President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[lights1961]

openly... key word... you guys wanted the whole war to fail... harry reid boasted about it... saying THE WAR IS LOST... look it up...

As if the spilt blood of Democrats didn't seep into the sands over there?
Liberals and sane-Conservatives (Novak, Buchanan, Tucker etc) recognized the war as a bad idea from the start.
Nobody was rooting for more death.
Huge difference.

And if the Conservatives had any rock-ribbed ideals of the their own, they wouldn't have let a Neo-Con administration come to power and fundamentally mutate their movement.

please, so BS TNC... not even funny... but believe what you believe... I tell you come back in three years when you are taking home 30% of your paycheck....to pay for everyone else who takes and takes and takes...





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[Ehwmatt]

openly... key word... you guys wanted the whole war to fail... harry reid boasted about it... saying THE WAR IS LOST... look it up...

And if the Conservatives had any rock-ribbed ideals of the their own, they wouldn't have let a Neo-Con administration come to power and fundamentally mutate their movement.

I don't disagree with you TNC in regards to the Neocon movement tainting some conservative ideals. But truthfully, I think in 8-12 years, it'll be pretty easy to say the same thing about the liberals hijacking and mutilating the Democratic party...

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't disagree with you TNC in regards to the Neocon movement tainting some conservative ideals. But truthfully, I think in 8-12 years, it'll be pretty easy to say the same thing about the liberals hijacking and mutilating the Democratic party...

Not sure.
In comparison to FDR or a progressive like Teddy Roosevelt, the Dems are now a subsidiary of big business just like the Repubs.
Since Reagan, the GOP has swung right.
Moderate elements like Specter amd Snow are a dying breed.
The Dems, on the other hand, starting with Carter, have also become pro-deregulation and anti-big government (in rhetoric, if not in practice).
Obama has been liberal in some areas, but his Wall Street financial team might as well have been working for McCain.
Geithner is a disgrace.

[Ehwmatt]

I don't disagree with you TNC in regards to the Neocon movement tainting some conservative ideals. But truthfully, I think in 8-12 years, it'll be pretty easy to say the same thing about the liberals hijacking and mutilating the Democratic party...

Not sure.
In comparison to FDR or a progressive like Teddy Roosevelt, the Dems are a subsidiary of big business just like the Repubs.
Since Reagan, the GOP has swung right.
Moderate elements like Specter amd Snow are a dying breed.
The Dems, on the other hand, starting with Carter, have been pro-deregulation and anti-big government in rhetoric, if not in practice.
Obama has been liberal in some areas, but his Wall Street financial team might as well have been working for McCain.
Geithner is a disgrace.

Time will only tell. Totally agree with you about Geithner. It blows my mind to hear some defending him merely because of who appointed him.

[Jana]

Fifty-nine pages and only 100 days in office. This is going to be one long thread - eight years' worth.

[bluejeangirl76]

Fifty-nine pages and only 100 days in office. This is going to be one long thread - eight years' worth.

Well, this is the "term one" thread, so it's only 4 years.
That will put us at 861.4 pages by the end of term one, at the rate of 59 pages per 100 days.
1722.8 pages in 8 years if both terms stay in one thread. Yeah, I'm that bored right now.

[Saint John]

lol...why would a low flying plane in NEW YORK create panic?!?!


NEW YORK (Reuters) – One of President Barack Obama's official planes flanked by an Air Force fighter jet flew low over the Statue of Liberty on Monday for a photo opportunity that reminded startled New Yorkers of the September 11 attacks.

The White House Military Office apologized for the mission, which infuriated New York City officials and prompted hundreds of financial professionals to flee their office buildings.

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg criticized the federal government and his own administration for failing to warn the public, which was shocked by the image of a jumbo jet flanked by an F-16 flying near the World Trade Center site.

"The good news is it was nothing more than an inconsiderate, badly conceived and insensitive photo op with the taxpayers' money," Bloomberg told reporters.

"They should know how sensitive people would be if they had low-flying planes down around the World Trade Center site," said Bloomberg, adding that he was "furious."

New Yorkers remain sensitive to any incident evocative of the 2001 attacks, which involved hijacked airliners that destroyed the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center.

The U.S. Air Force said the "aerial photo mission" involved an F-16 fighter jet escort and one of the Boeing 747s designated as Air Force One when the president is aboard, which he was not. Police and the Federal Aviation Administration said three aircraft were approved for the mission.

Police said federal authorities told them not to disclose the information and to direct any inquiries to the FAA. Bloomberg blamed a breakdown in City Hall communications, saying he would have protested had he known in advance.

Louis Caldera, director of the White House Military Office, said in a statement he approved the mission and took responsibility for the decision.

"While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, it's clear that the mission created confusion and disruption. I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused," Caldera said.

Employees at the New York Mercantile Exchange, Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch and other institutions evacuated their buildings, and hundreds of others called the 911 emergency response line, City Councilman Daniel Garodnick wrote in a letter of complaint to the FAA.

"Thousands of people filled the streets in lower Manhattan, fearing the worst. If we had had advance warning, we could have advised our constituents not to be alarmed," Garodnick said.

Dominick Caglioti, an independent commodities trader who works next to the site where the Twin Towers formerly stood, said, "We took it upon ourselves to leave the building. We asked police downstairs about it, and they said they didn't know anything. It could have caused some real panic."

[Andrew]

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Ease up there mate...

[Indyjoe]

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Honestly when this is where you go I don't get why ANYONE would read anything you have to say ever. Although sadly I just did.

Disgusting.

However, you proved her point.

[donnaplease]

i'm all for defending someone but not tnc who deserves what he gets...

And just who, exactly, would want YOU covering their back in a battle of wits?
That’s like being in a foxhole with Larry Storch from F-Troop.
As far as I’m concerned, you are the rickets-afflicted, spazz waterboy of the MR debate team.
The only time you put forward a compelling, well-thought-out argument is every time you tell a john to leave the lights off.

…he has it coming to him

Trafficking in death threats now are we?
When Obama legalizes euthanasia, I hope your retard caretakers don’t delay in finding your organs a more worthwhile home.
Hell, I’ll even throw my hat in for your head.
I’d like to mount it in my parlor room and lob darts right between your beady crosseyed mongoloid face.
As it stands, you are dumber than brine shrimp cultured in stale piss.

Honestly when this is where you go I don't get why ANYONE would read anything you have to say ever. Although sadly I just did.

Disgusting.

However you made her point.

Agreed. That was the worst thing I've seen around here in a while (if ever). It doesn't need to get to this.

To lighten the mood a little, I did find a reference to Obama apologizing that I think some might find interesting.

http://www.nhfacts.com/site/node/1045

[Blueskies]

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I know you are clever and going for a laugh and didn't mean any of this seriously but dude....that goes further then what I had admonished Stu for! It's better to stick to the issues and debate your opinions and produce the facts behind them rather then try to rip each others jugular out. What reading I have done in this thread I have agreed with you on the issues more often than not but I think you are wrong in this conduct. This is just my opinion..I'm no moderator and you sure don't have to listen to my advice but in my opinion you need to chill out on the personal attacks. True, I haven't read this whole thread to know the history of things said between you and Tree....she may have been out of line before too...so I'm only going by this post and imo this is waaayyy over the top. Thats only a way to lose respect for anything else you have to say and peeps will stop listening all together...and if you leave where is the counter balance to FF?

[G.I.Jim]

He fully admitted to trying cocaine

Link?
As far as I know Bush never mentioned cocaine use.

He also had an affair and made the entire country look like idiots to the rest of the world with his "Can you define sexual relations?" comments. And THIS is your hero?

Great.
And Eleanor Roosevelt was a known box muncher.
Presidents throughout history have gotten action on the side, nobody cared until the GOP merged with the sexophobic religious right.

Give me some facts or proof of Bush intentionally lying...

How about this one for starters...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6LtL9lCTRA

They've stopped many attacks before they happened on American soil

When you throw the constitution under the bus, it's pretty easy to do anything.
As a soldier, didn't you swear to uphold an oath?
When the dust settles, Bush will be held in the same historical contempt as Woodrow Wilson, John Adams, and Nixon - if he's isn't already.

I don't know enough about your president (love all of his nominees! ) to make too harsh of a judgement, but I keep hearing him say over and over how the Bush administration left us with a HUGE deficit.....I don't recall Bush spending anywhere NEAR what he has done with the stimulus package.

Did Bush include the costs of his wars on the books like Obama is doing?

Why bash Bush, yet make matters 10 times worse???

Yes, let's cut spending in a recession when the problem is there's no spending. Brilliant.
At least Obama's budget includes expenditures for things like high speed rail and digitalizing health records that will benefit society at large and possibly cut the defecit.
What does Bush have to show for his era of drunken spendthriftery?

Our kids, kids, kids, kids, kids, kids, kids (feel free to add a few more) will NEVER be able to repay that debt. Seems pretty damn retarded to me!

Should've teabagged en masse when Bush first took a buzzsaw to the Clinton surplus.

1. I will concede on the cocaine...I researched it, and apparently I was thinking about the leaked story from Fox, and thought that he had admitted it. I'll give you that one, and I was wrong.

2. Who the hell cares if Eleanor Roosevelt munched carpet? Was SHE President? How many affairs did Clinton have? Now, answer how many have Reagan, Bush Sr, or Bush JR had?

3. While he is saying in the video that the U.S. doesn't torture people, there are a few different ways to look at this...

(a) He doesn't believe that waterboarding someone is torture, but merely a non-harmfull means of abstracting information (which is what I believe).

(b) He doesn't believe that terrorists should be classified as "people", but should be considered murderous animals. (I also believe this).

(c) He informed Congress about these procedures, and was given the go-ahead!

4. While we're on the issue of lying, let's hear about a few...

(a) Bill Clinton- Lying about having sexual relations with Monica Lewinski
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClfpG2-1Bv4

(b) Hillary Clinton- lying about EVERYTHING!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxyrWRUfe1c

(c) Obama- lying about everything!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H64yKJhB ... PL&index=2

5. The constitution has always been ammended and changed throughout our country's existence. They didn't have cell phones to tap back when it was written, nor did they have digital forms of communication that (if monitored) could help us catch terrorist's who where plotting to destroy this country! And to answer your other part of this question...Yes I did swear an oath. Is it any of your business?

6. Even if Bush DID put all of the war expenses on the books....would it equal what Obama proposed?

7. I didn't say to stop spending dumbass! Go back and read what I said. I'm not against spending. I am however against spending more than we as a country will ever be able to earn and repay. I'm also against raising taxes! Why would we raise taxes at a time when spending is down, and jobs are being cut at record rates??? How is that going to help matters? It's going to push a lot of companies out of business, and cause even MORE layoffs. Brilliant!

8. Bush has been very liberal with his spending (which is one of my beefs with him, as I've stated on here before). We did have a surplus. In his defense though...how many lengthy military conflicts did Clinton have to deal with? Oh yeah...he was busy releasing detainees (not terrorists), so that they could prepare a plan for flying planes into the Twin Towers, AND the White House!

To counter some of Bush's spending though... How many natural disasters did Clinton have to deal with (which could have been avoided if the freaking state had spent the money allocated for the levy that it recieved! ) that cost us anywhere NEAR what Katrina cost?

9. Finally, why is it that you only quote and discuss what you know will further your arguement? You failed to include the treatment that Bush gives to his Secret Service agents (as well as anyone else I've ever read about). He treats people the way he would want to be treated. He not only cooks for people all the time, but he also SERVES them. That's a sign of a true leader. NOT a politician. He knows all of his employees AND their families on a 1st name basis. Hillary and Bill call the Secret Service agents (who train to give their LIVES) "Trained personal pigs". Hillary doesn't let them make eye contact, and makes them keep a distance of 10 yards.

you can say all you want about your heros, but (and I'll state it again!) I believe that you read people's character based on how they treat and interact with others...NOT what they state about themselves. Barrack hung out with a known terrorist, and sat in front of a pastor for YEARS and agreed enough with his messages of "God Damn America" to stay seated. That is, until it was made public. Then he wanted nothing more to do with the church. Kinda funny how that works. His wife has stated (which I know you've stated that you disagree with, and I appreciate the honesty) that America deserves what happens to it.

If you want to support this kind of president...more power to you, but I think the next election is going to look a LOT different. Bush did fuck up a LOT in some areas (spending, immigration, etc...) but after this country gets nailed with outrageous taxes, and ridiculous spending...it'll be ready for a conservative president who knows how to take care of the country and it's needs.

[donnaplease]

Good post, GI Jim. I agree most of all about the character issue. I am not as well-read as many of the participants in this thread on both sides of the aisle, and I don't pretend to know all there is to know about politics. My admiration for the character of GWB as he stood on top of that pile of rubble in New York is what earned my respect. IDK if I'm swayed by the politics of it or not, but BO just doesn't seem trustworthy to me, based on all I've seen and heard by and about him. I saw a genuineness in Bush that I don't see in Obama. The fact that he's a big goofball and revels in it makes me trust him more. He's REAL.

Character counts.

[Eric]

michelle obama's comment was misunderstood. i completely support what she said and understood the sentiment. it is one of those things when quoted loses it's message. i won't bother debating it at this point, been there, done that.

as for the patriotism of presidnet obama, not worth debating. you either see it or you don't. jana said it best- we can question bush's patriotism over some of his actions.

I strongly disagree that it was misunderstood.

I believe she thinks the USA is highly flawed, and overlooks things like helping to "tear down this wall" prefering to complaining about racism over a half century ago.

Listen to her disgust towards USA at the end of this :46 second clip. "Thats JUST America...KUH"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BogJvgdH ... L&index=36

I suspect living in the White House HAS to be changing her feelings though.

[JH'sTXfan]

Good post, GI Jim.

I'll second that.

[Blueskies]

i'm all for defending someone but not tnc who deserves what he gets...

And just who, exactly, would want YOU covering their back in a battle of wits?
That’s like being in a foxhole with Larry Storch from F-Troop.
As far as I’m concerned, you are the rickets-afflicted, spazz waterboy of the MR debate team.
The only time you put forward a compelling, well-thought-out argument is every time you tell a john to leave the lights off.

…he has it coming to him

Trafficking in death threats now are we?
When Obama legalizes euthanasia, I hope your retard caretakers don’t delay in finding your organs a more worthwhile home.
Hell, I’ll even throw my hat in for your head.
I’d like to mount it in my parlor room and lob darts right between your beady crosseyed mongoloid face.
As it stands, you are dumber than brine shrimp cultured in stale piss.

I know you are clever and going for a laugh and didn't mean any of this seriously but dude....that goes further then what I had admonished Stu for! It's better to stick to the issues and debate your opinions and produce the facts behind them rather then try to rip each others jugular out. The reading I have one in this thread I have agreed with you on the issues more often than not but I think you are wrong in this conduct. This is just my opinion..I'm no moderator and you sure don't have to listen to my advice but in my opinion you need to chill out on the personal attacks. True, I haven't read this whole thread to know the history of things said between you and Tree....she may have been out of line before too...so I'm only going by this post and this is waaayyy over the top. Thats only a way to lose respect for anything else you have to say and peeps will stop listening all together...and if you leave where is the counter balance to FF?

Counter balance? "brine shrimp cultured in stale piss" Who can balance that?

You KNOW thats not what I meant to counter balance!

[The_Noble_Cause]

i'm all for defending someone but not tnc who deserves what he gets...

And just who, exactly, would want YOU covering their back in a battle of wits?
That’s like being in a foxhole with Larry Storch from F-Troop.
As far as I’m concerned, you are the rickets-afflicted, spazz waterboy of the MR debate team.
The only time you put forward a compelling, well-thought-out argument is every time you tell a john to leave the lights off.

…he has it coming to him

Trafficking in death threats now are we?

[Andrew]

You are a contemptable person and should I ever meet you I will spit in your face you coward.

This is getting way out of hand folks.

[RossValoryRocks]

You are a contemptable person and should I ever meet you I will spit in your face you coward.

This is getting way out of hand folks.

Message recieved.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Real quick points....

1. I will concede on the cocaine...I researched it, and apparently I was thinking about the leaked story from Fox, and thought that he had admitted it. I'll give you that one, and I was wrong.

Thanks. I appreciate that.

2. Who the hell cares if Eleanor Roosevelt munched carpet? Was SHE President? How many affairs did Clinton have? Now, answer how many have Reagan, Bush Sr, or Bush JR had?

Her husband, the President, engaged in affairs too.
And was allegedly even in the throes of one at Warm Springs where he died.
Look,
Jefferson fucked slaves.
Grover Cleaveland had an out of wedlock bastard child.
James Buchanan sucked a cock.
None of this means anything in the scheme of history.
The fact that we excessively concern ourselves with it today, speaks volumes about the dumbing down of the electorate and the press.

3. While he is saying in the video that the U.S. doesn't torture people, there are a few different ways to look at this...

(a) He doesn't believe that waterboarding someone is torture, but merely a non-harmful means of abstracting information (which is what I believe).

There is no basis for this in fact.
We have prosecuted the action every time it’s been committed to us – including court martialing our own troops for using it.
Waterboarding is drowning someone. Period.
It’s hardly “non-harmful.”

(b) He doesn't believe that terrorists should be classified as "people", but should be considered murderous animals. (I also believe this).

Lots of generalizations being flung here.
How do you know who’s a terrorist if they can’t challenge their own detention, as Bush initially had it?
How many detainees at Gitmo were rounded up in raids and don’t belong there?
Why are you running from the same system of law and order that sentenced Timothy McVeigh and Ramzi Yousef to justice?

(c) He informed Congress about these procedures, and was given the go-ahead!

This is murky ground.
The Senate Intelligence Committees are briefed and told to keep info on the DL.
And, if Pelosi is to be believed, they were not told the whole truth.
Congress notwithstanding, there are laws on the books against torture.
Uphold them or change them

4. While we're on the issue of lying, let's hear about a few...

(a) Bill Clinton- Lying about having sexual relations with Monica Lewinski
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClfpG2-1Bv4

(b) Hillary Clinton- lying about EVERYTHING!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxyrWRUfe1c

(c) Obama- lying about everything!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H64yKJhB ... PL&index=2

I’ve never been so naive to say a politician doesn’t lie.
You are showing me nothing.
Also, none of the aforementioned examples are on the scale of lies about war crimes or trampling on the 4th amendment.

5. The constitution has always been ammended and changed throughout our country's existence. They didn't have cell phones to tap back when it was written, nor did they have digital forms of communication that (if monitored) could help us catch terrorist's who where plotting to destroy this country!

Great.
But Bush didn’t change the laws.
He ignored them.
HUGE difference.
Congress even changed FISA as part of the Patriot Act to make wiretapping easier for law enforcement, and Bush still went around the law.

And to answer your other part of this question...Yes I did swear an oath. Is it any of your business?

I would like to think that, if you took the words to heart, you’d be standing on the same side of strict constitutionality as the Ron Pauls’ and Bruce Feins’of the world- and not wallpapering over executive high crimes.
I'm not impugning your service, I just don't understand how you can defend the indefensible.

6. Even if Bush DID put all of the war expenses on the books....would it equal what Obama proposed?

Over 100 billion of the budget is devoted to war costs.
Of course, it doesn’t equal the scope of a stimulus budget.
Why would it?

8. Bush has been very liberal with his spending (which is one of my beefs with him, as I've stated on here before). We did have a surplus. In his defense though...how many lengthy military conflicts did Clinton have to deal with? Oh yeah...he was busy releasing detainees (not terrorists), so that they could prepare a plan for flying planes into the Twin Towers, AND the White House!

First off, what military scuffles Clinton did engage in where routinely fought against by the Right – including strikes against Osama.
As far as releasing the 9-11 hijackers… I know nothing about this.
Woodward, PBS, and other sources reported that the NSA had the flight school guys in their sights, there was just a failure to share intel.
Also, Bush’s military conflict in Iraq was a 3 trillion dollar war of choice.

To counter some of Bush's spending though... How many natural disasters did Clinton have to deal with (which could have been avoided if the freaking state had spent the money allocated for the levy that it recieved! ) that cost us anywhere NEAR what Katrina cost?

I’ve never heard this.
Pre-dating Katrina, the New Orleans Times Picayune even chronicled how money that would’ve went to the Army Corps of Engineers was being diverted to Iraq.

9. Finally, why is it that you only quote and discuss what you know will further your arguement? You failed to include the treatment that Bush gives to his Secret Service agents (as well as anyone else I've ever read about). He treats people the way he would want to be treated. He not only cooks for people all the time, but he also SERVES them. That's a sign of a true leader. NOT a politician. He knows all of his employees AND their families on a 1st name basis. Hillary and Bill call the Secret Service agents (who train to give their LIVES) "Trained personal pigs". Hillary doesn't let them make eye contact, and makes them keep a distance of 10 yards.

Because this is the equivalent of saying Hitler loved dogs.
What the President does behind closed doors isn't the measure of their legacy.
For every heartwarming personal story about Bush, I can direct you to one like Tucker Carlson reporting on Bush chuckling as he reminisced about sentencing a woman to death.

Also, I don't care about the Clintons.
Alan Greenspan called Bubba "the best Republican president ever" and his track record of disastrous deregulatory policies confirm that (NAFTA, Telecomm Act, Repeal of Glass-Steagall et al).

If you want to support this kind of president...more power to you, but I think the next election is going to look a LOT different. Bush did fuck up a LOT in some areas (spending, immigration, etc...) but after this country gets nailed with outrageous taxes, and ridiculous spending...it'll be ready for a conservative president who knows how to take care of the country and it's needs.

Keep waiting.
Even the GOP's ideological lodestar, Ronald Reagan, raised more taxes than any other peacetime president.

[Rockindeano]

Arlen Spector to switch parties.

Filibuster proof majority in Senate. Uh oh.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30456741/

[Barb]

Arlen Spector to switch parties.

Filibuster proof majority in Senate. Uh oh.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30456741/

No one should be surprised by this one. You can have him!

[Rockindeano]

Arlen Spector to switch parties.

Filibuster proof majority in Senate. Uh oh.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30456741/

No one should be surprised by this one. You can have him!

Now there is rumblings that Olympia Snow is going to follow.

Spin all you want, but no republican with a heartbeat says, "you can have him" when they are one single vote away from a filibuster majority. Spector is a reasonable guy and the inner looking, close minded religious extreme GOP chased him out. There may very well be a Conservative party and GOP in 2013. The GOP may never see power again. They have given up all but the South. Used to be all they needed was the South and one big blue state, but that formula doesn't work, because they are so far away from picking up a single blue state.

[Barb]

Arlen Spector to switch parties.

Filibuster proof majority in Senate. Uh oh.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30456741/

No one should be surprised by this one. You can have him!

Now there is rumblings that Olympia Snow is going to follow.

Spin all you want, but no republican with a heartbeat says, "you can have him" when they are one single vote away from a filibuster majority. Spector is a reasonable guy and the inner looking, close minded religious extreme GOP chased him out. There may very well be a Conservative party and GOP in 2013. The GOP may never see power again. They have given up all but the South. Used to be all they needed was the South and one big blue state, but that formula doesn't work, because they are so far away from picking up a single blue state.

I have no allegiance to the Republican party -- only to conservative values. Snow & Specter are not conservatives, so who cares what party they belong to?

[Rockindeano]

Arlen Spector to switch parties.

Filibuster proof majority in Senate. Uh oh.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30456741/

No one should be surprised by this one. You can have him!

No shit, this makes my day. He's yours now Deano.

Thank you kindly. We have our 60 votes thanks to Arlen and to the people of the State of Minnesota. We'll gladly take Snow as well.

Appreciate it.

The problem is, you have many like Spector in your party. They're called "Moderates." The problem you all have now is, there is no place for a moderate in the GOP. Spin til you're blue in the face, but this is not something you smile about and move on. This is grave concern for anyone with a brain who wears the elephant.

[Barb]

Arlen Spector to switch parties.

Filibuster proof majority in Senate. Uh oh.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30456741/

No one should be surprised by this one. You can have him!

No shit, this makes my day. He's yours now Deano.

Thank you kindly. We have our 60 votes thanks to Arlen

You would have his vote anyway. That's my whole point.

[G.I.Jim]

Arlen Spector to switch parties.

Filibuster proof majority in Senate. Uh oh.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30456741/

No one should be surprised by this one. You can have him!

No shit, this makes my day. He's yours now Deano.

Thank you kindly. We have our 60 votes thanks to Arlen and to the people of the State of Minnesota. We'll gladly take Snow as well.

Appreciate it.

The problem is, you have many like Spector in your party. They're called "Moderates." The problem you all have now is, there is no place for a moderate in the GOP. Spin til you're blue in the face, but this is not something you smile about and move on. This is grave concern for anyone with a brain .

There, I fixed it for you...don't mention it!

[RossValoryRocks]

Arlen Spector to switch parties.

Filibuster proof majority in Senate. Uh oh.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30456741/

No one should be surprised by this one. You can have him!

No shit, this makes my day. He's yours now Deano.

Thank you kindly. We have our 60 votes thanks to Arlen and to the people of the State of Minnesota. We'll gladly take Snow as well.

Appreciate it.

The problem is, you have many like Spector in your party. They're called "Moderates." The problem you all have now is, there is no place for a moderate in the GOP. Spin til you're blue in the face, but this is not something you smile about and move on. This is grave concern for anyone with a brain who wears the elephant.

How amazingly shortsighted of you Dean.

You never want ONE party with total control and no way to be slowed or forced to compromise. No matter which party it is.

When the GOP had control, they didn't have a fillibuster proof majority, so they were forced to compromise. No the Democrats can ram whatever they want down our throat. YAY!

You are proving now, no matter WHAT your degree says that you are a political idiot, sorry bro, but that is how it is.

Oh and remember bro, before you start trying to trash me, and point out how much of a sore loser I am, etc etc.: You got what you wanted, just wait, you talk about how it is getting better, it won't it will only get worse, especially after the Democrats start paying back the far left. Remember you asked for it.

You thought Bush was corrupt? Wait until you see what Reid and Pelosi do.

No I have to go, I am meeting friends in a bit for Bruce in Philly.

[Rockindeano]

You are proving now, no matter WHAT your degree says that you are a political idiot, sorry bro, but that is how it is.

Wow, you speak of checks and balances, and then go on to call me an idiot. That's ok, I can take it.

Remember you asked for it.

Good. Conservatism has divided and ultimately crippled this country.

No I have to go, I am meeting friends in a bit for Bruce in Philly.

Don't bullshit me. That show has been sold out for months. It is oversold. And if you did manage to get tickets, he doesn't go on til 815PM and quits at 1100P, despite what the ticket says on it. So don't rush. 27 song setlist. I want a call for the opener, Badlands. You need to prove to me you are going, cocksucker.

[RossValoryRocks]

You are proving now, no matter WHAT your degree says that you are a political idiot, sorry bro, but that is how it is.

Wow, you speak of checks and balances, and then go on to call me an idiot. That's ok, I can take it.

Remember you asked for it.

Good. Conservatism has divided and ultimately crippled this country.

No I have to go, I am meeting friends in a bit for Bruce in Philly.

Don't bullshit me. That show has been sold out for months. It is oversold. And if you did manage to get tickets, he doesn't go on til 815PM and quits at 1100P, despite what the ticket says on it. So don't rush. 27 song setlist. I want a call for the opener, Badlands. You need to prove to me you are going, cocksucker.

Not an idiot...a political idiot and woefully indifferent to the danger one party rule entails.

I will call you around 5:15 your time. I am having dinner with my friends before the show numbnuts. They had the tickets, and since you said you were going 2 weeks ago, I asked around.

I have good connections in Philly, all of my family is there.

Talk to you later...IF you even answer the phone!