"journey" press conference this week in Sweden

[DavidC]

:evil:

Steve0 & 78, you two naked savages behave yourselves. Can't you see we've got company?!? We don't want to frighten off another one. Besides, what's one more Loon? The more the merrier, right? Right?? Oh, never mind....

Yeah the welcome mat is out once again.....just make sure you agree with them.....that makes them happy!

You guys are right, I shouldn't have called him a Loon. That's an insult to you and to me actually, since I do have my Loony moments. What the guy is (judging from his post's so far) is an Arnel hater trying to stir up sh*t.
It's his right to do it and mine not to like it.

And no, you don't have to agree with me, I like you Loons the way you are.

Actually, I'm not an Arnel-hater, per se, just a sound-a-like hater in general. More specifically, I'm a my-name-is-neal-and-I-hire-whoever-I-want-to-replace-SP-because-I-think-the-real-fans-are-too-stupid-to-know-the-difference hater.

I actually am on the same page, I don't hate AP, I think he is very talented...but the whole find somone who sounds like Perry crap, is the thing that gets me, hire a singer and go a different direction, don't re-record the songs that I remember from high school and expect me as a fan to like it, I don't!!!

I don't understand it......the people who say that we hate AP, I don't even know the guy!!! and yes he is good and is working his ass off, but he still has problems with his delivery of the songs from what I have seen. Neal just thinks that everyone will accept the replacement and some just won't...he should have left it alone.


That being said, I have ordered the CD and I am going to listen to it.....both CD's that way I can come here and know that I have given it a chance...I won't be attending a concert as for me I like the old songs in my memory bank the way they are....I guess you can call me too sentimental (go ahead!)


I would like to see SA with his new band....I really like his voice now and would love to experience him live.

I think that JSS is extreamly talented.....and he got a raw deal, yes I know shit happens...right

I don't know, we will all never agree on this one, and that is one thing I know for sure!

Left what alone, Portland? Neal did not make the decision for Perry to leave the band. Neal did not cause Augeri's voice to fail. He nipped a non fit for Journey in the bud before it went too far. He did not just hire a sound alike. While AP can parrot almost any singer, he has his own unique voice and style and unless you are hearing impared, he maintains the sound that Journey is known for. Isn't that the point of Journey going on and continuing to please thousands of fans at each gig they play? So, if Neal had just left it alone, it would have spelled epic failure for the band and they would not be having the kind of success they are having now. So, should the whole band have just retired????

OMG. So, you don't think AP is a sound-a-like? Puh-leeze!! I'm still waiting for AP's "unique voice and style". When has he EVER displayed THAT?? You must be deaf. I guess its a good thing for VanHalen that Sammy didn't seek to "maintain" the VanHalen sound, thus making them GREATER as a result. Otherwise, they'd be up the same river that Journey is. Journey shouldn't be sacrificing their collective soul to please the pittance of AP followers they have now compared to what they had with SP. Epic failure? THEY'RE EXPERIENCING IT NOW!!! The only reason they're getting any attention AT ALL is because of the singer that made them famous. Looking at where they were when SP joined, the band WOULD NOT EXIST NOW. AP is riding the coattails of SP and the fame that made them famous. Period. Should the whole band have just retired? Without SP fronting them? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace.

HELL NO!!!!

I've been to several concerts since SP left, and two with SP btw, and I'm glad they didn't retire.

Certainly, SP was my favorite singer they had, and my favorite singer period, but Journey were started by Herbie, Gregg and Neal to try to be successful, and they made it. That's all they try to continue to be, and they are. Arnel did nothing but accept a dream job and is keeping the legacy going.

As far as Sammy and Van Halen, that was in a completely different musical climate. It may have worked for Journey then had they switched to someone different and gone in a different direction, but it wouldn't work for either band now.

UM..............NO, they weren't! Yes, Journey was started by Herbie, Gregg and Neal and they were going NOWHERE. They did not "make it" until SP joined the band; and they were even reluctant about THAT in the beginning. Yeah, AP accepted a dream job.......to his peril. One of these days he's going to wake up and realize that that he's being USED by a workaholic when he could be garnering his own fame. He won't have to find another band to front after Neal fires him for the next sound-a-like, or he leaves on his own for whatever reason. Journey doesn't need to tour for FAME....they already have it. But what is ultimately going to kill them is Neal making a complete ass out of them, which he is in the process of doing. They're popularity has never been lower since SP first joined the band. If he's shooting for the "good old days" of obscurity before SP, then congratulations, Neal. Your goal is in sight.

[steveo777]

One thing that upsets me about the interview. When talking about the band, Neal goes on to say that when hirng Arnel, that they instantly caught that magic and had a magical feeling that it all just clicked right away. (TRUE.)

BUT, he said that was the first time they've had that since the departure of Perry. Even though that is slightly true, Steve A did some great things during his tenure. That comment doesn't do Steve Augeri justice. Augeri kept the flame going, and did a helluva job for 8 solid years with the team. That is kind of a slap in the face IMO. He not only brought in a newer fan base, but kept the hardcore ones clinging on for the ride. Neal could of at least recommended Augeri some "sugar" for his devotion and dedication to his band. (As they like to call it.)

Did anyone pick up on Arnel's ploy to "re-pay" Friga on the bus? I'm shocked stevew wasn't all over that.

I wish more people were mindful and appreciative of the fact that without SA, there very well might not be a Journey today. I do appreciate what he brought to the table.

[YoungJRNY]

One thing that upsets me about the interview. When talking about the band, Neal goes on to say that when hirng Arnel, that they instantly caught that magic and had a magical feeling that it all just clicked right away. (TRUE.)

BUT, he said that was the first time they've had that since the departure of Perry. Even though that is slightly true, Steve A did some great things during his tenure. That comment doesn't do Steve Augeri justice. Augeri kept the flame going, and did a helluva job for 8 solid years with the team. That is kind of a slap in the face IMO. He not only brought in a newer fan base, but kept the hardcore ones clinging on for the ride. Neal could of at least recommended Augeri some "sugar" for his devotion and dedication to his band. (As they like to call it.)

Did anyone pick up on Arnel's ploy to "re-pay" Friga on the bus? I'm shocked stevew wasn't all over that.

I wish more people were mindful and appreciative of the fact that without SA, there very well might not be a Journey today. I do appreciate what he brought to the table.

Agreed.

[steveo777]

:evil:

Steve0 & 78, you two naked savages behave yourselves. Can't you see we've got company?!? We don't want to frighten off another one. Besides, what's one more Loon? The more the merrier, right? Right?? Oh, never mind....

Yeah the welcome mat is out once again.....just make sure you agree with them.....that makes them happy!

You guys are right, I shouldn't have called him a Loon. That's an insult to you and to me actually, since I do have my Loony moments. What the guy is (judging from his post's so far) is an Arnel hater trying to stir up sh*t.
It's his right to do it and mine not to like it.

And no, you don't have to agree with me, I like you Loons the way you are.

Actually, I'm not an Arnel-hater, per se, just a sound-a-like hater in general. More specifically, I'm a my-name-is-neal-and-I-hire-whoever-I-want-to-replace-SP-because-I-think-the-real-fans-are-too-stupid-to-know-the-difference hater.

I actually am on the same page, I don't hate AP, I think he is very talented...but the whole find somone who sounds like Perry crap, is the thing that gets me, hire a singer and go a different direction, don't re-record the songs that I remember from high school and expect me as a fan to like it, I don't!!!

I don't understand it......the people who say that we hate AP, I don't even know the guy!!! and yes he is good and is working his ass off, but he still has problems with his delivery of the songs from what I have seen. Neal just thinks that everyone will accept the replacement and some just won't...he should have left it alone.


That being said, I have ordered the CD and I am going to listen to it.....both CD's that way I can come here and know that I have given it a chance...I won't be attending a concert as for me I like the old songs in my memory bank the way they are....I guess you can call me too sentimental (go ahead!)


I would like to see SA with his new band....I really like his voice now and would love to experience him live.

I think that JSS is extreamly talented.....and he got a raw deal, yes I know shit happens...right

I don't know, we will all never agree on this one, and that is one thing I know for sure!

Left what alone, Portland? Neal did not make the decision for Perry to leave the band. Neal did not cause Augeri's voice to fail. He nipped a non fit for Journey in the bud before it went too far. He did not just hire a sound alike. While AP can parrot almost any singer, he has his own unique voice and style and unless you are hearing impared, he maintains the sound that Journey is known for. Isn't that the point of Journey going on and continuing to please thousands of fans at each gig they play? So, if Neal had just left it alone, it would have spelled epic failure for the band and they would not be having the kind of success they are having now. So, should the whole band have just retired????

OMG. So, you don't think AP is a sound-a-like? Puh-leeze!! I'm still waiting for AP's "unique voice and style". When has he EVER displayed THAT?? You must be deaf. I guess its a good thing for VanHalen that Sammy didn't seek to "maintain" the VanHalen sound, thus making them GREATER as a result. Otherwise, they'd be up the same river that Journey is. Journey shouldn't be sacrificing their collective soul to please the pittance of AP followers they have now compared to what they had with SP. Epic failure? THEY'RE EXPERIENCING IT NOW!!! The only reason they're getting any attention AT ALL is because of the singer that made them famous. Looking at where they were when SP joined, the band WOULD NOT EXIST NOW. AP is riding the coattails of SP and the fame that made them famous. Period. Should the whole band have just retired? Without SP fronting them? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace.

HELL NO!!!!

I've been to several concerts since SP left, and two with SP btw, and I'm glad they didn't retire.

Certainly, SP was my favorite singer they had, and my favorite singer period, but Journey were started by Herbie, Gregg and Neal to try to be successful, and they made it. That's all they try to continue to be, and they are. Arnel did nothing but accept a dream job and is keeping the legacy going.

As far as Sammy and Van Halen, that was in a completely different musical climate. It may have worked for Journey then had they switched to someone different and gone in a different direction, but it wouldn't work for either band now.

UM..............NO, they weren't! Yes, Journey was started by Herbie, Gregg and Neal and they were going NOWHERE. They did not "make it" until SP joined the band; and they were even reluctant about THAT in the beginning. Yeah, AP accepted a dream job.......to his peril. One of these days he's going to wake up and realize that that he's being USED by a workaholic when he could be garnering his own fame. He won't have to find another band to front after Neal fires him for the next sound-a-like, or he leaves on his own for whatever reason. Journey doesn't need to tour for FAME....they already have it. But what is ultimately going to kill them is Neal making a complete ass out of them, which he is in the process of doing. They're popularity has never been lower since SP first joined the band. If he's shooting for the "good old days" of obscurity before SP, then congratulations, Neal. Your goal is in sight.

Did RocknDeano change handles? Hey, asshat, some of the stupid shit you are saying takes douche bag to a whole new level. What would you know about their popularity these days? Seems you are in denial of the packed houses they have played everywhere so far this year.

[Deacon]

OMG. So, you don't think AP is a sound-a-like? Puh-leeze!! I'm still waiting for AP's "unique voice and style". When has he EVER displayed THAT??

It's true that Arnel has some Perry-like qualities; that's undeniable. Merely labeling him as a "sound-a-like" is a bit harsh, though. But, to display a bit of his "unique voice and style":

1) The Place in Your Heart (Remake)
2) Never Walk Away
3) Separate Ways (Remake)
4) Don't Stop Believin' (Remake)
5) What it Takes To Win
6) Where Did I Lose Your Love
7) Stone in Love (Remake)
After All These Years
9) Turn Down the World Tonight
and, probably most importantly,
10) Open Arms (Remake)

I could go on for quite some time. In fact, insuring that I won't have to continue, refer to the entirety of Revelations and the tour stops that the band has acquired over the year, then speak to me in an objective manner.

You must be deaf.

Nice ad-hominem.

I guess its a good thing for VanHalen that Sammy didn't seek to "maintain" the VanHalen sound, thus making them GREATER as a result. Otherwise, they'd be up the same river that Journey is.

Now you're just wrong. "Where Did I Lose Your Love" is a chart climber, Revelations has sold quite a few albums [i'm trying to find actual numbers on this], and their concerts have been a hit [the Sommet Centre in Nashville (where I went to see them) was very full]. What in the diddly fuck has Van Halen done recently?

Journey shouldn't be sacrificing their collective soul to please the pittance of AP followers they have now compared to what they had with SP. Epic failure? THEY'RE EXPERIENCING IT NOW!!!

What are they experiencing again? You obviously don't know the rules of media when it comes to these sort of things. Media coverage is good, especially when it is positive. That's what they're getting within the the horrid, aforementioned media. The "pittance" of followers is selling out venues, dude.

The only reason they're getting any attention AT ALL is because of the singer that made them famous.

I would really love for you to prove that.

Looking at where they were when SP joined, the band WOULD NOT EXIST NOW. AP is riding the coattails of SP and the fame that made them famous. Period. Should the whole band have just retired? Without SP fronting them? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace.

Let me summarize: You're wrong.

Let me rephrase: You're not correct.

Why do I state this? Because THEY'RE STILL SELLING. They're selling venue tickets and copies of Revelations. They're selling a lot of things, but why does that matter in the pursuit of having a tirade? You don't need the facts for those, do you?

I can hear the crickets chirping now, bud.

[DavidC]

:evil:

Steve0 & 78, you two naked savages behave yourselves. Can't you see we've got company?!? We don't want to frighten off another one. Besides, what's one more Loon? The more the merrier, right? Right?? Oh, never mind....

Yeah the welcome mat is out once again.....just make sure you agree with them.....that makes them happy!

You guys are right, I shouldn't have called him a Loon. That's an insult to you and to me actually, since I do have my Loony moments. What the guy is (judging from his post's so far) is an Arnel hater trying to stir up sh*t.
It's his right to do it and mine not to like it.

And no, you don't have to agree with me, I like you Loons the way you are.

Actually, I'm not an Arnel-hater, per se, just a sound-a-like hater in general. More specifically, I'm a my-name-is-neal-and-I-hire-whoever-I-want-to-replace-SP-because-I-think-the-real-fans-are-too-stupid-to-know-the-difference hater.

I actually am on the same page, I don't hate AP, I think he is very talented...but the whole find somone who sounds like Perry crap, is the thing that gets me, hire a singer and go a different direction, don't re-record the songs that I remember from high school and expect me as a fan to like it, I don't!!!

I don't understand it......the people who say that we hate AP, I don't even know the guy!!! and yes he is good and is working his ass off, but he still has problems with his delivery of the songs from what I have seen. Neal just thinks that everyone will accept the replacement and some just won't...he should have left it alone.


That being said, I have ordered the CD and I am going to listen to it.....both CD's that way I can come here and know that I have given it a chance...I won't be attending a concert as for me I like the old songs in my memory bank the way they are....I guess you can call me too sentimental (go ahead!)


I would like to see SA with his new band....I really like his voice now and would love to experience him live.

I think that JSS is extreamly talented.....and he got a raw deal, yes I know shit happens...right

I don't know, we will all never agree on this one, and that is one thing I know for sure!

Left what alone, Portland? Neal did not make the decision for Perry to leave the band. Neal did not cause Augeri's voice to fail. He nipped a non fit for Journey in the bud before it went too far. He did not just hire a sound alike. While AP can parrot almost any singer, he has his own unique voice and style and unless you are hearing impared, he maintains the sound that Journey is known for. Isn't that the point of Journey going on and continuing to please thousands of fans at each gig they play? So, if Neal had just left it alone, it would have spelled epic failure for the band and they would not be having the kind of success they are having now. So, should the whole band have just retired????

OMG. So, you don't think AP is a sound-a-like? Puh-leeze!! I'm still waiting for AP's "unique voice and style". When has he EVER displayed THAT?? You must be deaf. I guess its a good thing for VanHalen that Sammy didn't seek to "maintain" the VanHalen sound, thus making them GREATER as a result. Otherwise, they'd be up the same river that Journey is. Journey shouldn't be sacrificing their collective soul to please the pittance of AP followers they have now compared to what they had with SP. Epic failure? THEY'RE EXPERIENCING IT NOW!!! The only reason they're getting any attention AT ALL is because of the singer that made them famous. Looking at where they were when SP joined, the band WOULD NOT EXIST NOW. AP is riding the coattails of SP and the fame that made them famous. Period. Should the whole band have just retired? Without SP fronting them? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace.

Sigh..... I can't debate you; you're too deluded. There is a difference between being a sound alike and being able to sound like someone. Have you even listened to Revelation, man? Well, have you? WITTW does not sound like Steve Perry and proves that Arnel does have his own unique voice and has used it. What about Wildest Dream? No Perry sound alike there either. What about What I Needed? You're the one who can't fucking hear. You're the one who joined here with an agenda. Has it occurred anywhere in that thick skull of yours that the majority of the fans want to hear the dirty dozen in their original key? Arnel can do that, so fucking what? It makes people happy. That doesn't make him a copy cat, as you would have us all to believe. Arnel puts on a show on stage. His energy rouses the crowds. How can you be in denial of that success? I'd also like to see this epic failure they so supposedly, according to you, GARP, are experiencing.

I checked in Japan. Sorry I don't see it.
I checked in Manila. Nope..sorry, I still don't see it.
I checked in Hawaii and couldn't find this failure of yours there either.
Hmmm, Macau? Nope, fans were loving it there too.
Sacramento? Great turnout there.
Sweden was ecstatic, as was Norway.

Peace back to your trolling ass.

Of course you're going to say I'm deluded, sweetheart, because you don't have a leg to stand on, so you have to make character assessments. How original. And your semantics trying to sound SOMEWHAT intelligent and explain the difference between "being a sound-a-like and being able to sound like someone" makes no difference to anyone but yourself.

Yes, dickhead, I HAVE heard "Revelation" and its just more of the same old, same old shit from sound-a-like number 3. I guess the analogy of "trying to keep the same sound" would be all shot to hell if it didn't SOUND like AP was TRYING to be someone different, huh? But then, THAT goes without saying. I don't have to try and make you or anyone else believe ANYTHING, they're not stupid, they can hear, unlike you and your sad, irrelevant analysis.

When did I ever say that AP couldn't rouse a crowd? Never said anything like that. You're just running out of material, so you put words in my mouth, and then attack them. Again, very original.

Japan, Manila and Hawaii - same crowd - all transplants from the Phillipines. Macau - its probably the first time they heard of Journey, let alone have a concert - the whole country probably went: population - 400. Sacramento- Yeah, I hear Raley Field has a long list of washed up bands that play there regularly. I also hear you can see a good boat show there on a good weekend. High calibre arena, there.

My "trolling ass" will be right here waiting for your pitiful and ridiculous excuses/responses. Wake up, already.

[Deacon]

same old shit from sound-a-like number 3.

Who is the second one?

[Rick]

:evil:

Steve0 & 78, you two naked savages behave yourselves. Can't you see we've got company?!? We don't want to frighten off another one. Besides, what's one more Loon? The more the merrier, right? Right?? Oh, never mind....

Yeah the welcome mat is out once again.....just make sure you agree with them.....that makes them happy!

You guys are right, I shouldn't have called him a Loon. That's an insult to you and to me actually, since I do have my Loony moments. What the guy is (judging from his post's so far) is an Arnel hater trying to stir up sh*t.
It's his right to do it and mine not to like it.

And no, you don't have to agree with me, I like you Loons the way you are.

Actually, I'm not an Arnel-hater, per se, just a sound-a-like hater in general. More specifically, I'm a my-name-is-neal-and-I-hire-whoever-I-want-to-replace-SP-because-I-think-the-real-fans-are-too-stupid-to-know-the-difference hater.

I actually am on the same page, I don't hate AP, I think he is very talented...but the whole find somone who sounds like Perry crap, is the thing that gets me, hire a singer and go a different direction, don't re-record the songs that I remember from high school and expect me as a fan to like it, I don't!!!

I don't understand it......the people who say that we hate AP, I don't even know the guy!!! and yes he is good and is working his ass off, but he still has problems with his delivery of the songs from what I have seen. Neal just thinks that everyone will accept the replacement and some just won't...he should have left it alone.


That being said, I have ordered the CD and I am going to listen to it.....both CD's that way I can come here and know that I have given it a chance...I won't be attending a concert as for me I like the old songs in my memory bank the way they are....I guess you can call me too sentimental (go ahead!)


I would like to see SA with his new band....I really like his voice now and would love to experience him live.

I think that JSS is extreamly talented.....and he got a raw deal, yes I know shit happens...right

I don't know, we will all never agree on this one, and that is one thing I know for sure!

Left what alone, Portland? Neal did not make the decision for Perry to leave the band. Neal did not cause Augeri's voice to fail. He nipped a non fit for Journey in the bud before it went too far. He did not just hire a sound alike. While AP can parrot almost any singer, he has his own unique voice and style and unless you are hearing impared, he maintains the sound that Journey is known for. Isn't that the point of Journey going on and continuing to please thousands of fans at each gig they play? So, if Neal had just left it alone, it would have spelled epic failure for the band and they would not be having the kind of success they are having now. So, should the whole band have just retired????

OMG. So, you don't think AP is a sound-a-like? Puh-leeze!! I'm still waiting for AP's "unique voice and style". When has he EVER displayed THAT?? You must be deaf. I guess its a good thing for VanHalen that Sammy didn't seek to "maintain" the VanHalen sound, thus making them GREATER as a result. Otherwise, they'd be up the same river that Journey is. Journey shouldn't be sacrificing their collective soul to please the pittance of AP followers they have now compared to what they had with SP. Epic failure? THEY'RE EXPERIENCING IT NOW!!! The only reason they're getting any attention AT ALL is because of the singer that made them famous. Looking at where they were when SP joined, the band WOULD NOT EXIST NOW. AP is riding the coattails of SP and the fame that made them famous. Period. Should the whole band have just retired? Without SP fronting them? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace.

HELL NO!!!!

I've been to several concerts since SP left, and two with SP btw, and I'm glad they didn't retire.

Certainly, SP was my favorite singer they had, and my favorite singer period, but Journey were started by Herbie, Gregg and Neal to try to be successful, and they made it. That's all they try to continue to be, and they are. Arnel did nothing but accept a dream job and is keeping the legacy going.

As far as Sammy and Van Halen, that was in a completely different musical climate. It may have worked for Journey then had they switched to someone different and gone in a different direction, but it wouldn't work for either band now.

UM..............NO, they weren't! Yes, Journey was started by Herbie, Gregg and Neal and they were going NOWHERE. They did not "make it" until SP joined the band; and they were even reluctant about THAT in the beginning. Yeah, AP accepted a dream job.......to his peril. One of these days he's going to wake up and realize that that he's being USED by a workaholic when he could be garnering his own fame. He won't have to find another band to front after Neal fires him for the next sound-a-like, or he leaves on his own for whatever reason. Journey doesn't need to tour for FAME....they already have it. But what is ultimately going to kill them is Neal making a complete ass out of them, which he is in the process of doing. They're popularity has never been lower since SP first joined the band. If he's shooting for the "good old days" of obscurity before SP, then congratulations, Neal. Your goal is in sight.

Yes, they were. It didn't happen until SP joined, but they did start the band to try to be successful and they obtained that. Certainly yes, with SP.

It will not be Arnel's peril for joining Journey. It will be his retirement. He won't have to work again, but I'm betting he will at some level.

DSB is the most downloaded song on iTunes. They play to capacity or near capacity crowds every where they go. I'd say they're pretty fucking popular.

[Deacon]

Rick, you should know that arguing facts with a troll won't end well.

[DavidC]

One thing that upsets me about the interview. When talking about the band, Neal goes on to say that when hirng Arnel, that they instantly caught that magic and had a magical feeling that it all just clicked right away. (TRUE.)

BUT, he said that was the first time they've had that since the departure of Perry. Even though that is slightly true, Steve A did some great things during his tenure. That comment doesn't do Steve Augeri justice. Augeri kept the flame going, and did a helluva job for 8 solid years with the team. That is kind of a slap in the face IMO. He not only brought in a newer fan base, but kept the hardcore ones clinging on for the ride. Neal could of at least recommended Augeri some "sugar" for his devotion and dedication to his band. (As they like to call it.)

Did anyone pick up on Arnel's ploy to "re-pay" Friga on the bus? I'm shocked stevew wasn't all over that.

Everything else aside (for now) he really left himself WIDE OPEN with that statement, huh? I even CRINGED myself when he said it. We know that he said it innocently(?), but someone could take that and RUN with it!!

[steveo777]

Rick, you should know that arguing facts with a troll won't end well.

Of course not, but that won't stop the flame throwers from coming out. That's kind of fun....right up until Andrew figures out what his true agenda here is and boots his sorry ass from this forum.

[Deacon]

If only we could find a beacon of objectivity and care like that.

[waits for the banhammer to swing now]

[DavidC]

:evil:

Steve0 & 78, you two naked savages behave yourselves. Can't you see we've got company?!? We don't want to frighten off another one. Besides, what's one more Loon? The more the merrier, right? Right?? Oh, never mind....

Yeah the welcome mat is out once again.....just make sure you agree with them.....that makes them happy!

You guys are right, I shouldn't have called him a Loon. That's an insult to you and to me actually, since I do have my Loony moments. What the guy is (judging from his post's so far) is an Arnel hater trying to stir up sh*t.
It's his right to do it and mine not to like it.

And no, you don't have to agree with me, I like you Loons the way you are.

Actually, I'm not an Arnel-hater, per se, just a sound-a-like hater in general. More specifically, I'm a my-name-is-neal-and-I-hire-whoever-I-want-to-replace-SP-because-I-think-the-real-fans-are-too-stupid-to-know-the-difference hater.

I actually am on the same page, I don't hate AP, I think he is very talented...but the whole find somone who sounds like Perry crap, is the thing that gets me, hire a singer and go a different direction, don't re-record the songs that I remember from high school and expect me as a fan to like it, I don't!!!

I don't understand it......the people who say that we hate AP, I don't even know the guy!!! and yes he is good and is working his ass off, but he still has problems with his delivery of the songs from what I have seen. Neal just thinks that everyone will accept the replacement and some just won't...he should have left it alone.


That being said, I have ordered the CD and I am going to listen to it.....both CD's that way I can come here and know that I have given it a chance...I won't be attending a concert as for me I like the old songs in my memory bank the way they are....I guess you can call me too sentimental (go ahead!)


I would like to see SA with his new band....I really like his voice now and would love to experience him live.

I think that JSS is extreamly talented.....and he got a raw deal, yes I know shit happens...right

I don't know, we will all never agree on this one, and that is one thing I know for sure!

Left what alone, Portland? Neal did not make the decision for Perry to leave the band. Neal did not cause Augeri's voice to fail. He nipped a non fit for Journey in the bud before it went too far. He did not just hire a sound alike. While AP can parrot almost any singer, he has his own unique voice and style and unless you are hearing impared, he maintains the sound that Journey is known for. Isn't that the point of Journey going on and continuing to please thousands of fans at each gig they play? So, if Neal had just left it alone, it would have spelled epic failure for the band and they would not be having the kind of success they are having now. So, should the whole band have just retired????

OMG. So, you don't think AP is a sound-a-like? Puh-leeze!! I'm still waiting for AP's "unique voice and style". When has he EVER displayed THAT?? You must be deaf. I guess its a good thing for VanHalen that Sammy didn't seek to "maintain" the VanHalen sound, thus making them GREATER as a result. Otherwise, they'd be up the same river that Journey is. Journey shouldn't be sacrificing their collective soul to please the pittance of AP followers they have now compared to what they had with SP. Epic failure? THEY'RE EXPERIENCING IT NOW!!! The only reason they're getting any attention AT ALL is because of the singer that made them famous. Looking at where they were when SP joined, the band WOULD NOT EXIST NOW. AP is riding the coattails of SP and the fame that made them famous. Period. Should the whole band have just retired? Without SP fronting them? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace.

HELL NO!!!!

I've been to several concerts since SP left, and two with SP btw, and I'm glad they didn't retire.

Certainly, SP was my favorite singer they had, and my favorite singer period, but Journey were started by Herbie, Gregg and Neal to try to be successful, and they made it. That's all they try to continue to be, and they are. Arnel did nothing but accept a dream job and is keeping the legacy going.

As far as Sammy and Van Halen, that was in a completely different musical climate. It may have worked for Journey then had they switched to someone different and gone in a different direction, but it wouldn't work for either band now.

UM..............NO, they weren't! Yes, Journey was started by Herbie, Gregg and Neal and they were going NOWHERE. They did not "make it" until SP joined the band; and they were even reluctant about THAT in the beginning. Yeah, AP accepted a dream job.......to his peril. One of these days he's going to wake up and realize that that he's being USED by a workaholic when he could be garnering his own fame. He won't have to find another band to front after Neal fires him for the next sound-a-like, or he leaves on his own for whatever reason. Journey doesn't need to tour for FAME....they already have it. But what is ultimately going to kill them is Neal making a complete ass out of them, which he is in the process of doing. They're popularity has never been lower since SP first joined the band. If he's shooting for the "good old days" of obscurity before SP, then congratulations, Neal. Your goal is in sight.

Unlike some of you, I don't comment on things I know nothing about. Yes, shithead, I'm paying attention to what's going on with Journey's popularity/lack thereof nowadays.........and with a great deal of consternation. Bottom line, you just can't admit that Journey is in a SAD SAD place compared to where they could be. You're willing to settle and say "everything's alright' when its not. Yeah, maybe SP was a shit for not coming back to Journey (and it takes ALOT for me to say that), but Neal didn't have to continue with a sound-a-like as if nothing had happened. It's insulting to Journey and its insulting to us.

How in the HELL did this turn into an argument, anyway? Must be in the atmosphere here.

Peace.

[Jana]

If only we could find a beacon of objectivity and care like that.

[waits for the banhammer to swing now]

I notice when the Trolls get louder and louder and angrier and angrier it's b/c Journey is doing great and having a great year and they can't take it, so lash out. That's who this is.

[Deacon]

Yeah, maybe SP was a shit for not coming back to Journey (and it takes ALOT for me to say that)

THAT explains everything. You're nothing but an overzealous Perry-loon. All you had to do was admit to it.

How in the HELL did this turn into an argument, anyway? Must be in the atmosphere here.

Peace.

I don't know. Maybe you should check your conduct.

[steveo777]

DavidC, why don't you just completely go for the gusto? Why not join the AP official site? I'm sure they'd be happy to hear your concerns over there. You could then be unwelcome in two places at the same time.

[Deacon]

DavidC, why don't you just completely go for the gusto? Why not join the AP official site? I'm sure they'd be happy to hear your concerns over there. You could then be unwelcome in two places at the same time.

Ahhh, SteveO, I see right through your plan. You just want to see David get banned in two places simultaneously.

[journey361]

We need to bring SP into the mix here and see what he thinks, then we can all quit bickering about this stupid shit. For god sake, Journey was ontop of their game when SP departed and thats a no-brainer. His voice was perfect for that team. Dennis Rodman with Jordan, Kobe with Shaq. SP bailed andthats that. SP is a vocal God, period. Deal with it people. AP keeps the wheels turning.

[DavidC]

OMG. So, you don't think AP is a sound-a-like? Puh-leeze!! I'm still waiting for AP's "unique voice and style". When has he EVER displayed THAT??

It's true that Arnel has some Perry-like qualities; that's undeniable. Merely labeling him as a "sound-a-like" is a bit harsh, though. But, to display a bit of his "unique voice and style":

1) The Place in Your Heart (Remake)
2) Never Walk Away
3) Separate Ways (Remake)
4) Don't Stop Believin' (Remake)
5) What it Takes To Win
6) Where Did I Lose Your Love
7) Stone in Love (Remake)
After All These Years
9) Turn Down the World Tonight
and, probably most importantly,
10) Open Arms (Remake)

[quote/]

Putting different nuances to already established songs is not a new phenomenon, nor does it automatically make the song sound different. A nice effort to grasp at straws, but purely ineffective/unconvincing.

I could go on for quite some time. In fact, insuring that I won't have to continue, refer to the entirety of Revelations and the tour stops that the band has acquired over the year, then speak to me in an objective manner. [quote/]

Your opinion about "Revelations" and the accompanying tour stops does not make it any more valid, neither does it discredit my opinion either. I could "refer" ad nauseum to that cd and it wouldn't/hasn't done anything to change my opinion, and labling your subjective examinations/explanations through intellectualizing does not make it objective thinking. Nice try, though. I'm sure you have ALOT of people cowed with your superfluous cacophoney of words, silencing them into bewilderment in the process. I will NOT be one of them, my friend. You can translate into a multiplicity of words all you like, but its still bullshit.

You must be deaf.

Nice ad-hominem.

Thank you.

Now you're just wrong. "Where Did I Lose Your Love" is a chart climber, Revelations has sold quite a few albums [i'm trying to find actual numbers on this], and their concerts have been a hit [the Sommet Centre in Nashville (where I went to see them) was very full]. What in the diddly fuck has Van Halen done recently?

You'll have to define "very full" to me. Is that opposed to being barely empty? The Journey I've grown to love plays to sell-out crowds. ALWAYS. That's okay. Your answer won't make a difference to me, anyway.

What are they experiencing again? You obviously don't know the rules of media when it comes to these sort of things. Media coverage is good, especially when it is positive. That's what they're getting within the the horrid, aforementioned media. The "pittance" of followers is selling out venues, dude.

I know the rules of media very well, just not your interpretation of them. The "pittance" of which I speak are a finite number compared to the millions which have supported Journey in the past........many of which (including myself) are sitting on the sidelines, observing the chaos. Journey can do so much better. Their potential is being thwarted.

The only reason they're getting any attention AT ALL is because of the singer that made them famous.

I would really love for you to prove that.

I would really love you to DISPROVE it.

Looking at where they were when SP joined, the band WOULD NOT EXIST NOW. AP is riding the coattails of SP and the fame that made them famous. Period. Should the whole band have just retired? Without SP fronting them? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace.

Let me summarize: You're wrong.

Let me challenge: Objectively disprove me.

Let me rephrase: You're not correct.

Let me reiterate: Your words prove you are full of shit, and drowning in it.

Why do I state this? Because THEY'RE STILL SELLING. They're selling venue tickets and copies of Revelations. They're selling a lot of things, but why does that matter in the pursuit of having a tirade? You don't need the facts for those, do you?

The Beatles are still selling, too...........as well as copies of Journey's older material versus the new.

I'd say "Keep it coming, genius"..........but then, you bore me.

Peace.

I can hear the crickets chirping now, bud.

[Andrew]

lol...2 years ago Journey was a bunch of "evil and greedy" people. Fast forward 2 years and they give the fans a tremendous package at a great price and we're talking about "technicalities." It's sold 750,000 units, debuted at #5 and was in the Top 40 for like 15 weeks. That's awfully impressive and no amount of spin doctoring can negate that.

AbsoF'inglutely. It also recieved good reviews across the board. I ignore the Platinum title. When they hit a million I'll go there. But I wouldn't turn it down by Journey if I were them either. But 750,0000 CDs from a 30 year old band with a new singer is something for them to be happy about.

When it goes double platinum, which is should after this tour, it will still be platinum in everybody's eyes. LOL

Go ahead and ignore the "platinum" title! LOLOLOL!!! How convenient!! Even though all those units (not platinum) were bought by people living in Manila..........it could be triple platinum (in "everybody's" eyes..........everybody? Obviously NOT) and still not mean a thing. Anything with AP in it cannot be considered a "tremendous package", unless you're talking about a load of bullshit. "And no amount of spin doctoring" that you do on this issue will change that. Oh!! And have a nice day.

P.S. Anybody going to one of "journey's" concerts this summer? See you at the fair!!!

Peace.

Dude, what the hell is your issue? You join up and start all kinds of crap. Not the way to go around here...

[DavidC]

If only we could find a beacon of objectivity and care like that.

[waits for the banhammer to swing now]

I notice when the Trolls get louder and louder and angrier and angrier it's b/c Journey is doing great and having a great year and they can't take it, so lash out. That's who this is.

NOT!! Nice try, though!!

[DavidC]

Yeah, maybe SP was a shit for not coming back to Journey (and it takes ALOT for me to say that)

THAT explains everything. You're nothing but an overzealous Perry-loon. All you had to do was admit to it.

How in the HELL did this turn into an argument, anyway? Must be in the atmosphere here.

Peace.

I don't know. Maybe you should check your conduct.

Maybe you should do a reality check.

[DavidC]

DavidC, why don't you just completely go for the gusto? Why not join the AP official site? I'm sure they'd be happy to hear your concerns over there. You could then be unwelcome in two places at the same time.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! So, YOU are the one trying to turn this into an AP site? It all makes sense, now....

[Rick]

:evil:

Steve0 & 78, you two naked savages behave yourselves. Can't you see we've got company?!? We don't want to frighten off another one. Besides, what's one more Loon? The more the merrier, right? Right?? Oh, never mind....

Yeah the welcome mat is out once again.....just make sure you agree with them.....that makes them happy!

You guys are right, I shouldn't have called him a Loon. That's an insult to you and to me actually, since I do have my Loony moments. What the guy is (judging from his post's so far) is an Arnel hater trying to stir up sh*t.
It's his right to do it and mine not to like it.

And no, you don't have to agree with me, I like you Loons the way you are.

Actually, I'm not an Arnel-hater, per se, just a sound-a-like hater in general. More specifically, I'm a my-name-is-neal-and-I-hire-whoever-I-want-to-replace-SP-because-I-think-the-real-fans-are-too-stupid-to-know-the-difference hater.

I actually am on the same page, I don't hate AP, I think he is very talented...but the whole find somone who sounds like Perry crap, is the thing that gets me, hire a singer and go a different direction, don't re-record the songs that I remember from high school and expect me as a fan to like it, I don't!!!

I don't understand it......the people who say that we hate AP, I don't even know the guy!!! and yes he is good and is working his ass off, but he still has problems with his delivery of the songs from what I have seen. Neal just thinks that everyone will accept the replacement and some just won't...he should have left it alone.


That being said, I have ordered the CD and I am going to listen to it.....both CD's that way I can come here and know that I have given it a chance...I won't be attending a concert as for me I like the old songs in my memory bank the way they are....I guess you can call me too sentimental (go ahead!)


I would like to see SA with his new band....I really like his voice now and would love to experience him live.

I think that JSS is extreamly talented.....and he got a raw deal, yes I know shit happens...right

I don't know, we will all never agree on this one, and that is one thing I know for sure!

Left what alone, Portland? Neal did not make the decision for Perry to leave the band. Neal did not cause Augeri's voice to fail. He nipped a non fit for Journey in the bud before it went too far. He did not just hire a sound alike. While AP can parrot almost any singer, he has his own unique voice and style and unless you are hearing impared, he maintains the sound that Journey is known for. Isn't that the point of Journey going on and continuing to please thousands of fans at each gig they play? So, if Neal had just left it alone, it would have spelled epic failure for the band and they would not be having the kind of success they are having now. So, should the whole band have just retired????

OMG. So, you don't think AP is a sound-a-like? Puh-leeze!! I'm still waiting for AP's "unique voice and style". When has he EVER displayed THAT?? You must be deaf. I guess its a good thing for VanHalen that Sammy didn't seek to "maintain" the VanHalen sound, thus making them GREATER as a result. Otherwise, they'd be up the same river that Journey is. Journey shouldn't be sacrificing their collective soul to please the pittance of AP followers they have now compared to what they had with SP. Epic failure? THEY'RE EXPERIENCING IT NOW!!! The only reason they're getting any attention AT ALL is because of the singer that made them famous. Looking at where they were when SP joined, the band WOULD NOT EXIST NOW. AP is riding the coattails of SP and the fame that made them famous. Period. Should the whole band have just retired? Without SP fronting them? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace.

HELL NO!!!!

I've been to several concerts since SP left, and two with SP btw, and I'm glad they didn't retire.

Certainly, SP was my favorite singer they had, and my favorite singer period, but Journey were started by Herbie, Gregg and Neal to try to be successful, and they made it. That's all they try to continue to be, and they are. Arnel did nothing but accept a dream job and is keeping the legacy going.

As far as Sammy and Van Halen, that was in a completely different musical climate. It may have worked for Journey then had they switched to someone different and gone in a different direction, but it wouldn't work for either band now.

UM..............NO, they weren't! Yes, Journey was started by Herbie, Gregg and Neal and they were going NOWHERE. They did not "make it" until SP joined the band; and they were even reluctant about THAT in the beginning. Yeah, AP accepted a dream job.......to his peril. One of these days he's going to wake up and realize that that he's being USED by a workaholic when he could be garnering his own fame. He won't have to find another band to front after Neal fires him for the next sound-a-like, or he leaves on his own for whatever reason. Journey doesn't need to tour for FAME....they already have it. But what is ultimately going to kill them is Neal making a complete ass out of them, which he is in the process of doing. They're popularity has never been lower since SP first joined the band. If he's shooting for the "good old days" of obscurity before SP, then congratulations, Neal. Your goal is in sight.

Unlike some of you, I don't comment on things I know nothing about. Yes, shithead, I'm paying attention to what's going on with Journey's popularity/lack thereof nowadays.........and with a great deal of consternation. Bottom line, you just can't admit that Journey is in a SAD SAD place compared to where they could be. You're willing to settle and say "everything's alright' when its not. Yeah, maybe SP was a shit for not coming back to Journey (and it takes ALOT for me to say that), but Neal didn't have to continue with a sound-a-like as if nothing had happened. It's insulting to Journey and its insulting to us.

How in the HELL did this turn into an argument, anyway? Must be in the atmosphere here.

Peace.

Not sure who you're talking to here, but I hope it's me. That "shithead" comment will be addressed, along with other things.

[DavidC]

DavidC, why don't you just completely go for the gusto? Why not join the AP official site? I'm sure they'd be happy to hear your concerns over there. You could then be unwelcome in two places at the same time.

Ahhh, SteveO, I see right through your plan. You just want to see David get banned in two places simultaneously.

Dream on.

[Ash]

wow... someone to make froy look like a choir boy

[DavidC]

lol...2 years ago Journey was a bunch of "evil and greedy" people. Fast forward 2 years and they give the fans a tremendous package at a great price and we're talking about "technicalities." It's sold 750,000 units, debuted at #5 and was in the Top 40 for like 15 weeks. That's awfully impressive and no amount of spin doctoring can negate that.

AbsoF'inglutely. It also recieved good reviews across the board. I ignore the Platinum title. When they hit a million I'll go there. But I wouldn't turn it down by Journey if I were them either. But 750,0000 CDs from a 30 year old band with a new singer is something for them to be happy about.

When it goes double platinum, which is should after this tour, it will still be platinum in everybody's eyes. LOL

Go ahead and ignore the "platinum" title! LOLOLOL!!! How convenient!! Even though all those units (not platinum) were bought by people living in Manila..........it could be triple platinum (in "everybody's" eyes..........everybody? Obviously NOT) and still not mean a thing. Anything with AP in it cannot be considered a "tremendous package", unless you're talking about a load of bullshit. "And no amount of spin doctoring" that you do on this issue will change that. Oh!! And have a nice day.

P.S. Anybody going to one of "journey's" concerts this summer? See you at the fair!!!

Peace.

Dude, what the hell is your issue? You join up and start all kinds of crap. Not the way to go around here...

Okay, okay. But exactly how am I any worse than anyone else on here? If you want me to just agree with everyone, then just tell me. I won't give my opinions any more.

[Jana]

DavidC, why don't you just completely go for the gusto? Why not join the AP official site? I'm sure they'd be happy to hear your concerns over there. You could then be unwelcome in two places at the same time.

Ahhh, SteveO, I see right through your plan. You just want to see David get banned in two places simultaneously.

Dream on.

If you say so. Dreams really can come true on MR.

[Andrew]

My "trolling ass" will be right here waiting for your pitiful and ridiculous excuses/responses. Wake up, already.

Time to chill out. Now.

[DavidC]

My "trolling ass" will be right here waiting for your pitiful and ridiculous excuses/responses. Wake up, already.

Time to chill out. Now.

I'm sorry. Just responding to attacks. If I offended anyone, I'm sorry.

Peace.