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Postby Don » Sun May 31, 2009 11:39 am

Maybe Ozzy heard about Perry's severance package and a light went on somewhere in the dark caverns of his brain. :idea: :lol:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8075397.stm

Black Sabbath singer Ozzy Osbourne is suing the band's guitarist Tony Iommi over royalty payments.

The 60-year-old has accused Iommi of falsely claiming to have sole rights to the band's name which has cost him royalties from merchandise sales.

Osbourne is seeking unspecified damages, lost profits and a declaration he is a half-owner of the trademark.

Iommi claims Osbourne legally relinquished rights to the band's name in the 1980s.

The guitarist registered the Black Sabbath trademark in the US in 2000.

Osbourne issued a statement on Friday asking Iommi to "do the right thing".

"Tony, I am so sorry it's had to get to this point by me having to take this action against you," he said.

"We've all worked too hard and long in our careers to allow you to sell merchandise that features all our faces, old Black Sabbath album covers and band logos, and then you tell us that you own the copyright."

Osbourne said he believed all four original members of the band should share Black Sabbath's name equally adding: "I hope that by me taking this first step that it will ultimately end up that way."

The star's lawyer has disputed he gave up rights to the band's name, saying that even if the singer did make such an agreement, he took a major role in the band's direction and success after rejoining it in 1997.

Black Sabbath, who were formed in Birmingham in 1968, have sold more then 100 million albums and are known for hits including Iron Man and Paranoid.
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Postby verslibre » Sun May 31, 2009 11:51 am

Ozz needs to...go away. 'Sides, this smells more like Sharon's doing.
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Postby Carla777 » Sun May 31, 2009 11:57 am

hmmmmm i wonder if Ozzy wife Sharon have to do something with this :roll: :evil: ....i Believe that is Iommi is who really is Black Sabbath (and btw who really have the right to clame here is Geezer)..i love almost all BS lines up, even with Gillan and Martin (and Ozzy too, but i'm not with him on this)
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Postby verslibre » Sun May 31, 2009 12:03 pm

Carla777 wrote:i Believe that is Iommi is who really is Black Sabbath


Ozzy signed away the rights to the name 20 years ago for 80K pounds! :lol:

So, YES...Iommi IS Sabbath.
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Postby Don » Sun May 31, 2009 12:08 pm

Mob Rules is my favorite Sabbath album despite a lot of critics hating it at the time.
I'll take "Geezer and the three Wops" over any of the other line-ups.
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Postby verslibre » Sun May 31, 2009 12:23 pm

Gunbot wrote:"Geezer and the three Wops"


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Postby wastingbeerz » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:17 pm

Didn't the Ozzman leave the band several times over the past 30 years or so? Be it something drug related or just a general fit, he still left, thus gave up pretty much any "equal" share. Iommi kept Sabbath going through thick and thin, lineup change after lineup change. Say what you will, but Tony Martin was as good a singer as Ozzy ever was (maybe even better from a technical standpoint), and that version of Sabbath was as much Sabbath as the Dio or Ozzy versions before them... as you can clearly see and hear here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0QT4mFT4iM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFEglC9OAns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odVK0-54J0A

Call me crazy, but I would love to see this incarnation of the Sabbath live at some point.

Anyway, I think this whole thing comes down to $haron being pissed that Ozzy is pretty much completely out of the Sabbath circle once again, and that the other guys our flourishing with Dio as Heaven & Hell, and getting all the attention these days. They even changed the name out of respect for the original version... even though I don't agree with that... because anytime Tony & Geez are in a band together, that band is obviously Black Sabbath!!!

And, last time I checked... suing for 50% isn't splitting it up four ways...
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Postby Carla777 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:32 pm

wastingbeerz wrote:Didn't the Ozzman leave the band several times over the past 30 years or so? Be it something drug related or just a general fit, he still left, thus gave up pretty much any "equal" share. Iommi kept Sabbath going through thick and thin, lineup change after lineup change. Say what you will, but Tony Martin was as good a singer as Ozzy ever was (maybe even better from a technical standpoint), and that version of Sabbath was as much Sabbath as the Dio or Ozzy versions before them... as you can clearly see and hear here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0QT4mFT4iM

Call me crazy, but I would love to see this incarnation of the Sabbath live at some point.

Anyway, I think this whole thing comes down to $haron being pissed that Ozzy is pretty much completely out of the Sabbath circle once again, and that the other guys our flourishing with Dio as Heaven & Hell, and getting all the attention these days. They even changed the name out of respect for the original version... even though I don't agree with that... because anytime Tony & Geez are in a band together, that band is obviously Black Sabbath!!!

And, last time I checked... suing for 50% isn't splitting it up four ways...


Agree with you with most of your post,btw thanks for the cool vid...Tony Martin era is great too...altough i think he lack of the front man charisma that Ozzy or RJ Dio have...Martin is a little boring at the stage for me, but an awesome singer, no doubt about it..i would love to hear play all the songs from TM time, specially Headless Cross , oh well but we must remember that BS had a great line up that time with the master Cozy Powell in the drums (r.i.p.)..so we never can see them again that complete formation, but well Mister Iommi and company are making a great job with H & H :wink:
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Postby wastingbeerz » Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:30 pm

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wastingbeerz wrote:Didn't the Ozzman leave the band several times over the past 30 years or so? Be it something drug related or just a general fit, he still left, thus gave up pretty much any "equal" share. Iommi kept Sabbath going through thick and thin, lineup change after lineup change. Say what you will, but Tony Martin was as good a singer as Ozzy ever was (maybe even better from a technical standpoint), and that version of Sabbath was as much Sabbath as the Dio or Ozzy versions before them... as you can clearly see and hear here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0QT4mFT4iM

Call me crazy, but I would love to see this incarnation of the Sabbath live at some point.

Anyway, I think this whole thing comes down to $haron being pissed that Ozzy is pretty much completely out of the Sabbath circle once again, and that the other guys our flourishing with Dio as Heaven & Hell, and getting all the attention these days. They even changed the name out of respect for the original version... even though I don't agree with that... because anytime Tony & Geez are in a band together, that band is obviously Black Sabbath!!!

And, last time I checked... suing for 50% isn't splitting it up four ways...


Agree with you with most of your post,btw thanks for the cool vid...Tony Martin era is great too...altough i think he lack of the front man charisma that Ozzy or RJ Dio have...Martin is a little boring at the stage for me, but an awesome singer, no doubt about it..i would love to hear play all the songs from TM time, specially Headless Cross , oh well but we must remember that BS had a great line up that time with the master Cozy Powell in the drums (r.i.p.)..so we never can see them again that complete formation, but well Mister Iommi and company are making a great job with H & H :wink:


I would LOVE to see H&H do something out of the Martin Sab's era... especially from Eternal Idol, Headless Cross, or Cross Purposes... but then that would make them too "Black Sabbath" for Ozzy and $haron at that point... or would it? Considering Ozzy doesn't consider any of the material he's on "Black Sabbath" anyway. I really wish Ozzy would stop listening to $haron's "great" ideas. ::rolls eyes::
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Postby verslibre » Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:41 pm

wastingbeerz wrote:Tony Martin was as good a singer as Ozzy ever was (maybe even better from a technical standpoint)


EVERY singer that sang with Sabbath after Ozzy, with the exception of Ian Gillan, was better!

Ronnie James Dio

Glenn Hughes (by default)

Ray Gillen

Tony Martin

EVERY one of those guys sings circles around Ozzy! This is irrefutable. Anybody who suggests otherwise has a serious case of H.U.A.!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby wastingbeerz » Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:03 am

verslibre wrote:
wastingbeerz wrote:Tony Martin was as good a singer as Ozzy ever was (maybe even better from a technical standpoint)


EVERY singer that sang with Sabbath after Ozzy, with the exception of Ian Gillan, was better!

Ronnie James Dio

Glenn Hughes (by default)

Ray Gillen

Tony Martin

EVERY one of those guys sings circles around Ozzy! This is irrefutable. Anybody who suggests otherwise has a serious case of H.U.A.!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


Oh come on... Ian Gillan was definitely better than Ozzman. All Ozzy really has going for him is being very distinct and having a "cool" vocal sound. Well, at least he used to. Still love all his stuff... but vocally, there are much better singers out there. And him and his
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:14 am

verslibre wrote:this smells more like Sharon's doing.


You beat me to it. :lol:
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Postby Carla777 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:18 am

verslibre wrote:EVERY one of those guys sings circles around Ozzy! This is irrefutable. Anybody who suggests otherwise has a serious case of H.U.A.!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


sorry but what mean :?
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Postby Carla777 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:24 am

verslibre wrote:
wastingbeerz wrote:Tony Martin was as good a singer as Ozzy ever was (maybe even better from a technical standpoint)


EVERY singer that sang with Sabbath after Ozzy, with the exception of Ian Gillan, was better!

Ronnie James Dio

Glenn Hughes (by default)

Ray Gillen

Tony Martin

EVERY one of those guys sings circles around Ozzy! This is irrefutable. Anybody who suggests otherwise has a serious case of H.U.A.!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


i like all those singers, but ozzy was special, had a very unique way to sing, he never got a great voice from a thecnical point of view..but he win in stage presence and charisma....gotta love that silly ozzy!! :twisted:

ps. don't you like it the stoner rock?..
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Postby verslibre » Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:49 am

Carla777 wrote:
verslibre wrote:EVERY one of those guys sings circles around Ozzy! This is irrefutable. Anybody who suggests otherwise has a serious case of H.U.A.!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


sorry but what mean :?


H.U.A. or HUA means "head up ass"! :lol:

(But don't worry, that will NEVER apply to you! :D )
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Postby verslibre » Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:56 am

Carla777 wrote:ps. don't you like it the stoner rock?..


Like Queens Of The Stone Age? I like a couple songs. I think they're overrated. They have a pretty rabid fan base. Since they (and the band they broke off from, Kyuss) are from my neck of the woods, I'm not as impressed as others are. I never liked Kyuss.

Or are there other bands you're thinking of? Stoner rock is a somewhat nebulous genre to me.
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Postby jestor92 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:15 pm

wastingbeerz wrote:Didn't the Ozzman leave the band several times over the past 30 years or so? Be it something drug related or just a general fit, he still left, thus gave up pretty much any "equal" share. Iommi kept Sabbath going through thick and thin, lineup change after lineup change. Say what you will, but Tony Martin was as good a singer as Ozzy ever was (maybe even better from a technical standpoint), and that version of Sabbath was as much Sabbath as the Dio or Ozzy versions before them... as you can clearly see and hear here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0QT4mFT4iM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFEglC9OAns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odVK0-54J0A

Call me crazy, but I would love to see this incarnation of the Sabbath live at some point.

Anyway, I think this whole thing comes down to $haron being pissed that Ozzy is pretty much completely out of the Sabbath circle once again, and that the other guys our flourishing with Dio as Heaven & Hell, and getting all the attention these days. They even changed the name out of respect for the original version... even though I don't agree with that... because anytime Tony & Geez are in a band together, that band is obviously Black Sabbath!!!

And, last time I checked... suing for 50% isn't splitting it up four ways...

Dad thing is the links you posted are from the Cross Purposes album which Martin was supposedly under the weather throughout that tour and having vocal problems. If you want to find a good version of that band with him you should find some footage from the Tyr album's tour.
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Postby jestor92 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:18 pm

verslibre wrote:
wastingbeerz wrote:Tony Martin was as good a singer as Ozzy ever was (maybe even better from a technical standpoint)


EVERY singer that sang with Sabbath after Ozzy, with the exception of Ian Gillan, was better!

Ronnie James Dio

Glenn Hughes (by default)

Ray Gillen

Tony Martin

EVERY one of those guys sings circles around Ozzy! This is irrefutable. Anybody who suggests otherwise has a serious case of H.U.A.!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

False. All of Sabbath's vocals after Ozzy were better then Ozzy. Ozzy just had the distinction of being the original. Odd thing is that when Sabbath recorded Dehumanizer with DIO that they were starting to supposedly get a nice backing back in England and a lot of times when you gain a nice backing in England you usually have America following behind. They had that backing with Tony Martin.
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Postby verslibre » Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:51 pm

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verslibre wrote:
wastingbeerz wrote:Tony Martin was as good a singer as Ozzy ever was (maybe even better from a technical standpoint)


EVERY singer that sang with Sabbath after Ozzy, with the exception of Ian Gillan, was better!

Ronnie James Dio

Glenn Hughes (by default)

Ray Gillen

Tony Martin

EVERY one of those guys sings circles around Ozzy! This is irrefutable. Anybody who suggests otherwise has a serious case of H.U.A.!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

False. All of Sabbath's vocals after Ozzy were better then Ozzy. Ozzy just had the distinction of being the original.


Uh, that's pretty much what I said. :lol:


Except for Ian Gillan, who I don't consider "better than" Ozzy. About even.
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Postby verslibre » Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:58 pm

wastingbeerz wrote:All Ozzy really has going for him is being very distinct and having a "cool" vocal sound. Well, at least he used to. Still love all his stuff... but vocally, there are much better singers out there.


There are about a zillion singers better than Ozz. He's not even in my "tops" short list OR long list.

I just regard him and Ian (Gillan) the same way. The singers that succeeded him (David/Glenn, and Joe) were better.


Btw, you left your last thought incomplete. 8)
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Postby stevew2 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:58 pm

How can he sue anyone? The retard cant even talk right
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Postby Don » Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:00 pm

stevew2 wrote:How can he sue anyone? The retard cant even talk right


It's his She-lion behind all this.
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Postby stevew2 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:02 pm

Gunbot wrote:
stevew2 wrote:How can he sue anyone? The retard cant even talk right


It's his She-lion behind all this.
What the fuck is a she lion?
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Postby Don » Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:06 pm

stevew2 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
stevew2 wrote:How can he sue anyone? The retard cant even talk right


It's his She-lion behind all this.
What the fuck is a she lion?


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Postby stevew2 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:09 pm

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stevew2 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
stevew2 wrote:How can he sue anyone? The retard cant even talk right


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Postby Carla777 » Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:09 am

verslibre wrote:
Carla777 wrote:ps. don't you like it the stoner rock?..


Like Queens Of The Stone Age? I like a couple songs. I think they're overrated. They have a pretty rabid fan base. Since they (and the band they broke off from, Kyuss) are from my neck of the woods, I'm not as impressed as others are. I never liked Kyuss.

Or are there other bands you're thinking of? Stoner rock is a somewhat nebulous genre to me.


i'm not crazy about this genre either, but actually i was thinking in a chilean band called Hielo Negro,i like them, very honest ...and they do this early sabbath rock 8)
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Postby Carla777 » Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:22 am

:evil: what's wrong here??..why no one here seem to like Ozzy in Black Sabbath??..I know,he don't sing well, but he used to give the songs a special atmosphere in the early BS sound..and Ian Gillan...maybe not the best choice for Sabbath but this man had an incredible voice, out of this world, much better than T. Martin voice any day (yeahh i said it! :lol: )..love ozzy work with Sabbath, his early solo records are outstanding, and Gillan is for me in my top singer from all times!
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Postby verslibre » Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:26 am

Carla777 wrote:
verslibre wrote:
Carla777 wrote:ps. don't you like it the stoner rock?..


Like Queens Of The Stone Age? I like a couple songs. I think they're overrated. They have a pretty rabid fan base. Since they (and the band they broke off from, Kyuss) are from my neck of the woods, I'm not as impressed as others are. I never liked Kyuss.

Or are there other bands you're thinking of? Stoner rock is a somewhat nebulous genre to me.


i'm not crazy about this genre either, but actually i was thinking in a chilean band called Hielo Negro,i like them, very honest ...and they do this early sabbath rock 8)


Hielo Negro? Black Ice? That's what ice in my big 44oz. cup looks like when I pour Coke or Pepsi into it. :D
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Postby verslibre » Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:29 am

Carla777 wrote::evil: what's wrong here??..why no one here seem to like Ozzy in Black Sabbath??..I know,he don't sing well, but he used to give the songs a special atmosphere in the early BS sound..and Ian Gillan...maybe not the best choice for Sabbath but this man had an incredible voice, out of this world, much better than T. Martin voice any day (yeahh i said it! :lol: )..love ozzy work with Sabbath, his early solo records are outstanding, and Gillan is for me in my top singer from all times!


I never said I don't like Ozzy at all. It's just that he...pales in comparison to Dio! :lol:

Sorry. Seriously, I love Sabbath Bloody Sabbath! It's awesome. Sabotage, Technical Ecstacy and Never Say Die! are great, too.

You think Ian Gillan has a better voice than Tony Martin? Hmmm...maybe now he does. Tony's voice doesn't sound like it used to. But in '86-'96 Tony beat the pants off Ian (not literally, hahahaha)!
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Postby Carla777 » Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:49 am

verslibre wrote:
Carla777 wrote::evil: what's wrong here??..why no one here seem to like Ozzy in Black Sabbath??..I know,he don't sing well, but he used to give the songs a special atmosphere in the early BS sound..and Ian Gillan...maybe not the best choice for Sabbath but this man had an incredible voice, out of this world, much better than T. Martin voice any day (yeahh i said it! :lol: )..love ozzy work with Sabbath, his early solo records are outstanding, and Gillan is for me in my top singer from all times!


I never said I don't like Ozzy at all. It's just that he...pales in comparison to Dio! :lol:

Sorry. Seriously, I love Sabbath Bloody Sabbath! It's awesome. Sabotage, Technical Ecstacy and Never Say Die! are great, too.

You think Ian Gillan has a better voice than Tony Martin? Hmmm...maybe now he does. Tony's voice doesn't sound like it used to. But in '86-'96 Tony beat the pants off Ian (not literally, hahahaha)!


Ozzy and Dio are great front men, but yes there is mayor difference in vocal quality, of course Dio is in another level as a singer....now the second one...dear i respect most of your opinions here :wink: ...but you are SOO WRONG this time; look at 86' Ian sing a little early (if i'm correct 85, or 84)in Perfect Strangers album with Deep Purple..i mean common!! Knocking at your back door,Wasted Sunsets, and how forget Perfect Strangers ..perfect vocal register, he can any day kick Tony Martin ass, in every way, as a singer and as a frontman..excuse me but is Ian Gillan!!!he is unique, more respect damn it!! :lol: :lol: :D
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