Love the interaction between Arnel and Neal

[Peartree12249]

As far as I'm aware, I am the first to use it. I could be mistaken.

And you should get your own logo, absolutely. You could have it displayed proudly on your straight jackets and complementary muzzles.

You can muzzle us, but as long as we have fingers to type we will not be silenced. Long live the Brotherhood of the Beak!

[Rick]

Very nice intro and I am in no way trying to start anything here. AP version is not completely original to the song. Seems I've seen and heard another version as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwomtSel37A

That was my first thought also.

Who's the keyboard player on the clip? That's one of the coolest videos, ever.

[steveo777]

Neal cannot afford not to love Arnel.

[madsplash]

Yes he had to pay, HE wanted to "move on", he should have had to pay. And yes, Perry was toast and made a solo record 2 YEARS later. That's not enough time? And he WAS all set to tour and needed a friggin' hip replacement. NOBODY can decide when someone should have MAJOR SURGERY until that person is ready. If you really give a shit about the legacy of the band, YOU WAIT, no matter how long it takes.

Yeah, I can see why The Voice would still wanna be pals with him.

YOU wake up.

No.

First, Perry truncated the tour because he "was toast" or "burnt out" or whatever. Understandable. He did not, however, mention that he wanted to slide in a solo album. But he did. And karma bitchslapped it into the depths of oblivion for his deceit.

You submit that they had a responsibility to them. Well, he had a responsibility to them. One he failed.

Period.

No.

He truncated the tour and then slid in the solo album 2 YEARS LATER. You seem not to get the fact that he could be burnt out, take a year or so off, and be ready to record new music on his own. That's not hard to understand, is it? And it wasn't karma, it was Sony who didn't want to release it because they we're crying about him not being with Journey on that record.

He failed nothing. "Someone" needed money from the TBF tour and was pissed when the cash cow wouldn't have surgery when they thought that he should. I'm glad SP told them to shove the ultimatum up their ass and think it's great that he made them pay through the nose to record and tour without him.

[Gideon]

Yes.

Accepted.

He truncated the tour and then slid in the solo album 2 YEARS LATER.

Irrelevant. It was the excuse that he gave the rest of the band. He didn't want to continue singing because he was "toast."

You seem not to get the fact that he could be burnt out, take a year or so off, and be ready to record new music on his own.

Irrelevant. He told the band that he didn't want to tour anymore because he was "toast." And then he turns around and records without them.

Fracture the stone my ass.

That's not hard to understand, is it?

That rather than return to the band who gave him his career on a silver platter he tried to record an inexcusably shitty album that no one cared about?

No, it's not hard at all.

And it wasn't karma, it was Sony who didn't want to release it because they we're crying about him not being with Journey on that record.

Karma isn't exactly a living entity. Sony's decision to axe the shitty album was karma; indirect but oh-so-deserved. That's not hard to understand, is it?

He failed nothing.

He failed everyone from 1985 on out.

"Someone" needed money from the TBF tour and was pissed when his cash cow wouldn't have surgery when he thought that HE should.

They gave him a year. "Someone" got pissed because the rest of the band wouldn't sit on their asses for him again. For all they knew, it was an excuse for him to back out and try to record another solo album.

I'm glad SP told them to shove the ultimatum up their ass

That's a colorful interpretation of Perry's reported begging session. "Please give me time!" "PLEASE don't fracture the stone!" "PLEASE leave Journey alone."

Pathetic.

and think it's great that he made them pay through the nose to record and tour without him.

Well, being the wart on Perry's ass really does make simple logic hard, so I can't fault you too much.

[Jana]

Yes he had to pay, HE wanted to "move on", he should have had to pay. And yes, Perry was toast and made a solo record 2 YEARS later. That's not enough time? And he WAS all set to tour and needed a friggin' hip replacement. NOBODY can decide when someone should have MAJOR SURGERY until that person is ready. If you really give a shit about the legacy of the band, YOU WAIT, no matter how long it takes.

Yeah, I can see why The Voice would still wanna be pals with him.

YOU wake up.

No.

First, Perry truncated the tour because he "was toast" or "burnt out" or whatever. Understandable. He did not, however, mention that he wanted to slide in a solo album. But he did. And karma bitchslapped it into the depths of oblivion for his deceit.

You submit that they had a responsibility to them. Well, he had a responsibility to them. One he failed.

Period.

No.

He truncated the tour and then slid in the solo album 2 YEARS LATER. You seem not to get the fact that he could be burnt out, take a year or so off, and be ready to record new music on his own. That's not hard to understand, is it? And it wasn't karma, it was Sony who didn't want to release it because they we're crying about him not being with Journey on that record.

He failed nothing. "Someone" needed money from the TBF tour and was pissed when the cash cow wouldn't have surgery when they thought that he should. I'm glad SP told them to shove the ultimatum up their ass and think it's great that he made them pay through the nose to record and tour without him.

Splashy, get a grip. It's not the failed album attempt two years later. I don't have a problem with that. It's that after '87 he really had no contact with them (his band) and then went to work on FTLOSM in '94, seven years after ROR tour, and it's been reported on here already he was basically pushed by Sony to reunite with Journey in '96, almost ten years later, with little to no contect in that period with Neal or Jon. He could care less about these guys. And that's fine. If the solo career is what he wanted, he should go for it. And if he wanted to retire after '96, that's fine too. He doesn't owe anyone. But get your blinders off about his love for this band after '87. His interest was in his solo career. I'm glad Sony pushed him and he did the TBF. Nice present for the fans.

[Gideon]

Splashy, get a grip. It's not the failed album attempt two years later. I don't have a problem with that.

I do, and for a couple reasons.

First, if he had had that pesky "legal divorce" and announced that he was quitting the band, that would have been one thing. But he didn't. Perry left them hanging while he tried to make the transition back from toast to white bread. And then he tried to record a solo album.

Second, it renders the whole "lawlz frakshur teh stone" comment woefully hypocritical. He fractured the stone in '87 and then in '94. And his recourse is to bitch when the band gets tired of waiting (for over a year!) for him to make up his fucking mind.

[perryswoman]

Yea I am glad he did Trial By Fire too. Definitely one of my favorites!! I definitely think he and Neal had a love hate relationship and he just like to have too much control in a band and that's why he preferred solo. I think he is a loner by nature and the band thing just was not for him.

[Gideon]

Yea I am glad he did Trial By Fire too. Definitely one of my favorites!!

It's hands down (in my opinion) the best album Journey put out in their entire career. The songs were the best-written, best-played, and in some regards, the best sung.

I definitely think he and Neal had a love hate relationship and he just like to have too much control in a band and that's why he preferred solo. I think he is a loner by nature and the band thing just was not for him.

I'm sure it was largely due to a clash of egos. Neal Schon's first comment regarding "Open Arms" was "What am I going to do?" To enjoy a healthy membership with the band, there are clearly a lot of egos to massage. Steve Perry got a taste of power and success and realized, understandably so, that he could do his own thing; a solo career where the only ego that mattered was his.

That's fine. He just should have handled the execution better.

[steveo777]

I agree that SP showed no caring for the rest of the bandmates after ROR. He basically left them dangling for years, until TBF. So after that when he would not make up his mind and come back, what the hell else was there to do...wait indefinitely? I can see where the rest of the band might have thought...same shit, different year...time to move on without him. They were justified. There might not be a Journey today of Schon didn't take some direction.

[Esc]

Neal cannot afford not to love Arnel.

cant say the same with Cain.
See arnel walk towards him and didnt even give him a glance.
me thinks he's having his monthly period.

btw, im missing the original key.
it sounds so much better, but arnel goes flat on the high notes.
jeremey blows him away on DSB.

[stevew2]

Neal cannot afford not to love Arnel.

cant say the same with Cain.
See arnel walk towards him and didnt even give him a glance.
me thinks he's having his monthly period.

btw, im missing the original key.
it sounds so much better, but arnel goes flat on the high notes.
jeremey blows him away on DSB.

Friga loves himself to much,Jeremey blows Arnel away on every song

[Don]

Time for a nightcap

[Don]

Neal cannot afford not to love Arnel.

cant say the same with Cain.
See arnel walk towards him and didnt even give him a glance.
me thinks he's having his monthly period.

btw, im missing the original key.
it sounds so much better, but arnel goes flat on the high notes.
jeremey blows him away on DSB.

Friga loves himself to much,Jeremey blows Arnel away on every song

I don't think it's Arnel's choice to sing stepped down but now, you can hear a big dfference between him and Jeremey. AP is sounding more like JSS on his high notes as they flatten out.

[stevew2]

Its hard to sing them songs after you hit 40 in the original key night after night

[stevew2]

Time for a nightcap

Chug a lug GB

[Esc]

Neal cannot afford not to love Arnel.

cant say the same with Cain.
See arnel walk towards him and didnt even give him a glance.
me thinks he's having his monthly period.

btw, im missing the original key.
it sounds so much better, but arnel goes flat on the high notes.
jeremey blows him away on DSB.

Friga loves himself to much,Jeremey blows Arnel away on every song

thats debateable.

[Don]

Its hard to sing them songs after you hit 40 in the original key night after night

Perry was 45 during his FTLOSM tour and we see how he sounded. All the halfstepping in the world ain't gonna slow the clock on AP. He needs to make hay while the sun shines because dusk is closing in. Let the dude sing in the original key. What's downtuning going to get them, 60 more shows max when it's all said and done, half a tour? Is it really worth it?

[stevew2]

Its hard to sing them songs after you hit 40 in the original key night after night

Perry was 45 during his FTLOSM tour and we see how he sounded. All the halfstepping in the world ain't gonna slow the clock on AP. He needs to make hay while the sunshines because dusk is closing in. Let the dude sing in the original key. What's downtuning going to get them, 60 more shows max when it's all said and done, half a tour? Is that worth it to sing a halfstep Down?

It is worth it to Journey,they might make it through the tour,otherwise they wont ,thats why they did it.

[Don]

I'm listening to TBF right now and it's like prozak. If they step it down, they'll be in fucking reverse already.

[stevew2]

I'm listening to TBF right now and it's like prozak. If they step it down, they'll be in fucking reverse already. Glad I heard WYLAW last year. After hearing One More, I can see why they're not doing any other TBF tunes.

Lights really sucks stepped down

[Don]

I'm listening to TBF right now and it's like prozak. If they step it down, they'll be in fucking reverse already. Glad I heard WYLAW last year. After hearing One More, I can see why they're not doing any other TBF tunes.

Lights really sucks stepped down

Don't you lesson the vibration when you step down as it becomes flatter? All the older stuff which is reverb heavy will sound like plain vanilla.

[Esc]

hey Gb, i gulped two of these while listening to arnel's one more.
didnt work. still couldnt appreciate it.

i thought they said it has cocaine in it.

[stevew2]

A few songs stepped down would have been fine,but not the whole show

[Don]

I'm listening to something about rain and it's knocking me out. They could have TBF go double platinum by marketing it as a sleeping aid for insomniacs.

[stevew2]

I'm listening to something about rain and it's knocking me out. They could have TBF go double platinum by marketing it as a sleeping aid for insomniacs.

That is a cool song,i never heard a song like that from any band,The bass drives that song,i wonder if Ross wrote that bass part

[stevew2]

I'm listening to something about rain and it's knocking me out. They could have TBF go double platinum by marketing it as a sleeping aid for insomniacs.

That is a cool song,i never heard a song like that from any band,The bass drives that song,i wonder if Ross wrote that bass part

I agree with you....it is a slow and mellow song but it's my favorite on TBF.....love the flow of it.

Hi Blueskies,I hope all is well with you

[Blueskies]

I'm listening to something about rain and it's knocking me out. They could have TBF go double platinum by marketing it as a sleeping aid for insomniacs.

That is a cool song,i never heard a song like that from any band,The bass drives that song,i wonder if Ross wrote that bass part

I agree with you....it is a slow and mellow song but it's my favorite on TBF.....love the flow of it.

Hi Blueskies,I hope all is well with you

what happened to my post? oh well...been getting a bunch of critical errors again too when trying to click on a thread.
Anyway...
I'm doing well, Steve...thanks. How about you?

[stevew2]

I'm listening to something about rain and it's knocking me out. They could have TBF go double platinum by marketing it as a sleeping aid for insomniacs.

That is a cool song,i never heard a song like that from any band,The bass drives that song,i wonder if Ross wrote that bass part

I agree with you....it is a slow and mellow song but it's my favorite on TBF.....love the flow of it.

Hi Blueskies,I hope all is well with you

what happened to my post? oh well...been getting a bunch of critical errors again too when trying to click on a thread.
Anyway...
I'm doing well, Steve...thanks. How about you?

Thanks for asking, im doing good,but fading fast,you have a good night,take care my friend

[Blueskies]

I'm listening to something about rain and it's knocking me out. They could have TBF go double platinum by marketing it as a sleeping aid for insomniacs.

That is a cool song,i never heard a song like that from any band,The bass drives that song,i wonder if Ross wrote that bass part

I agree with you....it is a slow and mellow song but it's my favorite on TBF.....love the flow of it.

Hi Blueskies,I hope all is well with you

what happened to my post? oh well...been getting a bunch of critical errors again too when trying to click on a thread.
Anyway...
I'm doing well, Steve...thanks. How about you?

Thanks for asking, im doing good,but fading fast,you have a good night,take care my friend

You too.....goodnight....sleep well.