Journey "Higher Place" 3/09/2009

[stevew2]

Good find,I always liked that song, in fact the whole CD I still like this version the best http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBpxriDg7pA

Me too. Definitely my fave post-Perry Journey song. Deen does a great job on it. Bought the Arrival dvd on a whim and glad I did. That's a great song and La Raza Del Sol live were worth the price right there. And that's when I first noticed Deen, he's just so friggin fun to watch on that dvd......just having a grand old time back there, smilin' and bopping around.

Deen and Steve both shine on that song,even Friga does a great job on the organ solo,of course we are talking Friga,no wonder. Rev. and Gen. combined doesnt come close to Arrival

[Saint John]

Gideon, don't mess with Mimi. She'll take your ass out. You keep fucking around and she'll have you over her knee. Stand down on this one, man. Go watch cartoons or something.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Great find. Love this song. By the way, I'm thinking this recording might be an in-ear monitor recording, which is extremely hard to come by. If it is, I would love to get a recording of the whole show. It might not be, because the sound quality isn't the greatest. But if you listen to the end of the YouTube track, you hear someone say "Lights," and then count off "one, two, three..." while Arnel is talking. Might be a feed taken from one of the band member's in-ear monitors.

[texafana]

Deen's vocals were always prominent on the Arrival version.
Augeri and Deen would harmonize during the bridge.
I could be wrong, but from 3:11-3:45 it sounds like Deen's voice is layered with his own Arrival background vocal.
In other words, now on lead, he is harmonizing with himself.
Either way, it's probably the best HP boot I've ever heard.
Nice find Gideon.

a) You can hear the computer sync track "1,2,3,4,2,2,3,4" at the beginning. Lol...

b) What's funny is, Deen is singing not harmony with himself but the "same thing" as his pre recorded vocal. On the CD Deen sings the high notes and here Deen (both Deens) are singing the same high notes. He should have been sinhing the lower notes live with the pre recorded high notes. I guess he was just caught up in the moment.

c) This is one of the worst songs for showcasing all the prerecorded tracks. Vocals, keys, guitars, etc... fugly. They might as well just have deen come out in front and sing to a karaoke track.

[stevew2]

Great find. Love this song. By the way, I'm thinking this recording might be an in-ear monitor recording, which is extremely hard to come by. If it is, I would love to get a recording of the whole show. It might not be, because the sound quality isn't the greatest. But if you listen to the end of the YouTube track, you hear someone say "Lights," and then count off "one, two, three..." while Arnel is talking. Might be a feed taken from one of the band member's in-ear monitors.

pray it aint this

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Great find. Love this song. By the way, I'm thinking this recording might be an in-ear monitor recording, which is extremely hard to come by. If it is, I would love to get a recording of the whole show. It might not be, because the sound quality isn't the greatest. But if you listen to the end of the YouTube track, you hear someone say "Lights," and then count off "one, two, three..." while Arnel is talking. Might be a feed taken from one of the band member's in-ear monitors.

pray it aint this

No, that's not it thank goodness. The spoken intro in the in-ear monitor is just to make sure the band comes in with the right song at the right time. For our purposes, if someone does have an in-ear monitor bootleg of this show the sound quality is going to be phenomenal. No crowd noise or bad audio recording. It's almost like a soundboard bootleg. I hope this shows up in the trading circles at some point.

[stevew2]

Great find. Love this song. By the way, I'm thinking this recording might be an in-ear monitor recording, which is extremely hard to come by. If it is, I would love to get a recording of the whole show. It might not be, because the sound quality isn't the greatest. But if you listen to the end of the YouTube track, you hear someone say "Lights," and then count off "one, two, three..." while Arnel is talking. Might be a feed taken from one of the band member's in-ear monitors.

pray it aint this

No, that's not it thank goodness. The spoken intro in the in-ear monitor is just to make sure the band comes in with the right song at the right time. For our purposes, if someone does have an in-ear monitor bootleg of this show the sound quality is going to be phenomenal. No crowd noise or bad audio recording. It's almost like a soundboard bootleg. I hope this shows up in the trading circles at some point.

Me to,if they lipp on this tour they will be caught.I think Arnel might pull it off, going by their schedeule ,if they throw in their after tour concerts, like they did in the past, he will be toast.We will see

[SherriBerry]

'Higher Place' is my favourite post-SP Journey song and I love Deen's vocals. What a great find - thanks for posting this Gideon!

[mriesenb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLOFFkFhQqU

^ Yes, I finally found it. "Higher Place" as performed by Journey, with Deen on vocals, in March during their tour in Japan. I'm very impressed with it. It's revamped, with different keyboards and a better guitar. Much more modern. (Deen's one tradeoff is that you can't hear him as well, and particularly towards the end, this problem is more pronounced).

Very good, though.

I'm a big fan of both Deen's vocals and this song, but I'm not that impressed. The bridge is sung fine, but the verses en chorus lack something. Feeling I guess, although it's hard to pinpoint. I always felt that Augeri had a big talent for getting the message across. In that respect he was almost on Perry's level (IMHO of course).

[Gideon]

uh yea ya did.

No, I most certainly did not.

But in hindsight, I don't think he recognized his limitations as well as he should have.

Yes, because giving the opinion that someone didn't recognize their limitations as a singer is the same thing as "running them down."

In addition to apparently being unable to read (since I never said he couldn't vocalize), it seems you're supersensitive about Augeri as much as you are about Soto, and I do recall that you didn't like the last time you jumped into the fray to "defend" him (against some fabricated attack).

If you think what I said was "running someone down", you're hopeless. You probably cried a lot as a child, assuming the world was out to get you.

This isn't a place where you impose your insecurities and fallibilities on the rest of us.

you're UNDER 40-

Nothing gets by you, does it?

why don't you quit acting like a know it all,

Yes, because being objective is the same as acting like a know it all.

As opposed to being like you and knowing nothing?

entitled to judge others talents and point out supposed flaws.

Welcome to the real fucking world, "Mimi." People -- singers -- are judged based on their talents and flaws. I didn't bash him personally. I noted what I perceived to be a problem. You went off the fucking deep end, way over your head, trying to defend Augeri against an attack that wasn't there.

There's only one of us with a problem and the big red arrow is pointing at you.

stand down. there is no winning against a wiggler.

No, it's not cute. You're over forty, an adult. I've had the age thing thrown in my face ad nauseum since I've been here. You know what the flipside to that is? Adults need to act their fucking age. That includes you. I didn't bash Augeri, I didn't grill him. I've been harder on Arnel than Augeri.

An 18 year old lecturing a 48 year old on the obvious nature of reality she seemed to neglect... only at Melodic Rock.

By the way, before you predictably cry and whine and take offense and rally the rest of the Loons/Wigglers/Straight Jacket Brigade, and somehow try to make me look like the bad guy, anyone who so much as looks at this thread with a scintilla of intelligence will make the obvious conclusion:

You're insane.

[Gideon]

Gideon, don't mess with Mimi. She'll take your ass out. You keep fucking around and she'll have you over her knee. Stand down on this one, man. Go watch cartoons or something.

Yeah, don't encourage it. Being playful is one thing; being retarded is another. The fact that she (in her second or third post on this thread) took the time to write a melodramatic "calming" period makes this a no brainer.

[Eric]

Either way, it's probably the best HP boot I've ever heard.
Nice find Gideon.

Indeeeeeeed

[The_Noble_Cause]

b) What's funny is, Deen is singing not harmony with himself but the "same thing" as his pre recorded vocal. On the CD Deen sings the high notes and here Deen (both Deens) are singing the same high notes. He should have been sinhing the lower notes live with the pre recorded high notes. I guess he was just caught up in the moment.

Good call.
Since they're using Deen's prerecorded background vocal during the bridge, Deen should now be singing Augeri's part, which is lower.

[DrFU]

[ By the way, before you predictably cry and whine and take offense and rally the rest of the Loons/Wigglers/Straight Jacket Brigade, and somehow try to make me look like the bad guy, anyone who so much as looks at this thread with a scintilla of intelligence will make the obvious conclusion:

You're insane.

here's the wingwoman, then, right on cue ...

Ease up; it's performativity and you seem to be missing it ... ad hominem is not the way to play it ...

[bluejeangirl76]

Ohhhhhh it's DEEN on vocals... ok good. I refused to click on this topic when I first saw it.
I saw "Higher Place" and "2009" and kind of cringed.
I'll have to check this one out when everyone else goes to lunch.

[texafana]

b) What's funny is, Deen is singing not harmony with himself but the "same thing" as his pre recorded vocal. On the CD Deen sings the high notes and here Deen (both Deens) are singing the same high notes. He should have been sinhing the lower notes live with the pre recorded high notes. I guess he was just caught up in the moment.

Good call.
Since they're using Deen's prerecorded background vocal during the bridge, Deen should now be singing Augeri's part, which is lower.

Yepper. Still amazed by this guy's talent though. wow...

[Gideon]

[ By the way, before you predictably cry and whine and take offense and rally the rest of the Loons/Wigglers/Straight Jacket Brigade, and somehow try to make me look like the bad guy, anyone who so much as looks at this thread with a scintilla of intelligence will make the obvious conclusion:

You're insane.

here's the wingwoman, then, right on cue ...

Ease up; it's performativity and you seem to be missing it ... ad hominem is not the way to play it ...

Yes, well, pardon if I question your objectivity given the offender currently has a place within your avatar.

I have nothing against her. I made a gentle criticism of Augeri. I did not bash him. I did not insult him. I didn't even attack his abilities as a singer. I made a criticism. She, on the other hand, came out of nowhere espousing nonsensical bias and took the criticism personally.

I will not be held accountable for the bias and mental deficits of others. It is her problem that she handled poorly. You don't like my response? Perhaps you could note the first ones where I was rather cordial and she persisted in her lunacy.

I'm right, she's wrong, she's going to have to deal with it and accept the fact that people are at liberty to make valid criticisms of singers. If she can't handle it, she doesn't belong on the internet.

[Gideon]

b) What's funny is, Deen is singing not harmony with himself but the "same thing" as his pre recorded vocal. On the CD Deen sings the high notes and here Deen (both Deens) are singing the same high notes. He should have been sinhing the lower notes live with the pre recorded high notes. I guess he was just caught up in the moment.

Good call.
Since they're using Deen's prerecorded background vocal during the bridge, Deen should now be singing Augeri's part, which is lower.

Really?

I didn't even notice that Deen was singing along with his prerecorded vocals during the bridge. They should have had Augeri prerecorded or Arnel come out to lend a hand during that part.

[stevew2]

b) What's funny is, Deen is singing not harmony with himself but the "same thing" as his pre recorded vocal. On the CD Deen sings the high notes and here Deen (both Deens) are singing the same high notes. He should have been sinhing the lower notes live with the pre recorded high notes. I guess he was just caught up in the moment.

Good call.
Since they're using Deen's prerecorded background vocal during the bridge, Deen should now be singing Augeri's part, which is lower.

Really?

I didn't even notice that Deen was singing along with his prerecorded vocals during the bridge. They should have had Augeri prerecorded or Arnel come out to lend a hand during that part.

All the background vocals were prerecorded.We re talkin Journey

[portland]

b) What's funny is, Deen is singing not harmony with himself but the "same thing" as his pre recorded vocal. On the CD Deen sings the high notes and here Deen (both Deens) are singing the same high notes. He should have been sinhing the lower notes live with the pre recorded high notes. I guess he was just caught up in the moment.

Good call.
Since they're using Deen's prerecorded background vocal during the bridge, Deen should now be singing Augeri's part, which is lower.

Really?

I didn't even notice that Deen was singing along with his prerecorded vocals during the bridge. They should have had Augeri prerecorded or Arnel come out to lend a hand during that part.

All the background vocals were prerecorded.We re talkin Journey

[Gideon]

b) What's funny is, Deen is singing not harmony with himself but the "same thing" as his pre recorded vocal. On the CD Deen sings the high notes and here Deen (both Deens) are singing the same high notes. He should have been sinhing the lower notes live with the pre recorded high notes. I guess he was just caught up in the moment.

Good call.
Since they're using Deen's prerecorded background vocal during the bridge, Deen should now be singing Augeri's part, which is lower.

Really?

I didn't even notice that Deen was singing along with his prerecorded vocals during the bridge. They should have had Augeri prerecorded or Arnel come out to lend a hand during that part.

All the background vocals were prerecorded.We re talkin Journey

lol.

No, I mean I didn't notice that there was any prerecorded vocals during the bridge. I thought it was just live!Deen singing.

[Don]

b) What's funny is, Deen is singing not harmony with himself but the "same thing" as his pre recorded vocal. On the CD Deen sings the high notes and here Deen (both Deens) are singing the same high notes. He should have been sinhing the lower notes live with the pre recorded high notes. I guess he was just caught up in the moment.

Good call.
Since they're using Deen's prerecorded background vocal during the bridge, Deen should now be singing Augeri's part, which is lower.

Really?

I didn't even notice that Deen was singing along with his prerecorded vocals during the bridge. They should have had Augeri prerecorded or Arnel come out to lend a hand during that part.

All the background vocals were prerecorded.We re talkin Journey

lol.

No, I mean I didn't notice that there was any prerecorded vocals during the bridge. I thought it was just live!Deen singing.

I'm sure their mikes are live but their voices are at a lower volume, almost a whisper, I don't think they would sing into dead mikes. I have a few DVDs with other groups where if the canned voices drop quickly, you'll hear a slight whisper like someone isn't completely in time with the backround vocals. If the mikes were dead it would look awkward to see someone finishing up a note in complete silence.

[G.I.Jim]

b) What's funny is, Deen is singing not harmony with himself but the "same thing" as his pre recorded vocal. On the CD Deen sings the high notes and here Deen (both Deens) are singing the same high notes. He should have been sinhing the lower notes live with the pre recorded high notes. I guess he was just caught up in the moment.

Good call.
Since they're using Deen's prerecorded background vocal during the bridge, Deen should now be singing Augeri's part, which is lower.

Really?

I didn't even notice that Deen was singing along with his prerecorded vocals during the bridge. They should have had Augeri prerecorded or Arnel come out to lend a hand during that part.

All the background vocals were prerecorded.We re talkin Journey

lol.

No, I mean I didn't notice that there was any prerecorded vocals during the bridge. I thought it was just live!Deen singing.

I'm sure their mikes are live but their voices are at a lower volume, almost a whisper, I don't think they would sing into dead mikes. I have a few DVDs with other groups where if the canned voices drop quickly, you'll hear a slight whisper like someone isn't completely in time with the backround vocals. If the mikes were dead it would look awkward to see someone finishing up a note in complete silence.

Why did Mike have to die? Just messing with you man, but it's "mics". I know...the resident smart-ass!

[Don]

b) What's funny is, Deen is singing not harmony with himself but the "same thing" as his pre recorded vocal. On the CD Deen sings the high notes and here Deen (both Deens) are singing the same high notes. He should have been sinhing the lower notes live with the pre recorded high notes. I guess he was just caught up in the moment.

Good call.
Since they're using Deen's prerecorded background vocal during the bridge, Deen should now be singing Augeri's part, which is lower.

Really?

I didn't even notice that Deen was singing along with his prerecorded vocals during the bridge. They should have had Augeri prerecorded or Arnel come out to lend a hand during that part.

All the background vocals were prerecorded.We re talkin Journey

lol.

No, I mean I didn't notice that there was any prerecorded vocals during the bridge. I thought it was just live!Deen singing.

I'm sure their mikes are live but their voices are at a lower volume, almost a whisper, I don't think they would sing into dead mikes. I have a few DVDs with other groups where if the canned voices drop quickly, you'll hear a slight whisper like someone isn't completely in time with the backround vocals. If the mikes were dead it would look awkward to see someone finishing up a note in complete silence.

Why did Mike have to die? Just messing with you man, but it's "mics". I know...the resident smart-ass!

But, did what I said make any sense?

[Gideon]

What we can learn from this: Jim is a smartass and Gunbot has some subliminal fixation with Mike.

Next question: why do they not sing? Is it too hard to do anymore?

[brywool]

lame that they use bgvox on tape. Why do that? All of them still sing...
I can see them flying in a part that isn't there (acoustic guitar that they recorded on the original track, but can't play live) but vocals? Come on...

[Gideon]

lame that they use bgvox on tape. Why do that? All of them still sing...
I can see them flying in a part that isn't there (acoustic guitar that they recorded on the original track, but can't play live) but vocals? Come on...

They played an accoustic guitar on the original track?

[Don]

lame that they use bgvox on tape. Why do that? All of them still sing...
I can see them flying in a part that isn't there (acoustic guitar that they recorded on the original track, but can't play live) but vocals? Come on...

Didn't Frontiers and ROR have heavily layerd BGV's (like a dozen or so layers) on some songs? How can you replicate that live?

[Gideon]

lame that they use bgvox on tape. Why do that? All of them still sing...
I can see them flying in a part that isn't there (acoustic guitar that they recorded on the original track, but can't play live) but vocals? Come on...

Didn't Frontiers and ROR have heavily layerd BGV's (like a dozen or so layers) on some songs? How can you replicate that live?

I noticed that on "Girl Can't Help It."

[texafana]

lame that they use bgvox on tape. Why do that? All of them still sing...
I can see them flying in a part that isn't there (acoustic guitar that they recorded on the original track, but can't play live) but vocals? Come on...

Because of the lush studio recordings background vox. It's almost impossible to recreate live. Granted, with voice processors they could double or triple each live singer's voice to thicken things up, but still...the age has creeped up enough to warrant not taking the chance.