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Re: OT: How's the new President doing?

Postby maverick218 » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:36 am

Rockindeano wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:Today I heard that Obama recently pissed off PETA by killing a fly and now something about the gays are hella pissed off at him. Is there any truth to any of this stuff?


Yes and yes. PETA can go fuck themselves, and the gays well, will have to suck it up- literally.

The honeymoon is over.

These next dozen weeks are going to be hard fought to see if he gets his health care initiative passed. I for one think it;s decades too late coming. I can't wait for all the nurses on this board(save 1), to come running in screaming that the quality of H/C will g down, blah blah blah.


The quality of healthcare WILL go down. My wife is a home health nurse and with all of the cuts that will be imposed to medicare and medicaid, people will not be able to have the same kind of care that they receive now.
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Postby BobbyinTN » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:36 am

Obama is not a socialist. Obama has to fix 8 years of bullshit created by a wannabe-cowboy who couldn't piss of himself without Dick Cheney holding his dick.

Without W's war, we would not be in this mess.

Stop with the republican talkin' points and learn something.
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Re: OT: How's the new President doing?

Postby BobbyinTN » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:37 am

Rockindeano wrote:
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I don't have to cry to anyone, I'm telling you the homophobic bullshit is juvenile and you should wipe the vagina off your face long enough and look with clearer vision.



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You say good, I say eat up baby, but bring the tartar sauce!
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Postby Don » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:39 am

Tube steak with tartar sauce? :lol: :lol:
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Re: OT: How's the new President doing?

Postby Rockindeano » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:40 am

BobbyinTN wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
BobbyinTN wrote:
I don't have to cry to anyone, I'm telling you the homophobic bullshit is juvenile and you should wipe the vagina off your face long enough and look with clearer vision.



WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

LOL, vagina= good. Cock= yucky


You say good, I say eat up baby, but bring the tartar sauce!


Have you ever eaten pussy? I know you are a cock connoisseur, but have you ever tried a nice, fresh, clean piece of clam? No need for tartar sauce there.

What else I would like to know is, does it hurt? You know, when a dude shoves his pole in your ass?
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Re: OT: How's the new President doing?

Postby Melissa » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:43 am

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Peartree12249 wrote:
We do have a health care system it's just not a completely government controlled one.


If it's not available for all to use it, then one does not exist. What we have today is an health insurance that is enjoyed by a select people, not all.
Of course regulations are required and systems need to be in place to control fraud. However the extent of those systems is what I object to. As far as reducing paperwork what a fucking joke. Have you ever heard of the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1980. So what's Obama's new idea! The government was supposed to have already reduced paperwork. They've had 29 years. How long does it take?


Obama wants a paperless system, one with computerized connectivity, electronic records and prescriptions, etc.

I know more about the health care systems in this country than you'll ever know. It's my life's work. What's your's running your mouth on the MR forum? :roll:


I don't claim to know more than you about health insurance, but I know I'm at least smart enough to know this system that you have been a part doesn't work.


We tried going paperless, and there's just no way it can be done completely. It sounds easy, but it's more time consuming in reality. Granted most of my charting and a lot of other things we do are on computers now, but using it with our paper charts is still easier. Completely paperless is more time consuming than it looks, and more expensive. And yes the electronic RX system is easier and great, if a patient's particular pharmacy participates, but the snag is controlled substances. Can't be done over the phone or computer, has to be a written RX, which is the way it should stay.
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Re: OT: How's the new President doing?

Postby BobbyinTN » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:44 am

You say good, I say eat up baby, but bring the tartar sauce![/quote]

Have you ever eaten pussy? I know you are a cock connoisseur, but have you ever tried a nice, fresh, clean piece of clam? No need for tartar sauce there.

What else I would like to know is, does it hurt? You know, when a dude shoves his pole in your ass?[/quote]


Curiouser and curiouser.

If I'd never tried it how would I know I didn't like it. And does it hurt when "a dude shoves his pole in my ass", only when your Daddy does it rough.
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Re: OT: How's the new President doing?

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:44 am

Peartree12249 wrote:My point is that anytime the 'Feds touch something they usually manage to screw it up, add layers of bureaucracy and cost. My point is that I don't have faith in our government to get it right.


Currently, private insurers are more awash in bureaucratic paper-shuffling and administrative costs than public programs like, say, Medicare.
Medicare Part D is a perfect example of this.
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Re: OT: How's the new President doing?

Postby Rockindeano » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:45 am

Melissa wrote: but the snag is controlled substances. Can't be done over the phone or computer, has to be a written RX, which is the way it should stay.


You would think a computer generated email (prescription), would be less likely to be altered versus a paper tablet.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:50 am

BobbyinTN wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:I heard about the healthcare issue, but a friend of mine was telling me that Obama's team of judges lumped homosexuality into the same category as incest. I sort of had my doubts that what my friend said was true so I thought I'd ask if anyone has heard about this too. It supposedly happened in the last 48 to 72 hours.
Bobby tn should know


Bobby tn lashed out. That was very uncalled for.


The homophobic bullshit on these forums is what's uncalled for, but I dont' see you addressing that.


Well people do have a right to their opinions and shouldn't be fired on for expressing them. I don't get pissed off at homosexual people for being gay. But I do get pissed off when the homosexual community hammers straights for voicing their opinion that they do not agree with gay lifestyle and behavor.
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Re: OT: How's the new President doing?

Postby Peartree12249 » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:57 am

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Hey don't blame me, I didn't invent our current system and I recognize that it's broken. My job is to help health care providers negotiate the myriad of government regulations and reimbursement systems so that they can provide health care to our frail elderly and get paid for it. My point is that anytime the 'Feds touch something they usually manage to screw it up, add layers of bureaucracy and cost. My point is that I don't have faith in our government to get it right. I don't care if the democrats or the republicans are in power.


Sounds to me that if Obama secures a national health care policy, you may be out of work?


I doubt it.
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Postby BobbyinTN » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:59 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
BobbyinTN wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:I heard about the healthcare issue, but a friend of mine was telling me that Obama's team of judges lumped homosexuality into the same category as incest. I sort of had my doubts that what my friend said was true so I thought I'd ask if anyone has heard about this too. It supposedly happened in the last 48 to 72 hours.
Bobby tn should know


Bobby tn lashed out. That was very uncalled for.


The homophobic bullshit on these forums is what's uncalled for, but I dont' see you addressing that.


Well people do have a right to their opinions and shouldn't be fired on for expressing them. I don't get pissed off at homosexual people for being gay. But I do get pissed off when the homosexual community hammers straights for voicing their opinion that they do not agree with gay lifestyle and behavor.



"lifestyle" "behavior"? Give me a fuckin' break.

I don't agree with your "lifestyle" either, but I don't try to limit your rights.
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Re: OT: How's the new President doing?

Postby Melissa » Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:01 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Melissa wrote: but the snag is controlled substances. Can't be done over the phone or computer, has to be a written RX, which is the way it should stay.


You would think a computer generated email (prescription), would be less likely to be altered versus a paper tablet.


Not with the RX's we have for those now, they have watermarks, heat-sesitivity rubbing areas, things that show up to void it if photocopied, and other security features, kind of like bank checks. They aren't the little white plain squares of paper anymore.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:09 am

BobbyinTN wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:
BobbyinTN wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:I heard about the healthcare issue, but a friend of mine was telling me that Obama's team of judges lumped homosexuality into the same category as incest. I sort of had my doubts that what my friend said was true so I thought I'd ask if anyone has heard about this too. It supposedly happened in the last 48 to 72 hours.
Bobby tn should know


Bobby tn lashed out. That was very uncalled for.


The homophobic bullshit on these forums is what's uncalled for, but I dont' see you addressing that.


Well people do have a right to their opinions and shouldn't be fired on for expressing them. I don't get pissed off at homosexual people for being gay. But I do get pissed off when the homosexual community hammers straights for voicing their opinion that they do not agree with gay lifestyle and behavor.



"lifestyle" "behavior"? Give me a fuckin' break.

I don't agree with your "lifestyle" either, but I don't try to limit your rights.


People who gave donations in support of Prop. 8 had all of their personal information such as name, employer, etc. posted in the local newspapers and on line. Who would do that and why would it be done? People who gave donations in support of "No on 8" didn't have their information posted like that. Every day more and more it proves that homosexuals want sympathizers on their side but won't sympathize for the rights of the straights.
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Postby Saint John » Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:46 am

BobbyinTN wrote:
"lifestyle" "behavior"? Give me a fuckin' break.

I don't agree with your "lifestyle" either, but I don't try to limit your rights.


Ok...starting tomorrow we'll all be gay and the world ends when we all die. Fantastic lifestyle, Bobby! Or...we can all be straight and live happily ever after. :idea:

That's just an argument to illustrate which lifestyle, if followed by all, is perilous and irresponsible. As an absolute, one seems to perpetuate life and the other seems to smother and kill it. Bobby, be gay. I have no problem with it. I'd sit down and have a beer with you without hesitation (but not out of the same glass :lol: :twisted: :P ). But don't think there isn't something wrong with your orientation. You were either born sexually deviant or choose to be.
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Postby BobbyinTN » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:22 am

Saint John wrote:
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"lifestyle" "behavior"? Give me a fuckin' break.

I don't agree with your "lifestyle" either, but I don't try to limit your rights.


Ok...starting tomorrow we'll all be gay and the world ends when we all die. Fantastic lifestyle, Bobby! Or...we can all be straight and live happily ever after. :idea:

That's just an argument to illustrate which lifestyle, if followed by all, is perilous and irresponsible. As an absolute, one seems to perpetuate life and the other seems to smother and kill it. Bobby, be gay. I have no problem with it. I'd sit down and have a beer with you without hesitation (but not out of the same glass :lol: :twisted: :P ). But don't think there isn't something wrong with your orientation. You were either born sexually deviant or choose to be.



Go paint your cave wall and then fuck yourself. I'm sure you'll enjoy it more than anyone else you've fucked.

Ignorance seems to go hand in hand with bigotry and stupidity.
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Postby JasonD » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:43 am

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Re: OT: How's the new President doing?

Postby youkeepmewaiting » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:45 am

Eric wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
texafana wrote:
BobbyinTN wrote:You're one of the most vile, reprehensible assholes I've ever encountered on a forum and you give these forums a REALLY fucked up reputation. Suck my cock you fuckin' wannabe!


Nicely done! :)

Obama's finally getting a taste of his own demise. Once the public wakes up to his "i have no idea what the funk I'm talking about but I sound good saying it" bullshit, it's game over for him.


You are the dumbest fuck on this board. Taste of his own demise? What the fuck are you babbling about, you bag of shit? The public did wake up, after that 8 year nightmare W put us through. Figures you would like W, you are from Texas after all. As for for Obama getting a taste of his own demise, he still has a 20+ favorable rating.


I'll take W all day over Obama


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Re: OT: How's the new President doing?

Postby Rick » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:54 am

youkeepmewaiting wrote:
Eric wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
texafana wrote:
BobbyinTN wrote:You're one of the most vile, reprehensible assholes I've ever encountered on a forum and you give these forums a REALLY fucked up reputation. Suck my cock you fuckin' wannabe!


Nicely done! :)

Obama's finally getting a taste of his own demise. Once the public wakes up to his "i have no idea what the funk I'm talking about but I sound good saying it" bullshit, it's game over for him.


You are the dumbest fuck on this board. Taste of his own demise? What the fuck are you babbling about, you bag of shit? The public did wake up, after that 8 year nightmare W put us through. Figures you would like W, you are from Texas after all. As for for Obama getting a taste of his own demise, he still has a 20+ favorable rating.


I'll take W all day over Obama


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Don't worry, the W supporters fall in at about 0.01% of the worlds population. :lol:
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Re: OT: How's the new President doing?

Postby Jana » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:58 am

Rick wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:
Eric wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
texafana wrote:
BobbyinTN wrote:You're one of the most vile, reprehensible assholes I've ever encountered on a forum and you give these forums a REALLY fucked up reputation. Suck my cock you fuckin' wannabe!


Nicely done! :)

Obama's finally getting a taste of his own demise. Once the public wakes up to his "i have no idea what the funk I'm talking about but I sound good saying it" bullshit, it's game over for him.


You are the dumbest fuck on this board. Taste of his own demise? What the fuck are you babbling about, you bag of shit? The public did wake up, after that 8 year nightmare W put us through. Figures you would like W, you are from Texas after all. As for for Obama getting a taste of his own demise, he still has a 20+ favorable rating.


I'll take W all day over Obama


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Don't worry, the W supporters fall in at about 0.01% of the worlds population. :lol:


That many? :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol:
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Postby donnaplease » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:42 am

Universal health care scares the crap outta me. Anyone who says all Americans don't have access to health care is wrong. All Americans do have access to health care. The question is how it's paid for. Some have insurance, some have health care savings plans, some have Medicare/Medicaid. Those that are left either pay out of pocket, or don't pay at all. They generally don't get turned away though for health care needs.

It is my fear that as our country moves toward universal health care that the quality of those services will suffer. I work directly with Medicare and Medicaid, our current government-run programs, and there are definite flaws. For example, Medicare limits the amount of services they provide in post-acute care/skilled nursing & rehab care to 100 days under Medicare A. Of that 100 days, the first 20 are covered at 100%, but days 21-100 require a co-pay of almost $150 per day before they begin to pay! If you don't have private co-insurance or Medicaid, you're expected to pay that. Think how quickly that adds up! Now, in Virginia, Medicaid covers transportation costs from nursing facilities to appointments. However, you have to give like a 48 hour notice to get them to pay for it. So, if someone takes a turn for the worse and needs to go out to see their doctor, they either have to wait the 48 hours or tie up the public 911 system for something that may not be a true emergency. Therefore, someone having a true emergency may not get the life saving attention they need because the ambulance is being utilized as a transport service. Not good, people.

I don't believe universal health care is the answer, but I DO wholeheartedly believe the system we have needs a major overhaul. Hospitals charging $9 for an aspirin is ridiculous. The cost of malpractice insurance is cost-prohibitive for some specialties. We have a local hospital who has just recently stopped delivering babies because of that very reason. The next closest hospital is 40 or so minutes away. That can be critical time for a mother or baby in crisis. Greed is the root of all evil it seems, and it's a shame.

There is no easy answer, but I personally think we're headed down the wrong path.
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Postby treetopovskaya » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:49 am

A woman in Arizona named Janet Contreras writes an open letter to our nation's leadership...

I'm a home grown American citizen, 53, registered Democrat all my life. Before the last presidential election I registered as a Republican because I no longer felt the Democratic Party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. Now I no longer feel the Republican Party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. The fact is I no longer feel any political party or representative in Washington represents my views or works to pursue the issues important to me. There must be someone. Please tell me who you are. Please stand up and tell me that you are there and that you're willing to fight for our Constitution as it was written. Please stand up now. You might ask yourself what my views and issues are that I would horribly feel so disenfranchised by both major political parties. What kind of nut job am I? Will you please tell me?

Well, these are briefly my views and issues for which I seek representation:

One, illegal immigration. I want you to stop coddling illegal immigrants and secure our borders. Close the underground tunnels. Stop the violence and the trafficking in drugs and people. No amnesty, not again. Been there, done that, no resolution. P.S., I'm not a racist. This isn't to be confused with legal immigration.

Two, the TARP bill, I want it repealed and I want no further funding supplied to it. We told you no, but you did it anyway. I want the remaining unfunded 95% repealed. Freeze, repeal.

Three: Czars, I want the circumvention of our checks and balances stopped immediately. Fire the czars. No more czars. Government officials answer to the process, not to the president. Stop trampling on our Constitution and honor it.

Four, cap and trade. The debate on global warming is not over. There is more to say.

Five, universal healthcare. I will not be rushed into another expensive decision. Don't you dare try to pass this in the middle of the night and then go on break. Slow down!

Six, growing government control. I want states rights and sovereignty fully restored. I want less government in my life, not more. Shrink it down. Mind your own business. You have enough to take care of with your real obligations. Why don't you start there.

Seven, ACORN. I do not want ACORN and its affiliates in charge of our 2010 census. I want them investigated. I also do not want mandatory escrow fees contributed to them every time on every real estate deal that closes. Stop the funding to ACORN and its affiliates pending impartial audits and investigations. I do not trust them with taking the census over with our taxpayer money. I don't trust them with our taxpayer money. Face up to the allegations against them and get it resolved before taxpayers get any more involved with them. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, hello. Stop protecting your political buddies. You work for us, the people. Investigate.

Eight, redistribution of wealth. No, no, no. I work for my money. It is mine. I have always worked for people with more money than I have because they gave me jobs. That is the only redistribution of wealth that I will support. I never got a job from a poor person. Why do you want me to hate my employers? Why -- what do you have against shareholders making a profit?

Nine, charitable contributions. Although I never got a job from a poor person, I have helped many in need. Charity belongs in our local communities, where we know our needs best and can use our local talent and our local resources. Butt out, please. We want to do it ourselves.

Ten, corporate bailouts. Knock it off. Sink or swim like the rest of us. If there are hard times ahead, we'll be better off just getting into it and letting the strong survive. Quick and painful. Have you ever ripped off a Band-Aid? We will pull together. Great things happen in America under great hardship. Give us the chance to innovate. We cannot disappoint you more than you have disappointed us.

Eleven, transparency and accountability. How about it? No, really, how about it? Let's have it. Let's say we give the buzzwords a rest and have some straight honest talk. Please try -- please stop manipulating and trying to appease me with clever wording. I am not the idiot you obviously take me for. Stop sneaking around and meeting in back rooms making deals with your friends. It will only be a prelude to your criminal investigation. Stop hiding things from me.

Twelve, unprecedented quick spending. Stop it now.

Take a breath. Listen to the people. Let's just slow down and get some input from some nonpoliticians on the subject. Stop making everything an emergency. Stop speed reading our bills into law. I am not an activist. I am not a community organizer. Nor am I a terrorist, a militant or a violent person. I am a parent and a grandparent. I work. I'm busy. I'm busy. I am busy, and I am tired. I thought we elected competent people to take care of the business of government so that we could work, raise our families, pay our bills, have a little recreation, complain about taxes, endure our hardships, pursue our personal goals, cut our lawn, wash our cars on the weekends and be responsible contributing members of society and teach our children to be the same all while living in the home of the free and land of the brave.

I entrusted you with upholding the Constitution. I believed in the checks and balances to keep from getting far off course. What happened? You are very far off course. Do you really think I find humor in the hiring of a speed reader to unintelligently ramble all through a bill that you signed into law without knowing what it contained? I do not. It is a mockery of the responsibility I have entrusted to you. It is a slap in the face. I am not laughing at your arrogance. Why is it that I feel as if you would not trust me to make a single decision about my own life and how I would live it but you should expect that I should trust you with the debt that you have laid on all of us and our children. We did not want the TARP bill. We said no. We would repeal it if we could. I am sure that we still cannot. There is such urgency and recklessness in all of the recent spending.

From my perspective, it seems that all of you have gone insane. I also know that I am far from alone in these feelings. Do you honestly feel that your current pursuits have merit to patriotic Americans? We want it to stop. We want to put the brakes on everything that is being rushed by us and forced upon us. We want our voice back. You have forced us to put our lives on hold to straighten out the mess that you are making. We will have to give up our vacations, our time spent with our children, any relaxation time we may have had and money we cannot afford to spend on you to bring our concerns to Washington. Our president often knows all the right buzzword is unsustainable. Well, no kidding. How many tens of thousands of dollars did the focus group cost to come up with that word? We don't want your overpriced words. Stop treating us like we're morons.

We want all of you to stop focusing on your reelection and do the job we want done, not the job you want done or the job your party wants done. You work for us and at this rate I guarantee you not for long because we are coming. We will be heard and we will be represented. You think we're so busy with our lives that we will never come for you? We are the formerly silent majority, all of us who quietly work , pay taxes, obey the law, vote, save money, keep our noses to the grindstone and we are now looking up at you. You have awakened us, the patriotic spirit so strong and so powerful that it had been sleeping too long. You have pushed us too far. Our numbers are great. They may surprise you. For every one of us who will be there, there will be hundreds more that could not come. Unlike you, we have their trust. We will represent them honestly, rest assured. They will be at the polls on voting day to usher you out of office. We have cancelled vacations. We will use our last few dollars saved. We will find the representation among us and a grassroots campaign will flourish. We didn't ask for this fight. But the gloves are coming off. We do not come in violence, but we are angry. You will represent us or you will be replaced with someone who will. There are candidates among us when he will rise like a Phoenix from the ashes that you have made of our constitution.

Democrat, Republican, independent, libertarian. Understand this. We don't care. Political parties are meaningless to us. Patriotic Americans are willing to do right by us and our Constitution and that is all that matters to us now. We are going to fire all of you who abuse power and seek more. It is not your power. It is ours and we want it back. We entrusted you with it and you abused it. You are dishonorable. You are dishonest. As Americans we are ashamed of you. You have brought shame to us. If you are not representing the wants and needs of your constituency loudly and consistently, in spite of the objections of your party, you will be fired. Did you hear? We no longer care about your political parties. You need to be loyal to us, not to them. Because we will get you fired and they will not save you. If you do or can represent me, my issues, my views, please stand up. Make your identity known. You need to make some noise about it. Speak up. I need to know who you are. If you do not speak up, you will be herded out with the rest of the sheep and we will replace the whole damn congress if need be one by one. We are coming. Are we coming for you? Who do you represent? What do you represent? Listen. Because we are coming. We, the people, are coming.
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:54 am

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Jason, I am fine with gay folks. I support the right for gays to marry. I take a lot of shit on this site for being "too liberal." I think gays should have every single right straights do. Gays are human beings. Gays are our equals. However, gays should not be given special rights.

I would never have said a word, but that assbandit Bobbinupanddownforcocks in Tennessee shouted out and I had to respond.
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Postby treetopovskaya » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:57 am

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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:04 pm

donnaplease wrote:Universal health care scares the crap outta me. Anyone who says all Americans don't have access to health care is wrong. All Americans do have access to health care. The question is how it's paid for. Some have insurance, some have health care savings plans, some have Medicare/Medicaid. Those that are left either pay out of pocket, or don't pay at all. They generally don't get turned away though for health care needs.


Donna, I understand where you are coming from, being in the medical industry, but that is a complete lie.

No one can say for certain that health care will suffer. tell that to someone who does not have it. You have insurance. Not everyone does. It is a simple argument I present, and I am not as educated on this topic as Hillary Clinton(and she knows her shit), but my argument is that every legal American citizen should have health care. Canada gets it. It's the humanly thing to do.

Enough about money. Make it available, make it work and make it for everyone who needs it.
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Postby artist4perry » Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:07 pm

donnaplease wrote:Universal health care scares the crap outta me. Anyone who says all Americans don't have access to health care is wrong. All Americans do have access to health care. The question is how it's paid for. Some have insurance, some have health care savings plans, some have Medicare/Medicaid. Those that are left either pay out of pocket, or don't pay at all. They generally don't get turned away though for health care needs.

It is my fear that as our country moves toward universal health care that the quality of those services will suffer. I work directly with Medicare and Medicaid, our current government-run programs, and there are definite flaws. For example, Medicare limits the amount of services they provide in post-acute care/skilled nursing & rehab care to 100 days under Medicare A. Of that 100 days, the first 20 are covered at 100%, but days 21-100 require a co-pay of almost $150 per day before they begin to pay! If you don't have private co-insurance or Medicaid, you're expected to pay that. Think how quickly that adds up! Now, in Virginia, Medicaid covers transportation costs from nursing facilities to appointments. However, you have to give like a 48 hour notice to get them to pay for it. So, if someone takes a turn for the worse and needs to go out to see their doctor, they either have to wait the 48 hours or tie up the public 911 system for something that may not be a true emergency. Therefore, someone having a true emergency may not get the life saving attention they need because the ambulance is being utilized as a transport service. Not good, people.

I don't believe universal health care is the answer, but I DO wholeheartedly believe the system we have needs a major overhaul. Hospitals charging $9 for an aspirin is ridiculous. The cost of malpractice insurance is cost-prohibitive for some specialties. We have a local hospital who has just recently stopped delivering babies because of that very reason. The next closest hospital is 40 or so minutes away. That can be critical time for a mother or baby in crisis. Greed is the root of all evil it seems, and it's a shame.

There is no easy answer, but I personally think we're headed down the wrong path.


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