OT Sex Education

[stevew2]

i think it is a good idea,i got laid when i was 11,had to figure out the damn thing out own my own.Kids are going to try shit out behind you back and lie to your face, They should have boxes of condoms in front of every classroom door,along with cucummbers, carrots, squash what ever vegatable it takes

[Panther]

I'm glad to hear some schools are delving into aspects of sex ed. that the abstinence based classes wouldn't dream of doing. Here in my district (TX school), they are full tilt and whole hog on the abstinence based teachings. They start them (run more or less in a seminar format - person standing at the head of the room preaching at the kids) in 5th grade, again in 7th and twice in high school. They speak of the STD's and pregnancy, "that's why you shouldn't." This same district (although in much smaller numbers than the main town district) has had more girls pregnant than I can count on both hands and feet in the last two years - each year and that is just high school. Apparently, they are not seeing the correlation between JUST telling them to not do it and the high numbers. I refused to sign off on the permission slip for both of my boys and will do so with my mini girlie.

Personally, I have started the sex ed talks with all my children at a very young age. Simple terms at first and building from there. Neither my 22 or 18 year old boys has participated in sexual activity. I'm hoping the same for the mini girlie, but I won't take chances... pill, patch, shot, sewing the dang thing closed.. whatever it takes, she'll get the message.

Those who are outraged at the thought of this school having the girls practice condom placement, remember... while you may be teaching your children everything they need to know, other parents clearly are not. Hence the need for schools to do "something" to get it through their pea brains that IF they are going to participate in sexual activity.. they need to make sure THEY are protecting themselves.

[stevew2]

I'm glad to hear some schools are delving into aspects of sex ed. that the abstinence based classes wouldn't dream of doing. Here in my district (TX school), they are full tilt and whole hog on the abstinence based teachings. They start them (run more or less in a seminar format - person standing at the head of the room preaching at the kids) in 5th grade, again in 7th and twice in high school. They speak of the STD's and pregnancy, "that's why you shouldn't." This same district (although in much smaller numbers than the main town district) has had more girls pregnant than I can count on both hands and feet in the last two years - each year and that is just high school. Apparently, they are not seeing the correlation between JUST telling them to not do it and the high numbers. I refused to sign off on the permission slip for both of my boys and will do so with my mini girlie.

Personally, I have started the sex ed talks with all my children at a very young age. Simple terms at first and building from there. Neither my 22 or 18 year old boys has participated in sexual activity. I'm hoping the same for the mini girlie, but I won't take chances... pill, patch, shot, sewing the dang thing closed.. whatever it takes, she'll get the message.

Those who are outraged at the thought of this school having the girls practice condom placement, remember... while you may be teaching your children everything they need to know, other parents clearly are not. Hence the need for schools to do "something" to get it through their pea brains that IF they are going to participate in sexual activity.. they need to make sure THEY are protecting themselves.

All the shit they watch on MTV and them fucked up "reality" shows,all they do is screw each other,they see that shit, and they think it is okay.they should have condom instructions at the end of every show

[StevePerryHair]

[It is sad but true, Frank. Maybe, that 12 year old whose pregnant, wouldn't be if she'd taken SexEd earlier. I have a beautiful 19 year old daughter now who I never had a problem with, between SexEd and knowing she could come to me about anything is probably why. The best advice I ever got, was "pick your battles". Don't go off on them when they ask or tell you something that you really don't want to hear. Take it in and then deal with it.

Not sure about each of them putting condoms on cucumbers. From what I remember, I think the teacher just showed you how to unroll it at the front of the class. If we each would have been handed condoms to put on cucumbers at the age of 12, there would have been a heck of a lot more giggling then learning.

Yes, I should clarify, there as no use of cucumbers in my daughter's class I wanted to add too, Frank makes it seem like they are teaching the kids HOW to have sex, like it's okay. And of course in the midst of teaching them things, they do learn HOW. I mean there are so many misinformations out there about sex and it is causing kids to get pregnant and get diseases that could have been prevented. For instance, there are many 12 and over girls giving BJ's, because duh, you can't get pregnant. Well you CAN get a venerial disease, and many kids AND ADULTS don't even think of that consequence. They learn there is danger and risk with EVERY sexual behavior except abstinence and I don't think that is a bad thing. They learn about all birth controls, but then the statistics of them too, so they know there is no 100%, but that if you are doing it, the importance of condoms for disease prevention. Not every child has a parent who will sit and tell them every correct fact about sex and diseases when many don't even know the correct facts themselves. As hard as it was for me to explain the definition of orgasm to my daughter, when I imagined in my head how I could NEVER have asked my mom that question, I was so happy she asked ME and not some random friend. I want her to have open communication like you are saying Deb, and I hope now that the communications are open it will continue. Though my son will not talk about anything anymore, and he did at 12. At 12 he came home and was an open book and so was I. So I was glad to have that opportunity back then before it passed. Girls are different though, so hopefully she will remain open even if it gives me more gray hairs And hearing it from more than one source is not a bad thing either, since most kids that age know everything and their parents are just old and don't understand

[StevePerryHair]

I'm glad to hear some schools are delving into aspects of sex ed. that the abstinence based classes wouldn't dream of doing. Here in my district (TX school), they are full tilt and whole hog on the abstinence based teachings. They start them (run more or less in a seminar format - person standing at the head of the room preaching at the kids) in 5th grade, again in 7th and twice in high school. They speak of the STD's and pregnancy, "that's why you shouldn't." This same district (although in much smaller numbers than the main town district) has had more girls pregnant than I can count on both hands and feet in the last two years - each year and that is just high school. Apparently, they are not seeing the correlation between JUST telling them to not do it and the high numbers. I refused to sign off on the permission slip for both of my boys and will do so with my mini girlie.

Personally, I have started the sex ed talks with all my children at a very young age. Simple terms at first and building from there. Neither my 22 or 18 year old boys has participated in sexual activity. I'm hoping the same for the mini girlie, but I won't take chances... pill, patch, shot, sewing the dang thing closed.. whatever it takes, she'll get the message.

Those who are outraged at the thought of this school having the girls practice condom placement, remember... while you may be teaching your children everything they need to know, other parents clearly are not. Hence the need for schools to do "something" to get it through their pea brains that IF they are going to participate in sexual activity.. they need to make sure THEY are protecting themselves.

All the shit they watch on MTV and them fucked up "reality" shows,all they do is screw each other,they see that shit, and they think it is okay.they should have condom instructions at the end of every show

Yep, that's what I'm talking about. There are kids UNDER 12 watching that crap and they learn so much crap from that. Their education is coming much sooner than 7th grade, and it's from PG13 and R movies and trash tv. That's NOT the way I want my kids to see and learn about sex.

[Melissa]

Well girls getting pregnant as young as 11 or 12 is not something new. I'm in my mid-30's and when I was in 7th grade (12 yrs old) there was a girl in one of my classes pregnant. So this young of an age is NOT just starting to happen today.

And like others have stated, I would rather my kids learn the CORRECT facts about all this, rather than from their snot-nosed teenager-going-on-40 attitude little friends. That's all fine and dandy if you want your child to learn from just you, but remember the reason school steps in with this too is because there are tons of parents out there who do not feel the same in that regard, and teach their kids absolutely nothing. Trust me as a pediatric nurse for a long time now I KNOW this. And parents are just as clueless too. If I had a dollar for every teenage girl or boy who comes to see us, and when it comes time for that little talk where most kids will ask their parents to step out so they can talk to the MD/ARNP alone, it never fails you get the mom or dad going "Oh well there's no way my kid is having sex yet." But sure enough as soon as mommy or daddy leave the room, guess what their little princesses and princes confess? Never, ever fails. It's happening people. It's happening more than you can possibly even imagine. Sex education is not teaching them sex is ok. They're already doing it. They NEED to learn how to protect themselves.

As for the cucumber thing, well that's just hilarious to me. But unfortunately they do need to learn how to use them PROPERLY. What have you got against cucumbers? Should they be using some other vegetable or fruit? Bottom line is they NEED to learn how to use them PROPERLY. And they need to learn how to protect themselves every way they possibly can. Especially when kids are becoming so precocious now earlier and earlier. It's sad, but true.

[RPM]

"Sex education is not teaching them sex is ok. They're already doing it."

Not at 12 there not. most probably didnt even think much about it until
class started. And I think showing them how to "do it" at such a young
age is sending the wrong the message, but its just my view...

Ray

[StevePerryHair]

"Sex education is not teaching them sex is ok. They're already doing it."

Not at 12 there not. most probably didnt even think much about it until
class started. And I think showing them how to "do it" at such a young
age is sending the wrong the message, but its just my view...

Ray

you can believe it or not. People who choose not to, have their heads in the sand though. My daughter talks to me, and kids are aware BEFORE sex ed what sex is and "how"it's done. You think with our media and the internet that it's all a big secret to them before they hit that class at 12? That is called one thing. Denial.

[Sarah]

Sex ed is necessary. My parents never gave me a talk and I'm sure plenty of my classmates never heard anything from their parents about safe sex, so it needs to be offered in school. Absinence-only just does not work! Not many kids have sex that young, but some do and always have. To me it's better to have young teens having early, yet safe, sex than a bunch of unwanted babies because young teens weren't sold on contraception.

As someone else said, hopefully they did this cucumber thing with the boys too. I never learned how to put a condom on and rely on the guy to do it. 12 might be a little young but girls can get pregnant at 12.

"Sex education is not teaching them sex is ok. They're already doing it."

Not at 12 there not. most probably didnt even think much about it until
class started. And I think showing them how to "do it" at such a young
age is sending the wrong the message, but its just my view...

I really hope your ignorance doesn't end up in one of your preteen kids getting pregnant or knocking up a girl.

[Arianddu]

I don't really see what the big deal is. Australia has been teaching this sort of stuff to 12-14 year olds for at least 25 years, and we aren't exactly awash with promiscuous under-age teens thinking that they should be having sex so young. Besides which, surely this is the sort of stuff that should be taught before kids become sexually active. Waiting until a larger percentage of them is actually having sex before you teach them about how it all works and how to take care of themselves is just bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted, surely.

[Gideon]

We had a one hour pow wow about the birds and the bees when I was in 5th grade (77/78 ). The school principle handled us boys in one class room and the school nurse handled the girls in another classroom. We watched a film, had a discussion and that was it until 7th grade, when we had the normal sex education courses.

Yes, 7th grade is 12. And maybe we should blame Obama you learned that at 12 back then too?

At 18, I learned more in two hours from a Whorehouse in the Philippines then I did from all the courses in school combined.

Field trip?

[Rip Rokken]

he was telling the women that their 's change colors as it's getting closer to orgasm.

BEFORE:


AFTER:

[The Sushi Hunter]

he was telling the women that their 's change colors as it's getting closer to orgasm.

BEFORE:


AFTER:

You must have taken the same class.

[Gideon]

Alan Shore had a particularly convincing speech on sex education in season four of Boston Legal... I miss that show.

[Melissa]

"Sex education is not teaching them sex is ok. They're already doing it."

Not at 12 there not. most probably didnt even think much about it until
class started. And I think showing them how to "do it" at such a young
age is sending the wrong the message, but its just my view...

Ray

Um, yeah, they are. Kids still in elementary school are learning about sex from their classmates BEFORE these sex ed classes in middle and high school. How do I know this? From the high number of calls from parents asking my advice on how to respond to their 8 year old coming home and asking "Mommy/Daddy, so-and-so told me that the way I got here is because daddy put his pee-pee in your pee-pee, is that true?".

Now, do you have kids? I do, and the thought of either of mine coming home that young and asking me or my husband that question is quite horrific. But it's happening, kids are coming home that young asking mom and dad all about it because they are hearing it from their classmates.

So NO, they are not having sex at 12 or any other age because of a sex ed class. But feel free to live in that la-la land all you want, and say hello to Peter Pan for me

[scarygirl]

12 is not too young IMO, since I've had patients as young as 11 and pregnant. And like someone stated before, I totally agree girls are getting used more than ever before. But I have also realized that's mainly because girls don't seem to respect themselves much these days either.

No. It's not too young. In most young girl's experience it's TOO late. Better to start at age 10. Before I get slammed, I know from my own experience and those that I have worked with at rape crisis. There are young kids as early age 6 getting STDS from sexual abuse. Pregnant by rape. Some girls go through puberty as early as AGE 7. Cases of rape and sexual abuse are often a child's primer to their first sexual experience. It's a horrible thing to have to face. A little education can go a long way.

[scarygirl]

I'm glad to hear some schools are delving into aspects of sex ed. that the abstinence based classes wouldn't dream of doing. Here in my district (TX school), they are full tilt and whole hog on the abstinence based teachings. They start them (run more or less in a seminar format - person standing at the head of the room preaching at the kids) in 5th grade, again in 7th and twice in high school. They speak of the STD's and pregnancy, "that's why you shouldn't." This same district (although in much smaller numbers than the main town district) has had more girls pregnant than I can count on both hands and feet in the last two years - each year and that is just high school. Apparently, they are not seeing the correlation between JUST telling them to not do it and the high numbers. I refused to sign off on the permission slip for both of my boys and will do so with my mini girlie.

Personally, I have started the sex ed talks with all my children at a very young age. Simple terms at first and building from there. Neither my 22 or 18 year old boys has participated in sexual activity. I'm hoping the same for the mini girlie, but I won't take chances... pill, patch, shot, sewing the dang thing closed.. whatever it takes, she'll get the message.

Those who are outraged at the thought of this school having the girls practice condom placement, remember... while you may be teaching your children everything they need to know, other parents clearly are not. Hence the need for schools to do "something" to get it through their pea brains that IF they are going to participate in sexual activity.. they need to make sure THEY are protecting themselves.

All the shit they watch on MTV and them fucked up "reality" shows,all they do is screw each other,they see that shit, and they think it is okay.they should have condom instructions at the end of every show

Yep, that's what I'm talking about. There are kids UNDER 12 watching that crap and they learn so much crap from that. Their education is coming much sooner than 7th grade, and it's from PG13 and R movies and trash tv. That's NOT the way I want my kids to see and learn about sex.

Most of a kid's education come from first hand experience i.e. sexual abuse. I wish someone had told me the facts of life much sooner; at least I would have known the meaning of the act before I was acted upon.

[Melissa]

12 is not too young IMO, since I've had patients as young as 11 and pregnant. And like someone stated before, I totally agree girls are getting used more than ever before. But I have also realized that's mainly because girls don't seem to respect themselves much these days either.

No. It's not too young. In most young girl's experience it's TOO late. Better to start at age 10. Before I get slammed, I know from my own experience and those that I have worked with at rape crisis. There are young kids as early age 6 getting STDS from sexual abuse. Pregnant by rape. Some girls go through puberty as early as AGE 7. Cases of rape and sexual abuse are often a child's primer to their first sexual experience. It's a horrible thing to have to face. A little education can go a long way.

I agree. My son has already gotten the talk from both my husband and I regarding anyone trying anything innappropriate with him once we knew he was certainly able to understand. Our daughter will get the same once she's able to understand.

But unfortunately there are children who are way too young to understand any of it and they are being abused. And even way younger than 6 getting STD's. I took care of a 3 year old not too long ago who tested positive for chlamydia.

I agree with you. It's just easier for some people I guess to live in fantasy and turn their head and act like none of these things ever happen.

[scarygirl]

12 is not too young IMO, since I've had patients as young as 11 and pregnant. And like someone stated before, I totally agree girls are getting used more than ever before. But I have also realized that's mainly because girls don't seem to respect themselves much these days either.

No. It's not too young. In most young girl's experience it's TOO late. Better to start at age 10. Before I get slammed, I know from my own experience and those that I have worked with at rape crisis. There are young kids as early age 6 getting STDS from sexual abuse. Pregnant by rape. Some girls go through puberty as early as AGE 7. Cases of rape and sexual abuse are often a child's primer to their first sexual experience. It's a horrible thing to have to face. A little education can go a long way.

I agree. My son has already gotten the talk from both my husband and I regarding anyone trying anything innappropriate with him once we knew he was certainly able to understand. Our daughter will get the same once she's able to understand.

But unfortunately there are children who are way too young to understand any of it and they are being abused. And even way younger than 6 getting STD's. I took care of a 3 year old not too long ago who tested positive for chlamydia.

I agree with you. It's just easier for some people I guess to live in fantasy and turn their head and act like none of these things ever happen.

I was about to say, kids as young as 3. You also hear horrific stories of infants being rape. No telling what STDs they're carrying probably for their natural born life through no fault of their own.

[Melissa]

12 is not too young IMO, since I've had patients as young as 11 and pregnant. And like someone stated before, I totally agree girls are getting used more than ever before. But I have also realized that's mainly because girls don't seem to respect themselves much these days either.

No. It's not too young. In most young girl's experience it's TOO late. Better to start at age 10. Before I get slammed, I know from my own experience and those that I have worked with at rape crisis. There are young kids as early age 6 getting STDS from sexual abuse. Pregnant by rape. Some girls go through puberty as early as AGE 7. Cases of rape and sexual abuse are often a child's primer to their first sexual experience. It's a horrible thing to have to face. A little education can go a long way.

I agree. My son has already gotten the talk from both my husband and I regarding anyone trying anything innappropriate with him once we knew he was certainly able to understand. Our daughter will get the same once she's able to understand.

But unfortunately there are children who are way too young to understand any of it and they are being abused. And even way younger than 6 getting STD's. I took care of a 3 year old not too long ago who tested positive for chlamydia.

I agree with you. It's just easier for some people I guess to live in fantasy and turn their head and act like none of these things ever happen.

I was about to say, kids as young as 3. You also hear horrific stories of infants being rape. No telling what STDs they're carrying probably for their natural born life through no fault of their own.

Oh believe me I know. The worst abuse case I've ever seen with my job was a 7 month old baby boy, at the hands of his mother's boyfriend (supposedly the baby's biological father was not in the child's life). I won't bother with details since I'm sure someone would get pissed at me for saying so, but I will say after tremendous blood loss (which doesn't take much for an infant) and despite surgery to try to save him, he didn't make it. And I can't help but think to this day, as awful as this sounds, that was probably the best for him.

[DrFU]

.Kids are going to try shit out behind you back and lie to your face

Yes, they absolutely are; everyone's kids ...




Source: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_ATSRH.html

[donnaplease]

I'm glad to hear some schools are delving into aspects of sex ed. that the abstinence based classes wouldn't dream of doing. Here in my district (TX school), they are full tilt and whole hog on the abstinence based teachings. They start them (run more or less in a seminar format - person standing at the head of the room preaching at the kids) in 5th grade, again in 7th and twice in high school. They speak of the STD's and pregnancy, "that's why you shouldn't." This same district (although in much smaller numbers than the main town district) has had more girls pregnant than I can count on both hands and feet in the last two years - each year and that is just high school. Apparently, they are not seeing the correlation between JUST telling them to not do it and the high numbers. I refused to sign off on the permission slip for both of my boys and will do so with my mini girlie.

Personally, I have started the sex ed talks with all my children at a very young age. Simple terms at first and building from there. Neither my 22 or 18 year old boys has participated in sexual activity. I'm hoping the same for the mini girlie, but I won't take chances... pill, patch, shot, sewing the dang thing closed.. whatever it takes, she'll get the message.

Those who are outraged at the thought of this school having the girls practice condom placement, remember... while you may be teaching your children everything they need to know, other parents clearly are not. Hence the need for schools to do "something" to get it through their pea brains that IF they are going to participate in sexual activity.. they need to make sure THEY are protecting themselves.

All the shit they watch on MTV and them fucked up "reality" shows,all they do is screw each other,they see that shit, and they think it is okay.they should have condom instructions at the end of every show

Yep, that's what I'm talking about. There are kids UNDER 12 watching that crap and they learn so much crap from that. Their education is coming much sooner than 7th grade, and it's from PG13 and R movies and trash tv. That's NOT the way I want my kids to see and learn about sex.

Most of a kid's education come from first hand experience i.e. sexual abuse. I wish someone had told me the facts of life much sooner; at least I would have known the meaning of the act before I was acted upon.

First off, I'm sorry for your experience, SG. That is a horrible thing to happen to a child at any age. Please, let's not confuse the two situations, though. I live in a very rural, conservative area. The children are taught about 'inappropriate' behaviors as early as kindergarten I believe, but taught by the guidance department. Our 'family life' curriculum is taught starting the fourth grade with bodily changes, then each year it gets more specific and geared toward sexual activity and it's consequences. Our school district teaches an 'abstinance only' program but the children are told if they have any questions, to come speak to the nurse individually and specific items can be discussed if necessary, or the appropriate resources can be found. I know this because I was a school nurse, and responsible for this education. Basic information, and each child was told to talk to a parent or other trusted adult with any questions that they had. I don't expect our school district to ever use condoms and cucumbers as part of it's curricula, but I could be wrong.

I also taught sex-ed to a junior high group for a year. I found that one of the best deterrents was talking about the rate of death and illness that teenagers in the various public health districts (info obtained from the health department) related to STDs. It was staggering. I don't remember the details now, but it seemed like somewhere around one in four teenagers in the Washington, DC area had a reported STD. That was staggering!

Really, I believe it doesn't matter how much information you give these young people, some will take advantage of it, some will not. And, in my experience, the girls were MUCH more eager to participate than the boys. I'm very torn between the ideas of whether or not to teach the kids about condoms, getting my girls on birth control as soon as they might become sexually active, etc. My oldest daughter is 11, and so I'm fast approaching that time. I just hope that by TALKING to her, openly and honestly, that she will make good decisions, and protect herself in whatever manner she needs to.

[Rip Rokken]

You must have taken the same class.

Well, I audited it. They had a slot open for me. Several, actually.

[bluejeangirl76]

You must have taken the same class.

Well, I audited it. They had a slot open for me. Several, actually.

Best post in the thread.

[scarygirl]

I'm glad to hear some schools are delving into aspects of sex ed. that the abstinence based classes wouldn't dream of doing. Here in my district (TX school), they are full tilt and whole hog on the abstinence based teachings. They start them (run more or less in a seminar format - person standing at the head of the room preaching at the kids) in 5th grade, again in 7th and twice in high school. They speak of the STD's and pregnancy, "that's why you shouldn't." This same district (although in much smaller numbers than the main town district) has had more girls pregnant than I can count on both hands and feet in the last two years - each year and that is just high school. Apparently, they are not seeing the correlation between JUST telling them to not do it and the high numbers. I refused to sign off on the permission slip for both of my boys and will do so with my mini girlie.

Personally, I have started the sex ed talks with all my children at a very young age. Simple terms at first and building from there. Neither my 22 or 18 year old boys has participated in sexual activity. I'm hoping the same for the mini girlie, but I won't take chances... pill, patch, shot, sewing the dang thing closed.. whatever it takes, she'll get the message.

Those who are outraged at the thought of this school having the girls practice condom placement, remember... while you may be teaching your children everything they need to know, other parents clearly are not. Hence the need for schools to do "something" to get it through their pea brains that IF they are going to participate in sexual activity.. they need to make sure THEY are protecting themselves.

All the shit they watch on MTV and them fucked up "reality" shows,all they do is screw each other,they see that shit, and they think it is okay.they should have condom instructions at the end of every show

Yep, that's what I'm talking about. There are kids UNDER 12 watching that crap and they learn so much crap from that. Their education is coming much sooner than 7th grade, and it's from PG13 and R movies and trash tv. That's NOT the way I want my kids to see and learn about sex.

Most of a kid's education come from first hand experience i.e. sexual abuse. I wish someone had told me the facts of life much sooner; at least I would have known the meaning of the act before I was acted upon.

First off, I'm sorry for your experience, SG. That is a horrible thing to happen to a child at any age. Please, let's not confuse the two situations, though. I live in a very rural, conservative area. The children are taught about 'inappropriate' behaviors as early as kindergarten I believe, but taught by the guidance department. Our 'family life' curriculum is taught starting the fourth grade with bodily changes, then each year it gets more specific and geared toward sexual activity and it's consequences. Our school district teaches an 'abstinance only' program but the children are told if they have any questions, to come speak to the nurse individually and specific items can be discussed if necessary, or the appropriate resources can be found. I know this because I was a school nurse, and responsible for this education. Basic information, and each child was told to talk to a parent or other trusted adult with any questions that they had. I don't expect our school district to ever use condoms and cucumbers as part of it's curricula, but I could be wrong.

I also taught sex-ed to a junior high group for a year. I found that one of the best deterrents was talking about the rate of death and illness that teenagers in the various public health districts (info obtained from the health department) related to STDs. It was staggering. I don't remember the details now, but it seemed like somewhere around one in four teenagers in the Washington, DC area had a reported STD. That was staggering!

Really, I believe it doesn't matter how much information you give these young people, some will take advantage of it, some will not. And, in my experience, the girls were MUCH more eager to participate than the boys. I'm very torn between the ideas of whether or not to teach the kids about condoms, getting my girls on birth control as soon as they might become sexually active, etc. My oldest daughter is 11, and so I'm fast approaching that time. I just hope that by TALKING to her, openly and honestly, that she will make good decisions, and protect herself in whatever manner she needs to.

I agree with you. I think there is a fine line. Of encouraging. But knowledge can defend just as much. I think it absolutely essential for kids to know the dangers of STDs and such. Forget pregnancy. There has to be a change in behavior. However, I think it is ludicrous for our religious authoriities to deny the effectiveness of condoms and bc in thartwing the extreme poverty and disease that has devestated so many countries. If these women had a choice. iF they were educated. The men too.Ocourse, I am talking about a whole another subject now

[Rip Rokken]

You must have taken the same class.

Well, I audited it. They had a slot open for me. Several, actually.

Best post in the thread.

Glad to know my jokes don't rub you the wrong way. Did you change colors after reading it?

[bluejeangirl76]

You must have taken the same class.

Well, I audited it. They had a slot open for me. Several, actually.

Best post in the thread.

Glad to know my jokes don't rub you the wrong way. Did you change colors after reading it?

Yeah. But for some reason I turned sky blue. I think that means it's going to rain.

[WiseOldTabbyCat]

I became aware at the tender age of 4, no lie.

When I was born, mother and father bought me a myriad of books to get me started in life, and this one in particular was called "Mummy Laid an Egg" (it's a great laugh for any age). It's about a brother and sister and their bored parents who decide its time to tell their kids about the birds and the bees, so they give them an elaborate run-through of all the fables, i.e. Babies come from cabbage patches. The kids are puzzled, and instead give their parents a run through of how babies are really made.

The book pretty much taught me the fundamentals, that Y goes into X, that Y releases seeds that race towards the egg inside X and that soon becomes a baby, etc. The book features graphic and hilarious childishly drawn pictures of mummy and daddy christening their new sheets. Despite that I did not quite grasp that area, and did not learn how Y fitted into X until I was 6, I'm happy to say.

And I did not learn about orgasms and bodily pleasure until I was 11.

[Blueskies]

Waaaaayyyyy to many long posts in this thread. Big ol' block paragraphs too! Y'all talk too much!

[donnaplease]

The book pretty much taught me the fundamentals, that Y goes into X, that Y releases seeds that race towards the egg inside X and that soon becomes a baby, etc.

My kids just watched the first 5 minutes of "Look Who's Talking"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-2cTzAj4dU