Journey in Oslo, Norway

[Saint John]

Damn, you women are crazy. Arnel does not in any way mimick Perry on stage. Oh, and it was Arnel who sang One More, and I still haven't manage to find someone who has a video of it.

Thanks for the update. Keep trying please.

[annie89509]

I agree with Gunbot, connection to a singer is a personal thing. SP set the bar so high ...that each replacement singer who has come since ... singing the songs that made Journey famous ... is lacking something, somehow. Be it SA, JSS, or Arnel, same thing has been said -- hearing/watching the videos -- their mannerism, voice inflection, even how they moved their hands ... when singing certain songs, it does seem like they were emulating the great one.

I don't care who it is, no one should be attacked or belittled for voicing their opinions. I don't see anyone demeaning Arnel's nationality or talent. All those posters are gone, and they were not perryloons.

[Glenn]

You can say what you want.....yes I am a Steve Perry fan and that is not a hidden fact.

I am sorry if you feel that every time I post on a thread....it is a derailment..I will be more careful where I post, but I thought all opinions were welcomed....I guess not.

but I don't like Revelation and that is my own personal choice...I am glad you like it and that makes it great for you...I bought it, listened to it and don't care for it...and that is my view and not yours.

For me Journey is a band of the past that I listen to and have great memories from...I don't want that changed in my head and that is my choice.

So I guess we will agree to disagree and I will hope for more solo stuff from Perry and you go to a Journey concert and have a beer for me....for I will be listening to my newly remastered cd's by he who cannot be named for fear of a thread derailment!

this has nothing to do with your opinions...Nothing at all...We all have them and they are are welcome here.

"For me Journey is a band of the past that I listen to and have great memories from...I don't want that changed in my head and that is my choice."

T%hat's right, it is your choice...but not everyone else agrees with that.

Does it bother you that others don't share this same opinion?
Does it bother you that Journey has carried on, and that fans seem to have carried on with them?
Does it make you mad to see others enjoy this version of Journey?

I'm guessing the answer is yes to all 3.

That's your right, and yes, you have the right to say what you want.

But I have the same rights....And when I wanna come in and say that certain things get kinda old, I will.


I'm sorry for making it personal, and I'll just chill a bit more.

It just sometimes bothers me when someone comes in and poo poo's on other peoples good time.


Peace ?

[steveo777]

You can say what you want.....yes I am a Steve Perry fan and that is not a hidden fact.

I am sorry if you feel that every time I post on a thread....it is a derailment..I will be more careful where I post, but I thought all opinions were welcomed....I guess not.

but I don't like Revelation and that is my own personal choice...I am glad you like it and that makes it great for you...I bought it, listened to it and don't care for it...and that is my view and not yours.

For me Journey is a band of the past that I listen to and have great memories from...I don't want that changed in my head and that is my choice.

So I guess we will agree to disagree and I will hope for more solo stuff from Perry and you go to a Journey concert and have a beer for me....for I will be listening to my newly remastered cd's by he who cannot be named for fear of a thread derailment!

this has nothing to do with your opinions...Nothing at all...We all have them and they are are welcome here.

"For me Journey is a band of the past that I listen to and have great memories from...I don't want that changed in my head and that is my choice."

T%hat's right, it is your choice...but not everyone else agrees with that.

Does it bother you that others don't share this same opinion?
Does it bother you that Journey has carried on, and that fans seem to have carried on with them?
Does it make you mad to see others enjoy this version of Journey?

I'm guessing the answer is yes to all 3.

That's your right, and yes, you have the right to say what you want.

But I have the same rights....And when I wanna come in and say that certain things get kinda old, I will.


I'm sorry for making it personal, and I'll just chill a bit more.

It just sometimes bothers me when someone comes in and poo poo's on other peoples good time.


Peace ?

It's sad that because some people are so biased, but more so, tied to the past, they will never be able to enjoy what we have going now....a beautiful thing, IMO. This is difficult for me to understand because I have found the good in all Journey's lineups, almost from the beginning of the band. I became a fan somewhere in 1980 right after my son was born.

I think we have two camps, is what's really going on......the Perry camp and the Journey camp. But there have been all the camps since Perry too. There are people who have all thought SA, JSS and AP are or were Journey, forgetting that Journey is made up of all the individual parts. I've enjoyed everything about Journey for many years, with the minor exception of JSS, and it's not that I don't like JSS, just that I didn't feel he was cut out for that particular act.

Hehe. I was able to post that without really dogging on any particular forum member.

[Glenn]

You can say what you want.....yes I am a Steve Perry fan and that is not a hidden fact.

I am sorry if you feel that every time I post on a thread....it is a derailment..I will be more careful where I post, but I thought all opinions were welcomed....I guess not.

but I don't like Revelation and that is my own personal choice...I am glad you like it and that makes it great for you...I bought it, listened to it and don't care for it...and that is my view and not yours.

For me Journey is a band of the past that I listen to and have great memories from...I don't want that changed in my head and that is my choice.

So I guess we will agree to disagree and I will hope for more solo stuff from Perry and you go to a Journey concert and have a beer for me....for I will be listening to my newly remastered cd's by he who cannot be named for fear of a thread derailment!

this has nothing to do with your opinions...Nothing at all...We all have them and they are are welcome here.

"For me Journey is a band of the past that I listen to and have great memories from...I don't want that changed in my head and that is my choice."

T%hat's right, it is your choice...but not everyone else agrees with that.

Does it bother you that others don't share this same opinion?
Does it bother you that Journey has carried on, and that fans seem to have carried on with them?
Does it make you mad to see others enjoy this version of Journey?

I'm guessing the answer is yes to all 3.

That's your right, and yes, you have the right to say what you want.

But I have the same rights....And when I wanna come in and say that certain things get kinda old, I will.


I'm sorry for making it personal, and I'll just chill a bit more.

It just sometimes bothers me when someone comes in and poo poo's on other peoples good time.


Peace ?

It's sad that because some people are so biased, but more so, tied to the past, they will never be able to enjoy what we have going now....a beautiful thing, IMO. This is difficult for me to understand because I have found the good in all Journey's lineups, almost from the beginning of the band. I became a fan somewhere in 1980 right after my son was born.

I think we have two camps, is what's really going on......the Perry camp and the Journey camp. But there have been all the camps since Perry too. There are people who have all thought SA, JSS and AP are or were Journey, forgetting that Journey is made up of all the individual parts. I've enjoyed everything about Journey for many years, with the minor exception of JSS, and it's not that I don't like JSS, just that I didn't feel he was cut out for that particular act.

Hehe. I was able to post that without really dogging on any particular forum member.

Agreed on all points.

If someone doesn't care for what's going on now, cool.....I just think the folks that do enjoy it should be able to do so without having to hear any whining.


I love what Perry did, but I also loved hearing for the first time "Remember Me" by Augeri back in 98.

I even have some friends that rediscovered Journey because of Augeri.

I happened to love what JSS brought to those songs too...Different? Yup, but I still really liked it.

Example : I HATE I'll Be Alright Without You.....But when I heard JSS's take on it in Orlando of 06, I really liked how it sounded.

[donnaplease]

Why do we have to always fight about it, though? I'm not a fan of this incarnation, that's not a secret. I have many reasons for feeling this way (no pun intended). However, I am still a fan of the Journey that I grew up on. That will never change, no matter who is out front singing.

What I don't understand is why everything here has to be a debate, whereby someone has to prove their point, or it's stupid or less valid as an opinion. I don't come here claiming to know everything there is to know either about Journey, or about music in general. I just like to share my thoughts and opinions about the band, music or whatever topic that is being discussed. It takes the fun out of it when you have your comments broken down line by line, and criticized like you're a total moron.

As for derailing an Arnel thread by the loons, that goes both ways. I can't say how many SP threads have been chock full of either Arnel praise or trashing of Perry by current lineup fans. It seems to me that both sides should be able to express their opinions without getting nasty. IDK. Maybe that's too much to ask. This is MR after all...

[Gideon]

Why do we have to always fight about it, though? I'm not a fan of this incarnation, that's not a secret. I have many reasons for feeling this way (no pun intended). However, I am still a fan of the Journey that I grew up on. That will never change, no matter who is out front singing.

What I don't understand is why everything here has to be a debate, whereby someone has to prove their point, or it's stupid or less valid as an opinion. I don't come here claiming to know everything there is to know either about Journey, or about music in general. I just like to share my thoughts and opinions about the band, music or whatever topic that is being discussed. It takes the fun out of it when you have your comments broken down line by line, and criticized like you're a total moron.

As for derailing an Arnel thread by the loons, that goes both ways. I can't say how many SP threads have been chock full of either Arnel praise or trashing of Perry by current lineup fans. It seems to me that both sides should be able to express their opinions without getting nasty. IDK. Maybe that's too much to ask. This is MR after all...

I respectfully disagree.

In fact, I think this sort of mentality is proposterous. Why have an opinion you can't defend? Are we so tolerant that people can think or say whatever the hell they want without consequence? For example, what you're saying is tantamount to legitimizing racism, bigotry, prejudice. Afterall, a racist opinion is still an opinion, so why should people be required to defend it?

It is my stance that logic should be held to be an important aspect of one's life. People who have an opinion should be required to defend it or at the very least articulate it.

"lul perry sux!" and "lul arnel sux!" and "lul jernee sux!" and "lul obama sux!" and whatever doesn't work anymore. You're entitled to your opinion... but you should be obligated to provide reasons why you think the way that you do.

I'll give Gunbot credit. I think he tends to slant things, but by his own admission he's a Perry fanboy and he at least bothers to discuss this shit. And even Madsplash bothers to explain why he thinks Perry is as uber as he is.

Kudos to you both.

[donnaplease]

Why do we have to always fight about it, though? I'm not a fan of this incarnation, that's not a secret. I have many reasons for feeling this way (no pun intended). However, I am still a fan of the Journey that I grew up on. That will never change, no matter who is out front singing.

What I don't understand is why everything here has to be a debate, whereby someone has to prove their point, or it's stupid or less valid as an opinion. I don't come here claiming to know everything there is to know either about Journey, or about music in general. I just like to share my thoughts and opinions about the band, music or whatever topic that is being discussed. It takes the fun out of it when you have your comments broken down line by line, and criticized like you're a total moron.

As for derailing an Arnel thread by the loons, that goes both ways. I can't say how many SP threads have been chock full of either Arnel praise or trashing of Perry by current lineup fans. It seems to me that both sides should be able to express their opinions without getting nasty. IDK. Maybe that's too much to ask. This is MR after all...

I respectfully disagree.

In fact, I think this sort of mentality is proposterous. Why have an opinion you can't defend? Are we so tolerant that people can think or say whatever the hell they want without consequence? For example, what you're saying is tantamount to legitimizing racism, bigotry, prejudice. Afterall, a racist opinion is still an opinion, so why should people be required to defend it?

It is my stance that logic should be held to be an important aspect of one's life. People who have an opinion should be required to defend it or at the very least articulate it.

"lul perry sux!" and "lul arnel sux!" and "lul jernee sux!" and "lul obama sux!" and whatever doesn't work anymore. You're entitled to your opinion... but you should be obligated to provide reasons why you think the way that you do.

I'll give Gunbot credit. I think he tends to slant things, but by his own admission he's a Perry fanboy and he at least bothers to discuss this shit. And even Madsplash bothers to explain why he thinks Perry is as uber as he is.

Kudos to you both.

You just proved my point, Gideon. I don't have to justify anything to you, just because you tell me I must. I can like or dislike whomever I choose, and I'm entitled to say it as much or as little as I want. You have the option of discounting me if you want, but that doesn't give you the right to insult me because you disagree. Your stance is your stance, and you're entitled to it, until you begin assaulting others for not sharing in your love of debate. I'm not required to do anything here, except follow the guidelines Andrew has set forth.

An opinion is an individual thought based on intelligence, experience, or I guess any number of factors. If I state something as fact, then of course I am obligated to substantiate it if someone refutes it. Furthermore, I couldn't disagree more with your statement about my comment legitimizing racism, etc. It did no such thing. It does, however, I suppose, legitimize a person's right to have any such opinion that they choose. Here in America, we are allowed the freedom of speech to state any opinion we want, as long as it's stated as an opinion. If I said "blue is my favorite color" why do I have to justify that to you? If I said "I hate black people" (WHICH I DON'T, I'M JUST MAKING A POINT), I could be asked to give a reason why, but I'm not required to. Is that racist? Perhaps. Do I have the right to say it anyway? Yes, I do. Is someone gonna call me out for it because it's morally wrong or politically un-correct? Probably, and they would be within their right to give their opinion stating how they feel about me saying it.

I happen to believe that sometimes you can't give a reason why you feel a certain way about a specific topic. 'It is what it is' kinda sums it up. If I said "To me, Steve Perry is the best Journey performer because I like the way he moves me when he sings" then that's all I need to say. I don't have to use facts and figures to quantify it. It is what it is. I hope that makes sense. It's funny, I'm debating the idea of not having to debate an idea... Ugh!

p.s. Thanks for 'respectfully' disagreeing, Gideon.

p.s.s. It's "preposterous", not "proposterous". Sorry, just couldn't resist. I read all the grammar police stuff from the other night, and it cracked me up, because you usually don't make that kind of mistake.

[Carla777]

a song for all you guys.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzq06pwOKfk

[Gideon]

Then I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. No one said that people can't have whatever opinion they want. But they should be prepared to defend it.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion. That doesn't make it viable, probable, likely, valid, or worth anything.

I'll meet you in the middle: people can ramble on about their own opinions without offering a shred of reason. In return, I get to unleash the bitching of a millennium on them.

Edit: And it's "incorrect" not "un-correct."

Edit:

If I said "To me, Steve Perry is the best Journey performer because I like the way he moves me when he sings" then that's all I need to say. I don't have to use facts and figures to quantify it. It is what it is. I hope that makes sense.

By the way, I didn't disagree with this. To me, saying "I like the way he moves me when he sings" is a reason. No one said you had to provide statistics for a subjective opinion.

[donnaplease]

Then I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. No one said that people can't have whatever opinion they want. But they should be prepared to defend it.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion. That doesn't make it viable, probable, likely, valid, or worth anything.

I'll meet you in the middle: people can ramble on about their own opinions without offering a shred of reason. In return, I get to unleash the bitching of a millennium on them.

Edit: And it's "incorrect" not "un-correct."

That's where you're wrong, Kimosabe (dunno if I spelled that right, and I'm too lazy to look it up). You can't bitch someone out for an opinion, otherwise you look like the asshole, and the person with the opinion, no matter how lame, gets off scot-free. I know you've been around long enough to figure that one out. I could give you an example, but I don't wanna start anything tonight. (not talking about you)

So yeah, let agree to disagree on this one, cause neither one of us is gonna concede the point. My opinion is 'all of the above' (that you mentioned in your post) to me, otherwise it wouldn't be my opinion. Get it?

As to your edit... sorry, that's hilarious. I can't believe I did that. (Actually, after the evening I've had, I really can...) Have a great night. Gotta work in the AM. Peace out.

[Gideon]

That's where you're wrong, Kimosabe (dunno if I spelled that right, and I'm too lazy to look it up). You can't bitch someone out for an opinion, otherwise you look like the asshole, and the person with the opinion, no matter how lame, gets off scot-free. I know you've been around long enough to figure that one out. I could give you an example, but I don't wanna start anything tonight. (not talking about you)

Wrong? That's just your opinion.

[SherriBerry]

I am so happy to hear he finds Steve Perry's voice to be very distincitve.......and he loves the quality....wow that is such news to me

Do you... have a problem?

She's still pissed that Journey replaced a few singers and chose to go on, apparently. Also it's very clear that for whatever reason, she has more than just a passing dislike for AP.

I have NEVER said that I don't like AP as a person.....I just don't like the music that they have put out with him....and that is my opinion...I do like the songs that Deen has taken on he sounds really great IMO....I know you don't feel the same and that is fine with me.....just don't cram your opinion down my throat.

Want to know what's gets real old? Is when you and Madsplash constantly display your Perry opinions in threads that have nothing to do with Perry...


Let me spell it out to you....If someone wants to sing the praises of Augeri w/ Journey, JSS w/ Journey, or Arnel w/Journey, we really don't need to be reminded on how great Perry was.


Perry is GONE....Fucking get over it.

Start all the Perry threads you want...This forum celebrates past, present, and future Journey.....

But for the love of GOD, can you stop trying to derail a thread that praises Post-Perry Journey.

And as far as your quote "I just don't like the music that they have put out with him" , I call bullshit ..... If it was Perry, back in Journey, singing the very same songs, arranged the same way, with the same lyrics, you'd be praising it like it was the greatest comeback in musical history.

I don't agree with you....but hey it sounds like your the one with the agression problem not me.....

What do you not agree with ?

Are you saying that it's ok to come in and derail threads that have nothing to do with Steve Perry?

Are you saying it's ok to state your opinion over and over and over again in NON Perry threads ?

Tell me professor, what do you not agree with?

Listen I am not the only one nor is Madsplash that has derailed a thread with a comment regarding Steve Perry....and there are plenty of people who restate their opinions over and over again...in Perry and Non Perry threads....so that is the first two things I do not agree with.


Lastly....just and FYI I did like alot for what Journey did with SA....so if I was truly a bitter bitch that needs to get laid (your words not mine) would I say that here?

WTF - I thought this was a board that people discussed their opinions on....so if I am to follow your instructions I should only post my opinions in a thread that has Steve Perry in the title?!

Just want to make sure I understand as I did not get the formal handbook on posting on MR....and I guess you have decided that you are the self appointed thread police.

nope...just someone that sometimes gets pissed off when cult-like Perry fans come in constantly and throw their Perry flag every single fucking time people have good things to say about Arnel. Or the kind of Perry fan that tells someone that their high for liking Revelation.


As I said, you and madsplash are entertaining...

We could have a drinking game....Everytime Portland and Madsplash "do their stuff" we have to take a drink...Could be fun...who knows ?!


And one more thing...I didn't realize you were a woman....my bad on the "needs to get laid" comment. I apologize for that.

I don't recall you jumping in when positive threads about Arnel or Neal were derailed by anti-Perry posters taking shots at the guy when he wasn't relevant to those discussions either. What is ridiculous is that the posters who don't like SP miss the fact that by bringing him into the discussion to criticise him, they effectively take the focus off the individual they support and place it back on SP.

It works both ways and I agree that it isn't necessary to bring SP into every discussion, but Portland and Madsplash are hardly the only posters guilty of doing so - it's simply that if they do, it's to praise SP and not attack his character. If you find such derailments so annoying, at least be fair and call out offenders from both sides.

[portland]

You can say what you want.....yes I am a Steve Perry fan and that is not a hidden fact.

I am sorry if you feel that every time I post on a thread....it is a derailment..I will be more careful where I post, but I thought all opinions were welcomed....I guess not.

but I don't like Revelation and that is my own personal choice...I am glad you like it and that makes it great for you...I bought it, listened to it and don't care for it...and that is my view and not yours.

For me Journey is a band of the past that I listen to and have great memories from...I don't want that changed in my head and that is my choice.

So I guess we will agree to disagree and I will hope for more solo stuff from Perry and you go to a Journey concert and have a beer for me....for I will be listening to my newly remastered cd's by he who cannot be named for fear of a thread derailment!

this has nothing to do with your opinions...Nothing at all...We all have them and they are are welcome here.

"For me Journey is a band of the past that I listen to and have great memories from...I don't want that changed in my head and that is my choice."

T%hat's right, it is your choice...but not everyone else agrees with that.

Does it bother you that others don't share this same opinion?
Does it bother you that Journey has carried on, and that fans seem to have carried on with them?
Does it make you mad to see others enjoy this version of Journey?

I'm guessing the answer is yes to all 3.

That's your right, and yes, you have the right to say what you want.

But I have the same rights....And when I wanna come in and say that certain things get kinda old, I will.


I'm sorry for making it personal, and I'll just chill a bit more.

It just sometimes bothers me when someone comes in and poo poo's on other peoples good time.


Peace ?

Peace


I think there are two sides to this fence and some who would prefer to walk on it......


Believe me (I thought about it on my way to work today while listening to TBF) I wish that I liked AP as much as SP it would be eaiser for me.....I could go to a Journey show and enjoy it!!!

but like I said for me it's what I assoicate with the classic songs is Steve Perry....and that is for me what I choose to listen to.

and like I have stated I personally don't care for Revelation....I did buy it and I just don't care for it.....I will buy the next one to see if it changes my mind.

I am not so much the Perry Loon that I will not give the new singers a chance...I have...for me SA is my second choice...I like Arrival and will listen to it beginning to end.

So as for the whole thread derailment thing....as some have stated here I am not the only one who has brought Perry into a AP thread and I will not be the last. I hope you understand that I am happy that you are enjoying the latest version of the band and it seems to me you are one of the people who walk on the fence when it comes to Journey. So I think that you are someone that understands that Perry was a big part of why there is a band to be in now...I think sometimes the reason that he is brought into threads that are about AP is that fans like me don't want people to forget the part he played in the success of the band and don't like the way it was handeled when he left....


So yes I want peace...I don't want to argue the point....and I don't want to debate it either....it is what it is...a difference of taste in music and that's okay....it's what makes the world go around - if we were all the same it would be boring!



and to answer your three questions


no
yes sometimes
no - I am truly happy that you can enjoy it!

So I guess you can view me how you see fit....Loon, Spoon, or just a Steve Perry fan


PEACE

[SherriBerry]

You can say what you want.....yes I am a Steve Perry fan and that is not a hidden fact.

I am sorry if you feel that every time I post on a thread....it is a derailment..I will be more careful where I post, but I thought all opinions were welcomed....I guess not.

but I don't like Revelation and that is my own personal choice...I am glad you like it and that makes it great for you...I bought it, listened to it and don't care for it...and that is my view and not yours.

For me Journey is a band of the past that I listen to and have great memories from...I don't want that changed in my head and that is my choice.

So I guess we will agree to disagree and I will hope for more solo stuff from Perry and you go to a Journey concert and have a beer for me....for I will be listening to my newly remastered cd's by he who cannot be named for fear of a thread derailment!

this has nothing to do with your opinions...Nothing at all...We all have them and they are are welcome here.

"For me Journey is a band of the past that I listen to and have great memories from...I don't want that changed in my head and that is my choice."

T%hat's right, it is your choice...but not everyone else agrees with that.

Does it bother you that others don't share this same opinion?
Does it bother you that Journey has carried on, and that fans seem to have carried on with them?
Does it make you mad to see others enjoy this version of Journey?

I'm guessing the answer is yes to all 3.

That's your right, and yes, you have the right to say what you want.

But I have the same rights....And when I wanna come in and say that certain things get kinda old, I will.


I'm sorry for making it personal, and I'll just chill a bit more.

It just sometimes bothers me when someone comes in and poo poo's on other peoples good time.


Peace ?

Peace


I think there are two sides to this fence and some who would prefer to walk on it......


Believe me (I thought about it on my way to work today while listening to TBF) I wish that I liked AP as much as SP it would be eaiser for me.....I could go to a Journey show and enjoy it!!!

but like I said for me it's what I assoicate with the classic songs is Steve Perry....and that is for me what I choose to listen to.

and like I have stated I personally don't care for Revelation....I did buy it and I just don't care for it.....I will buy the next one to see if it changes my mind.

I am not so much the Perry Loon that I will not give the new singers a chance...I have...for me SA is my second choice...I like Arrival and will listen to it beginning to end.

So as for the whole thread derailment thing....as some have stated here I am not the only one who has brought Perry into a AP thread and I will not be the last. I hope you understand that I am happy that you are enjoying the latest version of the band and it seems to me you are one of the people who walk on the fence when it comes to Journey. So I think that you are someone that understands that Perry was a big part of why there is a band to be in now...I think sometimes the reason that he is brought into threads that are about AP is that fans like me don't want people to forget the part he played in the success of the band and don't like the way it was handeled when he left....


So yes I want peace...I don't want to argue the point....and I don't want to debate it either....it is what it is...a difference of taste in music and that's okay....it's what makes the world go around - if we were all the same it would be boring!



and to answer your three questions


no
yes sometimes
no - I am truly happy that you can enjoy it!

So I guess you can view me how you see fit....Loon, Spoon, or just a Steve Perry fan


PEACE

Great post - I like your honesty and sincerity. We're in the same boat, because while I am happy for Journey and wish Arnel all the success in the world, I also prefer to hear the classics I grew up with sung by Steve Perry. It is silly when others seem to react to such statements as if they are a slight against Arnel, for they are not. How an individual reacts to a particular singer or piece of music is simply personal and unique and preferring to hear SP does not reflect negatively on Arnel. He is doing a great job and I think Neal made a very smart move in choosing him.

I'm looking forward to Journey's next release and hoping that the great energy from their latest tour will translate into a rocking CD - but if I want to hear the classics, I'll be listening to the originals. And if anyone has a problem with that, it's not their problem, so they can get over it!

[Jana]

You can say what you want.....yes I am a Steve Perry fan and that is not a hidden fact.

I am sorry if you feel that every time I post on a thread....it is a derailment..I will be more careful where I post, but I thought all opinions were welcomed....I guess not.

but I don't like Revelation and that is my own personal choice...I am glad you like it and that makes it great for you...I bought it, listened to it and don't care for it...and that is my view and not yours.

For me Journey is a band of the past that I listen to and have great memories from...I don't want that changed in my head and that is my choice.

So I guess we will agree to disagree and I will hope for more solo stuff from Perry and you go to a Journey concert and have a beer for me....for I will be listening to my newly remastered cd's by he who cannot be named for fear of a thread derailment!

this has nothing to do with your opinions...Nothing at all...We all have them and they are are welcome here.

"For me Journey is a band of the past that I listen to and have great memories from...I don't want that changed in my head and that is my choice."

T%hat's right, it is your choice...but not everyone else agrees with that.

Does it bother you that others don't share this same opinion?
Does it bother you that Journey has carried on, and that fans seem to have carried on with them?
Does it make you mad to see others enjoy this version of Journey?

I'm guessing the answer is yes to all 3.

That's your right, and yes, you have the right to say what you want.

But I have the same rights....And when I wanna come in and say that certain things get kinda old, I will.


I'm sorry for making it personal, and I'll just chill a bit more.

It just sometimes bothers me when someone comes in and poo poo's on other peoples good time.


Peace ?

Peace


I think there are two sides to this fence and some who would prefer to walk on it......


Believe me (I thought about it on my way to work today while listening to TBF) I wish that I liked AP as much as SP it would be eaiser for me.....I could go to a Journey show and enjoy it!!!

but like I said for me it's what I assoicate with the classic songs is Steve Perry....and that is for me what I choose to listen to.

and like I have stated I personally don't care for Revelation....I did buy it and I just don't care for it.....I will buy the next one to see if it changes my mind.

I am not so much the Perry Loon that I will not give the new singers a chance...I have...for me SA is my second choice...I like Arrival and will listen to it beginning to end.

So as for the whole thread derailment thing....as some have stated here I am not the only one who has brought Perry into a AP thread and I will not be the last. I hope you understand that I am happy that you are enjoying the latest version of the band and it seems to me you are one of the people who walk on the fence when it comes to Journey. So I think that you are someone that understands that Perry was a big part of why there is a band to be in now...I think sometimes the reason that he is brought into threads that are about AP is that fans like me don't want people to forget the part he played in the success of the band and don't like the way it was handeled when he left....


So yes I want peace...I don't want to argue the point....and I don't want to debate it either....it is what it is...a difference of taste in music and that's okay....it's what makes the world go around - if we were all the same it would be boring!



and to answer your three questions


no
yes sometimes
no - I am truly happy that you can enjoy it!

So I guess you can view me how you see fit....Loon, Spoon, or just a Steve Perry fan


PEACE

I think you're ignoring the part that started this off. That was when someone mentioned how much Arnel likes Steve Perry's voice and you responded with rolling your eyes and a remark. Totally uncalled for and catty.

There's plenty of people on here who like Classic Journey only. No one has any problem with that and we've all existed fine together. But everytime a Journey thread is started nowadays of new concerts and we're enjoying it it seems some Loons have to come in to mention Perry is better without fail. We know that. We all love Perry's voice on here. It's like they can't let us enjoy current Journey with Arnel for a moment in that thread. I'm not talking about all Loons and I"m not speaking of all threads b/c many places it's discussed.

[portland]

Jana - I think I have seen when your Neal cheering in a SP thread has been a bit much....so forgive me for my part in rolling of the eyes....If I offended than point taken....

[Gideon]

Jana - I think I have seen when your Neal cheering in a SP thread has been a bit much....so forgive me for my part in rolling of the eyes....If I offended than point taken....

"Neal cheering"?

It's no more obnoxious than people constantly fellating Perry's gifts as a singer. In both situations, the praise is deserved. Perry isn't the only talented member of Journey, you know.

In fact, in terms of longevity, he was the weakest.

[Jubilee]

"Neal cheering"?

It's no more obnoxious than people constantly fellating Perry's gifts as a singer. In both situations, the praise is deserved. Perry isn't the only talented member of Journey, you know.

In fact, in terms of longevity, he was the weakest.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...can't help yourself from stirring the poo around here, can you?

Granted, in terms of longevity Perry may be the weakest, however, in terms of overall impact he's right up there.

[portland]

Jana - I think I have seen when your Neal cheering in a SP thread has been a bit much....so forgive me for my part in rolling of the eyes....If I offended than point taken....

"Neal cheering"?

It's no more obnoxious than people constantly fellating Perry's gifts as a singer. In both situations, the praise is deserved. Perry isn't the only talented member of Journey, you know.

In fact, in terms of longevity, he was the weakest.

Oh for the love of god....I give....okay....I will not post again in a AP Thread....I can't take the constant debating with you!!!!

YOU WIN - Feel better now!

[Gideon]

"Neal cheering"?

It's no more obnoxious than people constantly fellating Perry's gifts as a singer. In both situations, the praise is deserved. Perry isn't the only talented member of Journey, you know.

In fact, in terms of longevity, he was the weakest.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...can't help yourself from stirring the poo around here, can you?

Granted, in terms of longevity Perry may be the weakest, however, in terms of overall impact he's right up there.

Of course he's right up there. In fact, as far as critical acclaim is concerned, he was likely the most accomplished member as regards his instrument.

For about nine years, anyway.

[Gideon]

Jana - I think I have seen when your Neal cheering in a SP thread has been a bit much....so forgive me for my part in rolling of the eyes....If I offended than point taken....

"Neal cheering"?

It's no more obnoxious than people constantly fellating Perry's gifts as a singer. In both situations, the praise is deserved. Perry isn't the only talented member of Journey, you know.

In fact, in terms of longevity, he was the weakest.

Oh for the love of god....I give....okay....I will not post again in a AP Thread....I can't take the constant debating with you!!!!

YOU WIN - Feel better now!

I'm indifferent, actually.

It's nothing personal, Portland. But nothing I've seen from Jana suggests an illogical predisposition for Neal. We all have our preferences, yet can retain some measure of objectivity.

Jana doesn't seem to lose hers. In fact, I'd say she's much more gentle with the Loons, SPoons, and other denominations of the Perry cultists than I am.

[Michigan Girl]

Jana - I think I have seen when your Neal cheering in a SP thread has been a bit much....so forgive me for my part in rolling of the eyes....If I offended than point taken....

"Neal cheering"?

It's no more obnoxious than people constantly fellating Perry's gifts as a singer. In both situations, the praise is deserved. Perry isn't the only talented member of Journey, you know.

In fact, in terms of longevity, he was the weakest.

Oh for the love of god....I give....okay....I will not post again in a AP Thread....I can't take the constant debating with you!!!!

YOU WIN - Feel better now!

I'm indifferent, actually.

It's nothing personal, Portland. But nothing I've seen from Jana suggests an illogical predisposition for Neal. We all have our preferences, yet can retain some measure of objectivity.

Jana doesn't seem to lose hers. In fact, I'd say she's much more gentle with the Loons, SPoons, and other denominations of the Perry cultists than I am.

That goes without saying!!

[Chubby321]

BTW, still couldn't find "ONE MORE"

[PianoMan1986]

BTW, still couldn't find "ONE MORE"

Nice to know someone's still looking...