What I've Heard........

[madsplash]

WAS

Logically, we can conclude he is less than he once was, but there's no way to tell that he's bad now, if that's what you're getting at. I'm critical of the man and his voice, but even his works on Trial By Fire are pretty great; nothing approaching his prime or what Augeri, Soto, or Arnel can dish out now, but still some serious pipes there.

Steve Perry has not sung a live note in almost 15 years and has not recorded an album in over 10.

There is no doubt about what he WAS, but there is serious doubt about what he IS now.

That is what I am getting it.

Until someone surpasses what he "was", he's the man. Nobody has.

That's open to interpretation. Don't let preference cloud objectivity; he is my favorite singer of all time, too, but there are several vocalists who rival him.

Rival, maybe? Surpass? FUCK, NO!

Still open to interpretation.

Ageed. But SP's influence is un-de-fucking-niable.

After reading what seems like the 1,000,000 post of you promoting Perry, I am becoming more convinced each and every day that you
would get on your knees and blow that 60 year old man till the sun comes up.


That's dedication pal!

Nope. Just awed by talent. Thank you and fuck you!

[stevew2]

WAS

Logically, we can conclude he is less than he once was, but there's no way to tell that he's bad now, if that's what you're getting at. I'm critical of the man and his voice, but even his works on Trial By Fire are pretty great; nothing approaching his prime or what Augeri, Soto, or Arnel can dish out now, but still some serious pipes there.

Steve Perry has not sung a live note in almost 15 years and has not recorded an album in over 10.

There is no doubt about what he WAS, but there is serious doubt about what he IS now.

That is what I am getting it.

Until someone surpasses what he "was", he's the man. Nobody has.

That's open to interpretation. Don't let preference cloud objectivity; he is my favorite singer of all time, too, but there are several vocalists who rival him.

Rival, maybe? Surpass? FUCK, NO!

Still open to interpretation.

Ageed. But SP's influence is un-de-fucking-niable.

After reading what seems like the 1,000,000 post of you promoting Perry, I am becoming more convinced each and every day that you
would get on your knees and blow that 60 year old man till the sun comes up.


That's dedication pal!

Friga would,of course he would blow anyone that sounded like Perry

[Glenn]

WAS

Logically, we can conclude he is less than he once was, but there's no way to tell that he's bad now, if that's what you're getting at. I'm critical of the man and his voice, but even his works on Trial By Fire are pretty great; nothing approaching his prime or what Augeri, Soto, or Arnel can dish out now, but still some serious pipes there.

Steve Perry has not sung a live note in almost 15 years and has not recorded an album in over 10.

There is no doubt about what he WAS, but there is serious doubt about what he IS now.

That is what I am getting it.

Until someone surpasses what he "was", he's the man. Nobody has.

That's open to interpretation. Don't let preference cloud objectivity; he is my favorite singer of all time, too, but there are several vocalists who rival him.

Rival, maybe? Surpass? FUCK, NO!

Still open to interpretation.

Ageed. But SP's influence is un-de-fucking-niable.

After reading what seems like the 1,000,000 post of you promoting Perry, I am becoming more convinced each and every day that you
would get on your knees and blow that 60 year old man till the sun comes up.


That's dedication pal!

Nope. Just awed by talent. Thank you and fuck you!

Awed ? I don't think that quite describes it.

btw, I think I voted for you to stay or that I didn't care...But there is no way I want you to go...Keep up the good work!

It's good to have a daily reminder on just how great "The Voice" is (or was as some would say).

Cheers!

[Jubilee]

After reading what seems like the 1,000,000 post of you promoting Perry, I am becoming more convinced each and every day that you would get on your knees and blow that 60 year old man till the sun comes up.


That's dedication pal!

(you say that like it's a bad thing)

[Glenn]

After reading what seems like the 1,000,000 post of you promoting Perry, I am becoming more convinced each and every day that you would get on your knees and blow that 60 year old man till the sun comes up.


That's dedication pal!

(you say that like it's a bad thing)

Never said it's a bad thing ..... Hop in right after Mad is done being Splashed.

[Vladan]

WAS

Logically, we can conclude he is less than he once was, but there's no way to tell that he's bad now, if that's what you're getting at. I'm critical of the man and his voice, but even his works on Trial By Fire are pretty great; nothing approaching his prime or what Augeri, Soto, or Arnel can dish out now, but still some serious pipes there.

Steve Perry has not sung a live note in almost 15 years and has not recorded an album in over 10.

There is no doubt about what he WAS, but there is serious doubt about what he IS now.

That is what I am getting it.

Until someone surpasses what he "was", he's the man. Nobody has.

That's open to interpretation. Don't let preference cloud objectivity; he is my favorite singer of all time, too, but there are several vocalists who rival him.

Rival, maybe? Surpass? FUCK, NO!

Still open to interpretation.

Ageed. But SP's influence is un-de-fucking-niable.

After reading what seems like the 1,000,000 post of you promoting Perry, I am becoming more convinced each and every day that you
would get on your knees and blow that 60 year old man till the sun comes up.


That's dedication pal!

LMAO! haha, sounds more like homosexuality! in my honest opinion, like I don't want to argue, I just thought I'd express my thoughts on the matter

[Glenn]

WAS

Logically, we can conclude he is less than he once was, but there's no way to tell that he's bad now, if that's what you're getting at. I'm critical of the man and his voice, but even his works on Trial By Fire are pretty great; nothing approaching his prime or what Augeri, Soto, or Arnel can dish out now, but still some serious pipes there.

Steve Perry has not sung a live note in almost 15 years and has not recorded an album in over 10.

There is no doubt about what he WAS, but there is serious doubt about what he IS now.

That is what I am getting it.

Until someone surpasses what he "was", he's the man. Nobody has.

That's open to interpretation. Don't let preference cloud objectivity; he is my favorite singer of all time, too, but there are several vocalists who rival him.

Rival, maybe? Surpass? FUCK, NO!

Still open to interpretation.

Ageed. But SP's influence is un-de-fucking-niable.

After reading what seems like the 1,000,000 post of you promoting Perry, I am becoming more convinced each and every day that you
would get on your knees and blow that 60 year old man till the sun comes up.


That's dedication pal!

LMAO! haha, sounds more like homosexuality! in my honest opinion, like I don't want to argue, I just thought I'd express my thoughts on the matter

I think Perrysexuality would be a little more accurate.

[annie89509]

WAS

Logically, we can conclude he is less than he once was, but there's no way to tell that he's bad now, if that's what you're getting at. I'm critical of the man and his voice, but even his works on Trial By Fire are pretty great; nothing approaching his prime or what Augeri, Soto, or Arnel can dish out now, but still some serious pipes there.

You had me on your side, Gideon, until that last bit. I think his TBF performance exceeded anything Journey has done with any of their other singers. Don't bother dissecting or trying to get into a debate with me. Like I tell my boys ... respect your elders, now go to your room.

[perryswoman]

Is that SP is the most recognizable, influential, identifiable, undeniable, indisputable, unbelievable fucking rock singer of all time!

Damn right he is.

Yup

+ 1 million

[SherriBerry]

Is that SP is the most recognizable, influential, identifiable, undeniable, indisputable, unbelievable fucking rock singer of all time!

Damn right he is.

Yup

+ 1 million

[Suzanne]

Steve Perry is one of the of the most influential singers of our time, definitely.

These guys are only a few who were influenced by Perry. They just don't bigger than these guys.

Arnel Pineda
Michael Bolton
Ricky Martin
Bon Jovi

Not to mention Nick and Aaron Carter, IIRC. Still, though, not the Jimi Hendrix of vocals in terms of influence and innovation. He's on a high tier, I'm sure, but not the high tier.

Did you really just mention the Carter boys in the same sentence as SP? He INVENTED the high tier. C'mon.

Okay, I'm probably showing my age here but who are the Carter boys?

[artist4perry]

Darn it I hate when my husband forgets to log out!

Steve is One in A Million......... As for those who says he WAS, I was there when he sang live last time, seemed to me he WAS great. And unless you have heard him now, he may still BE.

But regardless of weather or not we hear him sing now or in the future, it only goes to say that this man has influenced so many people through the course of his life. His music inspires so many. He has a golden set of pipes. And if he is retired he has earned it.

I never understand shooting a man down for going into retirement as a singer. I mean would you say, if Hendrix quit playing guitar publicly, that he WAS? Like that erases all that he has ever done? That he is worthless? I am not that fickle as a fan. Did BB King stop performing because some kid said he WAS good? No! Thank goodness for that! I think Perry has earned some respect as far as his abilities go.

Perry WAS, and IS my favorite singer. Bar none. I love WHAT WAS..........and IS, and WILL BE, PERRY.

I say you need to remember this: In the words of Aretha Franklin...........R.....E........S....P......E C T!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0XAI-PFQcA

[annpea]

Darn it I hate when my husband forgets to log out!

Steve is One in A Million......... As for those who says he WAS, I was there when he sang live last time, seemed to me he WAS great. And unless you have heard him now, he may still BE.

But regardless of weather or not we hear him sing now or in the future, it only goes to say that this man has influenced so many people through the course of his life. His music inspires so many. He has a golden set of pipes. And if he is retired he has earned it.

I never understand shooting a man down for going into retirement as a singer. I mean would you say, if Hendrix quit playing guitar publicly, that he WAS? Like that erases all that he has ever done? That he is worthless? I am not that fickle as a fan. Did BB King stop performing because some kid said he WAS good? No! Thank goodness for that! I think Perry has earned some respect as far as his abilities go.

Perry WAS, and IS my favorite singer. Bar none. I love WHAT WAS..........and IS, and WILL BE, PERRY.

I say you need to remember this: In the words of Aretha Franklin...........R.....E........S....P......E C T!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0XAI-PFQcA

And that's the truth!!

[madsplash]

WAS

Logically, we can conclude he is less than he once was, but there's no way to tell that he's bad now, if that's what you're getting at. I'm critical of the man and his voice, but even his works on Trial By Fire are pretty great; nothing approaching his prime or what Augeri, Soto, or Arnel can dish out now, but still some serious pipes there.

Steve Perry has not sung a live note in almost 15 years and has not recorded an album in over 10.

There is no doubt about what he WAS, but there is serious doubt about what he IS now.

That is what I am getting it.

Until someone surpasses what he "was", he's the man. Nobody has.

That's open to interpretation. Don't let preference cloud objectivity; he is my favorite singer of all time, too, but there are several vocalists who rival him.

Rival, maybe? Surpass? FUCK, NO!

Still open to interpretation.

Ageed. But SP's influence is un-de-fucking-niable.

After reading what seems like the 1,000,000 post of you promoting Perry, I am becoming more convinced each and every day that you
would get on your knees and blow that 60 year old man till the sun comes up.


That's dedication pal!

LMAO! haha, sounds more like homosexuality! in my honest opinion, like I don't want to argue, I just thought I'd express my thoughts on the matter

No, completely straight. You sound a little homophobic. Have some unresolved issues?

[Gideon]

You had me on your side, Gideon, until that last bit.

Ah well, life goes on.

I think his TBF performance exceeded anything Journey has done with any of their other singers.

Your highly objective opinion has been noted.

It's my favorite album, but he's weaker at this point than his successors.

Don't bother dissecting

Too late.

or trying to get into a debate with me.

Why not? Surely an opinionated woman such as yourself (and someone who, as I recall, has had major problems with my stance on things) could summon the patience and energy to take a swing? I think it would be fun. It's the only way you can ever learn to appreciate someone's side rather than blindly tossing out unsubstantiated statements.

Like I tell my boys ... respect your elders, now go to your room.

Here's your chance to make me.

[artist4perry]

You had me on your side, Gideon, until that last bit.

Ah well, life goes on.

I think his TBF performance exceeded anything Journey has done with any of their other singers.

Your highly objective opinion has been noted.

It's my favorite album, but he's weaker at this point than his successors.

Don't bother dissecting

Too late.

or trying to get into a debate with me.

Why not? Surely an opinionated woman such as yourself (and someone who, as I recall, has had major problems with my stance on things) could summon the patience and energy to take a swing? I think it would be fun. It's the only way you can ever learn to appreciate someone's side rather than blindly tossing out unsubstantiated statements.

Like I tell my boys ... respect your elders, now go to your room.

Here's your chance to make me.

There are two of us moms on this thread Giddy, and I can take my 18 year old son on and win! Never underestimate loon moms........we kick butt! Respect let me hear it! That's O.K. Giddy, your entitled to your oppinions, but so are we.

[Gideon]

No one ever said you weren't entitled to your opinion.

But here's the thing: when you have a schism or disagreement between two groups (Loons and non-Loons, for example), the only way either side is going to even come close to understanding the merits of the other is only through discussion, debate, or arguments.

This isn't court, but no one should expect another person to arrive at the same conclusion unless they're willing to present the reasons why.

Understand?

[steveo777]

Are you guys talking about he who USED to be able to sing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPxu10M_6Cg

Sure, bring him back and see how it works out.

Gawd, I loved his voice back in the era, but I doubt he could pull it off today.

[perryswoman]

Are you guys talking about he who USED to be able to sing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPxu10M_6Cg

Sure, bring him back and see how it works out.

Gawd, I loved his voice back in the era, but I doubt he could pull it off today.

I get so tired of people saying that about this clip. How in the hell is he supose to sound after screaming his lungs out for days in the finals? Get a freakin clue!

[steveo777]

Are you guys talking about he who USED to be able to sing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPxu10M_6Cg

Sure, bring him back and see how it works out.

Gawd, I loved his voice back in the era, but I doubt he could pull it off today.

I get so tired of people saying that about this clip. How in the hell is he supose to sound after screaming his lungs out for days in the finals? Get a freakin clue!

Down, Girl! You have to admit there was a certain amount of truth in my post. Now, I'm gonna ask you to get a clue as well. He's 60 years old, but to be fair, if you can post any fresh evidence to the contrary, I'm open minded enough to listen. I'm just not in denial. Please do show me where he is singing within of half step of normal range. I can accept that.

[Jana]

Are you guys talking about he who USED to be able to sing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPxu10M_6Cg

Sure, bring him back and see how it works out.

Gawd, I loved his voice back in the era, but I doubt he could pull it off today.

I get so tired of people saying that about this clip. How in the hell is he supose to sound after screaming his lungs out for days in the finals? Get a freakin clue!

I never really care about the voice or judge because of where it was and the circumstances. It's the reaction to him by the audience that always bothers me when I've watched this, so lackluster. It makes me cringe when he can't get the audience going with him.

[Gideon]

Are you guys talking about he who USED to be able to sing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPxu10M_6Cg

Sure, bring him back and see how it works out.

Gawd, I loved his voice back in the era, but I doubt he could pull it off today.

I get so tired of people saying that about this clip. How in the hell is he supose to sound after screaming his lungs out for days in the finals? Get a freakin clue!

Chill, lol.

It's good that you accept that it sucks, because it does (at least in my opinion). You also have a legitimate point about the screaming. The problem is that there are without question Loons out there who think that Perry, in that clip, is better than Augeri/Arnel/Soto combined on their best days.

[annie89509]

Steve Perry is one of the of the most influential singers of our time, definitely.

These guys are only a few who were influenced by Perry. They just don't bigger than these guys.

Arnel Pineda
Michael Bolton
Ricky Martin
Bon Jovi

Not to mention Nick and Aaron Carter, IIRC. Still, though, not the Jimi Hendrix of vocals in terms of influence and innovation. He's on a high tier, I'm sure, but not the high tier.

Did you really just mention the Carter boys in the same sentence as SP? He INVENTED the high tier. C'mon.

Okay, I'm probably showing my age here but who are the Carter boys?

I believe Nick Carter is(was) in the boy band, Backstreet Boys, while his younger brother, Aaron is another teeniebopper ... kind of like the Wahlberg Bros. before them (Donnie - New Kids on the Block; Mark was Markie Mark -he of rap & skimpy swimsuit poster fame, then became a pretty good, serious actor).

[froy]

Is that SP is the most recognizable, influential, identifiable, undeniable, indisputable, unbelievable fucking rock singer of all time!

WAS

[annie89509]

Are you guys talking about he who USED to be able to sing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPxu10M_6Cg

Sure, bring him back and see how it works out.

Gawd, I loved his voice back in the era, but I doubt he could pull it off today.

I get so tired of people saying that about this clip. How in the hell is he supose to sound after screaming his lungs out for days in the finals? Get a freakin clue!

Chill, lol.

It's good that you accept that it sucks, because it does (at least in my opinion). You also have a legitimate point about the screaming. The problem is that there are without question Loons out there who think that Perry, in that clip, is better than Augeri/Arnel/Soto combined on their best days.

Gid ... please read your originating post and my corresponding post, again. When I interjected "I think", it is an opinion. When you stated unequivocally that on TBF, SP was inferior to what AP-SA-JSS could do, it is a statement of fact.

And who are we kidding, there is no changing one's position on this board. We can either acknowledge and present an alternative opinion, get into an endless debate and show of one-upmanship, or degenerate into a pissing match. One of the 3 ... the story of this Journey messageboard -- at least since I have been reading here .

Kids ... they think they know everything and the world evolves around them

[perryswoman]

Are you guys talking about he who USED to be able to sing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPxu10M_6Cg

Sure, bring him back and see how it works out.

Gawd, I loved his voice back in the era, but I doubt he could pull it off today.

I get so tired of people saying that about this clip. How in the hell is he supose to sound after screaming his lungs out for days in the finals? Get a freakin clue!

Chill, lol.

It's good that you accept that it sucks, because it does (at least in my opinion). You also have a legitimate point about the screaming. The problem is that there are without question Loons out there who think that Perry, in that clip, is better than Augeri/Arnel/Soto combined on their best days.

Well now I ain't that looney. It does suck for sure.

[Monker]

Are you guys talking about he who USED to be able to sing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPxu10M_6Cg

Sure, bring him back and see how it works out.

Gawd, I loved his voice back in the era, but I doubt he could pull it off today.

I get so tired of people saying that about this clip. How in the hell is he supose to sound after screaming his lungs out for days in the finals? Get a freakin clue!

Chill, lol.

It's good that you accept that it sucks, because it does (at least in my opinion). You also have a legitimate point about the screaming. The problem is that there are without question Loons out there who think that Perry, in that clip, is better than Augeri/Arnel/Soto combined on their best days.

No she doesn't have a point...unless she can provide some proof that he was 'screaming his lungs out' for days. THEN she will have a point...Otherwise, it's just more made up bullshit to distract from the point of FACT that IS being shown in that video.

[artist4perry]

No one ever said you weren't entitled to your opinion.

But here's the thing: when you have a schism or disagreement between two groups (Loons and non-Loons, for example), the only way either side is going to even come close to understanding the merits of the other is only through discussion, debate, or arguments.

This isn't court, but no one should expect another person to arrive at the same conclusion unless they're willing to present the reasons why.

Understand?

Hey loud and clear, but, the man has earned some respect, and I hear little of it from some, not you, I think you give him credit where credit is due. But I could not resist scolding you in mock fassion after annie girl did.

[artist4perry]

Are you guys talking about he who USED to be able to sing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPxu10M_6Cg

Sure, bring him back and see how it works out.

Gawd, I loved his voice back in the era, but I doubt he could pull it off today.

I get so tired of people saying that about this clip. How in the hell is he supose to sound after screaming his lungs out for days in the finals? Get a freakin clue!

Chill, lol.

It's good that you accept that it sucks, because it does (at least in my opinion). You also have a legitimate point about the screaming. The problem is that there are without question Loons out there who think that Perry, in that clip, is better than Augeri/Arnel/Soto combined on their best days.

No she doesn't have a point...unless she can provide some proof that he was 'screaming his lungs out' for days. THEN she will have a point...Otherwise, it's just more made up bullshit to distract from the point of FACT that IS being shown in that video.

Monker in a well known interview Perry said he had been screaming for 4 days. I will try and find it for you. And yes he sounded bad, after 4 days of singing and trying to sing with tone deaf ball players.

[Gideon]

Gid ... please read your originating post and my corresponding post, again. When I interjected "I think", it is an opinion. When you stated unequivocally that on TBF, SP was inferior to what AP-SA-JSS could do, it is a statement of fact.

I wasn't referring to you in the post you quoted; I'm not a proponent of mincing words.

And yes, it is a statement of fact. Preference is subjective; technical skill is not. You can gauge Perry's studio performance in TBF and compare it to those of Arnel, Augeri, and (if non-Journey works are being analyzed) Soto. He demonstrates inferior range, inferior power, and abrupt pauses to breathe throughout the whole album, suggesting that his lung capacity isn't nearly as strong as it used to be. When he does hold a note out, it's withering at best and extremely soft. Not the case for Augeri, Arnel, and Soto.

And who are we kidding, there is no changing one's position on this board.

That's a particularly negative opinion to take. And one I strongly disagree with. This is my philosophy: I'm swayed by proof. Evidence. Facts. For example, when Deano rails against me, it's "Perry is god and you're gonna accept it because I say so!!1!" He doesn't summon the patience or objectivity to argue his case and derails the point with trolling (though it is hilarious). That's why I don't submit. Arianddu? Jubilee? They have provided pro-Perry arguments that have yielded concessions from me before. But that's because they don't bother with baseless apologia or internet fellatios because they like the man's voice. Thus the problem: many people expected me to change my mind simply because Perry-worship is the status quo. That doesn't fly. The evidence shows that the man was easily as big of an ass as his companions and just as narcissistic; nor is he an infallible vocalist.

If more people could argue the pro-Perry side without devolving into rants, insults, baiting, or other aspects of trolling, I'm sure I'd be persuaded. And this is not to say that you're a troll, but as to why I largely seem rigid in my own beliefs.

We can either acknowledge and present an alternative opinion, get into an endless debate and show of one-upmanship, or degenerate into a pissing match. One of the 3 ... the story of this Journey messageboard -- at least since I have been reading here .

Not at all. My arguments with Deano and Gunbot are proof enough that either one or both sides don't necessarily have to regard the other as a bitter enemy. There is room for discussion here.

Kids ... they think they know everything and the world evolves around them

This one knows it does.