"journey" press conference this week in Sweden

[Deacon]

Wouldn't it be funny if we were actually the same person and you said that to yourself?

[Gideon]

Aren't we all the same? Extensions of mother nature? After all, a couple of famous people once said... we are the world.

[Deacon]

Aren't we all the same? Extensions of mother nature? After all, a couple of famous people once said... we are the world.

If you look at it from a horridly incorrect point of view, then yes.

[DavidC]

I couldn't agree with you more, Gideon.

Well, since I've basically concluded that you're an idiot, you've practically closed negotiations with this remark.

And just because you know Deacon longer does not make him automatically correct, but I your mind, I suppose it does.

That's an interesting perspective to take. Deacon is right for a number of reasons, not the least of which is his impeccable grammar and ability to use the quote function with precision.

You're right, Gideon DID demonstrate a clear misunderstanding of the burden of proof,

I am Gideon. Deacon and you are separate entities. I always understand the burden of proof, which is due in large part to me not being an idiot.

so he made up facts about "selling out tickets" as if that were a common occurance (which it hasn't been, clearly).

Given the obscene amount of shows during the last tour that were sold out, the obvious conclusion is that it was a common occurance.

As you have seen, my attempt to shift the burden of proof did result in a verbal assbeating.

We are in agreement.

Have a nice day!!!

You too, sport.

LOL!!!

Well, I see that we can have a pissing match forever, and since it appears that seniority holds the sway in this clique, you will always appear to be right to your friends, even when you're not. But that's okay..........thats one of the benefits of being the sandbox longer. But I'm patient; so very patient. Facts will win out in the end......not your interpretation.

Peace!!

[DavidC]

They're popularity has never been lower since SP first joined the band. If he's shooting for the "good old days" of obscurity before SP, then congratulations, Neal. Your goal is in sight.

Yeah.....sure sounds like they are struggling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-HextC6 ... L&index=11

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/yearend/ ... ours.shtml

Thanks for the link.

Boy, that announcer isn't speaking for the managers of her station, is she? I wonder how kickbacks work in that realm? Hmm. And she's in Hawaii!!! Go figure...

[DavidC]

:evil:

Steve0 & 78, you two naked savages behave yourselves. Can't you see we've got company?!? We don't want to frighten off another one. Besides, what's one more Loon? The more the merrier, right? Right?? Oh, never mind....

Yeah the welcome mat is out once again.....just make sure you agree with them.....that makes them happy!

You guys are right, I shouldn't have called him a Loon. That's an insult to you and to me actually, since I do have my Loony moments. What the guy is (judging from his post's so far) is an Arnel hater trying to stir up sh*t.
It's his right to do it and mine not to like it.

And no, you don't have to agree with me, I like you Loons the way you are.

Actually, I'm not an Arnel-hater, per se, just a sound-a-like hater in general. More specifically, I'm a my-name-is-neal-and-I-hire-whoever-I-want-to-replace-SP-because-I-think-the-real-fans-are-too-stupid-to-know-the-difference hater.

I actually am on the same page, I don't hate AP, I think he is very talented...but the whole find somone who sounds like Perry crap, is the thing that gets me, hire a singer and go a different direction, don't re-record the songs that I remember from high school and expect me as a fan to like it, I don't!!!

I don't understand it......the people who say that we hate AP, I don't even know the guy!!! and yes he is good and is working his ass off, but he still has problems with his delivery of the songs from what I have seen. Neal just thinks that everyone will accept the replacement and some just won't...he should have left it alone.


That being said, I have ordered the CD and I am going to listen to it.....both CD's that way I can come here and know that I have given it a chance...I won't be attending a concert as for me I like the old songs in my memory bank the way they are....I guess you can call me too sentimental (go ahead!)


I would like to see SA with his new band....I really like his voice now and would love to experience him live.

I think that JSS is extreamly talented.....and he got a raw deal, yes I know shit happens...right

I don't know, we will all never agree on this one, and that is one thing I know for sure!

Left what alone, Portland? Neal did not make the decision for Perry to leave the band. Neal did not cause Augeri's voice to fail. He nipped a non fit for Journey in the bud before it went too far. He did not just hire a sound alike. While AP can parrot almost any singer, he has his own unique voice and style and unless you are hearing impared, he maintains the sound that Journey is known for. Isn't that the point of Journey going on and continuing to please thousands of fans at each gig they play? So, if Neal had just left it alone, it would have spelled epic failure for the band and they would not be having the kind of success they are having now. So, should the whole band have just retired????

OMG. So, you don't think AP is a sound-a-like? Puh-leeze!! I'm still waiting for AP's "unique voice and style". When has he EVER displayed THAT?? You must be deaf. I guess its a good thing for VanHalen that Sammy didn't seek to "maintain" the VanHalen sound, thus making them GREATER as a result. Otherwise, they'd be up the same river that Journey is. Journey shouldn't be sacrificing their collective soul to please the pittance of AP followers they have now compared to what they had with SP. Epic failure? THEY'RE EXPERIENCING IT NOW!!! The only reason they're getting any attention AT ALL is because of the singer that made them famous. Looking at where they were when SP joined, the band WOULD NOT EXIST NOW. AP is riding the coattails of SP and the fame that made them famous. Period. Should the whole band have just retired? Without SP fronting them? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace.

HELL NO!!!!

I've been to several concerts since SP left, and two with SP btw, and I'm glad they didn't retire.

Certainly, SP was my favorite singer they had, and my favorite singer period, but Journey were started by Herbie, Gregg and Neal to try to be successful, and they made it. That's all they try to continue to be, and they are. Arnel did nothing but accept a dream job and is keeping the legacy going.

As far as Sammy and Van Halen, that was in a completely different musical climate. It may have worked for Journey then had they switched to someone different and gone in a different direction, but it wouldn't work for either band now.

UM..............NO, they weren't! Yes, Journey was started by Herbie, Gregg and Neal and they were going NOWHERE. They did not "make it" until SP joined the band; and they were even reluctant about THAT in the beginning. Yeah, AP accepted a dream job.......to his peril. One of these days he's going to wake up and realize that that he's being USED by a workaholic when he could be garnering his own fame. He won't have to find another band to front after Neal fires him for the next sound-a-like, or he leaves on his own for whatever reason. Journey doesn't need to tour for FAME....they already have it. But what is ultimately going to kill them is Neal making a complete ass out of them, which he is in the process of doing. They're popularity has never been lower since SP first joined the band. If he's shooting for the "good old days" of obscurity before SP, then congratulations, Neal. Your goal is in sight.

Yes, they were. It didn't happen until SP joined, but they did start the band to try to be successful and they obtained that. Certainly yes, with SP.

It will not be Arnel's peril for joining Journey. It will be his retirement. He won't have to work again, but I'm betting he will at some level.

DSB is the most downloaded song on iTunes. They play to capacity or near capacity crowds every where they go. I'd say they're pretty fucking popular.

Too bad they're not downloading it with AP singing it........intentionally.

Yeah, intentionally.

And then I guess they're unintentionally attending the concerts?

You're argument is so lame. Get some sleep then come back tomorrow and try again.

Intentionally? Yeah, I'm sure Just like that commericial and that new show that played journey with AP singing......oh.....wait a minute......that wasn't HIM, was it? Hmm. Of course the fact that DSB is the most downloaded and the "capacity" crowds they play are mostly crowds they have NEVER player to before. Let's see what happens when they back the states. Hmm. No stadiums played here. SEE YOU AT THE FAIR!!!!

[DavidC]

Thank you very much for your subjective rationalizing. But we all know who is using the facts as they are, and not trying to intellectualize opinions to seem like fact. Have a nice day!!

Oh, my.

I see two things wrong with your statement, David:

1) Is your cat sitting beside you? Because otherwise, there would be no option for "we" to occur in the context that you're using.

2) Are you suffering from some form of amnesia? I remember watching an episode of "House M.D." and it had a patient that showed some very trademark symptoms that you're starkly paralleling. The patient adapted to his surroundings, to put it in the shortest context, and used things from the aforementioned surroundings to supply deficits in his memory processes. You see, this isn't the first time that you've tried to use words or phrases adapted from my prior argument. "Rationalization," and let us not forget about your little tirade about how I'm trying to "intellectualize" the debate by using sophisticated words and processes.

It really is a shame. I came back for a debate and only saw a slew of crazed and irrational phrases. It's a shame, really.

That's okay, Deacon. I can understand why you cannot comprehend what I am trying to say....you have already pre-selected catch phrases that you like to use in an effort to boggle the weak-minded.....and trying to invalidate my explanations simply by calling them "crazed and irrational" would also be consistent with your grandiosity. I don't remember the name of that episode that you seem to relate to so well? What was it again? I'd really like to know (seriously)

[Gideon]

Well, I see that we can have a pissing match forever,

Yes, and I was about to comment on your weak stream.

and since it appears that seniority holds the sway in this clique,

That would be a prominent excuse for those new among us who struggle to make anything approaching a point. Like you.

you will always appear to be right to your friends, even when you're not.

Signature aside, understand that arrogance isn't cute. Particularly when the arrogant person makes spelling mistake after spelling mistake, demonstrates no understanding of the burden of proof, and has admitted to a hate-mongering agenda.

I realize all too well that characters like Gregory House, or even the one in my avatar, Alan Shore, make hard ass egomaniacs something to aspire to. The thing is: they're actually intelligent, objective, and almost always (in some ways) right. You meet none of the criteria. So I would recommend leaving your painfully vulnerable ego, your poor understanding of logic and grammar, and (most especially) your agenda at the proverbial door when you log in.

Because Andrew, the moderator, doesn't even tolerate my ego. Why would he tolerate yours? Particularly when you have this annoying habit of being wrong?

There's no reason for this place to tolerate your bullshit. So, rather than act like some minature dachshund who fancies himself a doberman fresh off the leash, come here and state your (poorly worded and executed) opinions in a calm, objective manner.

But that's okay..........thats one of the benefits of being the sandbox longer. But I'm patient; so very patient. Facts will win out in the end......not your interpretation.

Patient? God, I hope so. It strikes me as though you've had to deal with your stupidity on a daily basis for many, many years. If you haven't accepted its nature by now, I suspect you'd probably avoid socialization all together. Good to know that short of real life friends or girlfriends, one can always come to Melodic Rock and try to get shit started.

Unjustified arrogance, a vulnerable ego, weak socialization skills, and no understanding of simple logic... even though I'm not good at math, something tells me that these four variables won't yield an impressive result.

Peace!!

You too, sport.

[Jana]

Well, I see that we can have a pissing match forever,

Yes, and I was about to comment on your weak stream.

and since it appears that seniority holds the sway in this clique,

That would be a prominent excuse for those new among us who struggle to make anything approaching a point. Like you.

you will always appear to be right to your friends, even when you're not.

Signature aside, understand that arrogance isn't cute. Particularly when the arrogant person makes spelling mistake after spelling mistake, demonstrates no understanding of the burden of proof, and has admitted to a hate-mongering agenda.

I realize all too well that characters like Gregory House, or even the one in my avatar, Alan Shore, make hard ass egomaniacs something to aspire to. The thing is: they're actually intelligent, objective, and almost always (in some ways) right. You meet none of the criteria. So I would recommend leaving your painfully vulnerable ego, your poor understanding of logic and grammar, and (most especially) your agenda at the proverbial door when you log in.

Because Andrew, the moderator, doesn't even tolerate my ego. Why would he tolerate yours? Particularly when you have this annoying habit of being wrong?

There's no reason for this place to tolerate your bullshit. So, rather than act like some minature dachshund who fancies himself a doberman fresh off the leash, come here and state your (poorly worded and executed) opinions in a calm, objective manner.

But that's okay..........thats one of the benefits of being the sandbox longer. But I'm patient; so very patient. Facts will win out in the end......not your interpretation.

Patient? God, I hope so. It strikes me as though you've had to deal with your stupidity on a daily basis for many, many years. If you haven't accepted its nature by now, I suspect you'd probably avoid socialization all together. Good to know that short of real life friends or girlfriends, one can always come to Melodic Rock and try to get shit started.

Unjustified arrogance, a vulnerable ego, weak socialization skills, and no understanding of simple logic... even though I'm not good at math, something tells me that these four variables won't yield an impressive result.

Peace!!

You too, sport.

Gotta love Giddy.

[portland]

Well, I see that we can have a pissing match forever,

Yes, and I was about to comment on your weak stream.

and since it appears that seniority holds the sway in this clique,

That would be a prominent excuse for those new among us who struggle to make anything approaching a point. Like you.

you will always appear to be right to your friends, even when you're not.

Signature aside, understand that arrogance isn't cute. Particularly when the arrogant person makes spelling mistake after spelling mistake, demonstrates no understanding of the burden of proof, and has admitted to a hate-mongering agenda.

I realize all too well that characters like Gregory House, or even the one in my avatar, Alan Shore, make hard ass egomaniacs something to aspire to. The thing is: they're actually intelligent, objective, and almost always (in some ways) right. You meet none of the criteria. So I would recommend leaving your painfully vulnerable ego, your poor understanding of logic and grammar, and (most especially) your agenda at the proverbial door when you log in.

Because Andrew, the moderator, doesn't even tolerate my ego. Why would he tolerate yours? Particularly when you have this annoying habit of being wrong?

There's no reason for this place to tolerate your bullshit. So, rather than act like some minature dachshund who fancies himself a doberman fresh off the leash, come here and state your (poorly worded and executed) opinions in a calm, objective manner.

But that's okay..........thats one of the benefits of being the sandbox longer. But I'm patient; so very patient. Facts will win out in the end......not your interpretation.

Patient? God, I hope so. It strikes me as though you've had to deal with your stupidity on a daily basis for many, many years. If you haven't accepted its nature by now, I suspect you'd probably avoid socialization all together. Good to know that short of real life friends or girlfriends, one can always come to Melodic Rock and try to get shit started.

Unjustified arrogance, a vulnerable ego, weak socialization skills, and no understanding of simple logic... even though I'm not good at math, something tells me that these four variables won't yield an impressive result.

Peace!!

You too, sport.

Gotta love Giddy.

Yeah but he exhausts me

[DavidC]

"I was about to comment on your weak stream."

If I ever needed an expert in that area, I'll be sure to refer to you. We all see a plethora of examples every day.

"Signature aside, understand that arrogance isn't cute. Particularly when the arrogant person makes spelling mistake after spelling mistake, demonstrates no understanding of the burden of proof, and has admitted to a hate-mongering agenda."

It is correct that arrogance is NOT cute; so why do you persist in answering my posts? I'm trying to have civil conversation. You feel attacked in some way. It is natural for you to feel you need to defend yourself with a lame attempt at inflammatory rhetoric. No hate-mongering agenda here, except for yours.

"I realize all too well that characters like Gregory House, or even the one in my avatar, Alan Shore, make hard ass egomaniacs something to aspire to."

You have proven that abundantly.

"The thing is: they're actually intelligent, objective, and almost always (in some ways) right."

At least we know who you're trying so desperately to emulate in your posts.

"You meet none of the criteria."

Ouch. I'm hurt.

"So I would recommend leaving your painfully vulnerable ego, your poor understanding of logic and grammar, and (most especially) your agenda at the proverbial door when you log in."

Actually, you took the words right out of my mouth. It's amazing what you accomplish with a 2.0 GPA, at best.

"Because Andrew, the moderator, doesn't even tolerate my ego. Why would he tolerate yours? Particularly when you have this annoying habit of being wrong?"

Andrew seems intelligent to me in my few encounters with him. Maybe he finds your posts as hilarious as I do. I'm still waiting for you to put two conherent words together without sounding like you're trying too hard.

"There's no reason for this place to tolerate your bullshit. So, rather than act like some minature dachshund who fancies himself a doberman fresh off the leash, come here and state your (poorly worded and executed) opinions in a calm, objective manner."

You go first.

"Patient? God, I hope so. It strikes me as though you've had to deal with your stupidity on a daily basis for many, many years."

A poor assessment at best, but then you are running out of seemingly artful responses to intelligent reasoning in order to hide your embarrassment.

"If you haven't accepted its nature by now, I suspect you'd probably avoid socialization all together. Good to know that short of real life friends or girlfriends, one can always come to Melodic Rock and try to get shit started."

I'm sure that is the reason why you originally came here to begin with;, but you shouldn't try to transfer your problems on to others. Passive aggression is so obvious. But I actually really do care.

"Unjustified arrogance, a vulnerable ego, weak socialization skills, and no understanding of simple logic... even though I'm not good at math, something tells me that these four variables won't yield an impressive result."

You have proven that in your posts beyond a shadow of a doubt. I believe almost everyone in here would agree with me.


Peace!!

[DavidC]

Well, I see that we can have a pissing match forever,

Yes, and I was about to comment on your weak stream.

and since it appears that seniority holds the sway in this clique,

That would be a prominent excuse for those new among us who struggle to make anything approaching a point. Like you.

you will always appear to be right to your friends, even when you're not.

Signature aside, understand that arrogance isn't cute. Particularly when the arrogant person makes spelling mistake after spelling mistake, demonstrates no understanding of the burden of proof, and has admitted to a hate-mongering agenda.

I realize all too well that characters like Gregory House, or even the one in my avatar, Alan Shore, make hard ass egomaniacs something to aspire to. The thing is: they're actually intelligent, objective, and almost always (in some ways) right. You meet none of the criteria. So I would recommend leaving your painfully vulnerable ego, your poor understanding of logic and grammar, and (most especially) your agenda at the proverbial door when you log in.

Because Andrew, the moderator, doesn't even tolerate my ego. Why would he tolerate yours? Particularly when you have this annoying habit of being wrong?

There's no reason for this place to tolerate your bullshit. So, rather than act like some minature dachshund who fancies himself a doberman fresh off the leash, come here and state your (poorly worded and executed) opinions in a calm, objective manner.

But that's okay..........thats one of the benefits of being the sandbox longer. But I'm patient; so very patient. Facts will win out in the end......not your interpretation.

Patient? God, I hope so. It strikes me as though you've had to deal with your stupidity on a daily basis for many, many years. If you haven't accepted its nature by now, I suspect you'd probably avoid socialization all together. Good to know that short of real life friends or girlfriends, one can always come to Melodic Rock and try to get shit started.

Unjustified arrogance, a vulnerable ego, weak socialization skills, and no understanding of simple logic... even though I'm not good at math, something tells me that these four variables won't yield an impressive result.

Peace!!

You too, sport.

Gotta love Giddy.

Yeah but he exhausts me

Really? How so?

[Deacon]

Lol.

I'm reading over your last few posts, David, and I'm getting flashbacks to a time whenever I argued in the same manner as you have throughout your last few posts. I remember to stints in my earlier childhood, around age six or so, whenever I thought that I was truly arguing by resorting to the same mannerisms that you have been.

The days of "I'm rubbr n ur glu" and "I no u r but wat am i?" are over, buddy. It's time to grow up.

[stargzr210]

Well, I see that we can have a pissing match forever,

Yes, and I was about to comment on your weak stream.

and since it appears that seniority holds the sway in this clique,

That would be a prominent excuse for those new among us who struggle to make anything approaching a point. Like you.

you will always appear to be right to your friends, even when you're not.

Signature aside, understand that arrogance isn't cute. Particularly when the arrogant person makes spelling mistake after spelling mistake, demonstrates no understanding of the burden of proof, and has admitted to a hate-mongering agenda.

I realize all too well that characters like Gregory House, or even the one in my avatar, Alan Shore, make hard ass egomaniacs something to aspire to. The thing is: they're actually intelligent, objective, and almost always (in some ways) right. You meet none of the criteria. So I would recommend leaving your painfully vulnerable ego, your poor understanding of logic and grammar, and (most especially) your agenda at the proverbial door when you log in.

Because Andrew, the moderator, doesn't even tolerate my ego. Why would he tolerate yours? Particularly when you have this annoying habit of being wrong?

There's no reason for this place to tolerate your bullshit. So, rather than act like some minature dachshund who fancies himself a doberman fresh off the leash, come here and state your (poorly worded and executed) opinions in a calm, objective manner.

But that's okay..........thats one of the benefits of being the sandbox longer. But I'm patient; so very patient. Facts will win out in the end......not your interpretation.

Patient? God, I hope so. It strikes me as though you've had to deal with your stupidity on a daily basis for many, many years. If you haven't accepted its nature by now, I suspect you'd probably avoid socialization all together. Good to know that short of real life friends or girlfriends, one can always come to Melodic Rock and try to get shit started.

Unjustified arrogance, a vulnerable ego, weak socialization skills, and no understanding of simple logic... even though I'm not good at math, something tells me that these four variables won't yield an impressive result.

Peace!!

You too, sport.

Gotta love Giddy.

how can you hate gids? he always got a good comeback! i love it!! lol

[DavidC]

I'm reading over your last few posts, David, and I'm getting flashbacks to a time whenever I argued in the same manner as you have throughout your last few posts. I remember to stints in my earlier childhood, around age six or so, whenever I thought that I was truly arguing by resorting to the same mannerisms that you have been.

Wow, that statement is almost as lame as your friends statements! I suppose that's all you could come up with to try to discredit me in some way, right? LOL. You disappoint me, Deacon. I expected a far more sophisticated crock from you than that.

The days of "I'm rubbr n ur glu" and "I no u r but wat am i?" are over, buddy. It's time to grow up.

Words to live by. Your statements are lame. Your intention is ineffective. This pursuit, for you and your ilk, is futile.

So, exactly how far back were these flashbacks, anyway? You said you were six or so? So, that means your 12 now, right?

Am I close?

I wait for your response with anticipation.

Peace.

[Deacon]

Wow, that statement is almost as lame as your friends statements! I suppose that's all you could come up with to try to discredit me in some way, right? LOL. You disappoint me, Deacon. I expected a far more sophisticated crock from you than that.

You mistake my soon to be discussed intentions right off of the get-go. You mistakenly assume that I'm simply here to appease you and the rest of the audience that creates this forum board with flashy, overzealous grammar skills, and intellectualism. In fact, that has been your excuse for everything. Rather than discuss the facts or even the motherfucking subjective material, the material that you're consistently bitching about, that is presented to you, you merely dance around it, running through some phantasmagorical, childlike actions along the way.

The only difference between your posts and a toddler's is the fact that you've attempted, even failing at that, to mimic words and phrases that I have used in prior contexts.

Words to live by. Your statements are lame. Your intention is ineffective. This pursuit, for you and your ilk, is futile.

You say that, David, but yet you've shown no intentions nor even the smallest of inklings that you're willing to follow those words that I have stated. You're still using the comebacks that children don't even use in grade school. The fact that you've used them, and continue to defend them, makes me seriously doubt your capacity for actual, rational, empirical thought [disregarding the fact that you've given constant substantiation through your childlike arguments].

I would say that it makes me laugh to read your posts, but I don't. The only emotional response that I have used thus far is shaking my head at the sheer stupidity and contradiction that stands for the concept of rational thought for you. I truly pity you for that.

[Deacon]

Oh, before I forget,

Peace out. A-town down.

And whatever else the hip, young youth does nowadays.

[DavidC]

You mistake my soon to be discussed intentions right off of the get-go. You mistakenly assume that I'm simply here to appease you and the rest of the audience that creates this forum board with flashy, overzealous grammar skills, and intellectualism.

You state your case quite admirably in that you indirectly give your position away. Your "grammar skills" as you call them are quite juvenile and your intellectualism is found wanting. Maybe not so much the words, but the delivery is clumsy and predicatble.

In fact, that has been your excuse for everything. Rather than discuss the facts or even the motherfucking subjective material, the material that you're consistently bitching about, that is presented to you, you merely dance around it, running through some phantasmagorical, childlike actions along the way.

Again, don't attribute your problems to me. If you would like to discuss something in a calm, objective manner, then I'm game. Your assessments are ridiculous and infantile, and not impressing anyone; so don't complain to me about your inability to counter effectively. You want to discuss something? Then let's discuss.

The only difference between your posts and a toddler's is the fact that you've attempted, even failing at that, to mimic words and phrases that I have used in prior contexts.

I have not attempted to mimic any words or phrasology that you have attempted to employ. It not necessary to start throwing insults.

You say that, David, but yet you've shown no intentions nor even the smallest of inklings that you're willing to follow those words that I have stated. You're still using the comebacks that children don't even use in grade school.

Again, another lame attempt to invalidate my sound reasoning because you feel scholastically threatened. You're becoming redundant.

The fact that you've used them, and continue to defend them, makes me seriously doubt your capacity for actual, rational, empirical thought [disregarding the fact that you've given constant substantiation through your childlike arguments.

Well, at least you're willing to concede (however indirectly) that I am able to substantiate what I say. You can't stand the fact that I can see through you pseudo-intellectual bullshit and so you decide to attack my statements instead. BTW, your "doubts" about my "capacity" are completely irrelevant to me or anyone else, I'm sure.

I would say that it makes me laugh to read your posts, but I don't. The only emotional response that I have used thus far is shaking my head at the sheer stupidity and contradiction that stands for the concept of rational thought for you. I truly pity you for that.

I share your feelings in shaking your head when I try to glean some kind of substance from your posts, but unlike you, I do laugh at your posts. The fact that you consider my concept of rational thought to be stupid and contradicting only indicates that you cannot properly grasp what I'm trying to say. If you truly pity me, then please feel some compassion.


Peace.

[Deacon]

You state your case quite admirably in that you indirectly give your position away. Your "grammar skills" as you call them are quite juvenile and your intellectualism is found wanting. Maybe not so much the words, but the delivery is clumsy and predicatble.

Oh, okay. Please, since you are obviously the expert in all things rational, empirical, and intellectual, elaborate on your stance and provide some specific examples. You see, the only thing that I'm doing here now is setting up a strawman argument, and I'm sure that, deep down within the unused parts of your brain, you're finally understanding this.

You can't. Care to prove me wrong? Let's see it.

Again, don't attribute your problems to me. If you would like to discuss something in a calm, objective manner, then I'm game. Your assessments are ridiculous and infantile, and not impressing anyone; so don't complain to me about your inability to counter effectively. You want to discuss something? Then let's discuss.

I've been attempting to discuss these things with you for two days now, going on three. Thus far, you've been incapable through some mysterious form of either amnesia or total incompetence. I'm not sure which it is, but I am sure that you're suffering from one. Whether I refer to your childish comments towards Gideon and myself or your total avoidance of everything that I've stated thus far by your mass excuses and ad hominem, everyone, not simply one, as used in a scientific environment, everyone has seen that you're incapable of objective, rational, calm discussion.

You've done nothing but create shitstorm after failed shitstorm, only to be knocked off of your pedestal by two egos that are horridly larger than yours, substantiated mind you, but nevertheless larger. And, to top that off, each time that has occurred, your actions show an obvious damage, which is worst of all.

I have not attempted to mimic any words or phrasology that you have attempted to employ. It not necessary to start throwing insults.

Your opinion about "Revelations" and the accompanying tour stops does not make it any more valid, neither does it discredit my opinion either. I could "refer" ad nauseum to that cd and it wouldn't/hasn't done anything to change my opinion, and labling your subjective examinations/explanations through intellectualizing does not make it objective thinking. Nice try, though. I'm sure you have ALOT of people cowed with your superfluous cacophoney of words, silencing them into bewilderment in the process. I will NOT be one of them, my friend. You can translate into a multiplicity of words all you like, but its still bullshit.

You're forgetting about that gem right there, aren't you? ^^

You see, the aforementioned phrasing is ever-present within that paragraph. You employed the same styling and grammar techniques that I had throughout my posts before.

Again, another lame attempt to invalidate my sound reasoning because you feel scholastically threatened. You're becoming redundant.

What sound reasoning have you provided thus far in this debacle? Please, reiterate it because I haven't seen it.

Well, at least you're willing to concede (however indirectly) that I am able to substantiate what I say. You can't stand the fact that I can see through you pseudo-intellectual bullshit and so you decide to attack my statements instead. BTW, your "doubts" about my "capacity" are completely irrelevant to me or anyone else, I'm sure.

I see that you're willing to provide a semantical argument rather than actual fact based, rational discussion. Further substantiation, mind you.

But, I'm guessing that won't bother you too much. Being obtuse in the severe manner that you are reflects on the ability of thought.

I share your feelings in shaking your head when I try to glean some kind of substance from your posts, but unlike you, I do laugh at your posts. The fact that you consider my concept of rational thought to be stupid and contradicting only indicates that you cannot properly grasp what I'm trying to say. If you truly pity me, then please feel some compassion.

Another example of where you've gleaned my posts for a mimicry of your choosing. Oh well.

As long as you're willing to keep digging your own grave, I'll be willing to provide you with the shovel.

[Gideon]

Gideon presents "DavidC's Greatest Hits" or, as repackaged in the real world, "Why DavidC Should Be Banned."

Here are some excerpts from the artist's short-lived stint at MelodicRock:

You state your case quite admirably in that you indirectly give your position away. Your "grammar skills" as you call them are quite juvenile and your intellectualism is found wanting. Maybe not so much the words, but the delivery is clumsy and predicatble.

Yes, Captain Grammar, at the end of delivering an "inflammatory tirade" does butcher an easily spelled word, thus mitigating all of the shit that precluded it.

I have not attempted to mimic any words or phrasology that you have attempted to employ. It not necessary to start throwing insults.

Here, Captain Grammar, after lecturing about perceived verbosity, attempts to use a new word gleaned from Google and fucks it up.

Throw an "e" in there, hotshot.

It is correct that arrogance is NOT cute; so why do you persist in answering my posts? I'm trying to have civil conversation. You feel attacked in some way. It is natural for you to feel you need to defend yourself with a lame attempt at inflammatory rhetoric. No hate-mongering agenda here, except for yours.

Yes, dickhead, I HAVE heard "Revelation" and its just more of the same old, same old shit from sound-a-like number 3. I guess the analogy of "trying to keep the same sound" would be all shot to hell if it didn't SOUND like AP was TRYING to be someone different, huh? But then, THAT goes without saying. I don't have to try and make you or anyone else believe ANYTHING, they're not stupid, they can hear, unlike you and your sad, irrelevant analysis.

Unlike some of you, I don't comment on things I know nothing about. Yes, shithead, I'm paying attention to what's going on with Journey's popularity/lack thereof nowadays.........and with a great deal of consternation.

Actually, you took the words right out of my mouth. It's amazing what you accomplish with a 2.0 GPA, at best.

Er... contradiction?

Again, don't attribute your problems to me. If you would like to discuss something in a calm, objective manner, then I'm game. Your assessments are ridiculous and infantile, and not impressing anyone; so don't complain to me about your inability to counter effectively. You want to discuss something? Then let's discuss

You're willing to settle and say "everything's alright' when its not. Yeah, maybe SP was a shit for not coming back to Journey (and it takes ALOT for me to say that), but Neal didn't have to continue with a sound-a-like as if nothing had happened. It's insulting to Journey and its insulting to us.

Anything with AP in it cannot be considered a "tremendous package", unless you're talking about a load of bullshit.

Yeah... a real patron saint of objectivity you are, David.

Too bad they're not downloading it with AP singing it........intentionally.

I suppose the 'C' in your username must stand for Cosmicfuckup. Arnel's version isn't available on iTunes, jackass.

Andrew seems intelligent to me in my few encounters with him. Maybe he finds your posts as hilarious as I do. I'm still waiting for you to put two conherent words together without sounding like you're trying too hard.

Yeah, you really ought to consider dropping the whole facade of being some sort of English juggernaut.

You have proven that in your posts beyond a shadow of a doubt. [b]I believe almost everyone in here would agree with me.

No, what everyone would agree with is that you're a troll. A blatant, contradictory, paradoxical, stupid, arrogant, utter fuckup. Your opinions, however retarded and meritless, are welcome. The manner in which you have expressed them is not. You have no understanding of basic logic, you are a grammatical suicide bomber, and you're a lying, duplicitious, hypocritical ass.

This is but a fraction of the bullshit you've spewed in less than one hundred posts.

But I would like to take this time to thank you for reminding us why, in this day and age, the right of the mother to abort a fetus is so important. We shouldn't have to deal with assholes like you.

I think your very presence is an advertisement for the merits of being pro-life.

[Don]

You fuckers should give lessons on this multiquoting stuff, I don't know how you stay on top of it.

[Gideon]

And now, my phone is waiting.

If I get letters, hatemail, or a stern spanking from Andrew, I'd like you to know that I will take any punishment for the opportunity to say that. I can't fault jackass here for being considered arrogant and pompous, though it's not as if any similar accusations have ever been thrown my way...

But when you're arrogant and so unabashedly incompetent? This guy lectures on grammar and makes mistake after mistake after mistake ad infinitum. This guy lectures on logic and commits the most basic fallacies. This guy claims to be objective, and spews shit like "lulz arnel sux1!1!" and admits that it pains him to admit fault on Perry's behalf. Then, best of all, he whines about being a victim and then responds with blatant ad hominem and personal attacks at the mere sign of disagreement.

Firm, opinionated, and controversial, I can understand. And relate to. But this is ridiculous.

[Saint John]

And now, my phone is waiting.

If I get letters, hatemail, or a stern spanking from Andrew, I'd like you to know that I will take any punishment for the opportunity to say that. I can't fault jackass here for being considered arrogant and pompous, though it's not as if any similar accusations have ever been thrown my way...

But when you're arrogant and so unabashedly incompetent? This guy lectures on grammar and makes mistake after mistake after mistake ad infinitum. This guy lectures on logic and commits the most basic fallacies. This guy claims to be objective, and spews shit like "lulz arnel sux1!1!" and admits that it pains him to admit fault on Perry's behalf. Then, best of all, he whines about being a victim and then responds with blatant ad hominem and personal attacks at the mere sign of disagreement.

Firm, opinionated, and controversial, I can understand. And relate to. But this is ridiculous.

Ease up, grasshopper. You've cyber raped him point by point for several days now. His asshole looks like he was butt fucked by Shrek on a crack binge.

[Gideon]

Ease up, grasshopper. You've cyber raped him point by point for several days now. His asshole looks like he was butt fucked by Shrek on a crack binge.

I think I've said enough. Deacon can handle the rest.

[G.I.Jim]

Ease up, grasshopper. You've cyber raped him point by point for several days now. His asshole looks like he was butt fucked by Shrek on a crack binge.

I think I've said enough. Deacon can handle the rest.

Are you going to hand the laptop to him so he can use it from HIS side of the bed now?

[Jana]

I think I've said enough. Deacon can handle the rest.

Are you going to hand the laptop to him so he can use it from HIS side of the bed now?

Best line of the day, Jim. You did good today, Giddy. You fought the good fight.

[Gideon]

Ease up, grasshopper. You've cyber raped him point by point for several days now. His asshole looks like he was butt fucked by Shrek on a crack binge.

I think I've said enough. Deacon can handle the rest.

Are you going to hand the laptop to him so he can use it from HIS side of the bed now?

Can I interest you in a warm glass of Fuck You? It's distributed by You Are A Complete Asshole Prick, Inc. and comes in Grape, Orange, and Kiss My Ass.

[DavidC]

Oh, okay. Please, since you are obviously the expert in all things rational, empirical, and intellectual, elaborate on your stance and provide some specific examples. You see, the only thing that I'm doing here now is setting up a strawman argument, and I'm sure that, deep down within the unused parts of your brain, you're finally understanding this.

First of all, Thank you for proclaiming me the expert in all things, but I am not the one trying to desperately prove that I am right about all things. Secondly, this would not be the forum to set you up and then have you fall on your self-celebrated face. If you would like to exchange e-mails about your fallacious reasoning, I would be more than happy to help you. Concerning the straw man argument: Since YOU are the one who brought it up, I think it only fair that YOU be the one to provide YOUR stance and specific examples. You might want to save yourself some time and effort by doing away with the straw man arguement and instead employ syllogistic reasoning. Your reasoning is so simplistic that I do not believe the straw man argument would be appropriate. It would only belabour whatever issue you choose. Besides, judging from your posts, you obviously could not handle it properly - you would spend the entire time trying to justify the technique you are using in order to substantiate your convoluted logic, and the issue would ultimately be lost. You would end up only grasping at "straws" in order to make yourself look superior in some way. LOL!!

I've been attempting to discuss these things with you for two days now, going on three. Thus far, you've been incapable through some mysterious form of either amnesia or total incompetence. I'm not sure which it is, but I am sure that you're suffering from one.

Wow. That's impressive. You actually admitted that you don't know something. Where's my calender? You need to clarify what exactly it is you are trying to "discuss" (ridiculous personal attacks and lame innuendo notwithstanding). You have spent the majority of your energy trying to discredit me in some way. You have offered nothing with which to have an interesting conversation about. Sounds like you feel like you have something to prove. Did your father not give you enough affection when you were a child? I believe you were picked on as a child, and now you're trying to overcompensate for your low self-esteem. That is why you seek attention on here, trying desperately to prove that you are worth loving. How mundane. And overdone.

Whether I refer to your childish comments towards Gideon and myself or your total avoidance of everything that I've stated thus far by your mass excuses and ad hominem, everyone, not simply one, as used in a scientific environment, everyone has seen that you're incapable of objective, rational, calm discussion.

And THAT, my friend, is your personal opinion. I have nothing to prove to you, nor do I care what you think of me. I am only answering your posts for my own amusement, hoping (in vain) that we would have something important to discuss. But its obvious that the only intention is not to discuss, but purely to dispute. Period.

You've done nothing but create shitstorm after failed shitstorm, only to be knocked off of your pedestal by two egos that are horridly larger than yours, substantiated mind you, but nevertheless larger. And, to top that off, each time that has occurred, your actions show an obvious damage, which is worst of all.

Such conceit is laudable in a world full of pissants.....but not impressive. Do not seek to dismiss your own damage by transferring it to me just because you cannot counter my reasoing. Your conclusions portray an obvious need to be heard above all else. My "pedestal" as you call it is secure, because you are nothing and your education is obviously second-rate. Do you see anyone here rushing to your defense? No. You don't. Because they also see how pathetic you are in your stutterings to me, and furthermore, they don't care (unless you want to call your other alias, Gideon, your friend). Please don't bother trying to defend yourself saying that you are two different people. You have already tried to dispel that notion earlier in the thread. There can't POSSIBLY be two idiots of the same deluded strain on this forum.

You see, the aforementioned phrasing is ever-present within that paragraph. You employed the same styling and grammar techniques that I had throughout my posts before.

The comment that I made about Revelations and the tour have nothing to do with what you ever had to say. That was one of my first comments on here ever. I did not have the time (nor did I make the time) to read anything that you or anyone else had posted. Therefore, I must deduce that you only wished that you had written it.....but you did not have the capacity, and so you're upset and frustrated. You will never be able to measure up to me, no matter how much you may try (and you will try, because you are a glutton for punishment...LOL!).

What sound reasoning have you provided thus far in this debacle? Please, reiterate it because I haven't seen it.

You only prove my point my making that statement....and so you wish to rehash this whole debacle? You mean you didn't get it the first time? Point made.

I see that you're willing to provide a semantical argument rather than actual fact based, rational discussion. Further substantiation, mind you. But, I'm guessing that won't bother you too much. Being obtuse in the severe manner that you are reflects on the ability of thought.

You choose not to bring yourself to agree with my arguments, nor are you able to, so you call them obtuse. What grade are you in? I'll bet you haven't finished the eighth grade!! You wouldn't know a rational discussion if it hit you in the face. Your only desire is to argue in an effort to gain the attention/praise of others to make up for your small...........mind. Your reasoning is meaningless. It does not make an impact.

As long as you're willing to keep digging your own grave, I'll be willing to provide you with the shovel.

As I will for you............as long as you don't drown in your own manure. Stop trying to prove yourself. Daddy doesn't have to love you, you don't need his approval any longer. Stop crying and be a man.



Peace.

[DavidC]

Gideon presents "DavidC's Greatest Hits" or, as repackaged in the real world, "Why DavidC Should Be Banned."

Here are some excerpts from the artist's short-lived stint at MelodicRock:

You state your case quite admirably in that you indirectly give your position away. Your "grammar skills" as you call them are quite juvenile and your intellectualism is found wanting. Maybe not so much the words, but the delivery is clumsy and predicatble.

Yes, Captain Grammar, at the end of delivering an "inflammatory tirade" does butcher an easily spelled word, thus mitigating all of the shit that precluded it.

I have not attempted to mimic any words or phrasology that you have attempted to employ. It not necessary to start throwing insults.

Here, Captain Grammar, after lecturing about perceived verbosity, attempts to use a new word gleaned from Google and fucks it up.

Throw an "e" in there, hotshot.

It is correct that arrogance is NOT cute; so why do you persist in answering my posts? I'm trying to have civil conversation. You feel attacked in some way. It is natural for you to feel you need to defend yourself with a lame attempt at inflammatory rhetoric. No hate-mongering agenda here, except for yours.

Yes, dickhead, I HAVE heard "Revelation" and its just more of the same old, same old shit from sound-a-like number 3. I guess the analogy of "trying to keep the same sound" would be all shot to hell if it didn't SOUND like AP was TRYING to be someone different, huh? But then, THAT goes without saying. I don't have to try and make you or anyone else believe ANYTHING, they're not stupid, they can hear, unlike you and your sad, irrelevant analysis.

Unlike some of you, I don't comment on things I know nothing about. Yes, shithead, I'm paying attention to what's going on with Journey's popularity/lack thereof nowadays.........and with a great deal of consternation.

Actually, you took the words right out of my mouth. It's amazing what you accomplish with a 2.0 GPA, at best.

Er... contradiction?

Again, don't attribute your problems to me. If you would like to discuss something in a calm, objective manner, then I'm game. Your assessments are ridiculous and infantile, and not impressing anyone; so don't complain to me about your inability to counter effectively. You want to discuss something? Then let's discuss

You're willing to settle and say "everything's alright' when its not. Yeah, maybe SP was a shit for not coming back to Journey (and it takes ALOT for me to say that), but Neal didn't have to continue with a sound-a-like as if nothing had happened. It's insulting to Journey and its insulting to us.

Anything with AP in it cannot be considered a "tremendous package", unless you're talking about a load of bullshit.

Yeah... a real patron saint of objectivity you are, David.

Too bad they're not downloading it with AP singing it........intentionally.

I suppose the 'C' in your username must stand for Cosmicfuckup. Arnel's version isn't available on iTunes, jackass.

Andrew seems intelligent to me in my few encounters with him. Maybe he finds your posts as hilarious as I do. I'm still waiting for you to put two conherent words together without sounding like you're trying too hard.

Yeah, you really ought to consider dropping the whole facade of being some sort of English juggernaut.

You have proven that in your posts beyond a shadow of a doubt. [b]I believe almost everyone in here would agree with me.

No, what everyone would agree with is that you're a troll. A blatant, contradictory, paradoxical, stupid, arrogant, utter fuckup. Your opinions, however retarded and meritless, are welcome. The manner in which you have expressed them is not. You have no understanding of basic logic, you are a grammatical suicide bomber, and you're a lying, duplicitious, hypocritical ass.

This is but a fraction of the bullshit you've spewed in less than one hundred posts.

But I would like to take this time to thank you for reminding us why, in this day and age, the right of the mother to abort a fetus is so important. We shouldn't have to deal with assholes like you.

I think your very presence is an advertisement for the merits of being pro-life.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!! And yet another display of Gideons desperate grand-standing!!!!! . Wow, that was great, man. Have you ever thought of becoming a comedian? That was incredible!!! Thanks alot, I needed that!!

[DavidC]

Ease up, grasshopper. You've cyber raped him point by point for several days now. His asshole looks like he was butt fucked by Shrek on a crack binge.

I think I've said enough. Deacon can handle the rest.

Are you going to hand the laptop to him so he can use it from HIS side of the bed now?

Can I interest you in a warm glass of Fuck You? It's distributed by You Are A Complete Asshole Prick, Inc. and comes in Grape, Orange, and Kiss My Ass.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Somebody is bitter. LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!