People fail to realize this about Steve....

by **portland** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:22 pm

I still that from what I have read about Steve Perry, that he might feel that he reached his pinnacle and he does not want to be less that what he was.....

by **annpea** » Fri May 01, 2009 12:36 am

I, think you may be very much on the right track Portland; for some people your theories hold much truth, for someone like SP who has been to the top of the highest mountain peak there's nowhere but down and down may not be a place he wants to be; so he does nothing but maintain and watch over his untouchable place, just like a mother hen watching over her nest. (Some people often tell me I have a weird way of thinking, oh! well that's just the way I am I guess,) so that's how it plays out to me also Portland :lol:

Oh! by the way please to meet you! my name is Anne.

by **portland** » Fri May 01, 2009 2:12 am

annpea wrote:I, think you may be very much on the right track Portland; for some people your theories hold much truth, for someone like SP who has been to the top of the highest mountain peak there's nowhere but down and down may not be a place he wants to be; so he does nothing but maintain and watch over his untouchable place, just like a mother hen watching over her nest. (Some people often tell me I have a weird way of thinking, oh! well that's just the way I am I guess,) so that's how it plays out to me also Portland Oh! by the way please to meet you! my name is Anne.

Nice to meet you Anne, I am glad you agree...I wish that he would take into consideration that we as fans are not all holding him to that place....I would love to see him sing again, I love his solo works, but I also understand that when he watches himself in Houston in 81 it must almost be hard to look at, who does not want to be young and at the top of their game anymore? Some of this I am sure is partly his own vision of the way everyone views him (I think he seems to care more than most artitsts do) but I get it, just wish it was a different outcome.

Anyway just some thoughts!!! and thanks for the welcome

by **KDOUBLEU** » Fri May 01, 2009 5:28 am

Sounds like a good theory. I think part of his reason is because of what happened between himself and Journey. I think he was very hurt by the breakup remember he wanted the reunion to happen. he couldnt help needing a hip replaced and i think he truely wanted to continue singing. Some people hang on to hurt along time just a thought.

by **kgdjpubs** » Fri May 01, 2009 6:24 am

journey361 wrote:You know what's a shame, Perry didn't start his own band or even join another. I'm talking like a year or 2 after raised on radio. Now that would have been very interesting. Would he have changed his style, tone, etc...

I think the Against the Wall tracks are a fairly good indication of where he was going. Perry was going for an updated Motown sound, both in songs and vocal phrasing. You could hear the start of it on Frontiers, and it was brought to the forefront from Street Talk, becoming more and more prevalent on ROR and the Against the Wall tracks.

by **Jubilee** » Fri May 01, 2009 6:33 am

kgdjpubs wrote:
journey361 wrote:You know what's a shame, Perry didn't start his own band or even join another. I'm talking like a year or 2 after raised on radio. Now that would have been very interesting. Would he have changed his style, tone, etc...

I think the Against the Wall tracks are a fairly good indication of where he was going. Perry was going for an updated Motown sound, both in songs and vocal phrasing. You could hear the start of it on Frontiers, and it was brought to the forefront from Street Talk, becoming more and more prevalent on ROR and the Against the Wall tracks.

You had me all the way up to the Against the Wall tracks. I agree there certainly appeared to be some sort of progression towards a more Motown/R&B sound/influence with Street Talk and ROR, but, IMHO those Against the Wall tracks were a hot mess. They were really neither here nor there. Having said that, I can understand Sony's reluctance and subsequent balking at releasing Against the Wall.

by **portland** » Fri May 01, 2009 6:37 am

It would just be nice to have something from him, not just the "well maybe" someday...it gets old for the people who really believe in his voice, even if it is different from Journey. We all get to wait and defend him (not that we don't want to) because he does not let people know what his intentions are. I mean if he came out said I am all done, then I would be good with it..its the well maybe someday...we all sit here and wait. ARRGH to be a Steve Perry fan :shock:

by **journey361** » Fri May 01, 2009 6:52 am

You know, i have always wondered why someone who has possibly at one time or another walked on water would just be content on not doing anything, really at all except backup vocals that he has done from time to time. I mean, were looking at a individual who was maybe not by his standards on top of the world and you know dam well he has had to live with people in the music bus., fans, family or relatives, e.t.c., that have told him over the years to do something. This is strange to me. I can't help but think something was and is wrong with his voice or it;s a standard issue.

by **portland** » Fri May 01, 2009 8:00 am

journey361 wrote:You know, i have always wondered why someone who has possibly at one time or another walked on water would just be content on not doing anything, really at all except backup vocals that he has done from time to time. I mean, were looking at a individual who was maybe not by his standards on top of the world and you know dam well he has had to live with people in the music bus., fans, family or relatives, e.t.c., that have told him over the years to do something. This is strange to me. I can't help but think something was and is wrong with his voice or it;s a standard issue.

He has said that he is not going to record just because people want him to, for him it has to come from within. I think he still is feeling that he cannot live up to the old days and that is hard to take, although Journey was never really considered a critics band - he knows better, they were awesome in their time, when he came back for TBF I don't think he thought it would end up the way it did.

by **journey361** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:33 am

I consider SP head and shoulders above all singers and my reason is not about the time when he was best or even the time when he was second best, it's about the ungodly transition from how he was in the beginning to now. Someone needs to tell him that he actually sounds as good if not better as he is or was not to long ago versus early on. Sure, he could hit higher notes with ease and sounded like he was from another planet, but it's his legacy that reminds me of transition from what he was early on to now. No one could do that, no one.

by **shaneslatts** » Fri May 01, 2009 10:50 am

journey361 wrote:I consider SP head and shoulders above all singers and my reason is not about the time when he was best or even the time when he was second best, it's about the ungodly transition from how he was in the beginning to now. Someone needs to tell him that he actually sounds as good if not better as he is or was not to long ago versus early on. Sure, he could hit higher notes with ease and sounded like he was from another planet, but it's his legacy that reminds me of transition from what he was early on to now. No one could do that, no one.

I think Perry knows what he can/cant do with his voice. What his thoughts are, no one knows but Mr. Perry. The only 'revealing' thing I have heard him say in the last few years was when he was interviewed during the world series a couple of years ago. He said ' You dont know what these guys have done for me, maybe this will help get my life back together, thru baseball"
I thought...what does he mean by that? It seems that after that, he picked up in pace . He was seen out more, doing back-ups with other bands, having people he trusts listen to his demo's, etc. I 'think' maybe he has reached a point where he has all the material ready, he has the people ready to release it, he was just deciding on 'do I REALLY want to do this". With all I have read here, I think he has crossed that bridge. Maybe now, its just a question of 'when'

by **journey361** » Fri May 01, 2009 11:04 am

Man Shane, i prey your right, i would hate to not here him do his thing on whatever R&B, rock, e.t.c., he wants to do as a project. I've already stated on here a couple times that with every fading end note, valsato, tone, all tools, he still would be better on his worst day then almost everyone today on their best day.

by **shaneslatts** » Fri May 01, 2009 11:26 am

journey361 wrote:Man Shane, i prey your right, i would hate to not here him do his thing on whatever R&B, rock, e.t.c., he wants to do as a project. I've already stated on here a couple times that with every fading end note, valsato, tone, all tools, he still would be better on his worst day then almost everyone today on their best day.

Yeah, I think your right. I heard him in the 'Brand new Start' vid on Youtube, to me he sounded really good. By the way, I dont have any kind of info or anything, Im just goin by what others here have said, and that he has picked up the pace since the World Series in Chicago. To me, it all 'seems' like its leading up to something

by **journey361** » Fri May 01, 2009 11:40 am

Brand new Start, is that and old song by him or a new song by him. never have heard it before

by **Deb** » Fri May 01, 2009 12:16 pm

journey361 wrote:Brand new Start, is that and old song by him or a new song by him. never have heard it before

He on David Pack's song A Brand New Start.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJb5KBdXZZs

by **journey361** » Fri May 01, 2009 1:17 pm

OK, THANK YOU, I REMEMBER READING THAT NOW THAT YOU HAVE TOLD ME. TY.

by **kgdjpubs** » Fri May 01, 2009 1:36 pm

Jubilee wrote:
kgdjpubs wrote:
journey361 wrote:You know what's a shame, Perry didn't start his own band or even join another. I'm talking like a year or 2 after raised on radio. Now that would have been very interesting. Would he have changed his style, tone, etc...

I think the Against the Wall tracks are a fairly good indication of where he was going. Perry was going for an updated Motown sound, both in songs and vocal phrasing. You could hear the start of it on Frontiers, and it was brought to the forefront from Street Talk, becoming more and more prevalent on ROR and the Against the Wall tracks.

You had me all the way up to the Against the Wall tracks. I agree there certainly appeared to be some sort of progression towards a more Motown/R&B sound/influence with Street Talk and ROR, but, IMHO those Against the Wall tracks were a hot mess. They were really neither here nor there. Having said that, I can understand Sony's reluctance and subsequent balking at releasing Against the Wall.

I'm not talking about quality of the tracks, but where Perry was coming from. The motown sound is VERY prevalent on the Against the Wall tracks--in phrasing mainly, but there are several songs (ie Summer of Luv) where it comes to the forefront, but he was obviously going down some calypso-flavoured road at the same time for whatever reason.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't have released the songs either, and firmly believe it would have been career suicide if that album had been released. I don't think motown-meets-Jimmy-Buffett-sung-by-Steve-Perry was going to work on the radio at that time, or any other time for that matter.

by **journey361** » Fri May 01, 2009 1:39 pm

I remember Perry saying in an interview, i can't remember which one, but anyway, he said he felt there were about 3 songs off of the against the wall thing that he felt would have been huge. I dont know which songs he was refering to, melody probably was one of them.

by **shaneslatts** » Fri May 01, 2009 1:44 pm

journey361 wrote:OK, THANK YOU, I REMEMBER READING THAT NOW THAT YOU HAVE TOLD ME. TY.

Yeah, that's the one. To me, his voice sounds fine there.If that's how he sounds today, he has absolutely nothing to worry about.
The guy still has his pipes, and all that goes along with that

by **journey361** » Fri May 01, 2009 1:53 pm

He should promote his new release as a mentor on AI as Randy Jackson gives the thumbs up on it. That would be great. He could sing a song on the show as well. And just a brainhead loon thought, Perry could invite Neil, Cain, Pinea and Valory and have them sit in the front row as he's singing his smash hit off his new CD and at the end the song during a jaw dropping high end, he could then pull out a sign with half America watching and it could read (CRACK THIS STONE BITCH).

by **Since 78** » Fri May 01, 2009 4:14 pm

journey361 wrote:He should promote his new release as a mentor on AI as Randy Jackson gives the thumbs up on it. That would be great. He could sing a song on the show as well. And just a brainhead loon thought, Perry could invite Neil, Cain, Pinea and Valory and have them sit in the front row as he's singing his smash hit off his new CD and at the end the song during a jaw dropping high end, he could then pull out a sign with half America watching and it could read (CRACK THIS STONE BITCH).

OK! First, learn to spell, its Neal and Pineda! Damn! I'm gonna turn in my Loon card! Seriously! :roll:

Get real people.

by **portland** » Fri May 01, 2009 8:25 pm

Since 78 wrote:
journey361 wrote:He should promote his new release as a mentor on AI as Randy Jackson gives the thumbs up on it. That would be great. He could sing a song on the show as well. And just a brainhead loon thought, Perry could invite Neil, Cain, Pinea and Valory and have them sit in the front row as he's singing his smash hit off his new CD and at the end the song during a jaw dropping high end, he could then pull out a sign with half America watching and it could read (CRACK THIS STONE BITCH).

OK! First, learn to spell, its Neal and Pineda! Damn! I'm gonna turn in my Loon card! Seriously! Get real people.

Just downgrade your membership - loonism has it's privleges :wink:

by **Gideon** » Sat May 02, 2009 6:45 am

journey361 wrote:He should promote his new release as a mentor on AI as Randy Jackson gives the thumbs up on it. That would be great. He could sing a song on the show as well. And just a brainhead loon thought, Perry could invite Neil, Cain, Pinea and Valory and have them sit in the front row as he's singing his smash hit off his new CD and at the end the song during a jaw dropping high end, he could then pull out a sign with half America watching and it could read (CRACK THIS STONE BITCH).

lol...

by **portland** » Sat May 02, 2009 6:48 am

Deb wrote:
journey361 wrote:Brand new Start, is that and old song by him or a new song by him. never have heard it before

He on David Pack's song A Brand New Start. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJb5KBdXZZs

Love this song......he sounds great to me, but what to hell do I know!

by **portland** » Sat May 02, 2009 6:52 am

Gideon wrote:
journey361 wrote:He should promote his new release as a mentor on AI as Randy Jackson gives the thumbs up on it. That would be great. He could sing a song on the show as well. And just a brainhead loon thought, Perry could invite Neil, Cain, Pinea and Valory and have them sit in the front row as he's singing his smash hit off his new CD and at the end the song during a jaw dropping high end, he could then pull out a sign with half America watching and it could read (CRACK THIS STONE BITCH).

lol...

the spaceship is departing, fasten your seatbelts, trays in upright postion, we will arrive on planet loon in one hour!

by **Gordon from Edinburgh** » Sat May 02, 2009 8:19 am

journey361 wrote:Perry had said he intended to do just that in an interview i had read years ago. I can't remember where i read it from but certain things i do remember, that was one of them. Perry also stated he (Journey) recorded 3 songs in the bathroom from the Frontiers album, also he had stated he got up right from bed in the morning and went straight to the studio to record 2 tracks off ROR. For the rasp sound he intended to get. He also felt back in the day that the resaon they and himself changed his overall sound (Voice) was on purpose so that the world would not get burnt out on the same tone or sound.

He also wanted a slight change to his tone as he was pissed off about the comments relating to his singing voice to that of a duck - something Rolling Stone picked up on back in the day.

by **journey361** » Sat May 02, 2009 8:21 am

Good Point:

by **journey361** » Sat May 02, 2009 9:28 am

Perry should start his own band and do cover songs from the Zoo. They could open for Journey, wouldn't that be a hot ticket:

by **Michigan Girl** » Sat May 02, 2009 9:33 am

Since 78 wrote:
journey361 wrote:He should promote his new release as a mentor on AI as Randy Jackson gives the thumbs up on it. That would be great. He could sing a song on the show as well. And just a brainhead loon thought, Perry could invite Neil, Cain, Pinea and Valory and have them sit in the front row as he's singing his smash hit off his new CD and at the end the song during a jaw dropping high end, he could then pull out a sign with half America watching and it could read (CRACK THIS STONE BITCH).

OK! First, learn to spell, its Neal and Pineda! Damn! I'm gonna turn in my Loon card! Seriously! Get real people.

you're in a foul mood!!! :wink:

by **portland** » Sat May 02, 2009 9:36 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
journey361 wrote:He should promote his new release as a mentor on AI as Randy Jackson gives the thumbs up on it. That would be great. He could sing a song on the show as well. And just a brainhead loon thought, Perry could invite Neil, Cain, Pinea and Valory and have them sit in the front row as he's singing his smash hit off his new CD and at the end the song during a jaw dropping high end, he could then pull out a sign with half America watching and it could read (CRACK THIS STONE BITCH).

OK! First, learn to spell, its Neal and Pineda! Damn! I'm gonna turn in my Loon card! Seriously! Get real people.

you're in a foul mood!!!

I understand the frustration....some of this is just crazy!

MR

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