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Jubilee wrote:Question: What is "corporate rock"? Journey, along with a host of other melodic rock bands have been tagged with the label "corporate rock" and "sell outs", but what does that mean, really. Is it really so bad to create music that is approachable and easily digestible by casual listeners such as myself? I grew up in the late '70's & early '80's, and while I never considered myself a fan of the rock genre, I've always considered bands like Journey, Foreigner, Styx, etc., to be, for the most part, very listenable. Isn't that the point of music? Judging by the sold-out stadiums, those bands clearly enjoyed mass appeal in their day. Isn't that the point of being in the music business?
It seems to me, somehow, somebody, somewhere, found a way to turn what should have been viewed as a positive into a negative. My guess: professional jealousy.
Any thoughts?
portland wrote:Jubilee wrote:Question: What is "corporate rock"? Journey, along with a host of other melodic rock bands have been tagged with the label "corporate rock" and "sell outs", but what does that mean, really. Is it really so bad to create music that is approachable and easily digestible by casual listeners such as myself? I grew up in the late '70's & early '80's, and while I never considered myself a fan of the rock genre, I've always considered bands like Journey, Foreigner, Styx, etc., to be, for the most part, very listenable. Isn't that the point of music? Judging by the sold-out stadiums, those bands clearly enjoyed mass appeal in their day. Isn't that the point of being in the music business?
It seems to me, somehow, somebody, somewhere, found a way to turn what should have been viewed as a positive into a negative. My guess: professional jealousy.
Any thoughts?
Yeah but for true artists they find the term offensive - aka Steve Perry - he does not want his songs attached to products....I get his point...he put his heart and soul into these songs, and now they are selling cell phones.
Jubilee wrote:portland wrote:Jubilee wrote:Question: What is "corporate rock"? Journey, along with a host of other melodic rock bands have been tagged with the label "corporate rock" and "sell outs", but what does that mean, really. Is it really so bad to create music that is approachable and easily digestible by casual listeners such as myself? I grew up in the late '70's & early '80's, and while I never considered myself a fan of the rock genre, I've always considered bands like Journey, Foreigner, Styx, etc., to be, for the most part, very listenable. Isn't that the point of music? Judging by the sold-out stadiums, those bands clearly enjoyed mass appeal in their day. Isn't that the point of being in the music business?
It seems to me, somehow, somebody, somewhere, found a way to turn what should have been viewed as a positive into a negative. My guess: professional jealousy.
Any thoughts?
Yeah but for true artists they find the term offensive - aka Steve Perry - he does not want his songs attached to products....I get his point...he put his heart and soul into these songs, and now they are selling cell phones.
The use of songs for commercial purposes is a completely different issue. I used to think I was relatively neutral on the whole use of songs in ads issue, then I heard Todd Rundgren's "Hello, It's Me" used in an antacid commercial.Suddenly, I saw the light.
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Ehwmatt wrote:Jubilee wrote: The use of songs for commercial purposes is a completely different issue. I used to think I was relatively neutral on the whole use of songs in ads issue, then I heard Todd Rundgren's "Hello, It's Me" used in an antacid commercial.Suddenly, I saw the light.
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Todd needs the money bad, trust me on this...
Jubilee wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:Jubilee wrote: The use of songs for commercial purposes is a completely different issue. I used to think I was relatively neutral on the whole use of songs in ads issue, then I heard Todd Rundgren's "Hello, It's Me" used in an antacid commercial.Suddenly, I saw the light.
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Todd needs the money bad, trust me on this...
Oh, I don't doubt it.
Jubilee wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:Todd needs the money bad, trust me on this...
Oh, I don't doubt it.
Escape Artist wrote:I believe Journey was one of, if not the first to have a corporate sponsor (budweiser) for their tour (escape tour)
Besides that, Rolling Stone magazine made that shit up because they hate Journey.
Jubilee wrote:Escape Artist wrote:I believe Journey was one of, if not the first to have a corporate sponsor (budweiser) for their tour (escape tour)
Besides that, Rolling Stone magazine made that shit up because they hate Journey.
Right. The point is the tag stuck with Journey as well as the other bands. The question is: Why?
Jubilee wrote:Escape Artist wrote:I believe Journey was one of, if not the first to have a corporate sponsor (budweiser) for their tour (escape tour)
Besides that, Rolling Stone magazine made that shit up because they hate Journey.
Right. The point is the tag stuck with Journey as well as the other bands. The question is: Why?
Saint John wrote:Jubilee wrote:Escape Artist wrote:I believe Journey was one of, if not the first to have a corporate sponsor (budweiser) for their tour (escape tour)
Besides that, Rolling Stone magazine made that shit up because they hate Journey.
Right. The point is the tag stuck with Journey as well as the other bands. The question is: Why?
And the answer is...jealousy.
Gordon from Edinburgh wrote:Todd needs the money bad, trust me on this...
Escape Artist wrote:I believe Journey was one of, if not the first to have a corporate sponsor (budweiser) for their tour (escape tour)
Besides that, Rolling Stone magazine made that shit up because they hate Journey.
Gunbot wrote:Gordon from Edinburgh wrote:Todd needs the money bad, trust me on this...
Gerry Rafferty still collects around 150K a year off of the song Baker Street, so I'm thinking a prolific artist like Todd should have some type of modest income off his past work.
Ehwmatt wrote:Gunbot wrote:Gordon from Edinburgh wrote:Todd needs the money bad, trust me on this...
Gerry Rafferty still collects around 150K a year off of the song Baker Street, so I'm thinking a prolific artist like Todd should have some type of modest income off his past work.
Modest being the operative word here, GB. Modest doesn't help when you have a $1+ million house in Kauai and can't get a second mortgage like Todd does.
escapefan wrote:I think what bothers me about it is that they imply that Journey did not remain true to their music.
Yes, it was different than Rollie was with the group, but the current lineup was coming into their own. And that line up had to write, sing and play what was THEIR music.
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