OT: Star Trek

[wednesday's child]

Looks like Sci Fi is airing Serenity tonight at 9PM. Any good? Maybe I'll tune in. I'm no fan of Joss Whedon, but Summer Glau is in it. She is hawt.

Yes, Serenity is very good.

Nah, it sucked. I fell asleep an hour into it, then I woke up and saw the last half hour!

Firefly was much better imo.

Also, Lucas just might be a genius for the way he "hacked" his way through Star Wars and still ended up making it such a cultural phenom. I'll agree he ruined the prequels, though.

I've realized as I'm reading all this Trek/anti-Trek discussion that the reason I probably didn't like BSG is that it's incredibly depressing. As someone else pointed out, there is no alien life, technology is the enemy etc. Trek is so much more optimistic than that. It's a future I like to hope for and see as a possibility.

Nope, not quite it.
Firefly had a pretty dismal view too, but BSG's flaw was that it was unrelentingly serious.
I pretty much tuned out after Season 2, and checked online synopses just to find out
how they tied off this or that end.

BTW, I'm actually glad Firefly died early, before Whedon could assfuck it into mediocrity.
Anyone seen 'Dollhouse'? Eeeeeeeee.

-wech

[verslibre]

Serenity had "B-grade TV series finale" written all over it. How did that get into theaters?

[wednesday's child]

Serenity had "B-grade TV series finale" written all over it. How did that get into theaters?

"Moral obligation".

[Monker]

Roddenberry, Lucas, and even Glen A. Larson fit that category MUCH better the Moore...even considering their faults.

Do not ever call George Luca$ a genius. Not an artistic one, anyway. More like a con artist. Between Star Trek, Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica, SW is by far the least original of the three, and has the worst acting & writing every which way but loose!

Even so, he still revived science fiction in the 80's, along with Spielberg he revived adventure films with Indiana Jones. Even the worst of the Star Wars were better then much of the 80s scifi he inspired.

[Monker]

It didn't go over my head...I'm just not a Kool-Aid drinking fool.

Nice Monker... but I suppose it's better than "dumb faggot" which is what the last BSG hater I argued with called me.

I didn't call you anything. I am saying I am not the type of person who follows the crowd to what is popular. I'm not that way with music and I'm not that way with scifi either.;

[Monker]

Ok, here's a dumb question for the BSG fans. I don't think I even saw the full pilot episode come to think of it, so how did they explain the classic Vipers and Cylon suits from the original show that they worked into the story?

Good question...the orignal Cylons were in some type of display as 6 walked by and paused to stare at them. The original Vipers were shown briefly in a ceremony as Galactica was to be decomissioned....at the same time, you also heard a few notes of the orignal theme song (which Glen A. Larson wrote, BTW...I have the album). The old Vipers were the only ones not affected and were still usable when the Cylons attacked.

That's how they showed up in the Pilot. They did run into a base ship that had the original Centurions...don't know if they explained why some showed up in the last few shows tho.

[Rip Rokken]

Ok, here's a dumb question for the BSG fans. I don't think I even saw the full pilot episode come to think of it, so how did they explain the classic Vipers and Cylon suits from the original show that they worked into the story?

Good question...the orignal Cylons were in some type of display as 6 walked by and paused to stare at them. The original Vipers were shown briefly in a ceremony as Galactica was to be decomissioned....at the same time, you also heard a few notes of the orignal theme song (which Glen A. Larson wrote, BTW...I have the album). The old Vipers were the only ones not affected and were still usable when the Cylons attacked.

That's how they showed up in the Pilot. They did run into a base ship that had the original Centurions...don't know if they explained why some showed up in the last few shows tho.

Ok, I did some digging and as we would guess, they were from the first Cylon War, something like 40 years previous to the modern storyline. I didn't realize they played such a part in the Razor movie, which is apparently told thru flashback. Very cool how they've updated them so they don't look like guys in suits while keeping faithful to the design. Even down to including a gold commander.

[verslibre]

I've realized as I'm reading all this Trek/anti-Trek discussion that the reason I probably didn't like BSG is that it's incredibly depressing. As someone else pointed out, there is no alien life, technology is the enemy etc. Trek is so much more optimistic than that. It's a future I like to hope for and see as a possibility.

And after no fewer than FIVE different Trek series, you couldn't handle some grime & grit in your sci fi? Frakkin' A!!!

[Sarah]

I've realized as I'm reading all this Trek/anti-Trek discussion that the reason I probably didn't like BSG is that it's incredibly depressing. As someone else pointed out, there is no alien life, technology is the enemy etc. Trek is so much more optimistic than that. It's a future I like to hope for and see as a possibility.

And after no fewer than FIVE different Trek series, you couldn't handle some grime & grit in your sci fi? Frakkin' A!!!

I've only watched TOS and a handful of TNG/VOY.

And no, I don't like the grime and grit. I enjoy optimistic sci-fi, not dystopian. Just my style.

[Monker]

I've realized as I'm reading all this Trek/anti-Trek discussion that the reason I probably didn't like BSG is that it's incredibly depressing. As someone else pointed out, there is no alien life, technology is the enemy etc. Trek is so much more optimistic than that. It's a future I like to hope for and see as a possibility.

And after no fewer than FIVE different Trek series, you couldn't handle some grime & grit in your sci fi? Frakkin' A!!!

Isn't that what Lexx was?

[verslibre]

Lex'x? Never watched it. I tend not to watch the bulk of the crap Sci Fi airs. Some of their monster movies are kinda funny, like Mansquito.

What are they pimping now? Primeval and Warehouse 13. Neither look interesting.

[Rip Rokken]

And no, I don't like the grime and grit. I enjoy optimistic sci-fi, not dystopian. Just my style.

Who is that in your avatar? Leonard Skinnerd?

[verslibre]

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

I love it!! I cried when you know who showed up.

I liked it when he said young, Jim said, live long and prosper, instead of fluff you. hehehe!!!!!!

but I do now have a new 'instead of word'. it would be 'vulc you'. hehehehehehehehe

live long and prosper.

onto Wolverine.....

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

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Enterprise died, IMO, because it launch on the Paramount network and did not follow the syndication route as the other series did. If it had went into syndication as TNG, DS9, and Vger, it would have been much more successful. Nemesis died simply because it was not as good as other TNG movies.

This movie is up there with Wrath of Khan and First Contact. it is very well written, and well told. I don't like some story elements, like what happened to Vulcan...but it could easily be a setup for a follow up movie...and I very much hope that happens.

that's exactly what I thought.

[Gideon]

I loved Firefly and Serenity.

Whoever the hell is dissing Joss Whedon shall face the wrath of everyone who has ever grown up on the 90s! Angel and Buffy are fixtures to people's lives.

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

the only snap for me was the blue eyes. Kirk has hazel eyes. it bugged me the whole movie.

where was wardrobe??? contacts. hello.

[Deacon]

the only snap for me was the blue eyes. Kirk has hazel eyes. it bugged me the whole movie.

where was wardrobe??? contacts. hello.

Shatner had hazel eyes, am I right?

Why did Kirk have to?

[wednesday's child]

I loved Firefly and Serenity.

Whoever the hell is dissing Joss Whedon shall face the wrath of everyone who has ever grown up on the 90s! Angel and Buffy are fixtures to people's lives.

Whedon had enormous talent, but hardly any of it really saw light of day.
Buffy actually in a mental institution? Brilliant. The rest of Buffy averages out as decent,
but ran far too long. Angel was so weak they had to fortify it with more Buffy alumni.

Firefly on the other hand was remarkable, and IMO, mostly because there wasn't a
second season for Whedon to screw up. Serenity was a beautiful mess: despite all
the browncoat hype, it was a box office and a critical disappointment.
While it's always difficult translating between long and short visual media,
the big leagues are supposed to be for big league players only.

Whedon's ultimately hit or miss, given a free hand to reinterpret a pre-existing franchise.
His take on Buffy paid off initially. Alien Resurrection, however was a total POS.
With 'original' concepts, he's also hit or miss: Firefly vs. Dollhouse.

Like I said, talented.
Just not enough to justify all the (gratefully fading) hype.

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the only snap for me was the blue eyes. Kirk has hazel eyes. it bugged me the whole movie.
where was wardrobe??? contacts. hello.

I surprisingly didn't have major problems with J.J. Abrams' Star Trek.
The "alternate reality" angle was a balm to this old-franchise fan.

What I didn't like was how the script tried too fuckin hard to get all of the signature crew
on board the Enterprise so quickly and assigned to their signature tasks so pat.
Bones taking over the vacant MedChief position was understandable, since he was already
a crewmember; but having Scotty step in like that was ludicrous. John Cho's Sulu was
painful to watch at times. The Vulcan geezers getting crushed by toppling cave decor
screamed "Hollywood action sequence"... but all in all, the movie was much more than
worth its ticket price.

JM2, YMMV,
-wech.

[Monker]

Lex'x? Never watched it. I tend not to watch the bulk of the crap Sci Fi airs. Some of their monster movies are kinda funny, like Mansquito.

What are they pimping now? Primeval and Warehouse 13. Neither look interesting.

Lexx was brought over from Showtime...I was wonderfully pornographicaly humorous. ;D

Primeval is a Brittish show...Kinda Torchwood light. It's OK....but I'd rather have Torchwood. Don't know about Warehouse 13. What we are getting now is summer filler...waiting for Stargate Universe and Sanctuary...and the Farscape webisodes, and hopefully a new series.

[Monker]

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Enterprise died, IMO, because it launch on the Paramount network and did not follow the syndication route as the other series did. If it had went into syndication as TNG, DS9, and Vger, it would have been much more successful. Nemesis died simply because it was not as good as other TNG movies.

This movie is up there with Wrath of Khan and First Contact. it is very well written, and well told. I don't like some story elements, like what happened to Vulcan...but it could easily be a setup for a follow up movie...and I very much hope that happens.

that's exactly what I thought.

Yeah, hopefully Spock realizes the timeline is all screwed and needs to be fixed

[Zedul]

I didn't call you anything. I am saying I am not the type of person who follows the crowd to what is popular. I'm not that way with music and I'm not that way with scifi either.;

I don't follow any crowd that's for sure. My favorite is band in the world is Metric - and who the hell even knows who they are?

[Saint John]

To quote Butthead: "Hey Beavis, watch out for the Cling-Ons around Uranus."

[Rip Rokken]

To quote Butthead: "Hey Beavis, watch out for the Cling-Ons around Uranus."

Starfleet Command to Captain Scronos... arm photon torpedoes and prepare to fire!

[wednesday's child]

To quote Butthead: "Hey Beavis, watch out for the Cling-Ons around Uranus."

Starfleet Command to Captain Scronos... arm photon torpedoes and prepare to fire!

Rip, you are a prince among very mean men.

[Saint John]

Hey Rip, what are those rings around Uranus?

[RossValoryRocks]

Hey Rip, what are those rings around Uranus?

Lipstick I would imagine!

[Rip Rokken]

Hey Rip, what are those rings around Uranus?

Lipstick I would imagine!

But whom's lipstick, is the question!

[Alex Landenburg]

just got home from the cinema....

new Star Trek is absolutely awesome.
I was very skeptical ar first, with that whole idea of a prequel...but it turned out to be amazing.
I love it, have to see it at least one more time.