President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[treetopovskaya]

that's not the scenario. it's not YOU that knows where they are it's someone else & that's why you would have to intererrogate them... harshly if needed.

lol, tree. you're asking a question, but have already determined our answer.

if someone i loved was being held and i knew where they were i would do everything in my power to save them. i would not torture another human being, i'd much rather follow the law.

[Eric]

LOL, Bush didn't have a fucking clue what was happening let alone know there were 20 terrorists/hijackers. Impeachment the least of his worries? That fucker ought to be rung up on charges too many to count. Bush was reading(yeah right), to a 3rd grade class in Florida when the first plane hit the Trade Center. Andy Card came in, whispered in his ear and the stupid bastard kept at it for 7 minutes. 7 fucking minutes! Maybe he was getting close to finishing his first ever book.

Thats such a lame criticism

[treetopovskaya]

like i said before... i wish we didn't have to resort to harsh ways of interrogating. i don't like it... but if that is the only way to get info out of someone that will save innocent lives... what would you have our gov do? prolly nothing i know... then later when all hell breaks loose you can throw blame... typical.

[treetopovskaya]

someone watched fahrenheit 911... hahahaa!

now go watch fahrenhype 911.

LOL, Bush didn't have a fucking clue what was happening let alone know there were 20 terrorists/hijackers. Impeachment the least of his worries? That fucker ought to be rung up on charges too many to count. Bush was reading(yeah right), to a 3rd grade class in Florida when the first plane hit the Trade Center. Andy Card came in, whispered in his ear and the stupid bastard kept at it for 7 minutes. 7 fucking minutes! Maybe he was getting close to finishing his first ever book.

Thats such a lame criticism

[Rockindeano]

worse than being shot AND killed. you quoted donna wrong. typical.

whatever dean.

maybe people have to dumb down so you lib freaks might understand. i know it's hard... when logic gets lost.

Why is it ok to do that, but waterboarding is considered so much worse? I just don't understand.

How did I quote donna wrong? Typical? You are fucking nuts Wendy.

"lib freaks?" Nooo, you're not a conservative, not at all.

And if you would ever learn to quote at the bottom like everyone else, maybe we could understand what the fuck you are trying to say.

[Rockindeano]

the same mccain you dissed during election?

oh... now you respect him?

*rolls eyes*

You can search the annals of this site til you're blue in the face and you will never find a single time I criticized John McCain for his military service. In fact I have called him a hero many times.

Either get your facts straight or butt out of this. You are clearly in over your head here.

[Rockindeano]

LOL, Bush didn't have a fucking clue what was happening let alone know there were 20 terrorists/hijackers. Impeachment the least of his worries? That fucker ought to be rung up on charges too many to count. Bush was reading(yeah right), to a 3rd grade class in Florida when the first plane hit the Trade Center. Andy Card came in, whispered in his ear and the stupid bastard kept at it for 7 minutes. 7 fucking minutes! Maybe he was getting close to finishing his first ever book.

Thats such a lame criticism

How is that lame? That is exactly what transpired. So Michael Moore documented it? Doesn't change the fact that for 7 minutes, 7 full minutes, your glorious commander in chief sat there with his thumb up his ass and did nothing.

If you can refute the accuracy of the film footage, I will kill myself.

[The_Noble_Cause]

like i said before... i wish we didn't have to resort to harsh ways of interrogating. i don't like it... but if that is the only way to get info out of someone that will save innocent lives... what would you have our gov do?

Follow the law.
Or, as Alan Dershowitz and other have suggested, change it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Because Bush issued an executive order and made it legal, reversing Ford and Clinton's ban on CIA assasinations.
In this case, he changed the law.

Dude...you got a nice taco!

GI Jim,
While those cold and lonely nights deployed overseas are enough to turn any man into a charter member of the Linda Ronstadt fan club, regretfully, I will have to reject this forward advance to be your barracks butt soldier.
I’ve heard of people changing after witnessing the horrors of war, but who knew it included an insatiable desire to scarf on a fellow leatherneck’s frank and beans?
Your story is an inspiration to the thousands of amputee victims popping wheelies at Walter Reed who think their life sucks royal ass.
Not to pull rank, but in the future, kindly refrain from including me in your Jim Nabors showerroom fuck fantasies.
Thanks

[Lula]

that's not the scenario. it's not YOU that knows where they are it's someone else & that's why you would have to intererrogate them... harshly if needed.

lol, tree. you're asking a question, but have already determined our answer.

if someone i loved was being held and i knew where they were i would do everything in my power to save them. i would not torture another human being, i'd much rather follow the law.

again, i would not torture or advocate torture of another human being. i have been in a situation where a family member went missing and did not break the law to find them. torture is wrong- period.

[Lula]

Does anyone else see a double standard here? Didn't BO order the US Navy to send a SEAL team to take out the Somali pirates that were holding an American captive? He could've just paid the price they were asking and then tried to 'talk' to them about their wicked behavior. The US government has assasinated people all over the world in secret missions (or that's what we are led to believe). Why is it ok to do that, but waterboarding is considered so much worse? I just don't understand.

FWIW, I'm glad the SEAL team did what they did to save the captain. I'm glad BO showed some backbone with that. Everyone just needs to lay off the partisan witch hunt now.

regarding the pirates and the captain- as i understand it, the captain was being held at gunpoint by three others and negotiations were breaking down. the president authorized the military to use force if they felt it was needed and clearly they did.

waterboarding- i know of nothing gained by torture. show me proof that lives were saved because a detainee was tortured.

[Eric]

waterboarding- i know of nothing gained by torture. show me proof that lives were saved because a detainee was tortured.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/a ... rcID=46949

[Rockindeano]

waterboarding- i know of nothing gained by torture. show me proof that lives were saved because a detainee was tortured.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/a ... rcID=46949

Not quite.

This is from a responder to your "right news" (LOL) article. I cribbed his post because I am in a hurry, but I would have said the same thing anyway. Call me lazy, but this post and a host of real media also disputes this and your "proof" missed the timeline by 6 months or more.

Try again.

Here's a quote from President Bush in the press release titled Fact Sheet: Keeping America Safe From Attack, published May 23, 2007: "In 2002, we broke up a plot by KSM to hijack an airplane and fly it into the tallest building on the West Coast. During a hearing at Guantanamo Bay two months ago [March, 2007], KSM stated that the intended target was the Library Tower in Los Angeles." Bush is clearly stating that KSM's plot to hijack a plane & fly it into the tallest building on the West Coast, the "Library Tower" was foiled in 2002, before KSM was captured. If KSM offered information that foiled a different terrorist plot against the "Library Tower," or different cells related to the same plot, why didn't they say so?

I can almost hear FF typing away Googling any fucking story, right wing bullshit article to say otherwise. You can't torture, excuse me, waterboard somebody who has yet to be caught.

Dumb sonofbitches.

Throw anything out there and see if it sticks. See, you need to understand, "us Lib freaks" are a bit smarter than most of your own sheep following Conservative soccer mommies. You need to actually come up with something factual rather than spew a scare tactic(thanks Karl Rove), or some good lies(W Bush).

[Lula]

waterboarding- i know of nothing gained by torture. show me proof that lives were saved because a detainee was tortured.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/a ... rcID=46949

nope, try again. this has been proven to be false. there are also reports that ksm told al jazeera about that plan to attack the library tower here in l.a. from all i've read and listened to, there is no proof that the u.s. gained any knowledge that led to the prevention of a terrorist attack on our country.

[Eric]

waterboarding- i know of nothing gained by torture. show me proof that lives were saved because a detainee was tortured.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/a ... rcID=46949

nope, try again. this has been proven to be false. there are also reports that ksm told al jazeera about that plan to attack the library tower here in l.a. from all i've read and listened to, there is no proof that the u.s. gained any knowledge that led to the prevention of a terrorist attack on our country.

Where has it proven to be false?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/11/ ... index.html

[RedWingFan]

that's not the scenario. it's not YOU that knows where they are it's someone else & that's why you would have to intererrogate them... harshly if needed.

lol, tree. you're asking a question, but have already determined our answer.

if someone i loved was being held and i knew where they were i would do everything in my power to save them. i would not torture another human being, i'd much rather follow the law.

again, i would not torture or advocate torture of another human being. i have been in a situation where a family member went missing and did not break the law to find them. torture is wrong- period.

Must be nice to be on the moral high road while your loved one is counting down the minutes to losing their head. I'd rather be related to treetop!

[treetopovskaya]

you left out the important part of donna's post that's what i meant.

you think i'm nuts? i think you're nuts. }:C)

worse than being shot AND killed. you quoted donna wrong. typical.

whatever dean.

maybe people have to dumb down so you lib freaks might understand. i know it's hard... when logic gets lost.

Why is it ok to do that, but waterboarding is considered so much worse? I just don't understand.

How did I quote donna wrong? Typical? You are fucking nuts Wendy.

"lib freaks?" Nooo, you're not a conservative, not at all.

And if you would ever learn to quote at the bottom like everyone else, maybe we could understand what the fuck you are trying to say.

[treetopovskaya]

}:C))

that's not the scenario. it's not YOU that knows where they are it's someone else & that's why you would have to intererrogate them... harshly if needed.

lol, tree. you're asking a question, but have already determined our answer.

if someone i loved was being held and i knew where they were i would do everything in my power to save them. i would not torture another human being, i'd much rather follow the law.

again, i would not torture or advocate torture of another human being. i have been in a situation where a family member went missing and did not break the law to find them. torture is wrong- period.

Must be nice to be on the moral high road while your loved one is counting down the minutes to losing their head. I'd rather be related to treetop!

[RedWingFan]

}:C))

that's not the scenario. it's not YOU that knows where they are it's someone else & that's why you would have to intererrogate them... harshly if needed.

lol, tree. you're asking a question, but have already determined our answer.

if someone i loved was being held and i knew where they were i would do everything in my power to save them. i would not torture another human being, i'd much rather follow the law.

again, i would not torture or advocate torture of another human being. i have been in a situation where a family member went missing and did not break the law to find them. torture is wrong- period.

Must be nice to be on the moral high road while your loved one is counting down the minutes to losing their head. I'd rather be related to treetop!

Don't smile too big. Your Yucks still have an assbeating awaiting you in the next round. (assuming they can finish against the Sharks)

[S2M]

I hope Boston and Detroit meet in the finals....cause Boston is gonna wipe the floor with the Red Wings.....

[RedWingFan]

I hope Boston and Detroit meet in the finals....cause Boston is gonna wipe the floor with the Red Wings.....

I'd love to see an Original Six final STM. The defending champs lost nothing and added the top free agent in Hossa last summer. The Wings are the last team to repeat and I see no reason why they won't do it again. Love to see the matchup though. I just wish Mike O'Connell was the architect of the Bruins. I love him when he played D for the Wings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKBApLhfm_I

[Deacon]

lol, tree. you're asking a question, but have already determined our answer.

if someone i loved was being held and i knew where they were i would do everything in my power to save them. i would not torture another human being, i'd much rather follow the law.

Did no one else catch the blatant contradiction within that statement?

[RedWingFan]

Oh crap. I confused this thread with the hockey thread. Sorry!!

[treetopovskaya]

how you say that with a straight face amazes me! }:CPP were you not paying attention in 2003 & 2007? };C)

}:C))

that's not the scenario. it's not YOU that knows where they are it's someone else & that's why you would have to intererrogate them... harshly if needed.

lol, tree. you're asking a question, but have already determined our answer.

if someone i loved was being held and i knew where they were i would do everything in my power to save them. i would not torture another human being, i'd much rather follow the law.

again, i would not torture or advocate torture of another human being. i have been in a situation where a family member went missing and did not break the law to find them. torture is wrong- period.

Must be nice to be on the moral high road while your loved one is counting down the minutes to losing their head. I'd rather be related to treetop!

Don't smile too big. Your Yucks still have an assbeating awaiting you in the next round. (assuming they can finish against the Sharks)

[RedWingFan]

how you say that with a straight face amazes me! }:CPP were you not paying attention in 2003 & 2007? };C)

}:C))

that's not the scenario. it's not YOU that knows where they are it's someone else & that's why you would have to intererrogate them... harshly if needed.

lol, tree. you're asking a question, but have already determined our answer.

if someone i loved was being held and i knew where they were i would do everything in my power to save them. i would not torture another human being, i'd much rather follow the law.

again, i would not torture or advocate torture of another human being. i have been in a situation where a family member went missing and did not break the law to find them. torture is wrong- period.

Must be nice to be on the moral high road while your loved one is counting down the minutes to losing their head. I'd rather be related to treetop!

Don't smile too big. Your Yucks still have an assbeating awaiting you in the next round. (assuming they can finish against the Sharks)

I'm going to copy and paste this over in the hockey thread and respond to it over there and let everyone discuss the processes of destroying America here uninterupted.

[Lula]

lol, tree. you're asking a question, but have already determined our answer.

if someone i loved was being held and i knew where they were i would do everything in my power to save them. i would not torture another human being, i'd much rather follow the law.

Did no one else catch the blatant contradiction within that statement?

no contradiction. i would not torture. not within my power to do something like that.

[Lula]

Must be nice to be on the moral high road while your loved one is counting down the minutes to losing their head. I'd rather be related to treetop!

as for you rwf, once again you're completely unaware of my life and what i have experienced. the individuals responsible for the crime are spending their lives in prison. now please go back to ignoring me.

[RedWingFan]

Must be nice to be on the moral high road while your loved one is counting down the minutes to losing their head. I'd rather be related to treetop!

as for you rwf, once again you're completely unaware of my life and what i have experienced. the individuals responsible for the crime are spending their lives in prison. now please go back to ignoring me.

Since when have I ignored you. I've never ignored anyone here.

[Deacon]

lol, tree. you're asking a question, but have already determined our answer.

if someone i loved was being held and i knew where they were i would do everything in my power to save them. i would not torture another human being, i'd much rather follow the law.

Did no one else catch the blatant contradiction within that statement?

no contradiction. i would not torture. not within my power to do something like that.

Of course it is within a person's power to allegedly torture or interrogate someone.

You are, unless you have some outstanding medical or physical condition, capable of torture, whether it be mental or physical. It is within your power to do so; you simply refuse to facilitate it.

[Lula]

Of course it is within a person's power to allegedly torture or interrogate someone.

You are, unless you have some outstanding medical or physical condition, capable of torture, whether it be mental or physical. It is within your power to do so; you simply refuse to facilitate it.

not within my power to torture another human being. it is quite simply not who i am. not in my belief system, not in my psyche. interrogate- sure. as a middle school teacher it's part of my job, lol.