Gideon wrote:donnaplease wrote:You're gonna build some great leg muscles, with all the back-pedaling you're doing.
Nonsense. The muscles are gained from chasing you. Chicken.donnaplease wrote:Really, you never clarified personal or professional til just now. It started out as SP's a bigger asshole than Arnel, and then it caught fire. It's been as fun as it's been irritating...
I'll certainly take responsibility for not labeling it, but it should have been obvious when I didn't even attempt to go near Perry's professional life. This is a Journey board and as someone who recognizes the obvious personal, moral, and emotional deficits some of these members have demonstrated, I couldn't care less how they are at home. We hear horror stories all the time regarding the personal lives of singers and musicians; a lot of them are serious assholes. That's why I don't bother discussing Perry's relationship with Sherrie or Neal's divorces; it has fuck all to do with the band itself.
But the conflicts that pertain directly to the band? Their shitcanning of JSS, SA, Ross Valory, Steve Smith, and HH? The so-called Tapegate scandal? The Trial By Fire fiasco? Those are all things to be discussed and things by which to take the band to task for.
Perry does not enjoy sovereign immunity because he is Steve Perry.donnaplease wrote:As for the rest of your post, IDK if I agree with it or not. I never put the eff-ups (I'm really trying not to curse anymore, so it's a real challenge to post on this board) side by side to compare and contrast. But have you ever heard of the term 'negligence'. Certainly as intelligent as you are, you're familiar with it. One could argue that Neal's negligence with regard to the running of "HIS BAND" led to SP taking the reigns to start with. Sometimes not doing anything is as bad, or worse, than actually doing something.
One could, but one would still be [forced?] to comprehend that that still doesn't mitigate Perry's actions.donnaplease wrote:Now, it's not above my reasoning that I'm just a LOON, and I always see the Perry cup as half full. I will almost always fall on his side of the fence, simply 'cause he's cuter...[
So there...
Joking aside, the Loon mentality is a dangerous one. Be a fan of Neal Schon and Steve Perry for their musicianship or their charisma or whatever. But to turn a blind eye to their faults and their poor decisions simply because one is the Voice? That's the kind of thinking that ends up in Hitler fanworship.
You're so full of that runny brown stuff that's sitting snugly in your under-roos. First of all, I think you may have made a freudian slip in your post above when you said you never discussed their 'professional' lives. I bet you meant 'personal' lives, right? If that's the case, though, you just made yourself out to be a fibber, because as I pointed out, in your first quote that I listed, you at first compared them professionally, then contrasted them by way of their personality (ie "personal"). Now, in the second quote of yours, as well as the third, you used the term 'better human being' which does not describe an employee or professional characteristic, but... lemme think... a "personal" one. Now the final quote of yours that I reference once again calls Perry an asshole, which is generally not a term used to describe someone's work ethic.
Perry does not enjoy sovereign immunity because he is Steve Perry.
Of course he does. He's SMFP, after all...
the Loon mentality is a dangerous one. Be a fan of Neal Schon and Steve Perry for their musicianship or their charisma or whatever. But to turn a blind eye to their faults and their poor decisions simply because one is the Voice?
I agree with this. But I am proud to call myself a loon. Some of the former anti-loons (who I later discovered were really closet-loons) like Dean and Niggy tell me I don't meet the definition of a true loon, but I wear it as a badge of honor. In all honesty, I know SP is a fallible human being. I am a huge fan, but I don't resort to hunting him down (although had I known he lived in LaJolla when I lived in Point Loma, I can't be responsible for what I would've done...) or some of that crazy stuff that people do. Steve Perry to me is the most important and relevant member of Journey past or present, and he is the reason I'm a fan. Other folks are fans for different reasons, I know. That's why it takes all kinds of us to make this place work.
Oh, and one is not the Voice. Stephen Ray Perry is and will always be THE VOICE. Can I get an amen...?
(See, I do have a sense of humor when it comes to the object of my affection. That's SP, not you Giddy... 
