OT: How's the new President doing?

[youkeepmewaiting]

Alot of people complain about the NHS over here.. but thank God we have it.

[Jana]

So what is it Obama exactly wants to do for Health Insurance?

Is he making everyone able to have "free" health care by raising taxes? Or have I missed the point completely.

Wants to provide insurance for the uninsured, and streamline the system in general. The medical lobbyists are obviously against this, as are most republicans, because frankly, they and their constituents already have insurance so why should they give a shit about anyone else? The poor and uninsured aren't going to vote republican anyway, so why throw them a bone?

Well that makes sense then. The people who insured probably cant understand how scary it must be for the people who arnt.

I don't have medical insurance.........I pay cash. I get the doctor I want, and he takes my finances into cosideration. He gives me reduced cost meds when he can, or samples. Some doctors are understanding to folks and are trying to help those who are trying tomake ends meet and struggle. Fix the real problems. Don't make more problems.

And without medical insurance if you get cancer that requires treatment for many years or experiemental procedures or Lou Gehrig's disease, etc, you will lose everything, savings, house.

[G.I.Jim]

He's the best president we have ever had, and ever will have!

[artist4perry]

So what is it Obama exactly wants to do for Health Insurance?

Is he making everyone able to have "free" health care by raising taxes? Or have I missed the point completely.

Wants to provide insurance for the uninsured, and streamline the system in general. The medical lobbyists are obviously against this, as are most republicans, because frankly, they and their constituents already have insurance so why should they give a shit about anyone else? The poor and uninsured aren't going to vote republican anyway, so why throw them a bone?

Well that makes sense then. The people who insured probably cant understand how scary it must be for the people who arnt.

I don't have medical insurance.........I pay cash. I get the doctor I want, and he takes my finances into cosideration. He gives me reduced cost meds when he can, or samples. Some doctors are understanding to folks and are trying to help those who are trying tomake ends meet and struggle. Fix the real problems. Don't make more problems.

And without medical insurance if you get cancer that requires treatment for many years or experiemental procedures or Lou Gehrig's disease, etc, you will lose everything, savings, house.

I am not arguing something needs to be done. I am saying fix what we have. Our nation is broke. When China owns this country because the decide to call the debts we are incurring, what will any of us have? Where is the money coming from? people are loosing jobs every day. Who will be able to pay that enormous bill? Not in any of our or our great grandchildrens lifetimes will it be paid...........and to a communist country no less. The poor struggle as it is. Taxes on groceries and gas hit them the hardest. Yeah youll have health care, but cannot afford the food for your children. Are you aware of how many hungry kids we have in our rich nation? So what are the sollutions? Tax the rich and they take their money overseas. So who wil pay the bill? I think this is a legitimate question.

[Rockindeano]

I am not arguing something needs to be done. I am saying fix what we have. Our nation is broke. When China owns this country because the decide to call the debts we are incurring, what will any of us have?

LOL, don't fret too much about this. The big question is when WE ant to call on others to collect debt owed to US.

Where is the money coming from? people are loosing jobs every day. Who will be able to pay that enormous bill?

Taxation. We are the least taxed country in the world. We can afford this. The economy is already getting better, and more jobs are starting to be created.

Not in any of our or our great grandchildrens lifetimes will it be paid...........and to a communist country no less. The poor struggle as it is. Taxes on groceries and gas hit them the hardest.

Well Ginger, 8 years ago, the War president inherited a huge surplus and left us with an even bigger deficit. One of the biggest reasons was not the bullshit war in Iraq, but the bullshit tax cuts, especially in times of war. We are a borrowing nation, but others are far more indebted to us than us to them.

Yeah youll have health care, but cannot afford the food for your children. Are you aware of how many hungry kids we have in our rich nation? So what are the sollutions? Tax the rich and they take their money overseas. So who wil pay the bill? I think this is a legitimate question.

You make zero sense with this. In fact I can't even make my way through it. Tax the rich, they'll go overseas?" Come on. Those are GOP talking points.

[artist4perry]

I am not arguing something needs to be done. I am saying fix what we have. Our nation is broke. When China owns this country because the decide to call the debts we are incurring, what will any of us have?

LOL, don't fret too much about this. The big question is when WE ant to call on others to collect debt owed to US.

Where is the money coming from? people are loosing jobs every day. Who will be able to pay that enormous bill?

Taxation. We are the least taxed country in the world. We can afford this. The economy is already getting better, and more jobs are starting to be created.

Not in any of our or our great grandchildrens lifetimes will it be paid...........and to a communist country no less. The poor struggle as it is. Taxes on groceries and gas hit them the hardest.

Well Ginger, 8 years ago, the War president inherited a huge surplus and left us with an even bigger deficit. One of the biggest reasons was not the bullshit war in Iraq, but the bullshit tax cuts, especially in times of war. We are a borrowing nation, but others are far more indebted to us than us to them.

Yeah youll have health care, but cannot afford the food for your children. Are you aware of how many hungry kids we have in our rich nation? So what are the sollutions? Tax the rich and they take their money overseas. So who wil pay the bill? I think this is a legitimate question.

You make zero sense with this. In fact I can't even make my way through it. Tax the rich, they'll go overseas?" Come on. Those are GOP talking points.

The rich take their money overseas anytime it is threatened..........I could care less about the GOP. They are part of the problem too.

Where I said the poor will be hit, think what a single mom has to do to feed her kids.........oh yeah we have less taxes than anyone, tell her that when she can only feed her kids once a day, if that. Higher taxes mean she can afford less and less. We have kids in our schools who we give food to because we know they get nothing to eat during the weekend. Raising taxes on gas could effect those who can barely afford to go to their jobs now.

I see no easy sollutions. I know many want this to be solved. I am included............but this needs to be weighed in the ballance.

Think about this Deano, if China wants to hurt us............it will be a no brainer. And it amazes me you trust them that much.

As far as more jobs are being created......great...........I haven't found one yet. I have been looking. I am waiting on a call back today. I have a degree and the schools are cutting back so guess where that puts me? As I said , I cannot lift anything........that is the reason I had to go back to school. Now I look forward to school loans looming over my head. And all this with higher taxes because I can afford it?......

[Eric]

12 million of the 46 million uninsured are illegals....and another 16 million choose not to have it but make over $50k. And...Obama wants Universal coverage...make no mistake about it.

So wait. You first say there is 300 million people to insure and I correct you and say there is between 40 and 50 million. So now you come back in here strong with admitting there is only "46" million to insure? Which is it, Eric?

Secondly, the families who make over 50K aren't really choosing not to- they are making a choice between food on the table and gas in the car or health care. Families simply cannot afford health care at all, that's why the simply go to ER's and don't pay. Can't say I blame them. Now, if these families you speak of, families that play work hard and play by the rules had insurance, they wouldn't have to use the ER as a doctor's office, thus allowing the ER to be used how it was intended to be; for people with emergencies.

Move to fucking Cuba then if its so great

So me wanting better health care here at home, and correctly pointing out that a communistic island has better H/C than America, I should move there? Not a very strong argument. Might I suggest you go fetch that retarded little fucker in Kentucky to help you debate this.

You are so full of shit its hysterical. My point is Obama wants Government to insure all 300+ million citizens in this country. He's a socialist, that iss what his ultimate plan is. You cannot trust what he says, but rather watch what he is doing. There are 46 million uninsured, with only 18 million needing more help. Lets help them. There are people choosing not to buy health insurance that can afford it - it is their choice. I was one for a few years. I was in my early 20's and didn't own anything and felt healthy and took the money that I saved from not getting health insurance and tossed it into my retirement. No point at that time to spend $250/month on it, when the consequences were zilch. I have an Uncle who makes 6 figures who doesn't have any health insurance and never has and he is in his mid 50's. He doesn't have a lot of stuff in his name so I don't think its a real big risk. Additionally, I switched to a lower premium high co-pay plan and its worked out great, despite myself and family needing 4 surgeries in the last 6 years (at $500 a pop out of pocket per night). Many of us are quite frankly over-insured up-front and would do our employers a favor and take on more co-pays to lessen their burden.

[Eric]

A lot of doctors, probably almost all, would rather provide a cash discount than deal with insurance companies.

I do this with my dentist and shrink. Like 75% cheaper.

[youkeepmewaiting]

People need health care. There will never be a perfect time to do this.. but it needs to be done. Surely it'll be worth it in the long run?

[artist4perry]

People need health care. There will never be a perfect time to do this.. but it needs to be done. Surely it'll be worth it in the long run?

Only if it is done right..............the implications of getting it wrong could devistate the poor, and wreck our economy even more. Rushed solutions almost always fail..........

[texafana]

You're one of the most vile, reprehensible assholes I've ever encountered on a forum and you give these forums a REALLY fucked up reputation. Suck my cock you fuckin' wannabe!

Nicely done!

Obama's finally getting a taste of his own demise. Once the public wakes up to his "i have no idea what the funk I'm talking about but I sound good saying it" bullshit, it's game over for him.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I heard about the healthcare issue, but a friend of mine was telling me that Obama's team of judges lumped homosexuality into the same category as incest. I sort of had my doubts that what my friend said was true so I thought I'd ask if anyone has heard about this too. It supposedly happened in the last 48 to 72 hours.

[stevew2]

I heard about the healthcare issue, but a friend of mine was telling me that Obama's team of judges lumped homosexuality into the same category as incest. I sort of had my doubts that what my friend said was true so I thought I'd ask if anyone has heard about this too. It supposedly happened in the last 48 to 72 hours.

Bobby tn should know

[The Sushi Hunter]

I heard about the healthcare issue, but a friend of mine was telling me that Obama's team of judges lumped homosexuality into the same category as incest. I sort of had my doubts that what my friend said was true so I thought I'd ask if anyone has heard about this too. It supposedly happened in the last 48 to 72 hours.

Bobby tn should know

Bobby tn lashed out. That was very uncalled for.

[Melissa]

Obama pissing off Peta was one of the best things he has done. Bout time! Great smack by the way! Like these people really care about a fly..............I can see them morning in their beds at night, if they overpopulated and crawled on them, their food, and in their noses and mouths. Flies are nasty, germ carrying bugs, and one being smacked is not going to endanger them in a longshot! Good for Obama.................

As for the Health Care deal.........prepare to pay.......Deano have you ever had Gov run health care? I have and it is shameful what they have done for our vets. Not to mention I have had them nearly kill me, and almost let my daughter bleed to death. To this day my back is messed up because they did not give me proper care. Military families sometimes have to wait 4-8 hours in emergency rooms for serious emergencies. I saw a boy who's hand was mangled and broken and they made him wait for 3 hours! It sounds good on paper. But it will be costly, and no guarantee it won't be badly run. So I am not so fond of Gov health care.

No different then HMO , or managed care systems,Emergency room waits have been 4- 8 hrs for awhile, doesn't happen just to military.Its been a huge complaint by many patients for years.Even staff who go to there own hospital wait up to 8 hrs to be seen, depending on how they are triaged and how busy it is at that hospital.(professional courtesy has pretty much dissolved in the last 10 years)

That might be true in some places, but not all. My son was seen at the only children's E.R. here just a few weeks ago for possible appendictis, and due to my professional connection to that hospital for 13 years, all I had to do was call ahead, and when I got there he was taken right back and 2 surgeons and the resident were right there waiting for him. So it's still there, just depends I guess. My son was a TRUE emergency, and I could see as a nurse myself in triage the other TRUE emergencies were being taken care of right away too. The waiting room was full of kids there for runny noses running around like little maniacs like nothing at all was wrong with them. Oh and of course I got some glares from people who were sitting there waiting while my 8 year old who couldn't even walk and was screaming in pain was taken right back. And too bad. The E.R. isn't a take-a-number deli, doesn't work by first come first served, isn't supposed to and never should. It's for emergencies. (I know YOU know all this, I'm just venting too, LOL)

I too don't feel universal health care is the answer. There is plenty about the current systems in place that need overhauling. Start with Medicaid and all the people on it who are perfectly capable of working but CHOOSE not to. I have no sympathy for their mooching at all whatsoever. I feel bad for the ones who ARE working their asses off, but yet make TOO much money according to Medicaid to get help. You have to be a lazy sit on your ass and not bother to work baby making machine in order to get Medicaid here in FL. Have 9 kids all with different last names, sit on your ass and don't bother to do a thing but get pregnant once a year, and you're golden for getting Medicaid.

As for the military healthcare, I grew up on Air Force bases and we had excellent healthcare. Never had a problem with the E.R. on Lackland AFB in San Antonio for the long time we lived there, and never a problem with the E.R. on Kadena AB in Okinawa when we lived there while I was in high school. Of course that was for TRUE emergencies though, i.e. my brother's asthma attacks (several of which almost killed him), my father's head being split open after being hit by a speed break on an F-15 while on the flight line, etc. (yes the pilot got in trouble for that one, LOL). And the coverage my parents had after he retired was good too. It covered the huge majority of my mother's bills while fighting breast cancer, and those bills were WELL into six figures, possibly even more, by the time she died a year later. Covered the six different chemos, all the medications she had to take while on treatments (about 15), all the hospital stays for many complications, most of which were in intensive care, the radiation, the blood transfusions, of which she had so many we lost count...the list goes on.

This stuff could be argued for days, everyone has their own stories. But I truly don't see how the government running our healthcare will make it any better. I believe it would be worse. I agree that health insurance companies can be scumbags, NO ONE knows that better than people who deal with them all the time like I do. BUT, they do cover more than they don't, way more. I don't like the premiums we pay for our family, but we pay them because it's important to us to have coverage. Others who choose not to, that's their choice. Others want to have a $3000 mortgage and $800 car payment instead, and then bitch they "can't afford" insurance, that's their choice. We didn't chose that. There are plenty of people who claim they can't afford coverage that very well could, they just don't WANT to spend money on something that's not FUN Houses and cars and fancy phones and clothes and all that crap are fun, insurance is not.

As for the whole tax issue, my vote is for the fair tax. Make the millions of people living here who don't pay a cent in taxes, pay taxes.

[Peartree12249]

Deano, I've been working as a Medicare/ Medicaid consultant to the nursing home industry since 1989. The amount of hoops the government makes providers jump through and the paperwork is staggering.

The government requires "hoops to jump through" because of the few asshole thieves who try to circumvent the system and cheat it.


All the government does is keep adding more and more requirements. Now don't get me wrong, if it wasn't for the the government and their convoluted systems I wouldn't have this job, but you know, I think they should clean up our existing health programs, cut waste and save Social Security, before they add new inefficient programs not to mention costs that will just add to our already mind boggling deficit.

Clean up existing health care? Firstly, there is no existing health care and secondly, Obama has said saving social security was a priority. George W Bush was the guy who did nothing about health care, turned his back on the biggest Veteran's hospital(Walter Reed), and wanted to privatize social security.

The Feds don't save money, they increase costs due to increased regulations and paperwork. And before you go gettin' your undies in a bundle, I'm not a Republican and I have no ax to grind with Obama.

Regulations are a good thing(see the word "bailout"). Regulations are in place to provide safety and prevent cheating. And if you would take the time to maybe read, or listen to Obama speak on this issue, one of the strong points is to eliminate paperwork and go all electronic doctor records, which makes things, easier, cheaper and more efficient.[/quote]

It's obvious to me that you've never worked in health care because your simplistic views are a joke. We do have a health care system it's just not a completely government controlled one. Of course regulations are required and systems need to be in place to control fraud. However the extent of those systems is what I object to. As far as reducing paperwork what a fucking joke. Have you ever heard of the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1980. So what's Obama's new idea! The government was supposed to have already reduced paperwork. They've had 29 years. How long does it take? How do you know how much I've read or listened to the President speak on the subject? Just because I don't agree with you don't presume to tell me what I have or haven't done. I know more about the health care systems in this country than you'll ever know. It's my life's work. What's your's running your mouth on the MR forum?

[G.I.Jim]

Obama pissing off Peta was one of the best things he has done. Bout time! Great smack by the way! Like these people really care about a fly..............I can see them morning in their beds at night, if they overpopulated and crawled on them, their food, and in their noses and mouths. Flies are nasty, germ carrying bugs, and one being smacked is not going to endanger them in a longshot! Good for Obama.................

As for the Health Care deal.........prepare to pay.......Deano have you ever had Gov run health care? I have and it is shameful what they have done for our vets. Not to mention I have had them nearly kill me, and almost let my daughter bleed to death. To this day my back is messed up because they did not give me proper care. Military families sometimes have to wait 4-8 hours in emergency rooms for serious emergencies. I saw a boy who's hand was mangled and broken and they made him wait for 3 hours! It sounds good on paper. But it will be costly, and no guarantee it won't be badly run. So I am not so fond of Gov health care.

No different then HMO , or managed care systems,Emergency room waits have been 4- 8 hrs for awhile, doesn't happen just to military.Its been a huge complaint by many patients for years.Even staff who go to there own hospital wait up to 8 hrs to be seen, depending on how they are triaged and how busy it is at that hospital.(professional courtesy has pretty much dissolved in the last 10 years)

That might be true in some places, but not all. My son was seen at the only children's E.R. here just a few weeks ago for possible appendictis, and due to my professional connection to that hospital for 13 years, all I had to do was call ahead, and when I got there he was taken right back and 2 surgeons and the resident were right there waiting for him. So it's still there, just depends I guess. My son was a TRUE emergency, and I could see as a nurse myself in triage the other TRUE emergencies were being taken care of right away too. The waiting room was full of kids there for runny noses running around like little maniacs like nothing at all was wrong with them. Oh and of course I got some glares from people who were sitting there waiting while my 8 year old who couldn't even walk and was screaming in pain was taken right back. And too bad. The E.R. isn't a take-a-number deli, doesn't work by first come first served, isn't supposed to and never should. It's for emergencies. (I know YOU know all this, I'm just venting too, LOL)

I too don't feel universal health care is the answer. There is plenty about the current systems in place that need overhauling. Start with Medicaid and all the people on it who are perfectly capable of working but CHOOSE not to. I have no sympathy for their mooching at all whatsoever. I feel bad for the ones who ARE working their asses off, but yet make TOO much money according to Medicaid to get help. You have to be a lazy sit on your ass and not bother to work baby making machine in order to get Medicaid here in FL. Have 9 kids all with different last names, sit on your ass and don't bother to do a thing but get pregnant once a year, and you're golden for getting Medicaid.

As for the military healthcare, I grew up on Air Force bases and we had excellent healthcare. Never had a problem with the E.R. on Lackland AFB in San Antonio for the long time we lived there, and never a problem with the E.R. on Kadena AB in Okinawa when we lived there while I was in high school. Of course that was for TRUE emergencies though, i.e. my brother's asthma attacks (several of which almost killed him), my father's head being split open after being hit by a speed break on an F-15 while on the flight line, etc. (yes the pilot got in trouble for that one, LOL). And the coverage my parents had after he retired was good too. It covered the huge majority of my mother's bills while fighting breast cancer, and those bills were WELL into six figures, possibly even more, by the time she died a year later. Covered the six different chemos, all the medications she had to take while on treatments (about 15), all the hospital stays for many complications, most of which were in intensive care, the radiation, the blood transfusions, of which she had so many we lost count...the list goes on.

This stuff could be argued for days, everyone has their own stories. But I truly don't see how the government running our healthcare will make it any better. I believe it would be worse. I agree that health insurance companies can be scumbags, NO ONE knows that better than people who deal with them all the time like I do. BUT, they do cover more than they don't, way more. I don't like the premiums we pay for our family, but we pay them because it's important to us to have coverage. Others who choose not to, that's their choice. Others want to have a $3000 mortgage and $800 car payment instead, and then bitch they "can't afford" insurance, that's their choice. We didn't chose that. There are plenty of people who claim they can't afford coverage that very well could, they just don't WANT to spend money on something that's not FUN Houses and cars and fancy phones and clothes and all that crap are fun, insurance is not.

As for the whole tax issue, my vote is for the fair tax. Make the millions of people living here who don't pay a cent in taxes, pay taxes.

Great post Melissa!

[artist4perry]

I was an Army wife, and tricare sucked. The military care in the hospitals we had were appauling. Air force recieve the best care.........they received a great deal more luxuries than many of the military branches. Civilian doctors did not want to touch tricare insurance with a ten foot pole. Many rejected it outright.

I understand where your coming from.........but I know people who work hard here who get Medicaid........not myself........who are proud and work hard, but make little pay. We have an Arkids program thanks to Huckabee that helps children with coverage here. It is state run. It is for lower income families who cannot afford insurance. I had it for my kids when I was a single mom. I am not ashamed to have taken it. I worked, but I was a janitor at the time. My ex would not help on insurance, as a matter of fact he skipped out on child support for over half a year, and though he was supposed to provide medical, he didn't. Arkansas is one of the poorest states in the country.

But I don't like nor trust the Federal Gov. to do anything right. What program have they not screwed up?

[Jana]

Obama is not taking away private health insurance. Everybody can keep it. He wants there to be a plan that is affordable for the people who can't afford it and MOST will have to pay for that plan, but not all.
Okay. Simplistic version I know. But when people keep saying Universal healthcare by Obama, that's not exactly true. He is not taking away the private sector.

[Peartree12249]

Obama is not taking away private health insurance. Everybody can keep it. He wants there to be a plan that is affordable for the people who can't afford it and MOST will have to pay for that plan, but not all.
Okay. Simplistic version I know. But when people keep saying Universal healthcare by Obama, that's not exactly true. He is not taking away the private sector.

No just forcing small employers to provide health insurance. Doesn't he realize that for small companies it's very often a choice of going out of business or not providing health care.

[Don]

I was an Army wife, and tricare sucked. The military care in the hospitals we had were appauling. Air force recieve the best care.........they received a great deal more luxuries than many of the military branches. Civilian doctors did not want to touch tricare insurance with a ten foot pole. Many rejected it outright.

I understand where your coming from.........but I know people who work hard here who get Medicaid........not myself........who are proud and work hard, but make little pay. We have an Arkids program thanks to Huckabee that helps children with coverage here. It is state run. It is for lower income families who cannot afford insurance. I had it for my kids when I was a single mom. I am not ashamed to have taken it. I worked, but I was a janitor at the time. My ex would not help on insurance, as a matter of fact he skipped out on child support for over half a year, and though he was supposed to provide medical, he didn't. Arkansas is one of the poorest states in the country.

But I don't like nor trust the Federal Gov. to do anything right. What program have they not screwed up?

I'm prior USAF and can say that Air Force care is for the most part top rate but the Army does have a few outstanding facilities. Tripler in Hawaii and Brooks at Fort Sam Houston, Texas are excellent. I know this from personal experience. My son had to have heart surgery at 6 months old and The doctor at Brooks was rated as one of the top 5 pediatric cardiologists in the entire country. He also had his own government lear jet that we were allowed to use from Texas back to Hawaii.
Almost 20 years later, my kid is still going strong so job well done.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Obama's finally getting a taste of his own demise. Once the public wakes up to his "i have no idea what the funk I'm talking about but I sound good saying it" bullshit, it's game over for him.

As opposed to the eloquent ‘stammering wino’ cadence of George W., who practically advertised his dangerous incompetence to the world like a flashing neon Live Nude Girls sign.
And the GOP base, despite all their talk of 'won’t get fooled again’, seems none the wiser.
What else is Sarah Palin, if not another folksy Bush/globalist cipher in 4 inch otter skin heels?

Aside from O’s Wall Street minted financial team (which continues down the same path that got us in this mess), I have no problems with Obama.
Contrary to the Mao Zedong caricature that gets thrown around, his healthcare reform plan didn’t even include a public option.
60 years to the day Truman called for universal coverage, even with Democratic majorities in both houses, the party simply cannot deliver.
The toothless financial overhaul reform package that was revealed this week expands the power of the Fed (bad idea), and all but guarantees another Depression in the future.
Maybe in that time, a real change agent will come onto the scene ready to match words with radical ass punting.
Until then, celebrate the drips and drabs of change.

6 month report card:

Financial Sector - D
Everything else - B

[yulog]

Obama pissing off Peta was one of the best things he has done. Bout time! Great smack by the way! Like these people really care about a fly..............I can see them morning in their beds at night, if they overpopulated and crawled on them, their food, and in their noses and mouths. Flies are nasty, germ carrying bugs, and one being smacked is not going to endanger them in a longshot! Good for Obama.................

As for the Health Care deal.........prepare to pay.......Deano have you ever had Gov run health care? I have and it is shameful what they have done for our vets. Not to mention I have had them nearly kill me, and almost let my daughter bleed to death. To this day my back is messed up because they did not give me proper care. Military families sometimes have to wait 4-8 hours in emergency rooms for serious emergencies. I saw a boy who's hand was mangled and broken and they made him wait for 3 hours! It sounds good on paper. But it will be costly, and no guarantee it won't be badly run. So I am not so fond of Gov health care.

No different then HMO , or managed care systems,Emergency room waits have been 4- 8 hrs for awhile, doesn't happen just to military.Its been a huge complaint by many patients for years.Even staff who go to there own hospital wait up to 8 hrs to be seen, depending on how they are triaged and how busy it is at that hospital.(professional courtesy has pretty much dissolved in the last 10 years)

All I know is what I experianced....................And what I still deal with due to negligence today..............the waits are not the issue. Poor care is. I would be dead today if it were not for a caring radiologist who risked his career to talk against the doctor who was over my case. My gallbladder had almost ruptured........the doctor wanted to send me home with Malanta.

They left my herniated disc untreated. Makes it difficult for me to get jobs that require any lifting.

Don't get me started on what they did to my teeth.

My daughter had an IV that was leaking blood down the floor, when I got there a nice puddle had formed, and no one was checking on her. She was 7 years old. She had just had surgery. I had to get someone over there, and when I told them, no one was in a hurry to correct the issue.

Hate to say it, but i hear stories like this daily and have some of my own, I just dont believe its unique to the military or government. medical care as a whole has progressivly been getting worse in the last 20 yrs. people are just getting sick of doctors and healthcare and are trusting both less and less.

[Jana]

Obama's finally getting a taste of his own demise. Once the public wakes up to his "i have no idea what the funk I'm talking about but I sound good saying it" bullshit, it's game over for him.

As opposed to the eloquent ‘stammering wino’ cadence of George W., who practically advertised his dangerous incompetence to the world like a flashing neon Live Nude Girls sign.
And the GOP base, despite all their talk of 'won’t get fooled again’, seems none the wiser.
What else is Sarah Palin, if not another folksy Bush/globalist cipher in 4 inch otter skin heels?

Aside from O’s Wall Street minted financial team (which continues down the same path that got us in this mess), I have no problems with Obama.
Contrary to the Mao Zedong caricature that gets thrown around, his healthcare reform plan didn’t even include a public option.
60 years to the day Truman called for universal coverage, even with Democratic majorities in both houses, the party simply cannot deliver.
The toothless financial overhaul reform package that was revealed this week expands the power of the Fed (bad idea), and all but guarantees another Depression in the future.
Maybe in that time, a real change agent will come onto the scene ready to match words with radical ass punting.
Until then, celebrate the drips and drabs of change.

6 month report card:

Financial Sector - D
Everything else - B

Gotta love TNC. Never a dull read.

[squirt1]

Get lawyers out of driving up medical costs. I said it 20yrs ago and nothing has changed. Doctors practice defensive medicine so expensive tests are ordered. Obama will not consider this and that is why the doctors literally booed him at a meeting. Cap malpractice awards. Allow those who do not have Ins to join a HMO/ medicare and pay according to income. Leave the rest alone. I also want all attorneys out of Congress and their staffs. They are why bills are 500-700 pgs and lawmaker idiots do not even know what is in them when they vote. Term limits are long overdue, but they will never vote themselves out of the hen house.

[G.I.Jim]

Get lawyers out of driving up medical costs. I said it 20yrs ago and nothing has changed. Doctors practice defensive medicine so expensive tests are ordered. Obama will not consider this and that is why the doctors literally booed him at a meeting. Cap malpractice awards. Allow those who do not have Ins to join a HMO/ medicare and pay according to income. Leave the rest alone. I also want all attorneys out of Congress and their staffs. They are why bills are 500-700 pgs and lawmaker idiots do not even know what is in them when they vote. Term limits are long overdue, but they will never vote themselves out of the hen house.

Great post, and I agree with the whole thing. Especially that last part. What a bunch of worthless assholes!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Get lawyers out of driving up medical costs. I said it 20yrs ago and nothing has changed. Doctors practice defensive medicine so expensive tests are ordered. Obama will not consider this and that is why the doctors literally booed him at a meeting. Cap malpractice awards.

Capping malpractice awards AKA limiting victims legal rights, has been tried in Texas (among other states).
Doctors' insurance premiums go up anyway.

[artist4perry]

I was an Army wife, and tricare sucked. The military care in the hospitals we had were appauling. Air force recieve the best care.........they received a great deal more luxuries than many of the military branches. Civilian doctors did not want to touch tricare insurance with a ten foot pole. Many rejected it outright.

I understand where your coming from.........but I know people who work hard here who get Medicaid........not myself........who are proud and work hard, but make little pay. We have an Arkids program thanks to Huckabee that helps children with coverage here. It is state run. It is for lower income families who cannot afford insurance. I had it for my kids when I was a single mom. I am not ashamed to have taken it. I worked, but I was a janitor at the time. My ex would not help on insurance, as a matter of fact he skipped out on child support for over half a year, and though he was supposed to provide medical, he didn't. Arkansas is one of the poorest states in the country.

But I don't like nor trust the Federal Gov. to do anything right. What program have they not screwed up?

I'm prior USAF and can say that Air Force care is for the most part top rate but the Army does have a few outstanding facilities. Tripler in Hawaii and Brooks at Fort Sam Houston, Texas are excellent. I know this from personal experience. My son had to have heart surgery at 6 months old and The doctor at Brooks was rated as one of the top 5 pediatric cardiologists in the entire country. He also had his own government lear jet that we were allowed to use from Texas back to Hawaii.
Almost 20 years later, my kid is still going strong so job well done.

I am not saying all Army hospitals were bad. But I had more trouble than not. And most of the civilian doctors when my husband was deployed did not want to help us, and the base was so far away so many times. Most of my experiances were not good at all. I am glad your son is OK.

[Eric]

Taxation. We are the least taxed country in the world. We can afford this. The economy is already getting better, and more jobs are starting to be created.

The economy is getting worse....and we're too heavily taxed.

[Don]

Taxation. We are the least taxed country in the world. We can afford this. The economy is already getting better, and more jobs are starting to be created.

The economy is getting worse....and we're too heavily taxed.

We can't blame the English Monarchy for this one.