President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

Naw, these were not regular folk, like youse guys are. These were right wing extremist that DHS is on the lookout for. There should have been a mass round up yesterday all around the country.

Following on the heels of the Unitarian church shooter (who claimed he "wanted to kill every Democrat in the Senate and House"), now, another right wing psycopath has taken the law into their own hands and shot an abortion provider in cold blood at his church.
Still think the DHS report is a big laugh, FF?

Yes, they should have focused more on NOI members in our prisons. Like the one who shot 2 Army Recuiters today in Little Rock. One is dead.

Just after 5:00 this evening, Little Rock Police say Abulhakin Muhammad, also known as Carlos Bledsoe, is charged with capital murder and 15 counts of terroristic acts after a shooting at an Army/Navy recruitment center on Rodney Parham Road in Little Rock.

You're setting up a false either/or straw argument.
You have NO proof that right wing extremists were looked into at the expense of other threats to the country.
By implication, you demean the men and women who work to keep us safe, and their ability to focus on more than one threat at a time.
Why, how very Pelosi-esque of you.

Under Bush, reports on left wing extremists were issued.
Are you saying that diverted attention away from the War on Terror?
Even now, left wing extremist groups, in addition to the right, continue to be under the microscope - and well they should be.*
Unlike you, I think our intelligence agencies are more than capable of handling extremists of any religious or political denomination.

*http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/obtained-dhs-memo-warning-of-left-wing-extremists/

[Rhiannon]

Only in the South.....

Because someone shooting someone else for no logical reason or for a foolish ideal happens NOWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD........

RIGHT?!

[Eric]

While I think the Obama administration is a trainwreck and getting worse by the day, Bama did do a couple of good things the past 2 weeks:

1) Went to Michigan and told the laid off autoworkers there that their auto jobs were NOT coming back. Someone needed to be honest and just tell them that
and now focus on re-training

2) Floated an idea/plan about taking over folks houses that they are way behind on...and renting it back to them. This way...as I see it...the Government gets assets that long-term are an investment, the banks don't get screwed...and the folks don't have to leave their homes. I typically don't favor any government inteference, but in this case its a creative thought at least. The critics say that people will lose equity, but if they had equity they could use it to refinance or take a line out to pay the past due mortgages.

[The_Noble_Cause]

2) Floated an idea/plan about taking over folks houses that they are way behind on...and renting it back to them. This way...as I see it...the Government gets assets that long-term are an investment, the banks don't get screwed...and the folks don't have to leave their homes. I typically don't favor any government inteference, but in this case its a creative thought at least. The critics say that people will lose equity, but if they had equity they could use it to refinance or take a line out to pay the past due mortgages.

Wasn't this also done during the Great Depression/New Deal?

Any thoughts on Cheney's assasination squad, which a few months ago your political guru, Falafel O'Reilly, laughed off?

[separate_wayz]

Proof of widespread mental illness in our nation's capital.

("Paging George Orwell: call waiting in your office ..... ")

I think Joe Biden is going to give us years' worth of memorable, retarded quotes.

Joe Biden: ‘We Have to Spend Money to Keep From Going Bankrupt’

Thursday, July 16, 2009

Vice President Joe Biden told people attending an AARP town hall meeting that unless the Democrat-supported health care plan becomes law the nation will go bankrupt and that the only way to avoid that fate is for the government to spend more money.

“And folks look, AARP knows and the people with me here today know, the president knows, and I know, that the status quo is simply not acceptable,” Biden said at the event on Thursday in Alexandria, Va. “It’s totally unacceptable. And it’s completely unsustainable. Even if we wanted to keep it the way we have it now. It can’t do it financially.”

“We’re going to go bankrupt as a nation,” Biden said.

“Now, people when I say that look at me and say, ‘What are you talking about, Joe? You’re telling me we have to go spend money to keep from going bankrupt?’” Biden said. “The answer is yes, that's what I’m telling you.”

[donnaplease]

IDK about that one... He may have been denied here too. There are too many people who are dying (pardon the pun) to have organs to "waste" one on someone who may not make the best use of it. My brother donated several organs when he died, and I would have certainly wanted his organs to go to someone who would 'appreciate' it more. Sorry if that sounds harsh, it's just he way I feel. I don't know the details of it, but I do know there are certain criteria to even get on the donor waiting list.

[hoagiepete]

I haven't been keeping up on all the posts so excuse me if this has been stated.

Pres. Obama's (and congressional leadership's) push to pass sweeping legislation in such short order is scaring me to death. First the stimulus package was passed without anyone (not even staffers) reading the damn bill, days after Obama promised to post the bill for the citizens to read, and now they want to turn the healthcare system updside down with artificial deadlines of getting the bill passed.

I've been involved with a state legislature for over a decade and every year they wait to the end of the session to pass out a ton of bills. Bills that are being drafted by revisors in the middle of the night and distributed to the conference committee the morning they vote. Many don't have the opportunity for hearings in both houses. This is when bad legislation is passed. They almost always have to come back and clean it up the next year. At least they have an excuse the session is only 120 days long. Obama and Pellosi have no such excuse... and I can assure you BAD legislation is going to be passed doing this.

It is a trainwreck unfolding in slow motion.

I have been willing to give Obama a chance, but he's going down a road that doesn't seem good for the US. His inexperience is showing through. It seems like he is trying to run the country like a community organizing group in Chicago. Oh...and to call him a great orator! What a frickin' joke. I could do that with a teleprompter every place I went. I would be embarrased if I had to do that everytime I had a speaking engagement or provided testimony.

Also, it cracks me up how the media is ignoring VP Biden's idiocy. It would have been a feeding frenzy had it been an R in office. You talk about someone that should scare the shit out of you. I'd say we are about even now with this guy.

Well, at least they are slowing down on Card Check. That would have been the trifecta to completely ruin business as we know it.

Oh...disagree if you want, but references to what past administrations did don't mean shit. What they are doing is irresponsible, completely ignoring the ramifications of their actions. Do they have blinders on or do they just not care? This just scares the hell out of me.

I'm done with my quarterly rant. Pounce if you want.

[Carrington]

I haven't been keeping up on all the posts so excuse me if this has been stated.

Pres. Obama's (and congressional leadership's) push do pass sweeping legislation in such short order is scaring me to death. First the stimulus package was passed without anyone (not even staffers) reading the damn bill, days after Obama promised to post the bill for the citizens to read, and now they want to turn the healthcare system updside down with artificial deadlines of getting the bill passed.

I've been involved with a state legislature for over a decade and every year they wait to the end of the session to pass out a ton of bills. Bills that are being drafted by revisors in the middle of the night and distributed to the conference committee the morning they vote. Many don't have the opportunity for hearings in both houses. This is when bad legislation is passed. They almost always have to come back and clean it up the next year. At least they have an excuse the session is only 120 days long. Obama and Pellosi have no such excuse... and I can assure you BAD legislation is going to be passed doing this.

It is a trainwreck unfolding in slow motion.

I have been willing to give Obama a chance, but he's going down a road that doesn't seem good for the US. His inexperience is showing through. It seems like he is trying to run the country like a community organizing group in Chicago. Oh...and to call him a great orator! What a frickin' joke. I could do that with a teleprompter every place I went. I would be embarrased if I had to do that everytime I had a speaking engagement or provided testimony.

Also, it cracks me up how the media is ignoring VP Biden's idiocy. It would have been a feeding frenzy had it been an R in office. You talk about someone that should scare the shit out of you. I'd say we are about even now with this guy.

Well, at least they are slowing down on Card Check. That would have been the trifecta to completely ruin business as we know it.

Oh...disagree if you want, but references to what past administrations did don't mean shit. What they are doing is irresponsible, completely ignoring the ramifications of their actions. Do they have blinders on or do they just not care? This just scares the hell out of me.

I'm done with my quarterly rant. Pounce if you want.

Your spot on........everyone should wake up.

[Memorex]

I haven't been keeping up on all the posts so excuse me if this has been stated.

Pres. Obama's (and congressional leadership's) push do pass sweeping legislation in such short order is scaring me to death. First the stimulus package was passed without anyone (not even staffers) reading the damn bill, days after Obama promised to post the bill for the citizens to read, and now they want to turn the healthcare system updside down with artificial deadlines of getting the bill passed.

I've been involved with a state legislature for over a decade and every year they wait to the end of the session to pass out a ton of bills. Bills that are being drafted by revisors in the middle of the night and distributed to the conference committee the morning they vote. Many don't have the opportunity for hearings in both houses. This is when bad legislation is passed. They almost always have to come back and clean it up the next year. At least they have an excuse the session is only 120 days long. Obama and Pellosi have no such excuse... and I can assure you BAD legislation is going to be passed doing this.

It is a trainwreck unfolding in slow motion.

I have been willing to give Obama a chance, but he's going down a road that doesn't seem good for the US. His inexperience is showing through. It seems like he is trying to run the country like a community organizing group in Chicago. Oh...and to call him a great orator! What a frickin' joke. I could do that with a teleprompter every place I went. I would be embarrased if I had to do that everytime I had a speaking engagement or provided testimony.

Also, it cracks me up how the media is ignoring VP Biden's idiocy. It would have been a feeding frenzy had it been an R in office. You talk about someone that should scare the shit out of you. I'd say we are about even now with this guy.

Well, at least they are slowing down on Card Check. That would have been the trifecta to completely ruin business as we know it.

Oh...disagree if you want, but references to what past administrations did don't mean shit. What they are doing is irresponsible, completely ignoring the ramifications of their actions. Do they have blinders on or do they just not care? This just scares the hell out of me.

I'm done with my quarterly rant. Pounce if you want.

Here is my concern about the speed of things. If it is worth doing, it is worth debate and careful deliberation. For example, the president wants to close Gitmo - so right away he set a deadline. Then, you take that year or so and work towards a solution that makes sense. He made a decision, set a date, and then put people to work on it. I can respect that approach on any subject, whether I agree with a person or not. What I have trouble with is when someone is acting exactly the same as the person before him, yet acting as if he is different. Obama does this a lot. So I have an issue with the speed at which some things are happening. I have a real problem with the way congress is acting – passing bills without reading them, not allowing debate, etc. And knowing full well it is all because of the president’s popularity and the fear that reduced popularity will result in getting through less of his agenda. I’m not one of these cram it down their faces people. I am one that says 52% voted one way, 48% voted the other. Our laws must be for 100% of our people.

Health care, for example. The president and congress want this passed because they genuinely feel that our current system is broken and it needs a change. I think that is a fact, regardless of whether or not you believe in the change they want. However, the reason they want to move so quickly is for two reasons and two reasons only. The president’s slipping poll numbers and the fact that the Dems will likely lose a series of seats for 2011 and may not have the huge majority they enjoy right now. I think there is also fear that if it takes too long, more people will begin to question the cost. So far, no one outside of political supporters have said this current plan will save money, but rather they have said it will end up costing more. Not talking about right wingers or radio people, but the CBO.

And I know I am right about the speed being a concern because until yesterday, I really didn’t care which way all this went. I know that there will be insurance for all by the time this is done. I know it will be expensive. I know it will benefit many and be a frustration for some. No way around that. Most importantly, I saw the president on TV several times saying, “If you like your coverage, keep it.” True, but now the house version of the bill says that no insurance company can offer new coverage to anyone, outside of dependants. So I would not be able to switch coverage and if my employer decides to take the no health insurance fine (which he has said he will have to do), I MUST go to the public option. Generally, this all gets worked out in debate and there would be no worries about that part coming out. But with things moving so fast, there is a danger that those types of things will remain. That’s just crazy to me.

I know we have to do something and do it fairly quick, but not this quick and not without a lot of brain power put behind it. That’s all I’m saying. I think people who want to move this fast are trying to pull one over on the public. It makes me uncomfortable, to be honest.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=332548165656854

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31949211/ns/politics-cq_politics/

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/health_care_obama/2009/07/19/237484.html

[treetopovskaya]

I haven't been keeping up on all the posts so excuse me if this has been stated.

Pres. Obama's (and congressional leadership's) push do pass sweeping legislation in such short order is scaring me to death. First the stimulus package was passed without anyone (not even staffers) reading the damn bill, days after Obama promised to post the bill for the citizens to read, and now they want to turn the healthcare system updside down with artificial deadlines of getting the bill passed.

I've been involved with a state legislature for over a decade and every year they wait to the end of the session to pass out a ton of bills. Bills that are being drafted by revisors in the middle of the night and distributed to the conference committee the morning they vote. Many don't have the opportunity for hearings in both houses. This is when bad legislation is passed. They almost always have to come back and clean it up the next year. At least they have an excuse the session is only 120 days long. Obama and Pellosi have no such excuse... and I can assure you BAD legislation is going to be passed doing this.

It is a trainwreck unfolding in slow motion.

I have been willing to give Obama a chance, but he's going down a road that doesn't seem good for the US. His inexperience is showing through. It seems like he is trying to run the country like a community organizing group in Chicago. Oh...and to call him a great orator! What a frickin' joke. I could do that with a teleprompter every place I went. I would be embarrased if I had to do that everytime I had a speaking engagement or provided testimony.

Also, it cracks me up how the media is ignoring VP Biden's idiocy. It would have been a feeding frenzy had it been an R in office. You talk about someone that should scare the shit out of you. I'd say we are about even now with this guy.

Well, at least they are slowing down on Card Check. That would have been the trifecta to completely ruin business as we know it.

Oh...disagree if you want, but references to what past administrations did don't mean shit. What they are doing is irresponsible, completely ignoring the ramifications of their actions. Do they have blinders on or do they just not care? This just scares the hell out of me.

I'm done with my quarterly rant. Pounce if you want.

Your spot on........everyone should wake up.

agreed.

it seems the gov wants all of us dependent on them... scary.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think there is also fear that if it takes too long, more people will begin to question the cost. So far, no one outside of political supporters have said this current plan will save money, but rather they have said it will end up costing more. Not talking about right wingers or radio people, but the CBO.

Did the CBO look at it with the public option?
The CBO also predicted that Clinton would leave us with a 50 billion deficit and not a surplus, and thought the stock market bubble would last forever in 2001.
I think most of the whiners are just scared that there's actually an excecutive-in-chief who's getting things done.

[hoagiepete]

I think there is also fear that if it takes too long, more people will begin to question the cost. So far, no one outside of political supporters have said this current plan will save money, but rather they have said it will end up costing more. Not talking about right wingers or radio people, but the CBO.

Did the CBO look at it with the public option?
The CBO also predicted that Clinton would leave us with a 50 billion deficit and not a surplus, and thought the stock market bubble would last forever in 2001.
I think most of the whiners are just scared that there's actually an excecutive-in-chief who's getting things done.

And consequences be damned.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And consequences be damned.

Obama inherited a mess and now has to fix things.
It's that simple.
By the time FDR was done laying the groundwork for modern society debt-to-GDP ran in the trillions.
I love how you offer a disclaimer in your post saying "references to what past administrations did don't mean shit."
Of course, as you know, this is disingenuous to the extreme.
You can’t talk about new expenditures like the stimulus plan without talking about the preceeding events that prompted them.
Keep up the chicken little histrionics, and Obama will keep doing what he needs to do to steer the ship of state.
Almost every meaningful legislation in history, from Social Security to the minimum wage, was accompanied by a doomsayer GOP chorus.

[Eric]

Obama inherited a mess and now has to fix things.

He's fucking up stuff without any help now

[The_Noble_Cause]

Obama inherited a mess and now has to fix things.

He's fucking up stuff without any help now

Right.
And the Somali pirates went on the attack because Obama bowed to the Saudi King.
In your whorish lust for power, you guys will stoop to saying anything.
What really gets your goat is the fact that Obama is tackling more issues head-on in hist first year than Bush did in eight.
To be fair, Dubya did try to put soc. security into Wall Street right before it crashed.

[tupchurch]

And consequences be damned.

Obama inherited a mess and now has to fix things.
It's that simple.By the time FDR was done laying the groundwork for modern society debt-to-GDP ran in the trillions.
I love how you offer a disclaimer in your post saying "references to what past administrations did don't mean shit."
Of course, as you know, this is disingenuous to the extreme.
You can’t talk about new expenditures like the stimulus plan without talking about the preceeding events that prompted them.
Keep up the chicken little histrionics, and Obama will keep doing what he needs to do to steer the ship of state.
Almost every meaningful legislation in history, from Social Security to the minimum wage, was accompanied by a doomsayer GOP chorus.

I am so sick and tired of hearing this crap about Obama inheriting a mess, because they always put the blame on somebody else. The people responsible for the financial mess we are are in is Chris Dodd and Fat Barney Frank and Obama has done nothing to help out. In fact he has made it worse becuase he is a stupid socialist. Yuch!!

[Eric]

To be fair, Dubya did try to put soc. security into Wall Street right before it crashed.

Half is better than nothing, which is what anyone under 40 will get from Social Security.

[Eric]

What really gets your goat is the fact that Obama is tackling more issues head-on in hist first year than Bush did in eight.

What exactly is he getting done? What issues is he tackling?

This should be good

[Carrington]

Unseemly haste, thy name is Obama

What’s the hurry? “I need $800 billion and I need it now, today.” Thus President Obama (summa dixit) shortly after taking office last winter. Maybe it’s all part of what Governor Mitch Daniels has called the Obama administration’s “shock and awe statism”: startle the punters with outrageous demands. Then tell them you want them met immediately, toot sweet, eftsoons and right speedily. “Don’t bother reading the bill, just give me the money.” It really was a breathtaking performance. He almost got away with it.

Almost. Sure, he got the dough. But the rumble you’ve been hearing in the background are doubts congregating. Any real stimulus does–what? It stimulates. And what has the President’s “stimulus” (really, a spending) package given us (apart from higher taxes coming to a paycheck near you, I mean)? Take your time . . .

Anyway, now that Obama is trying a repeat performance with the way we provide health care in this country, that rumble I mentioned is growing into a deafening roar. Yesterday, Obama had the temerity to insist that his plan to nationalize health care be passed RIGHT NOW, before Congress recessed in August. Then he compounded the temerity by insisting that “the deadline isn’t being set by me. It’s being set by the American people.” Oh yeah? Or rather, sez who?

Last week, I was having lunch with a politically astute friend who observed that Obama’s unseemly haste was a trademark. Maybe it’s all part of the Rahm Emmanuel policy of not letting a good crisis go to waste. Whatever the origin of Obama’s impatience, it ought to be resisted. As my friend pointed out, Obama’s gambit actually conceals a cynical and unflattering view of the electorate. “Pass this humongous, multi-trillion dollar bill to nationalize and ration health care right now or it will never pass.”

Right you are, Pres! But hold on. My friend was quite right that the reason for the haste unseemly was Obama’s recognition that were his plan to impose socialized medicine subject to normal scrutiny, it would be subject to what the internists among you would describe as the political analogue of reverse peristalsis: i.e., the public would vomit it back into the laps of PelosiKennedy and soon to-be-former Senator Reid. I’m sure he was right about that.

Here are a few things to keep in mind:

– Universal health insurance is not the same thing as universal health care.

I hate to belabor the obvious, but it may be worth pointing out that what the Democrats’ plan amounts to is a giant government-run boondoggle. It will increase the intrusiveness of government bureaucrats; it will increase the time you wait (unless you work for the government) for a medical procedure; for most people, it will certainly increase what you pay for health care. What it will erode is the relationship between doctor and patient and the overall quality of health care. A KimballQuickInvestmentTip: if the health care legislation is passed in anything like its current format, buy stock in funeral homes and gurney manufacturers. They’ll have a boom.

– Health care is not a right, it is a service.


Your toilet breaks. You call a plumber.The plumber comes and fixes your toilet. He gives you a bill. Why should it be different when you break your arm and go to the doctor?

– But wait, people in this country already get medical care whether they can pay for it or not.

You understand that, right? Let’s say you are indigent and get run over by a low-carbon-emitting, clean-fuel, environmentally friendly bus. You are taken to the emergency room. You get treated whether or not you have any dough. As always happens when the government gets involved, the proposed health care legislation would make it more, not less, difficult for doctors and hospitals ro donate services to the needy.

– A related point about Obama’s popularity.

People keep telling me how wildly popular Obama himself is, even if support for virtually all his major initiatives is eroding. Not true–the first bit, I mean. David Brooks had an interesting piece in our former paper of record today about the “Liberal Suicide March.” I think he’s right about the direction of the march. But why, apart from the sentiments of his colleagues at that fast-sinking newspaper, does he believe that “Most Americans love Barack Obama personally.” Every poll I’ve seen suggests the opposite. Nota bene: Obama did not “win by a landslide,” as the good people from Acorn, MoveOn.org, CNN, and The New York Times like to imply. He won by a margin of about 52-46–respectable these days but not hardly a landslide. And since being elected, Obama has, despite a moment of euphoria among the left, sunk steadily in the public’s estimation. In fact, he ranks 10th out of the 12 post-war presidents at this point in his tenure. Politico reports that “the number of Americans who say they trust the president has fallen from 66 percent to 54 percent. At the same time, the percentage of those who say they do not trust the president has jumped from 31 to 42.” Could it be worse? Sure. And it probably will be soon.

There is a larger question about Obama. Back when he was campaigning, some commentators assured us that, despite his hard-left associates, pronouncements, and instincts, Obama really was a “pragmatist” who who govern from the center. Any evidence of that yet? I think Bill McGurn is right that, so-far, Obama has been anything but “post-partisan.” But as the rats desert the ship and his poll numbers plummet, one wonders whether Obama will muster the political canniness that saved Bill Clinton. Clinton’s great asset was his utter lack of conviction about anything beyond his own political survival. Given his druthers, he would have liked to enact HillaryCare, expand welfare and other social programs, and pay for it all by raising taxes. But political reality intervened and he wound up enacting a boatload of Republican-inspired legislation from welfare reform on down. Will Obama opt for a similar skin-saving expedient?

Wake me up when he fires Rahm Emmanuel and David Axelrod.

No, I’m not holding my breath.

and the best response to this piece

Outside government, when someone you hardly know wants you to sign on for something (time-share, used car), there is a word for it: hustle.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I am so sick and tired of hearing this crap about Obama inheriting a mess, because they always put the blame on somebody else. The people responsible for the financial mess we are are in is Chris Dodd and Fat Barney Frank and Obama has done nothing to help out.

Great soundbyte.
Can you back it up?
Especially when the conservative likes of Alan Greenspan and Fed Governor, Randall Kroszner, all stated Freddie and Fannie and the Community Reinvestment Act are not to blame.

In fact he has made it worse becuase he is a stupid socialist. Yuch!!

What are you? Five?
Throwing public money at Goldman Sachs is not socialism, dumbass.

[strangegrey]

What really gets your goat is the fact that Obama is tackling more issues head-on in hist first year than Bush did in eight.

What exactly is he getting done? What issues is he tackling?

This should be good

Agreed. I'd like to see this list too!

[The_Noble_Cause]

What exactly is he getting done? What issues is he tackling?

This should be good

You're kidding right?
Isn't the fact that we are discussing healthcare proof enough?
From global warming to healthcare to credit card regulations to seeing to it that "too-big-too-fail" investment banks can never again bring the economy to its knees, Obama is tackling a multi-headed hydra with both hands.

Half is better than nothing, which is what anyone under 40 will get from Social Security.

Wanna see what happens when you privatize soc. security?
Look no further than Italy...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... y4gEh9wups

[The_Noble_Cause]

Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem- ... r_embedded

You DO know what else Raygun was selling to the American people back then, don't you?

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[Eric]

Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem- ... r_embedded

You DO know what else Raygun was selling to the American people back then, don't you?

I have no problem with that. People have a choice if they want to smoke or not.

[Eric]

What exactly is he getting done? What issues is he tackling?

This should be good

You're kidding right?
Isn't the fact that we are discussing healthcare proof enough?
From global warming to healthcare to credit card regulations to seeing to it that "too-big-too-fail" investment banks can never again bring the economy to its knees, Obama is tackling a multi-headed hydra with both hands.

Half is better than nothing, which is what anyone under 40 will get from Social Security.

Wanna see what happens when you privatize soc. security?
Look no further than Italy...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... y4gEh9wups

Trying to push a socialized insurance plan through is not tackling issues. Global Warming is BS - I don't want my tax money spent on shooting shit at the clouds. And neither of the other items you mentioned have done or helped shit.

Nice try.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Trying to push a socialized insurance plan through is not tackling issues.

Is reforming healthcare on the agenda or not?
You may not agree with the means or the end, but there's no denying he's out there making the case.

Global Warming is BS - I don't want my tax money spent on shooting shit at the clouds.

What you think is immaterial.
You asked what issues has Obama tackled.
Global warming is one of them.

And neither of the other items you mentioned have done or helped shit.

Just because Bill O'Reilly didn't regurgitate it down your windpipe in his Talking Points Memo doesn't mean it's not happening.

The credit card consumer protections passed (including restrictions on unfair rate increases, late fees etc) are HUGE.
The financial sector reforms, while giving too much power to the Fed, are similarly an overdue step in the right direction.

[Eric]

Trying to push a socialized insurance plan through is not tackling issues.

Is reforming healthcare on the agenda or not?
You may not agree with the means or the end, but there's no denying he's out there making the case.

Global Warming is BS - I don't want my tax money spent on shooting shit at the clouds.

What you think is immaterial.
You asked what issues has Obama tackled.
Global warming is one of them.

And neither of the other items you mentioned have done or helped shit.

Just because Bill O'Reilly didn't regurgitate it down your windpipe in his Talking Points Memo doesn't mean it's not happening.
The credit card consumer protections passed (including restrictions on unfair rate increases, late fees etc) are HUGE.
The financial sector reforms, while giving too much power to the Fed, are similarly an overdue step in the right direction.

Issues:

Economy - F. The mere spiking of his poll numbers sent shivers down the economy last fall, and its continued to get worse each day since he was elected. Stocks are lower, unemployment is much higher.

Terrorism - Keeping us safe by quietly using W's playbook, but closing Gitmo would be a step in the wrong direction.

Healthcare - It needs to be fixed, not changed to a proven failed model.

Iran - Time will tell if the soft approach works

North Korea - Time will tell if the soft approach works

Iraq - Following W's deadline to remove troops from major cities was good.

By going after a non-issue like Global warming, he's ignoring more important and pressing items.

[strangegrey]

Issues:

Economy - F. The mere spiking of his poll numbers sent shivers down the economy last fall, and its continued to get worse each day since he was elected. Stocks are lower, unemployment is much higher.

Terrorism - Keeping us safe by quietly using W's playbook, but closing Gitmo would be a step in the wrong direction.

Healthcare - It needs to be fixed, not changed to a proven failed model.

Iran - Time will tell if the soft approach works

North Korea - Time will tell if the soft approach works

Iraq - Following W's deadline to remove troops from major cities was good.

By going after a non-issue like Global warming, he's ignoring more important and pressing items.

From where I stand, the soft stance has already failed with Iran and North Korea, but I'm sure we can allow YoMama the latitude to see how this plays out (unless one of the above mentioned dictatorships does something stupid like blow up a city with a nuke)....

Global Warming is an issue that is going to drag the Democrat party into the doldrums, just like Abortion has with the republicans. I'll be more than happy to watch lefties champion this issue for a while. It's going to blow up in their face....

See above comments regarding Global Warming, with respect to Health Care. If people think Health Care is expensive now, just wait until it's free.



Which leads us to the Economy....which is the big albatross on YoMama's back. An economy that's not just Hayseed Bush's fault. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and plenty of others on the left side of the aisle share in the butchers bill here. The fact remains that the market tanked pretty fucking hard when YoMama took office...In fact, it's only recently neared the levels it was prior to YoMama taking office.

However, the current status of the market (which is a fluent thing and could very well dump 1000 points over the next 2 weeks) is not the entire issue here. Foreclosures continue to rise. Unemployment is above 10% in several states....If anyone thinks that raising taxes to pay for universal healthcare is going to help this current economic climate, they're either in a position to benefit from the raised taxes or a certified idiot.

There comes a point where the responsibility of the economy lies with the sitting president, not the previous one. YoMama needs to start taking responsibility for the economic changes that happened to the economy after he swore his oath of office. Anything short of that, proves he's no leader, but gutless. I think at this point, YoMama's handlers need to stop pointing fingers at Hayseed and start addressing the ecnomic factors that took place AFTER January 21....

[The_Noble_Cause]

Which leads us to the Economy....which is the big albatross on YoMama's back. An economy that's not just Hayseed Bush's fault. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and plenty of others on the left side of the aisle share in the butchers bill here. The fact remains that the market tanked pretty fucking hard when YoMama took office...In fact, it's only recently neared the levels it was prior to YoMama taking office.

However, the current status of the market (which is a fluent thing and could very well dump 1000 points over the next 2 weeks) is not the entire issue here. Foreclosures continue to rise. Unemployment is above 10% in several states....If anyone thinks that raising taxes to pay for universal healthcare is going to help this current economic climate, they're either in a position to benefit from the raised taxes or a certified idiot.

There comes a point where the responsibility of the economy lies with the sitting president, not the previous one. YoMama needs to start taking responsibility for the economic changes that happened to the economy after he swore his oath of office. Anything short of that, proves he's no leader, but gutless. I think at this point, YoMama's handlers need to stop pointing fingers at Hayseed and start addressing the ecnomic factors that took place AFTER January 21....

Obama and Biden have accepted responsibility plenty of times.
As recently as last week Obama said: "I love these folks who helped get us in this mess and then suddenly say, 'Well, this is Obama's economy.' That's fine. Give it to me!"
Biden also recently commented: "The truth is, there was a misreading of just how bad an economy we inherited. Now, that doesn't -- I'm not -- it's now our responsibility."

Also, you yourself have complained about Clinton's repeal of Glass-Steagall.
Obama's alleged radical reforms don't even go so far as restoring it.
What makes you think the market would react positively to ANY regulation?
Why do you think the financial services sector spent untold millions lobbying Congress to get those banking firewalls removed in the first place?

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I am so sick and tired of hearing this crap about Obama inheriting a mess, because they always put the blame on somebody else. The people responsible for the financial mess we are are in is Chris Dodd and Fat Barney Frank and Obama has done nothing to help out.

Great soundbyte.
Can you back it up?
Especially when the conservative likes of Alan Greenspan and Fed Governor, Randall Kroszner, all stated Freddie and Fannie and the Community Reinvestment Act are not to blame.

In fact he has made it worse becuase he is a stupid socialist. Yuch!!

What are you? Five?
Throwing public money at Goldman Sachs is not socialism, dumbass.

Can I back it up? I simply got this fact from watching the news and reading about it in the paper. As far as my socialist comment goes, I say that because of his constant redistribution of wealth. And Mr Obama talks about that all the time.