accept an apology if you want to stay pissed off at someone...to accept one and then continue bringing up the grudge you're still holding and to do so without any further provocation as an excuse to... that doesn't speak well of you either.

BS take it easy, i don't hold any grudge against you, just don't agree with someone who preaches so much about tolerance and then points her finger at another person, for example, my experience with you. About Rip, he did tell me some of what you said, but all i can say about him is that he is a wonderful person and a peacemaker for sure; i believe that a real apology would have been direct, that would have been authentic.

All I said to you that time was in respond to your prejudices to me, nothing else, i did not attack you, even now,i just give my opinion in some topics or post in a public forum, it is just my point of view, so you keep with your side of the story, but i've got my own.

Read what was being discussed again. The discussion was about tolerance of appearances...and I clearly defined between that and criticisms of actions. Rip did not try to make peace between us...he wrote an apology to me for things he said. I then wrote him back and asked him if he would translate my apologies to you...he didn't ask that of me I offered it on my own. Go ahead and ask him if he had to solicit it from me or not. As I just told Ari..due to the language barrier I wanted it to be clear. I also felt that I was due an apology in return for things you said...which you didn't offer. You did say some insulting things. In fact, the worst of what you said was you thought I had an "ugly soul"...well, excuse me... I found that to be a very insulting thing to say to someone.... and that wasn't the only thing you said either. Did you ever make any attempt to apologize for what you said...even back through Rip? NO, you did not. I not only made said an apology on the board publicly that same night, I also asked Rip to translate one for me. Thats far and away more then you did....what did I get in return? Only you making a couple comments about me on the board after the fact...and then bringing up the issue here again when it was not necessary and had nothing to do with the topic of discussion.

still laughing mfao hahahahahahahahahahahahahah.... after that I'm with stevecito - what a f'in migraine to read through this delusional prattle. back to lmao hahahahahaahhahahhahahahahahahahahaha

Too drunk are ya? Are you involved? Do you know for a fact what was said or not? No... but here you are hurling an insult. Do I care what you think? No. I find it quite funny how quickly people will make a fool of themselves by hurling insults instead of being able to talk rationally with another adult as an adult. Hey, maybe you'll come back in the morning and regret what you've posted like other people have once you've sobered up.

Once again we rush to judgement without a clue. hahahaha. Par for the course. Since you are never wrong, any problem that you have MUST be due to the deficiencies of others. Anything you need to do, you poor, pathetic soul, to deflect attention from yourself and the holes in your story which are large enough to drive a tour bus through. It's rather unfortunate that your skills aren't up to the challenge, though. As to regret, hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, really? For? Laughing at you making an ass out of yourself yet again? Thanks for the chuckle before bed, lol.

[yulog]

Yes, people do things from their ignorance. Like in judging people by their outward appearance...like judging by skin color too....or in judging them by their regional and cultural differences..in things they do which is "foreign" to their own ways. Too many remain ignorant instead of learning tolerance, understanding and acceptance of difference's. They rush to judgement and don't keep an open mind and try to learn more of someone before they condemn them.

Yep, people act badly and say stupid things a lot from their own ignorance....and from their own low self esteem...to me when someone has the need to be cruel, call people names...it shows that they have something lacking in them...some insecurities they try to cover up. They use other people and put them down to try to build themselves up...and then believe they are somehow better then the person they are looking down on. It reflects badly on them...not the person they are putting down.

I still remember when you prejudged me and posted some "comment" about me
anyway this not to bring the past topic alive, but it's just when I read your post I thought that it was funny coming from you; practice what you preach is a good way to start when you talk about tolerance.

About the topic in the forum, all i can say is that this lady have a beautiful voice and his looks seem to fit his personality, i think she is lovely, funny and talented!

Good grief....something else I mentioned...carrying grudges and what it says of someone. First off..things didn't jibe about you and you jumped into something so I said what I said. Rip later apologized to me for things he said in pm...then I told him to translate my apologies to you. He sent another message and said he did...he said you accepted it. I said it would have been nice if you had apologized for the insulting comments you said towards me...he said I should email you and talk to you about it. Well, IMO, an apology should not have to be solicited and if the person wants to do the right thing then their conscience should be their guide and lead them to do it on their own.....like Rip did...Like I did...but did you?? No, you did not.

You said much more towards me then I did you .. you have been very presumptuous and judgemental of me...you were very insulting....even made a comment or two about me on the board after the fact...something I have not done...and you never apologized. Not only did I apologize in pm, I also apologized on the board. See, when I am wrong I will say so and did....you did not.....and I also let it go and never made a comment to you or about you again.

Even without an apology from you I didn't hold a grudge towards you and let it go...but you obviously do towards me..so maybe you should reflect a little on that and read what I said about holding grudges and what it shows. Also don't accept an apology if you want to stay pissed off at someone...to accept one and then continue bringing up the grudge you're still holding and to do so without any further provocation as an excuse to... that doesn't speak well of you either.

I'm sorry Phyllis, I've agreed with you so far in this thread, but this is more than a little hypocritical. Carla made a fair point - you have been criticising others for behaviour you yourself have shown on more than one occasion. I remember that episode, and I remember telling you in a PM that I thought some people were being unfair to you, but that you were being unfair to Carla too. You made some very rude, uninformed pronouncements about Carla and Rip, when you didn't know what the situation was. You didn't apologise to Carla, you sent an apology via a third person in a PM, for a very public criticism. And by doing that, you certainly didn't give Carla any situation in which to apologise for anything she may have said (although as I recall, she didn't say anything that wasn't justified by your public behaviour.)

I don't think Carla has said anything that could be construed as holding a grudge; she has pointed out that you have made the same error you have been harping on about in this thread. I agree with what you have said about judging people by their looks being wrong, but it didn't need to be said half a dozen times, and in such a patronising way.

I don't like how some people treat you, Phyllis, and I have said so, both publically and privately, to several people, and I think you have justifiable reasons to be annoyed with certain people on this board. But you don't help yourself by setting yourself up as the moral judge and Miss Manners of MR, especially when making pronouncements on something you yourself have been guilty of. Carla had every right to call you out on your hypocrisy, and I'm calling you on it again. You are owed many apologies by some people on this board, but you also owe several yourself.

1.) Why are you interjecting yourself into this? And why are you trying to appear like you were involved in the situation?
Your crazy. I did not have a discussion with you about Carla in pm.

2.) As I said..I also apologized to her publically that very night on the board. If the thread still exists then look it up. I also asked Rip to translate an apology for me when we talked in pm..he is her friend and he speaks spanish and I don't. I have no idea how she translates the board or how she converts things to english so I wanted him to tell her in Spanish so the apology was clearly understood. You have no idea what I have said or not in private so it's highly presumptous for you to make out like you do. You should have asked Rip before you started throwing out allegations against someone. I have only briefly talked to you before when you pm'ed me because you were upset and didn't want anyone to mention you during the whole Nat/ Gator episode due to the triangle thing with them you had going on.

3.) Carla was insulting. One example is she said, and I quote: " you have an ugly soul". Now if that isn't an insult by your standards it certainly is by mine.
She made comments in regards to me a couple times after the fact on the board as well which I didn't respond to....and then jumping in this thread and interjecting a comment that had nothing to do with the thread topic but instead took an opportunity to get in a dig. That is holding a grudge in my opinion as well. There are a number of people that have carried grudges on this board...many over time against one or another. Everyone knows this. People get pissed, have a fight, keep on fighting, make up and turn around and fight again...and some hold a grudge over something said to them once and never seem to get over it.

4.) I can state my opinion on anything at anytime to anyone on this board the same as anyone else does. You are just joining in with something you've read by saying I "try to be the moral police". Thats perception and perception doesn't make fact. Now about saying I'm condescending too? Did you forget about that one? Same kind of thing thats been leveled at Gideon many times. This board is nothing but opinions and debating them. Trust me on this... you also have a tendancy to write long posts sometimes...and you have been viewed as condescending, arrogant, pretentous, etc. so welcome to the club! At least I don't post pics of body parts. When you posted a picture of your chest for a month....you were also viewed as overly attention seeking and downright weird, by many people. The ribbons in sigs were normal promotion of awareness...that pic was not at all necessary.

5.) I sure as heck haven't noticed you jumping in on my defense on this board, so who are you trying to kid? Quite the opposite in fact..I've noticed you trying to get in good with my group of " followers" instead. I've noticed you've been working on your popularity and a good way to do that is to do what you are now doing by trying to start something with me. What? Isn't the feud you've been having with the group on WTF not been good enough for you? Some people have issue with you for several reasons but I won't bring them up because those are your problems and your fight. I could care less what you have done or do.

6.) I was having a discussion that involved the topic of this thread. If you don't like how I write then thats just too bad...you are being patronizing by trying to tell me how to conduct myself as well. I find it quite laughable that everyone who throws that at me are they themselves being patronizing. You interject your own perceptions on my way of speech in debating a topic...if you or anyone else reads it as patronizing or anything else, so be it. I'll be as patronizing as I want to be....same as y'all are when you criticise others here. Many people's posts can be viewed as condescending, patronizing, whatever...dang...I could post example after example all night long. Get over it...you don't like what I have to say, you can skip it or run your mouth about it like you are now...and I'll chose to read and respond or not. It's a dang message board! Which some of you take far more seriously then you should. Don't like how I write or what I say? Tough! Did I say you or anyone had to agree with me about anything ever on here? Nope. Just like I don't agree with everything you do or say. If you or anyone else has the right to write what they think then so do I. If anyone can't take criticism then they are in the wrong place.

7.) Now to the hypocracy thing. I made it clear that I was talking about attacking and degrading people on their appearance..and the difference in that and taking issue with someone's actions. Actions can and sometimes should be criticized...appearances not..and I made that clear difference. So you are wrong again by calling me a hypocrite. I have never dogged out Carla on appearance.

8.) To your last point: How in the world would you know who I have apologized to or not? Whenever I felt that I owe someone an apology I have given one. If I haven't then that means I didn't feel I owed one. When and if I apologize to someone is for me to decide, not you. Rather condescending yourself to suggest otherwise.

9.) As I said previously, seems that you have been having trouble with enough people lately so why do you want to add to it?. I know why you are. Right after Behshad and SJ said something on the board that you may be me posting under a different name you started subtly taking little jabs to try to prove otherwise because you were also accussed of posting under two names on WTF. You didn't need to start taking jabs at me to prove anything...I have nothing to do with you and the problems you have been encountering with people so leave me out of it. Go interject yourself into someone elses business or go back over and fight with the people you have been on WTF.

10.) I like to write.

[Blueskies]

I don't like how some people treat you, Phyllis, and I have said so, both publically and privately, to several people, and I think you have justifiable reasons to be annoyed with certain people on this board. But you don't help yourself by setting yourself up as the moral judge and Miss Manners of MR, especially when making pronouncements on something you yourself have been guilty of. Carla had every right to call you out on your hypocrisy, and I'm calling you on it again. You are owed many apologies by some people on this board, but you also owe several yourself.

The reason people are hard on her is because she scolds people every time they post something silly that she doesn't approve of. I've never ever seen anyone come down on her until she lamblasted them first with some kind of condescending right-wing hellfire and brimstone sermon.

Shame begats shame. If she wants respect, she needs to start giving it. I've never once said a word to her until she scolded me first - and that has happened two or three times now. I think everyone should just ignore her bullshit. She is obviously addicted to drama, and we're feeding into it right now by giving her all of this attention (which she obviously desperately needs). When kids get shamed really bad by a parent, they end up shaming everyone in their life. That must suck really bad. But like all addictions (food, drugs, drama, alcohol, religion, etc.), there is help available. You can stop if you really want to. The first step is admitting there is a problem, and B.S. is apparently not at that stage just yet.

I think she believes she is the self-appointed forum chaplain.

You're full of it. Things have been said and started towards me numerous times totally unprovoked. How do you explain away attack threads that have been started? Did I make them? No. So you know your full of crap by that statement. Even Ari acknowledged it in her post. The truth is you are pissed because I criticised your lame attempt at humor ....well sorry...degrading this woman on her appearance is not funny to me.
Don't think you said a word to me first? Go back in this thread and look who's post you quoted to use to go off of with your lame attempt at humor. You played off of my post so I responded. You're the one being a drama queen about it because you can't take criticism apparently. I think your immature posting of pictures and comments to degrade this woman is lame. I also think when you and other's photoshop peoples heads.. like your AV for another example...I think that's lame as heck too and don't find it amusing....some do but I don't....it's not funny, just stupid and very grade school. Extremely lame...especially for a middle aged man. That's my opinion. Don't like it? Too frickin' bad.

[Arianddu]

I'm sorry Phyllis, I've agreed with you so far in this thread, but this is more than a little hypocritical. Carla made a fair point - you have been criticising others for behaviour you yourself have shown on more than one occasion. I remember that episode, and I remember telling you in a PM that I thought some people were being unfair to you, but that you were being unfair to Carla too. You made some very rude, uninformed pronouncements about Carla and Rip, when you didn't know what the situation was. You didn't apologise to Carla, you sent an apology via a third person in a PM, for a very public criticism. And by doing that, you certainly didn't give Carla any situation in which to apologise for anything she may have said (although as I recall, she didn't say anything that wasn't justified by your public behaviour.)

I don't think Carla has said anything that could be construed as holding a grudge; she has pointed out that you have made the same error you have been harping on about in this thread. I agree with what you have said about judging people by their looks being wrong, but it didn't need to be said half a dozen times, and in such a patronising way.

I don't like how some people treat you, Phyllis, and I have said so, both publically and privately, to several people, and I think you have justifiable reasons to be annoyed with certain people on this board. But you don't help yourself by setting yourself up as the moral judge and Miss Manners of MR, especially when making pronouncements on something you yourself have been guilty of. Carla had every right to call you out on your hypocrisy, and I'm calling you on it again. You are owed many apologies by some people on this board, but you also owe several yourself.

1.) Why are you interjecting yourself into this?

<Snipped to preserve sanity>

10.) I like to write.

I've known many people who can add 2 and 2 and make 5, but you manage to make 15!
But on a few issues:

No, I didn't have a conversation about you and Carla - I sent you one PM giving you support when SteveW2 was giving you a hard time, and mentioned that I thought you were wrong in what you were saying about Carla.

I've never made the mistake of thinking ANYONE thought you and I were the same person - you made that assumption, and sent me a PM to tell me so. I thought it was a jokey insult, because I do make the odd long post. And I treated it as a joke, just like I've been treating the 'big head' comments as a joke. I take very few people's comments or insults seriously, on-line at least.

Of course you are entitled to post your opinion. Everyone is. Part of that is that people also have a right to say you are being hypocritical.

I don't need to make myself popular. There are a few people here I am friends with, a few I am not, and mostly people I don't know anything about beyond what they post on the boards. I talk and joke with my friends, and try (sometimes not successfully) to ignore the people I do not like. I don't have to jump on anyone's bandwagon. If half a dozen people start saying the same thing independently of each other, it's time to start thinking about what's triggering that response.

My issues with Angel/ScarabGator are no one's business but mine and the other people involved. What happens on WTF has nothing to do with this board. I don't have a feud with anyone, I DO thoroughly disapprove of certain games that have been played by certain people. You don't know what they are, because you aren't involved and therefore it is none of your business. I've told people before, if they want to know what is going on, I will tell them by PM, because it's not up for public discussion. I don't air my dirty laundry in public, and I avoid taking my fights to the boards. Sometimes that is not possible.

As for posting as two people, give me a break!

[Blueskies]

Good grief....something else I mentioned...carrying grudges and what it says of someone. First off..things didn't jibe about you and you jumped into something so I said what I said. Rip later apologized to me for things he said in pm...then I told him to translate my apologies to you. He sent another message and said he did...he said you accepted it. I said it would have been nice if you had apologized for the insulting comments you said towards me...he said I should email you and talk to you about it. Well, IMO, an apology should not have to be solicited and if the person wants to do the right thing then their conscience should be their guide and lead them to do it on their own.....like Rip did...Like I did...but did you?? No, you did not.

You said much more towards me then I did you .. you have been very presumptuous and judgemental of me...you were very insulting....even made a comment or two about me on the board after the fact...something I have not done...and you never apologized. Not only did I apologize in pm, I also apologized on the board. See, when I am wrong I will say so and did....you did not.....and I also let it go and never made a comment to you or about you again.

Even without an apology from you I didn't hold a grudge towards you and let it go...but you obviously do towards me..so maybe you should reflect a little on that and read what I said about holding grudges and what it shows. Also don't accept an apology if you want to stay pissed off at someone...to accept one and then continue bringing up the grudge you're still holding and to do so without any further provocation as an excuse to... that doesn't speak well of you either.

BS take it easy, i don't hold any grudge against you, just don't agree with someone who preaches so much about tolerance and then points her finger at another person, for example, my experience with you. About Rip, he did tell me some of what you said, but all i can say about him is that he is a wonderful person and a peacemaker for sure; i believe that a real apology would have been direct, that would have been authentic.

All I said to you that time was in respond to your prejudices to me, nothing else, i did not attack you, even now,i just give my opinion in some topics or post in a public forum, it is just my point of view, so you keep with your side of the story, but i've got my own.

Read what was being discussed again. The discussion was about tolerance of appearances...and I clearly defined between that and criticisms of actions. Rip did not try to make peace between us...he wrote an apology to me for things he said. I then wrote him back and asked him if he would translate my apologies to you...he didn't ask that of me I offered it on my own. Go ahead and ask him if he had to solicit it from me or not. As I just told Ari..due to the language barrier I wanted it to be clear. I also felt that I was due an apology in return for things you said...which you didn't offer. You did say some insulting things. In fact, the worst of what you said was you thought I had an "ugly soul"...well, excuse me... I found that to be a very insulting thing to say to someone.... and that wasn't the only thing you said either. Did you ever make any attempt to apologize for what you said...even back through Rip? NO, you did not. I not only made said an apology on the board publicly that same night, I also asked Rip to translate one for me. Thats far and away more then you did....what did I get in return? Only you making a couple comments about me on the board after the fact...and then bringing up the issue here again when it was not necessary and had nothing to do with the topic of discussion.

still laughing mfao hahahahahahahahahahahahahah.... after that I'm with stevecito - what a f'in migraine to read through this delusional prattle. back to lmao hahahahahaahhahahhahahahahahahahahaha

Too drunk are ya? Are you involved? Do you know for a fact what was said or not? No... but here you are hurling an insult. Do I care what you think? No. I find it quite funny how quickly people will make a fool of themselves by hurling insults instead of being able to talk rationally with another adult as an adult. Hey, maybe you'll come back in the morning and regret what you've posted like other people have once you've sobered up.

Once again we rush to judgement without a clue. hahahaha. Par for the course. Since you are never wrong, any problem that you have MUST be due to the deficiencies of others. Anything you need to do, you poor, pathetic soul, to deflect attention from yourself and the holes in your story which are large enough to drive a tour bus through. It's rather unfortunate that your skills aren't up to the challenge, though. As to regret, hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, really? For? Laughing at you making an ass out of yourself yet again? Thanks for the chuckle before bed, lol.

Just as I thought since your rambling incoherently. Still have the need to embarrass yourself? Fine by me.

[Carla777]

1.) Why are you interjecting yourself into this? And why are you trying to appear like you were involved in the situation?
Your crazy. I did not have a discussion with you about Carla in pm.

2.) As I said..I also apologized to her publically that very night on the board. If the thread still exists then look it up. I also asked Rip to translate an apology for me when we talked in pm..he is her friend and he speaks spanish and I don't. I have no idea how she translates the board or how she converts things to english so I wanted him to tell her in Spanish so the apology was clearly understood. You have no idea what I have said or not in private so it's highly presumptous for you to make out like you do. You should have asked Rip before you started throwing out allegations against someone. I have only briefly talked to you before when you pm'ed me because you were upset and didn't want anyone to mention you during the whole Nat/ Gator episode due to the triangle thing with them you had going on.

3.) Carla was insulting. One example is she said, and I quote: " you have an ugly soul". Now if that isn't an insult by your standards it certainly is by mine.
She made comments in regards to me a couple times after the fact on the board as well which I didn't respond to....and then jumping in this thread and interjecting a comment that had nothing to do with the thread topic but instead took an opportunity to get in a dig. That is holding a grudge in my opinion as well. There are a number of people that have carried grudges on this board...many over time against one or another. Everyone knows this. People get pissed, have a fight, keep on fighting, make up and turn around and fight again...and some hold a grudge over something said to them once and never seem to get over it.

4.) I can state my opinion on anything at anytime to anyone on this board the same as anyone else does. You are just joining in with something you've read by saying I "try to be the moral police". Thats perception and perception doesn't make fact. Now about saying I'm condescending too? Did you forget about that one? Same kind of thing thats been leveled at Gideon many times. This board is nothing but opinions and debating them. Trust me on this... you also have a tendancy to write long posts sometimes...and you have been viewed as condescending, arrogant, pretentous, etc. so welcome to the club! At least I don't post pics of body parts. When you posted a picture of your chest for a month....you were also viewed as overly attention seeking and downright weird, by many people. The ribbons in sigs were normal promotion of awareness...that pic was not at all necessary.

5.) I sure as heck haven't noticed you jumping in on my defense on this board, so who are you trying to kid? Quite the opposite in fact..I've noticed you trying to get in good with my group of " followers" instead. I've noticed you've been working on your popularity and a good way to do that is to do what you are now doing by trying to start something with me. What? Isn't the feud you've been having with the group on WTF not been good enough for you? Some people have issue with you for several reasons but I won't bring them up because those are your problems and your fight. I could care less what you have done or do.

6.) I was having a discussion that involved the topic of this thread. If you don't like how I write then thats just too bad...you are being patronizing by trying to tell me how to conduct myself as well. I find it quite laughable that everyone who throws that at me are they themselves being patronizing. You interject your own perceptions on my way of speech in debating a topic...if you or anyone else reads it as patronizing or anything else, so be it. I'll be as patronizing as I want to be....same as y'all are when you criticise others here. Many people's posts can be viewed as condescending, patronizing, whatever...dang...I could post example after example all night long. Get over it...you don't like what I have to say, you can skip it or run your mouth about it like you are now...and I'll chose to read and respond or not. It's a dang message board! Which some of you take far more seriously then you should. Don't like how I write or what I say? Tough! Did I say you or anyone had to agree with me about anything ever on here? Nope. Just like I don't agree with everything you do or say. If you or anyone else has the right to write what they think then so do I. If anyone can't take criticism then they are in the wrong place.

7.) Now to the hypocracy thing. I made it clear that I was talking about attacking and degrading people on their appearance..and the difference in that and taking issue with someone's actions. Actions can and sometimes should be criticized...appearances not..and I made that clear difference. So you are wrong again by calling me a hypocrite. I have never dogged out Carla on appearance.

8.) To your last point: How in the world would you know who I have apologized to or not? Whenever I felt that I owe someone an apology I have given one. If I haven't then that means I didn't feel I owed one. When and if I apologize to someone is for me to decide, not you. Rather condescending yourself to suggest otherwise.

9.) As I said previously, seems that you have been having trouble with enough people lately so why do you want to add to it?. I know why you are. Right after Behshad and SJ said something on the board that you may be me posting under a different name you started subtly taking little jabs to try to prove otherwise because you were also accussed of posting under two names on WTF. You didn't need to start taking jabs at me to prove anything...I have nothing to do with you and the problems you have been encountering with people so leave me out of it. Go interject yourself into someone elses business or go back over and fight with the people you have been on WTF.

10.) I like to write.

[quote="Blueskies"]



2.) That was an apology? sorry BS but don't look like one; i don't use translators, and rip don't speak or write in spanish, seem like a poor excuse for justify your actions.

3.) Like i said before i only answer to your mean spirit comment about me, and i'm sorry but my post here to you was about the subject "the tolerance", i used my example for say my point to you, because i thought that the person who was preaching about the subject had show herself like a prejudiced person in the past.

4.) oh please u really talk about being tolerant? in my opinion she is the right to have the avatar she want unless the administrator of the site say the contrary, that comment was judgamental like always and lame too.

7.) I have never dogged out Carla on appearance.
I might not understand all you say in your post, specially when they are soo long, but i have a good memory, and i recall very well when in one thread you say that i "should get ride of my avatar if i wanted to be taking seriously here" and describe my picture like it had sexual content in it, i also recall i didn't answer you that time.

8.) You didn't give me an sincere apology, i didn't feel that way, i didn't ask them BS, and i don't give to you one, because i didn't feel like u deseirve one in that ocassion.

[stevew2]

Good grief....something else I mentioned...carrying grudges and what it says of someone. First off..things didn't jibe about you and you jumped into something so I said what I said. Rip later apologized to me for things he said in pm...then I told him to translate my apologies to you. He sent another message and said he did...he said you accepted it. I said it would have been nice if you had apologized for the insulting comments you said towards me...he said I should email you and talk to you about it. Well, IMO, an apology should not have to be solicited and if the person wants to do the right thing then their conscience should be their guide and lead them to do it on their own.....like Rip did...Like I did...but did you?? No, you did not.

You said much more towards me then I did you .. you have been very presumptuous and judgemental of me...you were very insulting....even made a comment or two about me on the board after the fact...something I have not done...and you never apologized. Not only did I apologize in pm, I also apologized on the board. See, when I am wrong I will say so and did....you did not.....and I also let it go and never made a comment to you or about you again.

Even without an apology from you I didn't hold a grudge towards you and let it go...but you obviously do towards me..so maybe you should reflect a little on that and read what I said about holding grudges and what it shows. Also don't accept an apology if you want to stay pissed off at someone...to accept one and then continue bringing up the grudge you're still holding and to do so without any further provocation as an excuse to... that doesn't speak well of you either.

BS take it easy, i don't hold any grudge against you, just don't agree with someone who preaches so much about tolerance and then points her finger at another person, for example, my experience with you. About Rip, he did tell me some of what you said, but all i can say about him is that he is a wonderful person and a peacemaker for sure; i believe that a real apology would have been direct, that would have been authentic.

All I said to you that time was in respond to your prejudices to me, nothing else, i did not attack you, even now,i just give my opinion in some topics or post in a public forum, it is just my point of view, so you keep with your side of the story, but i've got my own.

Read what was being discussed again. The discussion was about tolerance of appearances...and I clearly defined between that and criticisms of actions. Rip did not try to make peace between us...he wrote an apology to me for things he said. I then wrote him back and asked him if he would translate my apologies to you...he didn't ask that of me I offered it on my own. Go ahead and ask him if he had to solicit it from me or not. As I just told Ari..due to the language barrier I wanted it to be clear. I also felt that I was due an apology in return for things you said...which you didn't offer. You did say some insulting things. In fact, the worst of what you said was you thought I had an "ugly soul"...well, excuse me... I found that to be a very insulting thing to say to someone.... and that wasn't the only thing you said either. Did you ever make any attempt to apologize for what you said...even back through Rip? NO, you did not. I not only made said an apology on the board publicly that same night, I also asked Rip to translate one for me. Thats far and away more then you did....what did I get in return? Only you making a couple comments about me on the board after the fact...and then bringing up the issue here again when it was not necessary and had nothing to do with the topic of discussion.

Fuckin shoot me

[stevew2]

On #7 Carla is hot and you are not

[la michelona]

Good grief....something else I mentioned...carrying grudges and what it says of someone. First off..things didn't jibe about you and you jumped into something so I said what I said. Rip later apologized to me for things he said in pm...then I told him to translate my apologies to you. He sent another message and said he did...he said you accepted it. I said it would have been nice if you had apologized for the insulting comments you said towards me...he said I should email you and talk to you about it. Well, IMO, an apology should not have to be solicited and if the person wants to do the right thing then their conscience should be their guide and lead them to do it on their own.....like Rip did...Like I did...but did you?? No, you did not.

You said much more towards me then I did you .. you have been very presumptuous and judgemental of me...you were very insulting....even made a comment or two about me on the board after the fact...something I have not done...and you never apologized. Not only did I apologize in pm, I also apologized on the board. See, when I am wrong I will say so and did....you did not.....and I also let it go and never made a comment to you or about you again.

Even without an apology from you I didn't hold a grudge towards you and let it go...but you obviously do towards me..so maybe you should reflect a little on that and read what I said about holding grudges and what it shows. Also don't accept an apology if you want to stay pissed off at someone...to accept one and then continue bringing up the grudge you're still holding and to do so without any further provocation as an excuse to... that doesn't speak well of you either.

BS take it easy, i don't hold any grudge against you, just don't agree with someone who preaches so much about tolerance and then points her finger at another person, for example, my experience with you. About Rip, he did tell me some of what you said, but all i can say about him is that he is a wonderful person and a peacemaker for sure; i believe that a real apology would have been direct, that would have been authentic.

All I said to you that time was in respond to your prejudices to me, nothing else, i did not attack you, even now,i just give my opinion in some topics or post in a public forum, it is just my point of view, so you keep with your side of the story, but i've got my own.

Read what was being discussed again. The discussion was about tolerance of appearances...and I clearly defined between that and criticisms of actions. Rip did not try to make peace between us...he wrote an apology to me for things he said. I then wrote him back and asked him if he would translate my apologies to you...he didn't ask that of me I offered it on my own. Go ahead and ask him if he had to solicit it from me or not. As I just told Ari..due to the language barrier I wanted it to be clear. I also felt that I was due an apology in return for things you said...which you didn't offer. You did say some insulting things. In fact, the worst of what you said was you thought I had an "ugly soul"...well, excuse me... I found that to be a very insulting thing to say to someone.... and that wasn't the only thing you said either. Did you ever make any attempt to apologize for what you said...even back through Rip? NO, you did not. I not only made said an apology on the board publicly that same night, I also asked Rip to translate one for me. Thats far and away more then you did....what did I get in return? Only you making a couple comments about me on the board after the fact...and then bringing up the issue here again when it was not necessary and had nothing to do with the topic of discussion.

still laughing mfao hahahahahahahahahahahahahah.... after that I'm with stevecito - what a f'in migraine to read through this delusional prattle. back to lmao hahahahahaahhahahhahahahahahahahahaha

Too drunk are ya? Are you involved? Do you know for a fact what was said or not? No... but here you are hurling an insult. Do I care what you think? No. I find it quite funny how quickly people will make a fool of themselves by hurling insults instead of being able to talk rationally with another adult as an adult. Hey, maybe you'll come back in the morning and regret what you've posted like other people have once you've sobered up.

Once again we rush to judgement without a clue. hahahaha. Par for the course. Since you are never wrong, any problem that you have MUST be due to the deficiencies of others. Anything you need to do, you poor, pathetic soul, to deflect attention from yourself and the holes in your story which are large enough to drive a tour bus through. It's rather unfortunate that your skills aren't up to the challenge, though. As to regret, hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, really? For? Laughing at you making an ass out of yourself yet again? Thanks for the chuckle before bed, lol.

Just as I thought since your rambling incoherently. Still have the need to embarrass yourself? Fine by me.

Incoherent, riiiiiiiiight. Exhibit A, your honor, Projection. You've never actually read what you write, have you?

[Carla777]

Read what was being discussed again. The discussion was about tolerance of appearances...and I clearly defined between that and criticisms of actions. Rip did not try to make peace between us...he wrote an apology to me for things he said. I then wrote him back and asked him if he would translate my apologies to you...he didn't ask that of me I offered it on my own. Go ahead and ask him if he had to solicit it from me or not. As I just told Ari..due to the language barrier I wanted it to be clear. I also felt that I was due an apology in return for things you said...which you didn't offer. You did say some insulting things. In fact, the worst of what you said was you thought I had an "ugly soul"...well, excuse me... I found that to be a very insulting thing to say to someone.... and that wasn't the only thing you said either. Did you ever make any attempt to apologize for what you said...even back through Rip? NO, you did not. I not only made said an apology on the board publicly that same night, I also asked Rip to translate one for me. Thats far and away more then you did....what did I get in return? Only you making a couple comments about me on the board after the fact...and then bringing up the issue here again when it was not necessary and had nothing to do with the topic of discussion.

- I never say that rip ask you or offered an apology of either of us
- Again what i told you that time was because of your prejudiced comments to me
- I don't use other person to make an apology, if i didn't offer one was because i don't feel like i own you one after all that happen
- My answer to your post was about tolerance, and i brought the issue here as an example of your lack of tolerance and empty preach, just that.