Who's Sold More?

[portland]

In the end game, you can combine all the sales of their solo works (Cain, Perry, Schon) and the Journey catalog after TBF and you can't even make a dent in the sales that Journey accomplished with those three guys together. Even Bad English sold only One million copies, despite having a number one song. Noithing Perry or Journey does in the future can ever come close to what they achieved together as a group. It has nothing to do with the musical climate either. U2, Bon Jovi, and AC/DC don't sem to have a problem in this current music Environment.
It's just that there was magic when those three guys colabrated together and that can't be replicated.

VERY well said and someone should call someone and figure this shit out...........

[Jana]

In the end game, you can combine all the sales of their solo works (Cain, Perry, Schon) and the Journey catalog after TBF and you can't even make a dent in the sales that Journey accomplished with those three guys together. Even Bad English sold only One million copies, despite having a number one song. Noithing Perry or Journey does in the future can ever come close to what they achieved together as a group. It has nothing to do with the musical climate either. U2, Bon Jovi, and AC/DC don't sem to have a problem in this current music Environment.
It's just that there was magic when those three guys colabrated together and that can't be replicated.

Exactly. None of them without the nucleus of all three will ever have the height of that success and popularity again, and that's including Steve with his solo career which FTLOSM sales showed compared to ST in their heyday for a boost, and Journey without Steve as their album sales post Steve show, but they can all still be very successful compared to other acts. Which Journey with Arnel is doing fantastic and I expect Steve's new CD if and when it comes out to be a success also.

[DracIsBack]

FTLOSM only sold 500,000, a huge drop from 10 years before and he toured for FTLOSM.

That's actually pretty good. As others have noted, that was when rap/grunge/dance essentially knocked acts like Journey, REO, Forgeigner, Chicago etc etc etc off the air.

Almost all of them had albums that just TANKED compared to previous releases because radio wouldn't play their stuff.

That was a sad time for me ... hearing MC Hammer belt out "2 legit 2 quit" (which I retitled "too full of shit to quit", to the annoyance of friends who liked his stuff) while bands I liked couldn't get airplay anymore.

[journey361]

So how will Perry's comeback CD do, 500,000 copies or more?

[Don]

So how will Perry's comeback CD do, 500,000 copies or more?

Maybe, If he gets a Walmart, Target or Best Buy exclusive deal. Though I sort of doubt it.

[journey361]

You would think that there are at least 500,000 SP fans reday to purchase it alone.

[portland]

So how will Perry's comeback CD do, 500,000 copies or more?

Maybe, If he gets a Walmart, Target or Best Buy exclusive deal. Though I sort of doubt it.

I don't care how many CD's he sells.........for me I only care about the one I buy!

[journey361]

Porland, maybe the one you buy will sound alot better. LOL: If so, i want you to burn me a copy.

[portland]

Porland, maybe the one you buy will sound alot better. LOL: If so, i want you to burn me a copy.

Not a problem I will send you two if you want!

[journey361]

Well Portland, we better ask the man himself if thats ok. Hell, he may get upset at us and not record another CD till 2040 and everyone thats SP fans or Journey fans are gonna hunt us down..

[Don]

You would think that there are at least 500,000 SP fans reday to purchase it alone.

I don't think so. Look at Journey. They have more than a few million fans without even counting AP's loons and yet they couldn't sell through a million packages of a three disc set at a bargain basement price. And that's with the CBS coverage and Walmart advertising.

I'm a realist. I think Perry sells a 200k if he's lucky.
Artists don't make big bucks off of albums anymore. The revenue comes from touring. Foreigner hasn't released a new album since 1994. Heart's released one album in 15 years. They both tour well though. If Perry wants to make money, that's where he'll have to do it. Journey will be in the same boat on the next album also. I mean you just sold me a three disc set for 12 bucks and now you want to sell me one disc for a dollar less? Yeah, right.

[portland]

You would think that there are at least 500,000 SP fans reday to purchase it alone.

I don't think so. Look at Journey. They have more than a few million fans without even counting AP's loons and yet they couldn't sell through a million packages of a three disc set at a bargain basement price. And that's with the CBS coverage and Walmart advertising.

I'm a realist. I think Perry sells a 200k if he's lucky.
Artists don't make big bucks off of albums anymore. The revenue comes from touring. Foreigner hasn't released a new album since 1994. Heart's released one album in 15 years. They both tour well though. If Perry wants to make money, that's where he'll have to do it. Journey will be in the same boat on the next album also. I mean you just sold me a three disc set for 12 bucks and now you want to sell me one disc for a dollar less? Yeah, right.

But he does not need the money - maybe it's just about the music???!!! not the money for him...I mean does he really need money - no....so maybe it's just about music - amen to that!

[yak]

Half a tour...he quit during the tour.... Which I am sure surprises no one.

He didn't sell out any venues did he? Not to mention, he burned a few bridges along the way. He was supposed to show up at one particular radio station for an interview, and never showed. The DJs and their callers had a field day with jokes about it. They didn't seem surprised that he had bailed.

[journey361]

Yea but you know what, SP's last main CD project FTLOSM, was all about not giving a dam and doing what he felt no matter the consequences. That was not a norm for most artists. In 1994, it was for Mr. Perry. He said in an interview that "This album was all about me and my life","Screw anyone who doesn't like it or anyone who says it's not me or sounds like me". I was alittle shocked at the time thinking, man, if i were him, i would want to kick ass and take names. But that's the reason why we love his music and his ungodly talents.

[Jubilee]

You would think that there are at least 500,000 SP fans reday to purchase it alone.

I wonder about that. Our perspective is somewhat skewed here, because we're all to one degree or another Perry and/or Journey fans. While many of us here are anxiously awaiting Perry's next release, it's hard to tell how it would be received by the "outside world". Although I'm a big believer in the idea that it's all in the marketing. If the release (should it ever come to pass) were accompanied by a great deal of fanfare and what not (i.e. "The Return of 'The Voice'"; Limited Edition, blah, blah, blah) certainly could generate enough interest.

[portland]

Yea but you know what, SP's last main CD project FTLOSM, was all about not giving a dam and doing what he felt no matter the consequences. That was not a norm for most artists. In 1994, it was for Mr. Perry. He said in an interview that "This album was all about me and my life","Screw anyone who doesn't like it or anyone who says it's not me or sounds like me". I was alittle shocked at the time thinking, man, if i were him, i would want to kick ass and take names. But that's the reason why we love his music and his ungodly talents.

but that's just it he did what he wanted to do and sing...screw the people who did not like it, I for one did...but I still would have like to see them all together...it's just natural, it was the best then!

[journey361]

SP and Journey will never ever do anything again Portland. I think that there's some real hate there from different party circles. I wish just like millions they would, not possible, ever in any format. So Steve, Neil, Jonathan, Ross and Smity all deep down know this and i wonder if their truly sad about it but would never show that. It's now, us, Journey, and the guy who has been out of singing for what, 20 years now.

[yak]

You would think that there are at least 500,000 SP fans reday to purchase it alone.

I wonder about that. Our perspective is somewhat skewed here, because we're all to one degree or another Perry and/or Journey fans. While many of us here are anxiously awaiting Perry's next release, it's hard to tell how it would be received by the "outside world". Although I'm a big believer in the idea that it's all in the marketing. If the release (should it ever come to pass) were accompanied by a great deal of fanfare and what not (i.e. "The Return of 'The Voice'"; Limited Edition, blah, blah, blah) certainly could generate enough interest.

CDs are quickly becoming a thing of the past. Most of the music listeners today rely upon downloading albums or singles from iTunes.
Journey sells because of its name. How many people even know anymore who Steve Perry is? Seriously.

How many Perry albums would be shipped to stores to begin with? Would anybody play him on the radio? Radio play has changed dramatically. Perry would need to have a huge hit single in order to get played. He hasn't been heard from for ages. His '94 tour was not a huge hit. There wasn't even a lot of promo for it back then. Some stores didn't even have it stocked on release day.

[journey361]

Yea, you are so right, my wife (who loves Adam Lambert) never knew who Steve Perry was untill we met. Im 49, shes 38 and she is a huge lambert, Aiken fan. So i have introduced SP to her and she just now told me the same thing you all are saying. Him not singing for 20 years and that FTLOSM tour that was not all that big, has hurt him quite abit. I tell her all the time their is no question what so ever, SP was or is the best, greatest, most talented, singer to ever walk this earth.

[portland]

SP and Journey will never ever do anything again Portland. I think that there's some real hate there from different party circles. I wish just like millions they would, not possible, ever in any format. So Steve, Neil, Jonathan, Ross and Smity all deep down know this and i wonder if their truly sad about it but would never show that. It's now, us, Journey, and the guy who has been out of singing for what, 20 years now.

I know that deep down, the nail is in the coffin as they say....it still sucks..........I am only 39 I still would like to see it again!

[journey361]

Sp Portland, i take it you never saw Journey with SP live, is that correct.

[Jubilee]

You would think that there are at least 500,000 SP fans reday to purchase it alone.

I wonder about that. Our perspective is somewhat skewed here, because we're all to one degree or another Perry and/or Journey fans. While many of us here are anxiously awaiting Perry's next release, it's hard to tell how it would be received by the "outside world". Although I'm a big believer in the idea that it's all in the marketing. If the release (should it ever come to pass) were accompanied by a great deal of fanfare and what not (i.e. "The Return of 'The Voice'"; Limited Edition, blah, blah, blah) certainly could generate enough interest.

CDs are quickly becoming a thing of the past. Most of the music listeners today rely upon downloading albums or singles from iTunes.
Journey sells because of its name. How many people even know anymore who Steve Perry is? Seriously.

How many Perry albums would be shipped to stores to begin with? Would anybody play him on the radio? Radio play has changed dramatically. Perry would need to have a huge hit single in order to get played. He hasn't been heard from for ages. His '94 tour was not a huge hit. There wasn't even a lot of promo for it back then. Some stores didn't even have it stocked on release day.

Yep. You'll get no argument from me on this one. So much really has changed since '94. It's going to be very difficult to get Perry heard above the din, so to speak, with all the current artists out there, not to mention the state of radio nowadays. He's been out of the game so long, any name recognition he has enjoyed is starting to fade (except in certain circles). Will he be reduced to "Journey's former lead singer. You know, that guy who sang that one song..."Old Cherries", or something like that, I think".

[Jeremey]

The Revelation CD package has sold about 760,000 actual purchases (not doing double math for the RIAA). For the first quarter of this year, however, it sold less than 300 copies, which seems to be a big drop off. There was quite a bit of promotion and push for this record. I would be surprised if Journey could duplicate this success with their next release.

[Jeremey]

I AM surprised that a 38 year old female did not know who Steve Perry was. I wouldn't say that's the norm among 38 year old ladies.

[portland]

Sp Portland, i take it you never saw Journey with SP live, is that correct.

Yep a little to young for that.....

[journey361]

Yea Jeremey, i was certainly shocked too that she didn't know who SP was. She had heard of Journey, but didn't know who the lead singer was. Trust me, with all this buzz of him and his so-called comeback CD, she's sick of hearing his name now.

[Don]

The Revelation CD package has sold about 760,000 actual purchases (not doing double math for the RIAA). For the first quarter of this year, however, it sold less than 300 copies, which seems to be a big drop off. There was quite a bit of promotion and push for this record. I would be surprised if Journey could duplicate this success with their next release.

That's the numbers I was thinking of. I have said before, once WALMART gets what they want (the initial foot traffic) artists tend to fall off their radar. Foreigner has the same deal coming up (3 disc set). I don't know if it's with Walmart or not though. I think Walmart is like a one night stand. Don't expect any phone calls or invitations to come back anytime soon. The store got what they wanted and now they're done with you.

It's like people expect Journey's next album to be released with a similar deal like they had with Revelation. It just isn't very likely IMO.

[yak]

Yep. You'll get no argument from me on this one. So much really has changed since '94. It's going to be very difficult to get Perry heard above the din, so to speak, with all the current artists out there, not to mention the state of radio nowadays. He's been out of the game so long, any name recognition he has enjoyed is starting to fade (except in certain circles). Will he be reduced to "Journey's former lead singer. You know, that guy who sang that one song..."Old Cherries", or something like that, I think".

I'd guess you'd have to ask Perry that question. The ball is in his court, and always has been in the past, but he's the one who chose to walk away.

[Don]

Only 300 copies of Walmart's Revelation pack have sold this year? Well, considering the album is almost a year old, I guess it's no surprise. Everyone is always saying how it's never in stock anymore.

[Jana]

Yea Jeremey, i was certainly shocked too that she didn't know who SP was. She had heard of Journey, but didn't know who the lead singer was. Trust me, with all this buzz of him and his so-called comeback CD, she's sick of hearing his name now.

sorry. Duplicate reply. Couldn't delete one of them.