"journey" press conference this week in Sweden

[steveo777]

It's a shame but when the new tunes are played, people either sit or wonder off to piss or get a drink. People only want to hear the old stuff.

This speaking for everyone has become epidemic. Is Voyager contagious? Funnily enough, I see videos of the new songs all the time and, surprisingly, the stands do not suddenly become empty and there are people standing.

You're about as accurate as Ray Charles at a shooting range.

Good one, Giddy.

Some people wander off during new tunes. The vast majority stay. Just like with any band, no different. So they stay seated. They don't know the music yet. It doesn't mean they aren't enjoying a great singer with a great song.

Everyone has their favorite bladder emptying songs or go grab another beer songs. Mine is Faithfully, or one of Jon's piano segways.

Faithfully? WTH? That song is part of me I love it so much. Mine would be Stone In Love. Could care less about that song, except Neal on guitar.

Relax! The songs change for me. I tend to choose whichever song I've had enough of for awhile. I went to the bathroom at BGTY last time.

[Gideon]

It's a shame but when the new tunes are played, people either sit or wonder off to piss or get a drink. People only want to hear the old stuff.

This speaking for everyone has become epidemic. Is Voyager contagious? Funnily enough, I see videos of the new songs all the time and, surprisingly, the stands do not suddenly become empty and there are people standing.

You're about as accurate as Ray Charles at a shooting range.

I'm actually a marksman with the rifle, I've even been given pretty little ribbons because of my skill. You're from Kentucky, how's your aim out on the firing range?

I'm from Pennsylvania, actually. Please address the fact that you apparently got [the case] wrong. And you wonder why people jump your shit about an anti-Arnel agenda.

[Don]

It's a shame but when the new tunes are played, people either sit or wonder off to piss or get a drink. People only want to hear the old stuff.

This speaking for everyone has become epidemic. Is Voyager contagious? Funnily enough, I see videos of the new songs all the time and, surprisingly, the stands do not suddenly become empty and there are people standing.

You're about as accurate as Ray Charles at a shooting range.

I'm actually a marksman with the rifle, I've even been given pretty little ribbons because of my skill. You're from Kentucky, how's your aim out on the firing range?

I'm from Pennsylvania, actually. Please address the fact that you apparently got [the case] wrong. And you wonder why people jump your shit about an anti-Arnel agenda.

What part, that people sit down or go get something to eat or drink during the new songs. I think Jana verified that it does happen and I was witness to it myself last year. Of course not everyone does it. If I implyed that, then I am wrong obviously.
Schon, Perry and Cain are Journey at it's finest. I won't argue that. And yes it's a two way street. Without Journey, Perry is a one hit wonder who somehow has become associated with one song, DSB , more than anything in his career. No argument from me on that. Without Perry (and probably even with him), Journey is what they are, a great summer touring act, whether the singer be Augeri, Soto or Pineda, that gives many fans a nice trip down memory lane every year. All is just my opinion, of course.

[donnaplease]

It's a shame but when the new tunes are played, people either sit or wonder off to piss or get a drink. People only want to hear the old stuff.

This speaking for everyone has become epidemic. Is Voyager contagious? Funnily enough, I see videos of the new songs all the time and, surprisingly, the stands do not suddenly become empty and there are people standing.

You're about as accurate as Ray Charles at a shooting range.

I'm actually a marksman with the rifle, I've even been given pretty little ribbons because of my skill. You're from Kentucky, how's your aim out on the firing range?

I'm from Pennsylvania, actually. Please address the fact that you apparently got [the case] wrong. And you wonder why people jump your shit about an anti-Arnel agenda.

I thought I read you say you were from Kentucky as well.

[Saint John]

Without Perry (and probably even with him), Journey is what they are, a great summer touring act, whether the singer be Augeri, Soto or Pineda, that gives many fans a nice trip down memory lane every year. All is just my opinion, of course.

But I also think it's safe to (factually and speculatively) say that Arnel brought in a lot more new fans than Augeri did and Soto would have. Interest in seeing the band live is probably at about a 20 year high. Of course, with Perry, they'd have the maximum crowd and label support, but he refuses to sing live. Most likely because he can't at a level he sees fit.

[donnaplease]

It's a shame but when the new tunes are played, people either sit or wonder off to piss or get a drink. People only want to hear the old stuff.

This speaking for everyone has become epidemic. Is Voyager contagious? Funnily enough, I see videos of the new songs all the time and, surprisingly, the stands do not suddenly become empty and there are people standing.

You're about as accurate as Ray Charles at a shooting range.

I'm actually a marksman with the rifle, I've even been given pretty little ribbons because of my skill. You're from Kentucky, how's your aim out on the firing range?

I'm from Pennsylvania, actually. Please address the fact that you apparently got [the case] wrong. And you wonder why people jump your shit about an anti-Arnel agenda.

I thought I read you say you were from Kentucky as well.

OK, so I'm not crazy... I knew I read this:

No sir. We live in Kentucky, where logic and common sense are useless things in which "them damn yankees" indulge.

I need sleep.

[Don]

Without Perry (and probably even with him), Journey is what they are, a great summer touring act, whether the singer be Augeri, Soto or Pineda, that gives many fans a nice trip down memory lane every year. All is just my opinion, of course.

But I also think it's safe to (factually and speculatively) say that Arnel brought in a lot more new fans than Augeri did and Soto would have. Interest in seeing the band live is probably at about a 20 year high. Of course, with Perry, they'd have the maximum crowd and label support, but he refuses to sing live. Most likely because he can't at a level he sees fit.

I'm gonna say Arnel brings in a younger crowd. I think the plokker numbers aren't as big as the sound they make. The same with record sales. I don't agree with those that say Filipinos are buying up all the albums and and making up a big part of the concert scene. I think Arnel's voice being able to carry the notes, is also bringing old time fans back which is helping the crowd totals.

Perry might get them gigs at places like the Staples center, just on the classic line up angle but I can't imagine them playing venues that much bigger solely because of him.

[Saint John]

I'm gonna say Arnel brings in a younger crowd. I think the plokker numbers aren't as big as sound they make.

Pinoys probably made up 2-3 thousand on average and a few more at the really well attended shows.

[Don]

I'm gonna say Arnel brings in a younger crowd. I think the plokker numbers aren't as big as sound they make.

Pinoys probably made up 2-3 thousand on average and a few more at the really well attended shows.

At the Greek last year, which holds 5k, they're probably were between 500 to 750 people that weren't white. Yes, I was counting. I was in the terrace and being a numbers guy, I wanted to see how the make up of the crowd worked out. After hearing in some circles how Filipinos were the only reason that Journey was selling out shows, I wanted to try to get an idea on actual numbers. Using the 2 million number as a base (Filipinos living in the States)Three out of ten Filipinos probaby follow Journey because of Pineda, and one out of those three, only because of intense nationalistic pride is what I think.

If Journey was an R&B band, those numbers would fucking double.

[Saint John]

I'm gonna say Arnel brings in a younger crowd. I think the plokker numbers aren't as big as sound they make.

Pinoys probably made up 2-3 thousand on average and a few more at the really well attended shows.

At the Greek last year, which holds 5k, they're probaly weren't more than 500 people that weren't white. And there's tons in L.A., believe me.
Yes, I was counting. I was in the terrace and being a numbers guy, I wanted to see how the make up of the crowd worked out. After hearing in some circles how Filipinos were the only reason that Journey was selling out shows, I wanted to try to get an idea on actual numbers. Three out of ten Filipinos probaby follow Journey because of Pineda, and one out of those three, only because of intense nationalistic pride is what I think.

I trust your numbers, but that was a small venue. Chicago had 26,000 people, Dallas 20,000 and Cleveland 20,000. Of the 7,000 people in Las Vegas I'd have to say that close to 1,000 of them were Pinoy. That's where I remember it standing out the most.

[Don]

I'm gonna say Arnel brings in a younger crowd. I think the plokker numbers aren't as big as sound they make.

Pinoys probably made up 2-3 thousand on average and a few more at the really well attended shows.

At the Greek last year, which holds 5k, they're probaly weren't more than 500 people that weren't white. And there's tons in L.A., believe me.
Yes, I was counting. I was in the terrace and being a numbers guy, I wanted to see how the make up of the crowd worked out. After hearing in some circles how Filipinos were the only reason that Journey was selling out shows, I wanted to try to get an idea on actual numbers. Three out of ten Filipinos probaby follow Journey because of Pineda, and one out of those three, only because of intense nationalistic pride is what I think.

I trust your numbers, but that was a small venue. Chicago had 26,000 people, Dallas 20,000 and Cleveland 20,000. Of the 7,000 people in Las Vegas I'd have to say that close to 1,000 of them were Pinoy. That's where I remember it standing out the most.

I have forgotten the point I was trying to make. Probably some backhanded swipe at the plokkers. Every board needs a villain and since Deano is MIA, I am probably as close to the G-Rated version as you can get.

[Chubby321]

I'm gonna say Arnel brings in a younger crowd. I think the plokker numbers aren't as big as sound they make.

Pinoys probably made up 2-3 thousand on average and a few more at the really well attended shows.

We are very much aware of this. This is why we are very thankful for the American people for embracing Arnel as the frontman of Journey.

[Gideon]

It's a shame but when the new tunes are played, people either sit or wonder off to piss or get a drink. People only want to hear the old stuff.

This speaking for everyone has become epidemic. Is Voyager contagious? Funnily enough, I see videos of the new songs all the time and, surprisingly, the stands do not suddenly become empty and there are people standing.

You're about as accurate as Ray Charles at a shooting range.

I'm actually a marksman with the rifle, I've even been given pretty little ribbons because of my skill. You're from Kentucky, how's your aim out on the firing range?

I'm from Pennsylvania, actually. Please address the fact that you apparently got [the case] wrong. And you wonder why people jump your shit about an anti-Arnel agenda.

I thought I read you say you were from Kentucky as well.

No, no, you misunderstand: I was born in Pennsylvania. I live in Kentucky. There's a difference.

I do not consider myself part of the side that lost the Civil War.

[mdaemon]

Sigh..... I can't debate you; you're too deluded. There is a difference between being a sound alike and being able to sound like someone. Have you even listened to Revelation, man? Well, have you? WITTW does not sound like Steve Perry and proves that Arnel does have his own unique voice and has used it. What about Wildest Dream? No Perry sound alike there either. What about What I Needed? You're the one who can't fucking hear. You're the one who joined here with an agenda. Has it occurred anywhere in that thick skull of yours that the majority of the fans want to hear the dirty dozen in their original key? Arnel can do that, so fucking what? It makes people happy. That doesn't make him a copy cat, as you would have us all to believe. Arnel puts on a show on stage. His energy rouses the crowds. How can you be in denial of that success? I'd also like to see this epic failure they so supposedly, according to you, GARP, are experiencing.

I checked in Japan. Sorry I don't see it.
I checked in Manila. Nope..sorry, I still don't see it.
I checked in Hawaii and couldn't find this failure of yours there either.
Hmmm, Macau? Nope, fans were loving it there too.
Sacramento? Great turnout there.
Sweden was ecstatic, as was Norway.

Peace back to your trolling ass.

Of course you're going to say I'm deluded, sweetheart, because you don't have a leg to stand on, so you have to make character assessments. How original. And your semantics trying to sound SOMEWHAT intelligent and explain the difference between "being a sound-a-like and being able to sound like someone" makes no difference to anyone but yourself.

Yes, dickhead, I HAVE heard "Revelation" and its just more of the same old, same old shit from sound-a-like number 3. I guess the analogy of "trying to keep the same sound" would be all shot to hell if it didn't SOUND like AP was TRYING to be someone different, huh? But then, THAT goes without saying. I don't have to try and make you or anyone else believe ANYTHING, they're not stupid, they can hear, unlike you and your sad, irrelevant analysis.

When did I ever say that AP couldn't rouse a crowd? Never said anything like that. You're just running out of material, so you put words in my mouth, and then attack them. Again, very original.

Japan, Manila and Hawaii - same crowd - all transplants from the Phillipines. Macau - its probably the first time they heard of Journey, let alone have a concert - the whole country probably went: population - 400. Sacramento- Yeah, I hear Raley Field has a long list of washed up bands that play there regularly. I also hear you can see a good boat show there on a good weekend. High calibre arena, there.

My "trolling ass" will be right here waiting for your pitiful and ridiculous excuses/responses. Wake up, already.

So Pinoys are less of a Journey fan and that our numbers shouldn't be counted much more considered when talking about concert attendance? Are you the ultimate judge on who can be considered fans of this band? The followers of this band are so fragmented because of people like you. Others who came before you on this forum draw a dividing line that separates people based on their preferred vocalist. You are taking it a step farther by excluding fans based on where they came from.

[DavidC]

So Pinoys are less of a Journey fan and that our numbers shouldn't be counted much more considered when talking about concert attendance?

I do not think that Pinoys are lesser Journey fans than those fans who have been there with Journey since the beginning (the beginning of which I speak is when SP joined the band - the beginning of their commercial success). In fact, I was saying the opposite to what you are saying about the concert attendance. I was saying that the primary reason why these concerts were so well-attended was because the fan base is similar....speculation, of course.

Are you the ultimate judge on who can be considered fans of this band?

No, I don't believe that I am. In fact, I don't believe I ever said that.

The followers of this band are so fragmented because of people like you. Others who came before you on this forum draw a dividing line that separates people based on their preferred vocalist. You are taking it a step farther by excluding fans based on where they came from.

No, actually I wasn't.


I am of the persuasion that SP was the best vocalist for Journey (this is my OPINION). I also believe that Journey has not had success that equaled their association with SP or since. Ultimately, Neal would be the judge on whether that is true or not. I also believe that, generally, fan response will decide whether it is true or not. And so, I'm holding a "wait and see" attitude at this point. I am, however, biased in that I have only enjoyed Journey with SP as lead singer, and none other.....so the end result will not change my feelings about it.

I am also of the opinion that if Journey made an announcement that SP was coming back to tour with them, the response would ridiculous!!! (I love to dream about it!!) They could name their price: I would sell my house for those tickets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!

Peace.

[SherriBerry]

I'm not reading this entire thread over again, so is anyone else as disappointed as I am to hear that Neal didn't get to finish his solo CD before the tour started? I was really looking forward to it!!

[DavidC]

I'm not reading this entire thread over again, so is anyone else as disappointed as I am to hear that Neal didn't get to finish his solo CD before the tour started? I was really looking forward to it!!

I agree, Sherri...........it would be GREAT to hear a solo project from Neal right about now!

[lowdbrent]

:evil:

Steve0 & 78, you two naked savages behave yourselves. Can't you see we've got company?!? We don't want to frighten off another one. Besides, what's one more Loon? The more the merrier, right? Right?? Oh, never mind....

Yeah the welcome mat is out once 0again.....just make sure you agree with them.....that makes them happy!

Boy, are THEY in for a suprise. Anyway, nice to see you, portland. 500,000 = Gold. 1,000,000 = Platinum. Some people don't know how to do math!!

Those numbers are only good for the US. You can sell under half of the 500k and be considered Gold in foreign markets.

[DavidC]

:evil:

Steve0 & 78, you two naked savages behave yourselves. Can't you see we've got company?!? We don't want to frighten off another one. Besides, what's one more Loon? The more the merrier, right? Right?? Oh, never mind....

Yeah the welcome mat is out once 0again.....just make sure you agree with them.....that makes them happy!

Boy, are THEY in for a suprise. Anyway, nice to see you, portland. 500,000 = Gold. 1,000,000 = Platinum. Some people don't know how to do math!!

Those numbers are only good for the US. You can sell under half of the 500k and be considered Gold in foreign markets.

Thanks, lowdbrent. I wasn't aware of that.

[Don]

:evil:

Steve0 & 78, you two naked savages behave yourselves. Can't you see we've got company?!? We don't want to frighten off another one. Besides, what's one more Loon? The more the merrier, right? Right?? Oh, never mind....

Yeah the welcome mat is out once 0again.....just make sure you agree with them.....that makes them happy!

Boy, are THEY in for a suprise. Anyway, nice to see you, portland. 500,000 = Gold. 1,000,000 = Platinum. Some people don't know how to do math!!

Those numbers are only good for the US. You can sell under half of the 500k and be considered Gold in foreign markets.

http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/int ... levels.pdf

[DavidC]

:evil:

Steve0 & 78, you two naked savages behave yourselves. Can't you see we've got company?!? We don't want to frighten off another one. Besides, what's one more Loon? The more the merrier, right? Right?? Oh, never mind....

Yeah the welcome mat is out once 0again.....just make sure you agree with them.....that makes them happy!

Boy, are THEY in for a suprise. Anyway, nice to see you, portland. 500,000 = Gold. 1,000,000 = Platinum. Some people don't know how to do math!!

Those numbers are only good for the US. You can sell under half of the 500k and be considered Gold in foreign markets.

http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/int ... levels.pdf

Thanks for the link, Gunbot.

[strangegrey]

But I also think it's safe to (factually and speculatively) say that Arnel brought in a lot more new fans than Augeri did and Soto would have. Interest in seeing the band live is probably at about a 20 year high. Of course, with Perry, they'd have the maximum crowd and label support, but he refuses to sing live. Most likely because he can't at a level he sees fit.

Factually!?!?! You're talking out of your ass. Speculatively, well...anyone who talks speculatively is also talking out of their ass....


So really, you're just talking out of your ass.

Stop sucking off this guy's dick...really. He's not Jesus. You're going to have a hard time proving your statements under any circumstance.....

[Saint John]

But I also think it's safe to (factually and speculatively) say that Arnel brought in a lot more new fans than Augeri did and Soto would have. Interest in seeing the band live is probably at about a 20 year high. Of course, with Perry, they'd have the maximum crowd and label support, but he refuses to sing live. Most likely because he can't at a level he sees fit.

Factually!?!?! You're talking out of your ass. Speculatively, well...anyone who talks speculatively is also talking out of their ass....


So really, you're just talking out of your ass.

Stop sucking off this guy's dick...really. He's not Jesus. You're going to have a hard time proving your statements under any circumstance.....

I saw the Augeri-era Journey right around 30 times, Francis. I never, ever, remember seeing even 50-100 people that were there solely for him. You can ask me to prove that, and I'll defer to common sense. No need to prove it...it just is. Granted, the Pinoy faction there for Arnel stand out because they are Filipino, but I can say with a tremendous degree of certainty that there were 2-3 thousand Pinoys in Chicago (out of the 26,000 person crowd) and I never saw as many as 100 at any prior Chicago Journey show. Who were they there to see, Einstein? Look at the Asian contingent the guy brought to Hawaii. What was it...5 sold out shows? The promoter said the Stones, The Eagles and one other band are the only ones to ever do that.

And I'm not sucking anyone's dick, Francine. You can't handle the right in your face common sense facts so you stumble in here with your "prove it!!!" rants. Well, to anyone with an unbiased, undamaged cranium, it's quite easy to see that the guy has brought in a ton of fans that Augeri never did and Soto probably never would have. And I know that they're there because he's Filipino, but they still count. Lol...like Augeri ever brought as many as a few thousand fans to any show. Hell, at the Planet Hollywood show in Vegas I didn't know if I was in Vegas or Manila!!! Kudos to the Pinoys for supporting their own.

[strangegrey]

But I also think it's safe to (factually and speculatively) say that Arnel brought in a lot more new fans than Augeri did and Soto would have. Interest in seeing the band live is probably at about a 20 year high. Of course, with Perry, they'd have the maximum crowd and label support, but he refuses to sing live. Most likely because he can't at a level he sees fit.

Factually!?!?! You're talking out of your ass. Speculatively, well...anyone who talks speculatively is also talking out of their ass....


So really, you're just talking out of your ass.

Stop sucking off this guy's dick...really. He's not Jesus. You're going to have a hard time proving your statements under any circumstance.....

I saw the Augeri-era Journey right around 30 times, Francis. I never, ever, remember seeing even 50-100 people that were there solely for him. You can ask me to prove that, and I'll defer to common sense. No need to prove it...it just is. Granted, the Pinoy faction there for Arnel stand out because they are Filipino, but I can say with a tremendous degree of certainty that there were 2-3 thousand Pinoys in Chicago (out of the 26,000 person crowd) and I never saw as many as 100 at any prior Chicago Journey show. Who were they there to see, Einstein? Look at the Asian contingent the guy brought to Hawaii. What was it...5 sold out shows? The promoter said the Stones, The Eagles and one other band are the only ones to ever do that.

And I'm not sucking anyone's dick, Francine. You can't handle the right in your face common sense facts so you stumble in here with your "prove it!!!" rants. Well, to anyone with an unbiased, undamaged cranium, it's quite easy to see that the guy has brought in a ton of fans that Augeri never did and Soto probably never would have. And I know that they're there because he's Filipino, but they still count. Lol...like Augeri ever brought as many as a few thousand fans to any show. Hell, at the Planet Hollywood show in Vegas I didn't know if I was in Vegas or Manila!!! Kudos to the Pinoys for supporting their own.

Oh Jesus Christ, listen to yourself....

The Journey fanbase has been in a constant state of attrition for the past 20 years...face facts.
Arnel isn't the second coming. Hell, he ain't even the 4th coming...LOL.

Wow, sucking pinoy dick seems quite en vogue around here these days...If I ever meet him, I need to ask Arnie if you swallow...

[Saint John]

Oh Jesus Christ, listen to yourself....

The Journey fanbase has been in a constant state of attrition for the past 20 years...face facts.
Arnel isn't the second coming. Hell, he ain't even the 4th coming...LOL.

Wow, sucking pinoy dick seems quite en vogue around here these days...If I ever meet him, I need to ask Arnie if you swallow...

My statement was simply that Arnel has brought more fans than Augeri did and Soto would have. It's quite clear to anyone that has been at shows that he has. I don't care about attrition or second comings or sucking dick. That's your constant fascination, Fran.

[S2M]

Oh Jesus Christ, listen to yourself....

The Journey fanbase has been in a constant state of attrition for the past 20 years...face facts.
Arnel isn't the second coming. Hell, he ain't even the 4th coming...LOL.

Wow, sucking pinoy dick seems quite en vogue around here these days...If I ever meet him, I need to ask Arnie if you swallow...

My statement was simply that Arnel has brought more fans than Augeri did and Soto would have. It's quite clear to anyone that has been at shows that he has. I don't care about attrition or second comings or sucking dick. That's your constant fascination, Fran.

He has brought new fans because he is of a different ethnicity....case closed. Other than that he's brought nothing new.

Other than the die-hards, pinoys, and casual fans who'll see any band at their local musical watering hole - they've probably lost fans....

[youkeepmewaiting]

Whether people like AP more than JSS or SA or whatever, doesnt really matter.

AP has brought more attention to this band than the other two (and thats not a slant on them at all as I love them both), this is down to the way he joined the band, his voice and the support he has from his homeland.

[youkeepmewaiting]

Oh Jesus Christ, listen to yourself....

The Journey fanbase has been in a constant state of attrition for the past 20 years...face facts.
Arnel isn't the second coming. Hell, he ain't even the 4th coming...LOL.

Wow, sucking pinoy dick seems quite en vogue around here these days...If I ever meet him, I need to ask Arnie if you swallow...

My statement was simply that Arnel has brought more fans than Augeri did and Soto would have. It's quite clear to anyone that has been at shows that he has. I don't care about attrition or second comings or sucking dick. That's your constant fascination, Fran.

He has brought new fans because he is of a different ethnicity....case closed. Other than that he's brought nothing new.

Other than the die-hards, pinoys, and casual fans who'll see any band at their local musical watering hole - they've probably lost fans....

Would Journey be at download with JSS? I dont they would ( although JSS would rock there!). What Arnel has brought to the band is attention. Attention that they havnt had since 1996. I'm not saying that this attention has come just because of AP. It's there because of a nice mixture of things that all came around the same year, Sopranos, Family Guy etc etc.

[Saint John]

He has brought new fans because he is of a different ethnicity....case closed.

Look back...I said that, as far Pinoys go, that is true. But I'll tell you what...with Augeri I doubt they ever even hit 15,000 in Chicago and last year they had 26,000. They sold out back to back to back shows in Houston, Dallas and San Antonio. They sold out Cleveland. I saw people standing out there in Cleveland begging for tickets because I bought my sister one and paid out of the ass for it. It was a lawn ticket. The Blossum holds 20,000. I don't think they ever did that with Augeri. I know, Heart, the band playing in Naperville, Illinois this year at Ribfest again (yes, that's the name), is the reason.

[steveo777]

Oh Jesus Christ, listen to yourself....

The Journey fanbase has been in a constant state of attrition for the past 20 years...face facts.
Arnel isn't the second coming. Hell, he ain't even the 4th coming...LOL.

Wow, sucking pinoy dick seems quite en vogue around here these days...If I ever meet him, I need to ask Arnie if you swallow...

My statement was simply that Arnel has brought more fans than Augeri did and Soto would have. It's quite clear to anyone that has been at shows that he has. I don't care about attrition or second comings or sucking dick. That's your constant fascination, Fran.

He has brought new fans because he is of a different ethnicity....case closed. Other than that he's brought nothing new.

Other than the die-hards, pinoys, and casual fans who'll see any band at their local musical watering hole - they've probably lost fans....

Would Journey be at download with JSS? I dont they would ( although JSS would rock there!). What Arnel has brought to the band is attention. Attention that they havnt had since 1996. I'm not saying that this attention has come just because of AP. It's there because of a nice mixture of things that all came around the same year, Sopranos, Family Guy etc etc.

Arnel has brought some fans back. That's a fact. I have several people I know that stopped going to shows once Perry left. They were not into SA or JSS. They say they are back because Journey sounds like Journey again. These are not Pinoys. How could Journey be making a comeback? As much as we are tired of hearing these words, it's about the legacy sound and a singer who connects with the audiance.