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Postby Tito » Wed May 27, 2009 12:44 am

Behshad wrote:And in the long run a queen gig would give him a lot more exposure than his solo CDs.


Just about anything (band) he does will give him more exposure than his solo CDs.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Wed May 27, 2009 12:47 am

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Barb wrote:http://www.tampabay.com/features/music/article1004299.ece

Rumors are swirling around the Web that American Idol runnerup Adam Lambert could be Queen's top pick as its next lead singer.

"(Drummer Roger Taylor) and I are definitely hoping to have a meaningful conversation with him at some point," Queen guitarist Brian May told Rolling Stone late last week amid rumors that Lambert had already been offered the job. "It's not like we, as Queen, would rush into coalescing with another singer just like that. It isn't that easy. But I'd certainly like to work with Adam. That is one amazing instrument he has there."

Queen ruled the rock world in the '70s and '80s with anthems such as We Will Rock You, Bohemian Rhapsody and Another One Bites the Dust. But the band has relied on guest vocalists since the death of frontman Freddie Mercury in 1991 from AIDS-related bronchial pneumonia.

The remaining members just jettisoned singer Paul Rodgers (amicably, both sides insist) on May 12, making Lambert's performance with Queen during Idol's Season 8 finale an informal tryout of sorts.

(And of course, by mysteriously losing to Ned Flanders-esque Kris Allen, Lambert is free to pursue his own career now.)

On the positive side, May and Taylor would inherit a young singer who could give the band a much-needed dose of energy. And Lambert would bring a whole new generation of fans with him. However, trying to replace the legendary Mercury seems like a bad way to start a promising career.

If Lambert does turn down a presumed offer, the smart money is that Queen will take a long, serious look at Jeff Scott Soto, the former Journey singer who was dumped by the band before it hired Arnel Pineda. Soto doesn't have the same type of vocal chops as Lambert or Mercury, but he's a fixture with the band's fans after his regular performances at Queen conventions around the world.

Want one more dark horse? George Michael. The Wham! frontman turned superstar soloist dazzled fans while playing alongside Queen during a 1992 tribute concert for Mercury following his death.


If those are the only two choices, go with Adam Lambert. You'll get more publicity. If they go with Soto, 99.9% of the people will say, "Who?"


So are you saying that Arnel got LESS publicity, being an unknown? Im pretty sure popularity is not connected to publicity. Look at all the attention Journey has gotten. And most people in the general public would still say "Arnel who?"
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Postby Tito » Wed May 27, 2009 12:50 am

Arnel had an unique story and courtesy of all the publicity, a lot of people know who he is, even non-Journey fans.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Wed May 27, 2009 12:52 am

Tito wrote:Arnel had an unique story and courtesy of all the publicity, a lot of people know who he is, even non-Journey fans.


No one would have known that story if the band management hadn't pimped it.

On top of that, Queen and who they pick as a new lead singer is WAY bigger news than Journey picking yet another replacement. Queen wins it in popularity as a band.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Wed May 27, 2009 1:09 am

StevePerryHair wrote:
Tito wrote:If those are the only two choices, go with Adam Lambert. You'll get more publicity. If they go with Soto, 99.9% of the people will say, "Who?"


So are you saying that Arnel got LESS publicity, being an unknown? Im pretty sure popularity is not connected to publicity. Look at all the attention Journey has gotten. And most people in the general public would still say "Arnel who?"


Thank you , ma'am, that was going to be my point also.

People might initially ask "Who?" in the (hypothetical) event that JSS came aboard, but that's also what happened when Journey took on Arnel. A LOT of people (knowing I was a Journey fan) said things to me (and still do) like "I heard some story about Journey picking up a singer... some Japanese guy... or something? What was that all about?" And no, NOT making that up. The casual fans had no idea what was up or who Arnel was, and a lot still don't. I hear it all the time.
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Re: Adam's Competition for the Queen gig? JSS...

Postby Deb » Wed May 27, 2009 1:31 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:
Tito wrote:If those are the only two choices, go with Adam Lambert. You'll get more publicity. If they go with Soto, 99.9% of the people will say, "Who?"


So are you saying that Arnel got LESS publicity, being an unknown? Im pretty sure popularity is not connected to publicity. Look at all the attention Journey has gotten. And most people in the general public would still say "Arnel who?"


Thank you , ma'am, that was going to be my point also.

People might initially ask "Who?" in the (hypothetical) event that JSS came aboard, but that's also what happened when Journey took on Arnel. A LOT of people (knowing I was a Journey fan) said things to me (and still do) like "I heard some story about Journey picking up a singer... some Japanese guy... or something? What was that all about?" And no, NOT making that up. The casual fans had no idea what was up or who Arnel was, and a lot still don't. I hear it all the time.


Deja vu! Pretty much having this exact same argument with Dan, downstairs. :lol:
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Wed May 27, 2009 1:58 am

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bluejeangirl76 wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:
Tito wrote:If those are the only two choices, go with Adam Lambert. You'll get more publicity. If they go with Soto, 99.9% of the people will say, "Who?"


So are you saying that Arnel got LESS publicity, being an unknown? Im pretty sure popularity is not connected to publicity. Look at all the attention Journey has gotten. And most people in the general public would still say "Arnel who?"


Thank you , ma'am, that was going to be my point also.

People might initially ask "Who?" in the (hypothetical) event that JSS came aboard, but that's also what happened when Journey took on Arnel. A LOT of people (knowing I was a Journey fan) said things to me (and still do) like "I heard some story about Journey picking up a singer... some Japanese guy... or something? What was that all about?" And no, NOT making that up. The casual fans had no idea what was up or who Arnel was, and a lot still don't. I hear it all the time.


Deja vu! Pretty much having this exact same argument with Dan, downstairs. :lol:


Now, why am I not surprised? :roll: :lol:
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Re: Adam's Competition for the Queen gig? JSS...

Postby Deb » Wed May 27, 2009 2:06 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Deb wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:
Tito wrote:If those are the only two choices, go with Adam Lambert. You'll get more publicity. If they go with Soto, 99.9% of the people will say, "Who?"


So are you saying that Arnel got LESS publicity, being an unknown? Im pretty sure popularity is not connected to publicity. Look at all the attention Journey has gotten. And most people in the general public would still say "Arnel who?"


Thank you , ma'am, that was going to be my point also.

People might initially ask "Who?" in the (hypothetical) event that JSS came aboard, but that's also what happened when Journey took on Arnel. A LOT of people (knowing I was a Journey fan) said things to me (and still do) like "I heard some story about Journey picking up a singer... some Japanese guy... or something? What was that all about?" And no, NOT making that up. The casual fans had no idea what was up or who Arnel was, and a lot still don't. I hear it all the time.


Deja vu! Pretty much having this exact same argument with Dan, downstairs. :lol:


Now, why am I not surprised? :roll: :lol:


LOL it really is quite silly, he's never going to turn me onto Arnel, and I'm never going to turn him onto JSS. :lol:
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Postby Gideon » Wed May 27, 2009 2:11 am

I think the point is ultimately that Arnel has an engaging, sympathetic Cinderella story whereas Jeff... does not. Regardless of whether or not Journey "pimped it out," with Arnel there was something to pimp out.

The extent of JSS's "story" is that he is a talented singer who is shamefully underrated. Not the stuff that will engage people on a personal level.

So, point for Tito.

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Postby StevePerryHair » Wed May 27, 2009 2:22 am

Gideon wrote:I think the point is ultimately that Arnel has an engaging, sympathetic Cinderella story whereas Jeff... does not. Regardless of whether or not Journey "pimped it out," with Arnel there was something to pimp out.

The extent of JSS's "story" is that he is a talented singer who is shamefully underrated. Not the stuff that will engage people on a personal level.

So, point for Tito.

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Queen doesn't NEED a Cinderella story. They lost Freddie TRAGICALLY and everyone will root for them to find another singer and will want to know who he is when the time comes. No points for Tito :P
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Postby stevew2 » Wed May 27, 2009 2:37 am

Tito wrote:Arnel had an unique story and courtesy of all the publicity, a lot of people know who he is, even non-Journey fans.
You have a unique story of being cheap and gay
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Postby brywool » Wed May 27, 2009 2:40 am

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Queen doesn't NEED a Cinderella story. They lost Freddie TRAGICALLY and everyone will root for them to find another singer and will want to know who he is when the time comes. No points for Tito :P


Then why did Queen with Paul Rodgers fail?? Paul Rodgers is a great singer, but with Queen, it just didn't interest enough peeps. Also, NO promotion from the record company.
Queen needs a singer with a big range. Paul was more a bluesy singer, though amazingly talented. Queen's best shot is to use the publicity from Adam. The guy is hot right now with the press and kids.

If Queen was smart, they'd get George Michael. He was the ONLY guy at the Freddie Tribute Show to even come close to the magic that Freddie brought to the party.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Wed May 27, 2009 2:46 am

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StevePerryHair wrote:
Queen doesn't NEED a Cinderella story. They lost Freddie TRAGICALLY and everyone will root for them to find another singer and will want to know who he is when the time comes. No points for Tito :P


Then why did Queen with Paul Rodgers fail?? Paul Rodgers is a great singer, but with Queen, it just didn't interest enough peeps. Also, NO promotion from the record company.
Queen needs a singer with a big range. Paul was more a bluesy singer, though amazingly talented. Queen's best shot is to use the publicity from Adam. The guy is hot right now with the press and kids.

If Queen was smart, they'd get George Michael. He was the ONLY guy at the Freddie Tribute Show to even come close to the magic that Freddie brought to the party.


I'm not so sure that Adam would be smart to go with them though, since he has a chance, and being so young, to be a success on his own. He could take that job and then disappear when it's over, only being labeled as someone's "replacement" singer when he's done rather than a rock star who made it on his own.

I really didn't get the Paul Rodgers thing and maybe it's because I am not a fan of Bad Company, who knows. I didn't really think they meshed though,and maybe others felt that way too. I could see George Michael though. He could pull it off. But I think any of the 3 being discussed could pull it off.
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Postby Marabelle » Wed May 27, 2009 3:00 am

Adam is a good singer but not necessarily the calibre of a singer that would make the fit. He's talented but no where as talented or charismatic as Freddy who was a star when he first walked out onto the stage. Adam doesn't have the flamboyance or tenacity or attitude of a Freddy. I don't see how he's even being considered.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Wed May 27, 2009 3:03 am

brywool wrote:If Queen was smart, they'd get George Michael. He was the ONLY guy at the Freddie Tribute Show to even come close to the magic that Freddie brought to the party.


Agreed times 10. I think it's about time to pull out my dvd of that soon.
That was a stellar performance.
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Postby brywool » Wed May 27, 2009 3:30 am

Not really saying that Adam should be with Queen. It would benefit THEM more than HIM.

Personally, I think Brian May should remain a solo artist. His two solo albums are GREAT and the closest thing to Queen I've yet to hear. Tell me this doesn't sound like Queen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jeuSIP71-U

(It sounds like queen so much that many youtube links say it IS Queen, but it's Brian's solo deal).

Also, listen to Brian's version of "Too Much Love Will Kill You"- It's far superior to Queen's version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUn3_cdxkT0

If we can't have Mercury, I think Brian's fine on his own.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Wed May 27, 2009 3:39 am

Marabelle wrote:Adam is a good singer but not necessarily the calibre of a singer that would make the fit. He's talented but no where as talented or charismatic as Freddy who was a star when he first walked out onto the stage. Adam doesn't have the flamboyance or tenacity or attitude of a Freddy. I don't see how he's even being considered.


Paul Rodgers wasn't exactly someone who could be considered flamboyant in the least, yet they picked him.
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Postby StoneCold » Wed May 27, 2009 3:40 am

brywool wrote:Not really saying that Adam should be with Queen. It would benefit THEM more than HIM.

Personally, I think Brian May should remain a solo artist. His two solo albums are GREAT and the closest thing to Queen I've yet to hear. Tell me this doesn't sound like Queen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jeuSIP71-U

(It sounds like queen so much that many youtube links say it IS Queen, but it's Brian's solo deal).

Also, listen to Brian's version of "Too Much Love Will Kill You"- It's far superior to Queen's version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUn3_cdxkT0

If we can't have Mercury, I think Brian's fine on his own.


Good stuff, Brian sang a few of the Queen songs so yeah, it sounds like Queen.

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Postby StevePerryHair » Wed May 27, 2009 3:40 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
brywool wrote:If Queen was smart, they'd get George Michael. He was the ONLY guy at the Freddie Tribute Show to even come close to the magic that Freddie brought to the party.


Agreed times 10. I think it's about time to pull out my dvd of that soon.
That was a stellar performance.


Well I am a George Michael fan too, so I could totally see that.
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Postby brywool » Wed May 27, 2009 3:41 am

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Marabelle wrote:Adam is a good singer but not necessarily the calibre of a singer that would make the fit. He's talented but no where as talented or charismatic as Freddy who was a star when he first walked out onto the stage. Adam doesn't have the flamboyance or tenacity or attitude of a Freddy. I don't see how he's even being considered.


Paul Rodgers wasn't exactly someone who could be considered flamboyant in the least, yet they picked him.


Cuz he's great. Free are huge in Europe and Bad Company did well here.
I had a friend that toured with Paul in Europe as his guitarist and he was saying that Free were much bigger there than Badco was here. That's saying something as Badco was pretty big for a while.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Wed May 27, 2009 3:43 am

brywool wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:
Marabelle wrote:Adam is a good singer but not necessarily the calibre of a singer that would make the fit. He's talented but no where as talented or charismatic as Freddy who was a star when he first walked out onto the stage. Adam doesn't have the flamboyance or tenacity or attitude of a Freddy. I don't see how he's even being considered.


Paul Rodgers wasn't exactly someone who could be considered flamboyant in the least, yet they picked him.


Cuz he's great. Free are huge in Europe and Bad Company did well here.
I had a friend that toured with Paul in Europe as his guitarist and he was saying that Free were much bigger there than Badco was here. That's saying something as Badco was pretty big for a while.


I wasn't saying he's not great! I am just not a fan of Bad Company's songs is all. And I was just trying to make a point that they aren't necessarily looking for a carbon copy of Freddie. I don't think they will find one, and I think they know that.
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Postby brywool » Wed May 27, 2009 4:06 am

StevePerryHair wrote:
brywool wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:
Marabelle wrote:Adam is a good singer but not necessarily the calibre of a singer that would make the fit. He's talented but no where as talented or charismatic as Freddy who was a star when he first walked out onto the stage. Adam doesn't have the flamboyance or tenacity or attitude of a Freddy. I don't see how he's even being considered.


Paul Rodgers wasn't exactly someone who could be considered flamboyant in the least, yet they picked him.


Cuz he's great. Free are huge in Europe and Bad Company did well here.
I had a friend that toured with Paul in Europe as his guitarist and he was saying that Free were much bigger there than Badco was here. That's saying something as Badco was pretty big for a while.


I wasn't saying he's not great! I am just not a fan of Bad Company's songs is all. And I was just trying to make a point that they aren't necessarily looking for a carbon copy of Freddie. I don't think they will find one, and I think they know that.


Not arguing with ya.. .just saying the guy's a good singer, but not right for Queen. Listen to Badco's first three albums. They'll make a believer outta ya. The rest... well, not so much. :)
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Postby Tito » Wed May 27, 2009 4:24 am

brywool wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:
Queen doesn't NEED a Cinderella story. They lost Freddie TRAGICALLY and everyone will root for them to find another singer and will want to know who he is when the time comes. No points for Tito :P


Then why did Queen with Paul Rodgers fail?? Paul Rodgers is a great singer, but with Queen, it just didn't interest enough peeps. Also, NO promotion from the record company.
Queen needs a singer with a big range. Paul was more a bluesy singer, though amazingly talented. Queen's best shot is to use the publicity from Adam. The guy is hot right now with the press and kids.


Thank you for saving me from a long post. Spot on.

brywool wrote:If Queen was smart, they'd get George Michael. He was the ONLY guy at the Freddie Tribute Show to even come close to the magic that Freddie brought to the party.


In more ways than one...if you know what I mean. Gross.
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Postby Tito » Wed May 27, 2009 4:26 am

StevePerryHair wrote:Queen doesn't NEED a Cinderella story. They lost Freddie TRAGICALLY and everyone will root for them to find another singer and will want to know who he is when the time comes. No points for Tito :P


He did not die tragically, he did it to himself.
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Postby brywool » Wed May 27, 2009 4:37 am

Tito wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:Queen doesn't NEED a Cinderella story. They lost Freddie TRAGICALLY and everyone will root for them to find another singer and will want to know who he is when the time comes. No points for Tito :P


He did not die tragically, he did it to himself.


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Postby Jana » Wed May 27, 2009 4:40 am

Tito wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:Queen doesn't NEED a Cinderella story. They lost Freddie TRAGICALLY and everyone will root for them to find another singer and will want to know who he is when the time comes. No points for Tito :P


He did not die tragically, he did it to himself.


:roll: Where is Enigma/John to do battle with Tito? :lol:
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Postby Jana » Wed May 27, 2009 4:45 am

How about Arnel? He does Queen. He can do Queen in the winter, Journey in the summer. More money to feed those homeless kids and make enough to retire in two years between both gigs, and both bands will have slots open again and the infighting on MR can begin again on who should be the next singer with Journey. Just a thought. :wink: :lol:
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Postby Don » Wed May 27, 2009 4:57 am

Jana wrote:How about Arnel? He does Queen. He can do Queen in the winter, Journey in the summer. More money to feed those homeless kids and make enough to retire in two years between both gigs, and both bands will have slots open again and the infighting on MR can begin again on who should be the next singer with Journey. Just a thought. :wink: :lol:


Seeing how May and Schon are such good chums, maybe they could work something out, sort of like a timeshare.
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Postby brywool » Wed May 27, 2009 4:57 am

Jana wrote:How about Arnel? He does Queen. He can do Queen in the winter, Journey in the summer. More money to feed those homeless kids and make enough to retire in two years between both gigs, and both bands will have slots open again and the infighting on MR can begin again on who should be the next singer with Journey. Just a thought. :wink: :lol:


Isn't bad enough that the Perry diehards are all over his ass, now you're sicking the Freddie fans on him too? Cut the little dude some slack Jana!

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Postby Tito » Wed May 27, 2009 5:00 am

brywool wrote:
Tito wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:Queen doesn't NEED a Cinderella story. They lost Freddie TRAGICALLY and everyone will root for them to find another singer and will want to know who he is when the time comes. No points for Tito :P


He did not die tragically, he did it to himself.


:roll:


Well, he did.
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