Amsterdam set list

[Don]

I don't know if this is a derailment....but hell I think you brought it up.......


What would you like the people who prefer the Perry line up to post?

We are not to post in a AP thread
We are not to compare performances
All we do is bitch


We as of late you sound like the one who is bitching to me, someone went to a concert and does not hold the same opinion as you do....so it is assumed that he is dogging AP....just because you think the performances are killler does not mean that everyone does.

I don't understand why people can't get or accept the fact that some of us just don't like the new line up and that is okay!

and YES I hope Perry puts out some more solo stuff.....but that still will not change my opinion that I would rather listen to the dirty dozen with SP on lead vocals.

So okay....rake me over the coals again.....I am getting used to it!

It seems there is only room for one view of Journey these days and rest of us fans should shut up in your opinion!

I don't think the non-ap fans should shut up. But to constantly squeeze everything through the perry filter is just tiresome and creates the same resonse every time. Why keep doing it? There's room for all viewpoints, but if someone jumps up and says "I think this Journey concert with [insert favorite singer here] was awesome", why do people feel the need to yank that down to "well, yeah, but it's not as good as when...." Every post is getting like that.
I wasn't dogging this guy's review. I was dogging others "but it's not perry" posts. It's the same peeps who always post that same stuff no matter what the topic (you're one of them, sorry, but you are). I'm just thinking, God, leave the guy alone, he's working his ass off.

I didn't realize I raked you over the coals. Madspash, yeah, but you? I don't remember. In fact, what pressed this button was MS's reply to the original post. It's like "God, come on... everybody knows you're going to say that..."

And Gbot, I don't support the guy posting whatever at Ap's site. That's stupid too.

Okay I get that you think it gets old....and I have said that I am trying to refrain from coming into a AP thread and saying that SP is better......but do you understand that I don't like the new stuff.....and don't think that they should have re-recorded the songs that I liked the way they were...and that fuels my dislike of the new lineup?

I got raked over the coals by others and I was assuming you were going to be next....I really don't think that I compare to Madsplash as I don't come here saying I have inside information and I am the biggest fan of Steve Perry...and I have said that I actually like Arrival. I don't think I would say that if I was such a Perry Loon...as SA is the one who filled the spot after the TBF breakup.

I wish no ill will to AP and I think it is great that he seems to be doing well with the tour....but Maybe it's the part of me that thinks Neal shoud have waited...or maybe it's the offhanded comments he makes....it just does not bode well for me to say..oh well I love the new line up....lastly I really have issues with AP's delivery of the songs....it may be that my ears are just used to SP and when I put on the re-records it made me say no thanks....

I don't expect you to agree, but the other thing is if we all loved the new line up things would be a little boring around here...we would have nothing to discuss.

As I said before I will try to be more careful in my posting.....I do not want to disrespect AP....for I do not have a issue with him.

Did any Journey fan (pre AP) want the re-records? No. There is no point bringing this up anymore. No one wanted them.

I did! Seriously, I thought it would be interesting to hear. I was really disappointed in the production, but I don't think they were trying anyway. I didn't suddenly forget about Perry or anything! Who knew!!

The vocals aren't that bad, well with the exceptions of AWYWI and WITS, where at the end he sort of howls on end high notes.

The production was for shit though, and I think we can safely blame that on Mr. Friga.

[Don]

Gunbot,

Well I didn't get it and apparently brywool didn't either. We posted without no knowledge about the stuff from the other site. Before your first post on this thread, all the replies had their points. None disrespected rdekker.

I understand what you're saying, but my point is you should not assume anything. If you said something about the other site on your first post then I would have understood. Chubby posting links to the other site is not a reason to assume people read what people are saying there. And besides, the links I've seen from chubby are reviews and videos of the J shows, not really reacting to what is being said by other fans.

Point taken. It's been addressed.

[Since 78]

I don't know if this is a derailment....but hell I think you brought it up.......


What would you like the people who prefer the Perry line up to post?

We are not to post in a AP thread
We are not to compare performances
All we do is bitch


We as of late you sound like the one who is bitching to me, someone went to a concert and does not hold the same opinion as you do....so it is assumed that he is dogging AP....just because you think the performances are killler does not mean that everyone does.

I don't understand why people can't get or accept the fact that some of us just don't like the new line up and that is okay!

and YES I hope Perry puts out some more solo stuff.....but that still will not change my opinion that I would rather listen to the dirty dozen with SP on lead vocals.

So okay....rake me over the coals again.....I am getting used to it!

It seems there is only room for one view of Journey these days and rest of us fans should shut up in your opinion!

I don't think the non-ap fans should shut up. But to constantly squeeze everything through the perry filter is just tiresome and creates the same resonse every time. Why keep doing it? There's room for all viewpoints, but if someone jumps up and says "I think this Journey concert with [insert favorite singer here] was awesome", why do people feel the need to yank that down to "well, yeah, but it's not as good as when...." Every post is getting like that.
I wasn't dogging this guy's review. I was dogging others "but it's not perry" posts. It's the same peeps who always post that same stuff no matter what the topic (you're one of them, sorry, but you are). I'm just thinking, God, leave the guy alone, he's working his ass off.

I didn't realize I raked you over the coals. Madspash, yeah, but you? I don't remember. In fact, what pressed this button was MS's reply to the original post. It's like "God, come on... everybody knows you're going to say that..."

And Gbot, I don't support the guy posting whatever at Ap's site. That's stupid too.

Okay I get that you think it gets old....and I have said that I am trying to refrain from coming into a AP thread and saying that SP is better......but do you understand that I don't like the new stuff.....and don't think that they should have re-recorded the songs that I liked the way they were...and that fuels my dislike of the new lineup?

I got raked over the coals by others and I was assuming you were going to be next....I really don't think that I compare to Madsplash as I don't come here saying I have inside information and I am the biggest fan of Steve Perry...and I have said that I actually like Arrival. I don't think I would say that if I was such a Perry Loon...as SA is the one who filled the spot after the TBF breakup.

I wish no ill will to AP and I think it is great that he seems to be doing well with the tour....but Maybe it's the part of me that thinks Neal shoud have waited...or maybe it's the offhanded comments he makes....it just does not bode well for me to say..oh well I love the new line up....lastly I really have issues with AP's delivery of the songs....it may be that my ears are just used to SP and when I put on the re-records it made me say no thanks....

I don't expect you to agree, but the other thing is if we all loved the new line up things would be a little boring around here...we would have nothing to discuss.

As I said before I will try to be more careful in my posting.....I do not want to disrespect AP....for I do not have a issue with him.

Did any Journey fan (pre AP) want the re-records? No. There is no point bringing this up anymore. No one wanted them.

I did! Seriously, I thought it would be interesting to hear. I was really disappointed in the production, but I don't think they were trying anyway. I didn't suddenly forget about Perry or anything! Who knew!!

The vocals aren't that bad, well with the exceptions of AWYWI and WITS, where at the end he sort of howls on end high notes.

The production was for shit though, and I think we can safely blame that on Mr. Friga.

Yeah, I didn't care for WITS, but I actually liked AWYWI which is my least favorite song from the catalog, just seemed to have a little more energy than normal.

[brywool]

Okay I get that you think it gets old....and I have said that I am trying to refrain from coming into a AP thread and saying that SP is better......but do you understand that I don't like the new stuff.....and don't think that they should have re-recorded the songs that I liked the way they were...and that fuels my dislike of the new lineup?

The re-records have been debated ad nasium. I understand why they did it. It was business. I will say there are one or two that I like better than the original [Only the Young]. But it's pretty clear they were forced into that. I'm sure they ALL felt funky about it.

I do not follow each and every one of your responses, so I'm not sure how I'd know that you're trying to refrain from this that, or smoking.

I got raked over the coals by others and I was assuming you were going to be next....I really don't think that I compare to Madsplash as I don't come here saying I have inside information and I am the biggest fan of Steve Perry...and I have said that I actually like Arrival. I don't think I would say that if I was such a Perry Loon...as SA is the one who filled the spot after the TBF breakup.

I have NEVER used the word Loon (at least I don't think so). I try not to. Madsplash, who I actually admire his/her tenacity gets under my skin with his constant chewing upon the perry scrote, but I appreciate him/her.

I wish no ill will to AP and I think it is great that he seems to be doing well with the tour....but Maybe it's the part of me that thinks Neal shoud have waited...or maybe it's the offhanded comments he makes....it just does not bode well for me to say..oh well I love the new line up....lastly I really have issues with AP's delivery of the songs....it may be that my ears are just used to SP and when I put on the re-records it made me say no thanks....

Maybe you don't know, but Neal and the boys waited YEARS YEARS for HIM to come back or make up his mind on his 'surgery'. The fact of the matter is Perry's voice wasn't up to the tour and from the stories out there he had a VERY difficult time completing TBF. Probably his hips weren't up to it either. There was also something out there about how Perry told his band (basically) "I gotta go do this Journey album, and then we will pick up where we left off". Now, according to Madspash (I think) Perry's voice has recovered and we'd all better watch out because he's going to blow us away with his next utterance. God, I hope so. I'd love nothing more than to hear the Perry of old. Honestly. Doesn't mean I can't dig Revelation and Arnel's Journey. I'd like to have both vocalists out there.

I don't expect you to agree, but the other thing is if we all loved the new line up things would be a little boring around here...we would have nothing to discuss.

Yes, it would be dull, but at least it wouldn't be just the same thing all the time. I try to stay away from here, but I've met some people that I like talking to, so ...

As I said before I will try to be more careful in my posting.....I do not want to disrespect AP....for I do not have a issue with him.

Do what you gotta do.

As for Arnel's site, I was on an ap site a long time ago that was pretty cool. Rip was on there a lot, but I hadn't been there for ages. I just became a member of the Arnelrocks site (or whatever it is), but I've not read anything there yet. So I haven't seen what's being talked about. I know a lot of the Arnelians are saying he's better than Perry or whatever... I really don't make those comparisons (I don't think). Arnel, Perry, Augeri, and Jss all have their good points and each of them brought something to the party, some more than others.

[portland]

Okay I get that you think it gets old....and I have said that I am trying to refrain from coming into a AP thread and saying that SP is better......but do you understand that I don't like the new stuff.....and don't think that they should have re-recorded the songs that I liked the way they were...and that fuels my dislike of the new lineup?

The re-records have been debated ad nasium. I understand why they did it. It was business. I will say there are one or two that I like better than the original [Only the Young]. But it's pretty clear they were forced into that. I'm sure they ALL felt funky about it.

I do not follow each and every one of your responses, so I'm not sure how I'd know that you're trying to refrain from this that, or smoking.

I got raked over the coals by others and I was assuming you were going to be next....I really don't think that I compare to Madsplash as I don't come here saying I have inside information and I am the biggest fan of Steve Perry...and I have said that I actually like Arrival. I don't think I would say that if I was such a Perry Loon...as SA is the one who filled the spot after the TBF breakup.

I have NEVER used the word Loon (at least I don't think so). I try not to. Madsplash, who I actually admire his/her tenacity gets under my skin with his constant chewing upon the perry scrote, but I appreciate him/her.

I wish no ill will to AP and I think it is great that he seems to be doing well with the tour....but Maybe it's the part of me that thinks Neal shoud have waited...or maybe it's the offhanded comments he makes....it just does not bode well for me to say..oh well I love the new line up....lastly I really have issues with AP's delivery of the songs....it may be that my ears are just used to SP and when I put on the re-records it made me say no thanks....

Maybe you don't know, but Neal and the boys waited YEARS YEARS for HIM to come back or make up his mind on his 'surgery'. The fact of the matter is Perry's voice wasn't up to the tour and from the stories out there he had a VERY difficult time completing TBF. Probably his hips weren't up to it either. There was also something out there about how Perry told his band (basically) "I gotta go do this Journey album, and then we will pick up where we left off". Now, according to Madspash (I think) Perry's voice has recovered and we'd all better watch out because he's going to blow us away with his next utterance. God, I hope so. I'd love nothing more than to hear the Perry of old. Honestly. Doesn't mean I can't dig Revelation and Arnel's Journey. I'd like to have both vocalists out there.

I don't expect you to agree, but the other thing is if we all loved the new line up things would be a little boring around here...we would have nothing to discuss.

Yes, it would be dull, but at least it wouldn't be just the same thing all the time. I try to stay away from here, but I've met some people that I like talking to, so ...

As I said before I will try to be more careful in my posting.....I do not want to disrespect AP....for I do not have a issue with him.

Do what you gotta do.

I will and you do the same

[Rip Rokken]

As for Arnel's site, I was on an ap site a long time ago that was pretty cool. Rip was on there a lot, but I hadn't been there for ages. I just became a member of the Arnelrocks site (or whatever it is), but I've not read anything there yet. So I haven't seen what's being talked about. I know a lot of the Arnelians are saying he's better than Perry or whatever... I really don't make those comparisons (I don't think). Arnel, Perry, Augeri, and Jss all have their good points and each of them brought something to the party, some more than others.

Hey, Bry!

Glad you joined up and hope you visit sometime -- would love to have you. We're trying to maintain a positive vibe there, and discourage singer vs. singer debates. What is entertaining isn't always healthy, ya know.

[brywool]

As for Arnel's site, I was on an ap site a long time ago that was pretty cool. Rip was on there a lot, but I hadn't been there for ages. I just became a member of the Arnelrocks site (or whatever it is), but I've not read anything there yet. So I haven't seen what's being talked about. I know a lot of the Arnelians are saying he's better than Perry or whatever... I really don't make those comparisons (I don't think). Arnel, Perry, Augeri, and Jss all have their good points and each of them brought something to the party, some more than others.

Hey, Bry!

Glad you joined up and hope you visit sometime -- would love to have you. We're trying to maintain a positive vibe there, and discourage singer vs. singer debates. What is entertaining isn't always healthy, ya know.

COOL- ya sold me. Need a new place to hang that's a bit more 'happy'.
Rip, is that new site the same as the old with a facelift? Whoever did it, did a great job. Nice looking site.

[YoungJRNY]

Okay I get that you think it gets old....and I have said that I am trying to refrain from coming into a AP thread and saying that SP is better......but do you understand that I don't like the new stuff.....and don't think that they should have re-recorded the songs that I liked the way they were...and that fuels my dislike of the new lineup?

The re-records have been debated ad nasium. I understand why they did it. It was business. I will say there are one or two that I like better than the original [Only the Young]. But it's pretty clear they were forced into that. I'm sure they ALL felt funky about it.

I do not follow each and every one of your responses, so I'm not sure how I'd know that you're trying to refrain from this that, or smoking.

I got raked over the coals by others and I was assuming you were going to be next....I really don't think that I compare to Madsplash as I don't come here saying I have inside information and I am the biggest fan of Steve Perry...and I have said that I actually like Arrival. I don't think I would say that if I was such a Perry Loon...as SA is the one who filled the spot after the TBF breakup.

I have NEVER used the word Loon (at least I don't think so). I try not to. Madsplash, who I actually admire his/her tenacity gets under my skin with his constant chewing upon the perry scrote, but I appreciate him/her.

I wish no ill will to AP and I think it is great that he seems to be doing well with the tour....but Maybe it's the part of me that thinks Neal shoud have waited...or maybe it's the offhanded comments he makes....it just does not bode well for me to say..oh well I love the new line up....lastly I really have issues with AP's delivery of the songs....it may be that my ears are just used to SP and when I put on the re-records it made me say no thanks....

Maybe you don't know, but Neal and the boys waited YEARS YEARS for HIM to come back or make up his mind on his 'surgery'. The fact of the matter is Perry's voice wasn't up to the tour and from the stories out there he had a VERY difficult time completing TBF. Probably his hips weren't up to it either. There was also something out there about how Perry told his band (basically) "I gotta go do this Journey album, and then we will pick up where we left off". Now, according to Madspash (I think) Perry's voice has recovered and we'd all better watch out because he's going to blow us away with his next utterance. God, I hope so. I'd love nothing more than to hear the Perry of old. Honestly. Doesn't mean I can't dig Revelation and Arnel's Journey. I'd like to have both vocalists out there.

I don't expect you to agree, but the other thing is if we all loved the new line up things would be a little boring around here...we would have nothing to discuss.

Yes, it would be dull, but at least it wouldn't be just the same thing all the time. I try to stay away from here, but I've met some people that I like talking to, so ...

As I said before I will try to be more careful in my posting.....I do not want to disrespect AP....for I do not have a issue with him.

Do what you gotta do.

As for Arnel's site, I was on an ap site a long time ago that was pretty cool. Rip was on there a lot, but I hadn't been there for ages. I just became a member of the Arnelrocks site (or whatever it is), but I've not read anything there yet. So I haven't seen what's being talked about. I know a lot of the Arnelians are saying he's better than Perry or whatever... I really don't make those comparisons (I don't think). Arnel, Perry, Augeri, and Jss all have their good points and each of them brought something to the party, some more than others.

I don't think JSS should be lumped as a member of Journey. He never was, he was just a replacement for a tour. When people say JSS was a lead singer for Journey, I just don't feel a connection, esp since what happened. JSS seems cool though, love Believe in Me.

[brywool]

I don't think JSS should be lumped as a member of Journey. He never was, he was just a replacement for a tour. When people say JSS was a lead singer for Journey, I just don't feel a connection, esp since what happened. JSS seems cool though, love Believe in Me.

I have to agree with this 100%, but I know others do not.

[youkeepmewaiting]

Okay I get that you think it gets old....and I have said that I am trying to refrain from coming into a AP thread and saying that SP is better......but do you understand that I don't like the new stuff.....and don't think that they should have re-recorded the songs that I liked the way they were...and that fuels my dislike of the new lineup?

The re-records have been debated ad nasium. I understand why they did it. It was business. I will say there are one or two that I like better than the original [Only the Young]. But it's pretty clear they were forced into that. I'm sure they ALL felt funky about it.

I do not follow each and every one of your responses, so I'm not sure how I'd know that you're trying to refrain from this that, or smoking.

I got raked over the coals by others and I was assuming you were going to be next....I really don't think that I compare to Madsplash as I don't come here saying I have inside information and I am the biggest fan of Steve Perry...and I have said that I actually like Arrival. I don't think I would say that if I was such a Perry Loon...as SA is the one who filled the spot after the TBF breakup.

I have NEVER used the word Loon (at least I don't think so). I try not to. Madsplash, who I actually admire his/her tenacity gets under my skin with his constant chewing upon the perry scrote, but I appreciate him/her.

I wish no ill will to AP and I think it is great that he seems to be doing well with the tour....but Maybe it's the part of me that thinks Neal shoud have waited...or maybe it's the offhanded comments he makes....it just does not bode well for me to say..oh well I love the new line up....lastly I really have issues with AP's delivery of the songs....it may be that my ears are just used to SP and when I put on the re-records it made me say no thanks....

Maybe you don't know, but Neal and the boys waited YEARS YEARS for HIM to come back or make up his mind on his 'surgery'. The fact of the matter is Perry's voice wasn't up to the tour and from the stories out there he had a VERY difficult time completing TBF. Probably his hips weren't up to it either. There was also something out there about how Perry told his band (basically) "I gotta go do this Journey album, and then we will pick up where we left off". Now, according to Madspash (I think) Perry's voice has recovered and we'd all better watch out because he's going to blow us away with his next utterance. God, I hope so. I'd love nothing more than to hear the Perry of old. Honestly. Doesn't mean I can't dig Revelation and Arnel's Journey. I'd like to have both vocalists out there.

I don't expect you to agree, but the other thing is if we all loved the new line up things would be a little boring around here...we would have nothing to discuss.

Yes, it would be dull, but at least it wouldn't be just the same thing all the time. I try to stay away from here, but I've met some people that I like talking to, so ...

As I said before I will try to be more careful in my posting.....I do not want to disrespect AP....for I do not have a issue with him.

Do what you gotta do.

As for Arnel's site, I was on an ap site a long time ago that was pretty cool. Rip was on there a lot, but I hadn't been there for ages. I just became a member of the Arnelrocks site (or whatever it is), but I've not read anything there yet. So I haven't seen what's being talked about. I know a lot of the Arnelians are saying he's better than Perry or whatever... I really don't make those comparisons (I don't think). Arnel, Perry, Augeri, and Jss all have their good points and each of them brought something to the party, some more than others.

I don't think JSS should be lumped as a member of Journey. He never was, he was just a replacement for a tour. When people say JSS was a lead singer for Journey, I just don't feel a connection, esp since what happened. JSS seems cool though, love Believe in Me.

Before the massive JSS fans rape your arse, he was annouced at the official singer, he was an official member.. even if NS and co backtrack now. When I saw JSS with Journey he WAS a member of that band

[brywool]

Before the massive JSS fans rape your arse, he was annouced at the official singer, he was an official member.. even if NS and co backtrack now. When I saw JSS with Journey he WAS a member of that band

yeah, yeah, I know I know....

[Don]

Before the massive JSS fans rape your arse, he was annouced at the official singer, he was an official member.. even if NS and co backtrack now. When I saw JSS with Journey he WAS a member of that band

yeah, yeah, I know I know....

Are you stirring the pot? That's my job.

[Deb]

I don't think JSS should be lumped as a member of Journey. He never was, he was just a replacement for a tour. When people say JSS was a lead singer for Journey, I just don't feel a connection, esp since what happened. JSS seems cool though, love Believe in Me.

You don't have to feel a connection and you're entitled to your opinion, but truth is....he was an "official" lead singer for Journey. And he brought a lot of Perry diehards back around to Journey.......I'm one of them. Say what you will, but he deserves major kudos for saving that tour for them, not the disrespect he received.

[brywool]

Before the massive JSS fans rape your arse, he was annouced at the official singer, he was an official member.. even if NS and co backtrack now. When I saw JSS with Journey he WAS a member of that band

yeah, yeah, I know I know....

Are you stirring the pot? That's my job.

Ugh, sometimes I type before I think...

He was 'technically' a member. Yes.
Good singer. Good front guy. Just not 'tenor' enough to me.
I like Jeff, just like him better in other things. Soul Sirkus, great CD. Believe in Me, great song. etc.

ah shit, I see Deb's jumped on board now!
Kudos for saving the tour, yes.

[YoungJRNY]

I understand they named him "official lead singer" of the band, but deep down we all know they were forced to just have somebody on the back burners esp what happened to Augeri mid tour. JSS got the gig because of his time with Neal and Deen with Soul Sirkus. If JSS turned it down, Neal and company would of made a plea with one of the tribute banders' like Hugo, or Chalfant. Or maybe even Castronovo would of stepped up. Either way I believe they would of found someone to step in.

Kudo's to JSS for saving the DL tour, and I thank him for stepping up so people and fans like me can go to their first concert. (Saw JSS my first 2 Journey concerts ever.) But as time went on, I was dis-liking him more and more for Journey. Then his interaction with fans on here made it sour for me esp since he had to defend himself when somebody said something he didn't want to hear. Rubbed it the wrong way. Trying not to get off topic, when it comes down to it, I don't look at JSS as an OFFICIAL lead singer to Journey the same way as I do with guys like Perry, Augeri, or Arnel at this point.

[steveo777]

I don't think JSS should be lumped as a member of Journey. He never was, he was just a replacement for a tour. When people say JSS was a lead singer for Journey, I just don't feel a connection, esp since what happened. JSS seems cool though, love Believe in Me.

You don't have to feel a connection and you're entitled to your opinion, but truth is....he was an "official" lead singer for Journey. And he brought a lot of Perry diehards back around to Journey.......I'm one of them. Say what you will, but he deserves major kudos for saving that tour for them, not the disrespect he received.

This one I have never understood. He sounds way less Perry than SA and AP. As stated before, I like his sound, but not Journey sounding enough to me.

[Deb]

I don't think JSS should be lumped as a member of Journey. He never was, he was just a replacement for a tour. When people say JSS was a lead singer for Journey, I just don't feel a connection, esp since what happened. JSS seems cool though, love Believe in Me.

You don't have to feel a connection and you're entitled to your opinion, but truth is....he was an "official" lead singer for Journey. And he brought a lot of Perry diehards back around to Journey.......I'm one of them. Say what you will, but he deserves major kudos for saving that tour for them, not the disrespect he received.

This one I have never understood. He sounds way less Perry than SA and AP. As stated before, I like his sound, but not Journey sounding enough to me.

And that's exactly why. He wasn't trying to sound or be like Perry. And from talking to a bunch of Perry fans I know, he seemed to have brought the passion/soul back to Journey........while bringing something new to the table. For me, it was much like Van Halen getting Hagar who didn't sound like Roth either......loved it! I like uniqueness in my frontmen. To me he was Journey sounding (just not Perry sounding). Heck, have you heard "Coming Home" on SS cd, could have easily been on a Journey cd. Don't get me wrong, Arnel is a great singer and I enjoy watching the current clips of Journey. But sorry, the spark and Journey excitement are gone again for this fan. But hey, we all have different sparks and that's a good thing.

[steveo777]

I don't think JSS should be lumped as a member of Journey. He never was, he was just a replacement for a tour. When people say JSS was a lead singer for Journey, I just don't feel a connection, esp since what happened. JSS seems cool though, love Believe in Me.

You don't have to feel a connection and you're entitled to your opinion, but truth is....he was an "official" lead singer for Journey. And he brought a lot of Perry diehards back around to Journey.......I'm one of them. Say what you will, but he deserves major kudos for saving that tour for them, not the disrespect he received.

This one I have never understood. He sounds way less Perry than SA and AP. As stated before, I like his sound, but not Journey sounding enough to me.

And that's exactly why. He wasn't trying to sound or be like Perry. And from talking to a bunch of Perry fans I know, he seemed to have brought the passion/soul back to Journey........while bringing something new to the table. For me, it was much like Van Halen getting Hagar who didn't sound like Roth either......loved it! I like uniqueness in my frontmen. To me he was Journey sounding (just not Perry sounding). Don't get me wrong, Arnel is a great singer and I enjoy watching the current clips of Journey. But sorry, the spark and Journey excitement are gone again for this fan. But hey, we all have different sparks and that's a good thing.

It's cool. I was just curious.

[Eric]

I don't think JSS should be lumped as a member of Journey. He never was, he was just a replacement for a tour. When people say JSS was a lead singer for Journey, I just don't feel a connection, esp since what happened. JSS seems cool though, love Believe in Me.

He was made a band member...and did do about 100 live shows with the band.

[Rip Rokken]

COOL- ya sold me. Need a new place to hang that's a bit more 'happy'.
Rip, is that new site the same as the old with a facelift? Whoever did it, did a great job. Nice looking site.

Thanks, man. No, completely separate site and the old one still exists but under another name. The new site is mainly the work of Fabbest, our illustrious webmistress, but we all contributed to the design in some manner. We delayed the launch a few times until we came up with something we all really liked.

Sure man, visit anytime and I'll look forward to it!

[Rick]

I don't think JSS should be lumped as a member of Journey. He never was, he was just a replacement for a tour. When people say JSS was a lead singer for Journey, I just don't feel a connection, esp since what happened. JSS seems cool though, love Believe in Me.

He was made a band member...and did do about 100 live shows with the band.

Yep, and he rocked the band up a good bit. I really enjoyed that. I think he made some great strides acclimating himself to the catalog. He was on fire in Europe, for sure.

[Chubby321]

Gunbot,

Well I didn't get it and apparently brywool didn't either. We posted without no knowledge about the stuff from the other site. Before your first post on this thread, all the replies had their points. None disrespected rdekker.

I understand what you're saying, but my point is you should not assume anything. If you said something about the other site on your first post then I would have understood. Chubby posting links to the other site is not a reason to assume people read what people are saying there. And besides, the links I've seen from chubby are reviews and videos of the J shows, not really reacting to what is being said by other fans.

Thanks.

The Arnel Pineda web link is just to give props to the original poster. It’s not proper for me to take credit for somebody's find. On the reviews, I want to link the original website so people can check if the excerpts I post in here are accurate. The link is just to prove that the excerpts are legitimate and not fabricated.

[Rip Rokken]

Pot is legal in Amsterdam.
I'm just saying...

I thought Arnel didn't do that kind of stuff anymore?

Can we get the plokkers to confirm this?

Hey, PowerChords. Lou from AP's site took your question to the man himself when he was in the Shout Box today, and his answer was:

Nope... that's bad for my throat... I don't enjoy that

Also, there was an interview he did this past January where he talks about how he got clean and warned others away from drugs as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MozEJ_OpvX0

[Eric]

I don't think JSS should be lumped as a member of Journey. He never was, he was just a replacement for a tour. When people say JSS was a lead singer for Journey, I just don't feel a connection, esp since what happened. JSS seems cool though, love Believe in Me.

He was made a band member...and did do about 100 live shows with the band.

Yep, and he rocked the band up a good bit. I really enjoyed that. I think he made some great strides acclimating himself to the catalog. He was on fire in Europe, for sure.

He really did some killer versions of: LTS, Chain Reaction, Sep Way, Keep on Runnin' and Edge of the Blade

[YoungJRNY]

I don't think JSS should be lumped as a member of Journey. He never was, he was just a replacement for a tour. When people say JSS was a lead singer for Journey, I just don't feel a connection, esp since what happened. JSS seems cool though, love Believe in Me.

He was made a band member...and did do about 100 live shows with the band.

Yep, and he rocked the band up a good bit. I really enjoyed that. I think he made some great strides acclimating himself to the catalog. He was on fire in Europe, for sure.

He really did some killer versions of: LTS, Chain Reaction, Sep Way, Keep on Runnin' and Edge of the Blade

I disagree. He was off key most of his time with the band. Even worse than Augeri on his worst day. But JSS fans are right, he did serve a tour with the band and deserves credit for it, no doubt. But, that's the past. No need to re-hash it. Journey is better off and Pineda is the right man for the job, and that's an understatement.

JSS's version of Remember Me in Madrid was spectacular though. He nailed that, and then some. Would love for Arnel to sing that bad boy.

[FishinMagician]

I don't think JSS should be lumped as a member of Journey. He never was, he was just a replacement for a tour. When people say JSS was a lead singer for Journey, I just don't feel a connection, esp since what happened. JSS seems cool though, love Believe in Me.

He was made a band member...and did do about 100 live shows with the band.

Yep, and he rocked the band up a good bit. I really enjoyed that. I think he made some great strides acclimating himself to the catalog. He was on fire in Europe, for sure.

He really did some killer versions of: LTS, Chain Reaction, Sep Way, Keep on Runnin' and Edge of the Blade

I disagree. He was off key most of his time with the band. Even worse than Augeri on his worst day. But JSS fans are right, he did serve a tour with the band and deserves credit for it, no doubt. But, that's the past. No need to re-hash it. Journey is better off and Pineda is the right man for the job, and that's an understatement.

JSS's version of Remember Me in Madrid was spectacular though. He nailed that, and then some. Would love for Arnel to sing that bad boy.

I saw him twice and it was really off key alot of the time but no one noticed. tone deaf concert-goers lol. it was funny when he referred to journey as "his band" ad got fired like a month later. I think he has a good style and stage presence but not so much for journey

[rdekker]

Gunbot, I think you initiated a confusion here and still doing it.

All the responses to rdekker were valid and not disrespectful at all. He stated his opinion and people responded appropriately with what they saw on youtube.

Then you started saying people are attacking a neutral fan who gave an honest review. I was like wtf!
And I realized on your later post that you're talking about AP site. I don't read stuff on that site and you
should have been been clear where you're getting the bashing info from instead of making a generalization.

Now as far as brywool and portland are concern...hmmm.... no clear winner there, both are wrong and right at the same time. Just enjoy the ride you two.

Thank you. I've been around long enough not to comment on many of the people here. I've always been a Journey fan and will always be, no matter what singer they have, as long as Neal is in the band I'm a fan.

I've never been involved in the name calling and swearing at other people, just don't believe in that. I just pointed out my view of last wednesdays concert and if you can''t handle that, I'm sorry it's just that I've seen enough Journey concerts to give an honest and indeed respectful review, I will never ever bring them down like other people here do sometimes.

I've also asked Neal his opinion about last wednesday and here's what he said:

"Don't know quite what u mean... thought it was a great show. We liked it.
This is something that happens to everybody, For the most part I feel were very consistent compared to other bands I've seen. But then again you have your opinion that your entitled to. Everyones different."

So Neal didnt agree with me either but at least he's respects what I think.

[Chubby321]

Gunbot, I think you initiated a confusion here and still doing it.

All the responses to rdekker were valid and not disrespectful at all. He stated his opinion and people responded appropriately with what they saw on youtube.

Then you started saying people are attacking a neutral fan who gave an honest review. I was like wtf!
And I realized on your later post that you're talking about AP site. I don't read stuff on that site and you
should have been been clear where you're getting the bashing info from instead of making a generalization.

Now as far as brywool and portland are concern...hmmm.... no clear winner there, both are wrong and right at the same time. Just enjoy the ride you two.

Thank you. I've been around long enough not to comment on many of the people here. I've always been a Journey fan and will always be, no matter what singer they have, as long as Neal is in the band I'm a fan.

I've never been involved in the name calling and swearing at other people, just don't believe in that. I just pointed out my view of last wednesdays concert and if you can''t handle that, I'm sorry it's just that I've seen enough Journey concerts to give an honest and indeed respectful review, I will never ever bring them down like other people here do sometimes.

I've also asked Neal his opinion about last wednesday and here's what he said:

"Don't know quite what u mean... thought it was a great show. We liked it.
This is something that happens to everybody, For the most part I feel were very consistent compared to other bands I've seen. But then again you have your opinion that your entitled to. Everyones different."

So Neal didnt agree with me either but at least he's respects what I think.

Neal said it all. We did not know where you're coming from when you COMPARED the audience participation from the previous years by disagreeing with you. This is something you can at least measure.

Had you said that you did not enjoyed the concert as much as the previous years, then that's a different story and we can totally respect that.

I don't think it's a slam, we're just questioning how did you come up with your observation.

Well, sorry to hear that you did not enjoy the show. But it's all good, you are entitled to your own opinion.

Maybe it's a good thing that there's one or maybe two who disagreed. But right now we are drowning with too many positive reviews not only from the Journey fans but from professionals and fans of different bands. And so far the only people who gave negative reviews were members of this site who don't particularly like Arnel. Just sayin'

[YoungJRNY]

I don't think JSS should be lumped as a member of Journey. He never was, he was just a replacement for a tour. When people say JSS was a lead singer for Journey, I just don't feel a connection, esp since what happened. JSS seems cool though, love Believe in Me.

He was made a band member...and did do about 100 live shows with the band.

Yep, and he rocked the band up a good bit. I really enjoyed that. I think he made some great strides acclimating himself to the catalog. He was on fire in Europe, for sure.

He really did some killer versions of: LTS, Chain Reaction, Sep Way, Keep on Runnin' and Edge of the Blade

I disagree. He was off key most of his time with the band. Even worse than Augeri on his worst day. But JSS fans are right, he did serve a tour with the band and deserves credit for it, no doubt. But, that's the past. No need to re-hash it. Journey is better off and Pineda is the right man for the job, and that's an understatement.

JSS's version of Remember Me in Madrid was spectacular though. He nailed that, and then some. Would love for Arnel to sing that bad boy.

I saw him twice and it was really off key alot of the time but no one noticed. tone deaf concert-goers lol. it was funny when he referred to journey as "his band" ad got fired like a month later. I think he has a good style and stage presence but not so much for journey

I remember when I viewed that youtube clip where he stated that "how'd you like HIS band.." I kind of made a face like when you pop in a sour piece of candy.. like a face that reads "What the hell is he doing?" I wouldn't put it past Neal if he dropped him JUST FOR THAT.

[Don]

Gunbot, I think you initiated a confusion here and still doing it.

All the responses to rdekker were valid and not disrespectful at all. He stated his opinion and people responded appropriately with what they saw on youtube.

Then you started saying people are attacking a neutral fan who gave an honest review. I was like wtf!
And I realized on your later post that you're talking about AP site. I don't read stuff on that site and you
should have been been clear where you're getting the bashing info from instead of making a generalization.

Now as far as brywool and portland are concern...hmmm.... no clear winner there, both are wrong and right at the same time. Just enjoy the ride you two.

Thank you. I've been around long enough not to comment on many of the people here. I've always been a Journey fan and will always be, no matter what singer they have, as long as Neal is in the band I'm a fan.

I've never been involved in the name calling and swearing at other people, just don't believe in that. I just pointed out my view of last wednesdays concert and if you can''t handle that, I'm sorry it's just that I've seen enough Journey concerts to give an honest and indeed respectful review, I will never ever bring them down like other people here do sometimes.

I've also asked Neal his opinion about last wednesday and here's what he said:

"Don't know quite what u mean... thought it was a great show. We liked it.
This is something that happens to everybody, For the most part I feel were very consistent compared to other bands I've seen. But then again you have your opinion that your entitled to. Everyones different."

So Neal didnt agree with me either but at least he's respects what I think.

Neal said it all. We did not know where you're coming from when you COMPARED the audience participation from the previous years by disagreeing with you. This is something you can at least measure.

Had you said that you did not enjoyed the concert as much as the previous years, then that's a different story and we can totally respect that.

I don't think it's a slam, we're just questioning how did you come up with your observation.

Well, sorry to hear that you did not enjoy the show. But it's all good, you are entitled to your own opinion.

Maybe it's a good thing that there's one or maybe two who disagreed. But right now we are drowning with too many positive reviews not only from the Journey fans but from professionals and fans of different bands. And so far the only people who gave negative reviews were members of this site who don't particularly like Arnel. Just sayin'

Just curious, how many shows have you gone to with Augeri and JSS? I believe Rdekker has been to quite a few. I think by him being there in person, he can have a better perception of whats going on then someone watching a youtube video and he has the other shows to compare to.
Neal is never going to say they had a bad show show or anything to that effect. Even if Perry said he wasn't up to par, Neal would be in a second later saying how much they rocked. We rely on the fan reviews as those are the honest ones. The singing, we can get an idea of from youtube but what Rdekker was talking about, you have to be there to see it, don't you?
Negative reviews at this site from people who don't like Arnel? What do you expect? This isn't plokker central.
Being realistic, I would think if a person here didn't like Arnel, they wouldn't even be at the concert to give a review. Tickets aren't exactly cheap. As for others here giving armchair reviews, why are you even concerned about that, that's how we roll around here and you're not going to change that.
Every guy has an off night (and singing wise that was never even implied in the review here). With the sickness issues that Arnel constantly goes through, you're setting up your idol for a big fall by insinuating (even if not intentionally) that he's incapable of fallacy. I've been at a live show by Perry on the Escape tour (Perry's prime) where he wasn't 100% so I know it can happen to anyone.


P.S.
When I saw the band last year, AP was fighting it. Tired, on the last week of the tour, he couldn't hold the high notes that well. But he gave the effort and he sparkled on WYLAW. When I did my review, I included all that. With out that one song, the night would have belonged to Heart but AP came through in the clutch.
Bad review? No, honest review.