Who would you want to see return more?

[Gideon]

You just proved you have not an intellectual take on Journey ,

This coming from the man so consumed with bitterness that, to quote Steveo, he "unenjoyed" a concert with the band? Hell, IIRC, you once said that a concerted you'd attended with Steve Augeri "just may" be better than anything with Perry.

Pardon me if I don't find you the arbiter of what is and what is not intellectual.

its' history or it's personnel. hat a dumb fucking statement.

When lecturing another on his or her intellect, be sure to use basic grammar. This should read:

"[...]its history or its personal. What a dumb fucking statement."

Carry on with your little nuggets of wisdom.

Castronovo can't carry Smith's sticks and he knows it too. Ask him if you don't believe me.

I'll get right on that; how did you know that the two of us were such good friends?

Smith is a vocalists dream drummer.

This coming from all of your professional vocal experience?

he knows when to and not to soften the strikes and hits around words.

You make it sound so sensual... do I detect some sort of man crush?

Perry loved Smith.

Who gives a shit? No one was dissing Smith or even saying that Deen was better. And how do you know he wouldn't love Deen more?

Arnel doesn't know better or frankly could care less what the fuck is happening behind him.

Proof?

And then you can explain how that's relevant.

Gideon, you know not what you speak of.

Sorry, I was too busy replaying our last little slugging match, where you threatened to "lulz unleash teh beast" or "kick my ass" or some other contrived threat and then, a page later, you backed out.

Keep it up, Deano!

[Rockindeano]

When lecturing another on his or her intellect, be sure to use basic grammar. This should read:

"[...]its history or its personal. What a dumb fucking statement."

You sure about that? Personal? Um, no, I think I was rightly correct with its personnel, as in plural, people in the band. Personal? Go back to English 101. Nothing like correcting, or trying to correct someone who had it right the first time, calling him out, and you yourself having it very wrong. I can write you under the table little boy.

Carry on with your little nuggets of wisdom.

I will, thank you.

[Gideon]

You sure about that? Personal? Um, no, I think I was rightly correct with its personnel, as in plural, people in the band. Personal? Go back to English 101. Nothing like correcting, or trying to correct someone who had it right the first time, calling him out, and you yourself having it very wrong.

Well played, sir.

I can write you under the table little boy.

Not really, no. The fact that I screwed up (admittedly so!) doesn't mitigate the fact that you, Captain Intellectual himself, screwed up repeatedly initially. And at least I spelled "personal" right.

I win.

I will, thank you.

To quote Donnaplease:

"What about the rest of my post?"

[Voyager]

The closest I could come to an answer would be Steve Smith, however, I choose none of the above. I like the band the way it is right now. Nothing needs to be replaced. They got machine working nice right now.

Yep, akin to a YUGO.

Speaking of Yugo... when are they going to get Hugo in the band?

[Gideon]

The closest I could come to an answer would be Steve Smith, however, I choose none of the above. I like the band the way it is right now. Nothing needs to be replaced. They got machine working nice right now.

Yep, akin to a YUGO.

Speaking of Yugo... when are they going to get Hugo in the band?

He sounds so thin. Nice range, but no power.

[Rockindeano]

Not really, no. The fact that I screwed up (admittedly so!) doesn't mitigate the fact that you, Captain Intellectual himself, screwed up repeatedly initially. And at least I spelled "personal" right.

No, I don't want to use the word "personal." I want to use the word "personnel." Go look it up and come back and admit defeat for the second time in less than 15 minutes.

I win.

No, I win. You will never beat me dude, never.

To quote Donnaplease:

"What about the rest of my post?"

Your post was not cropped and taken out of context, so stop trying to spin it as such. I find it very hard to read your posts. It's like reading a message from that fuckin computer, Joshua, in War Games, stuttering out a message in coded computer form. Get a personality, lose the Harvard wannabe attitude and live a little.

D-O Y-O-U S-T-I-L-L W-A-N-T TO P-L-A-Y T-H-E- G-A-M-E G-I-D-E-O-N?

I don't subscribe to the MAD(Mutually Assured Destruction) theory here at MR. In real life, yes of course, but if you think you can rally and create a MAD result, you are sorely mistaken. If I get a chance to bury you I will, and then step on your fucking neck and rip your dome off, and then pound it with a shovel for good measure.

[SusieP]

Smitty.

What a technician.

I've gone all nostalgic now.

[Don]

[SF-Dano]

Lastly, Smith vs. Deen? I'm going to have to go with Deen. Smith's drumming never impressed me until Trial By Fire. It seemed like he was held completely in check by either Schon or Perry or both. Deen's a serious monster whose drumming on Revelation is just as good as Smith's in TBF.

You just proved you have not an intellectual take on Journey , its' history or it's personnel. What a dumb fucking statement.

Castronovo can't carry Smith's sticks and he knows it too. Ask him if you don't believe me.


Smith is a vocalists dream drummer. he knows when to and not to soften the strikes and hits around words. Perry loved Smith. Arnel doesn't know better or frankly could care less what the fuck is happening behind him.

Gideon, you know not what you speak of.

If Perry loved Smith so much, why the ousting for ROR?

IMO Smith is better than Deen, but not by the huge margin some are making this out to be. At least not as far as playing for a rock band goes. In fact for Rock music, Castronovo might have a slight edge. Now, if we are talking Jazz or Blues or fusion, well then Smitty takes the prize.

[portland]

Not really, no. The fact that I screwed up (admittedly so!) doesn't mitigate the fact that you, Captain Intellectual himself, screwed up repeatedly initially. And at least I spelled "personal" right.

No, I don't want to use the word "personal." I want to use the word "personnel." Go look it up and come back and admit defeat for the second time in less than 15 minutes.

I win.

No, I win. You will never beat me dude, never.

To quote Donnaplease:

"What about the rest of my post?"

Your post was not cropped and taken out of context, so stop trying to spin it as such. I find it very hard to read your posts. It's like reading a message from that fuckin computer, Joshua, in War Games, stuttering out a message in coded computer form. Get a personality, lose the Harvard wannabe attitude and live a little.

D-O Y-O-U S-T-I-L-L W-A-N-T TO P-L-A-Y T-H-E- G-A-M-E G-I-D-E-O-N?

I don't subscribe to the MAD(Mutually Assured Destruction) theory here at MR. In real life, yes of course, but if you think you can rally and create a MAD result, you are sorely mistaken. If I get a chance to bury you I will, and then step on your fucking neck and rip your dome off, and then pound it with a shovel for good measure.

[Jana]

I love Smitty's finesse in drumming. It's really something. But after all these years I adore Deen on the drums and with the band. My dream would be to see Rolie on stage performing with the band now, and that's including Cain. Just a big jamboree up there going back in their catalogue. Come on, Journey, you can do it. Make it happen for a limited run during the U.S. tour.

[Aaron]

Wow, where the hell did all of the JSS freaks go? I can't believe there's not hundreds of votes for him.

[Gideon]

No, I don't want to use the word "personal." I want to use the word "personnel." Go look it up and come back and admit defeat for the second time in less than 15 minutes.

Please show me where I said you wanted to use the word "personal." This is largely irrelevant, but something I've come to expect from you. As someone who is all bluster and illusion, it's only fitting that the only weapon in your arsenal is deflection.

Try it on someone dumb enough to fall for it, which is likely restricted to your immediate family.

No, I win. You will never beat me dude, never.

Your very fragile ego notwithstanding, it's pretty hard to find a person around here who doesn't beat you on a constant basis. If you'd like, I can go hunting for the thread in which you tried to take Deacon and I on, begged us both for a throwdown, saying you'll kick all our asses or some such, and then a page later you begged for respite. I think Arianddu remembers it quite well.

Your post was not cropped and taken out of context, so stop trying to spin it as such. I find it very hard to read your posts. It's like reading a message from that fuckin computer, Joshua, in War Games, stuttering out a message in coded computer form. Get a personality, lose the Harvard wannabe attitude and live a little.

D-O Y-O-U S-T-I-L-L W-A-N-T TO P-L-A-Y T-H-E- G-A-M-E G-I-D-E-O-N?

I don't subscribe to the MAD(Mutually Assured Destruction) theory here at MR. In real life, yes of course, but if you think you can rally and create a MAD result, you are sorely mistaken.

No one said my post was taken out of context. You're just too stupid to read it properly. No one said Deen was more skilled than Smith.

If I get a chance to bury you I will, and then step on your fucking neck and rip your dome off, and then pound it with a shovel for good measure.

Colorful. And cute.

It's always fun to see an unsuccessful, overweight middle-aged fuck up declare his undying grudge against an eighteen year old when he's not attacking four members of a legendary band whose only crime is simply being more relevant than he is.

Keep it up, Deano.

[parfait]

Hey Gideon. Why do you keep arguing over other peoples oppinions? Who cares if someone spells a word wrong. You really just got to chill, man. You know, Smith is by far, without any doubt, the best drummer Journey ever had - there's a lot more to drumming than smashing the drums senseless.

[Gideon]

Hey Gideon. Why do you keep arguing over other peoples oppinions? Who cares if someone spells a word wrong. You really just got to chill, man. You know, Smith is by far, without any doubt, the best drummer Journey ever had - there's a lot more to drumming than smashing the drums senseless.

Posts like these are the things that only make situations worse. Dude, go back and read what I said. Seriously. Go back one page and read it. I didn't argue shit. I gave my opinion: nowhere did I say that Deen was a better drummer than Smith. Nowhere.

In fact, the reason this whole argument started is because Deano crawled out from under the fucking bridge that serves as his lair, decorated with colorful anti-Journey sentiments and a poster of Bruce Springsteen taped to the underside of the bridge (his brand of viagra), and told me that I was flat out wrong, lectured me on my intellect (all the while making the most laughable of grammatical errors), and flat out made shit up so as to cement his e-thug image. Basically, the entirety Rockindeano bag of tricks.

I'm all for arguing, I'm all for debating, I'm all for disagreeing, but I didn't do shit.

This was all him. Fact.

[Rockindeano]

Hey Gideon. Why do you keep arguing over other peoples oppinions? Who cares if someone spells a word wrong. You really just got to chill, man. You know, Smith is by far, without any doubt, the best drummer Journey ever had - there's a lot more to drumming than smashing the drums senseless.

Posts like these are the things that only make situations worse. Dude, go back and read what I said. Seriously. Go back one page and read it. I didn't argue shit. I gave my opinion: nowhere did I say that Deen was a better drummer than Smith. Nowhere.

In fact, the reason this whole argument started is because Deano crawled out from under the fucking bridge that serves as his lair, decorated with colorful anti-Journey sentiments and a poster of Bruce Springsteen taped to the underside of the bridge (his brand of viagra), and told me that I was flat out wrong, lectured me on my intellect (all the while making the most laughable of grammatical errors), and flat out made shit up so as to cement his e-thug image. Basically, the entirety Rockindeano bag of tricks.

I'm all for arguing, I'm all for debating, I'm all for disagreeing, but I didn't do shit.

This was all him. Fact.

I kicked your sorry ass little boy. Owned.

You told me I needed to use proper grammar. I ended up being correct, you were wrong. You will always be my bitch. So debating skills or no, the scoreboard never lies. You think you're smarter than you really are.

[Rockindeano]

It's always fun to see an unsuccessful, overweight middle-aged fuck up declare his undying grudge against an eighteen year old when he's not attacking four members of a legendary band whose only crime is simply being more relevant than he is.

Unsuccessful? I am? Overweight? about 25-30 pounds. Fuck up? Yep, you bet. Grudge? I have no grudge against some meek smart ass 18 year old. You crying now that the 43 yr old is picking on the all knowing 18 yr old? Don't like it, don't play. Grudge against a legendary band? Hardly. I would call it disdain, and souring on a once legendary band. Journey are hardly legendary with their 6th lead singer playing the hits made 25 years ago. And relevant? Whomever said I was trying to be relevant? I can tell you right now Journey is not relevant in the music industry. And as for Springsteen, Journey couldn't play the same stage with him ever.


Talk about deflection? LOL, try again junior. Let me know when you get your bachelor's degree.

[Gideon]

I kicked your sorry ass little boy. Owned.

You told me I needed to use proper grammar. I ended up being correct, you were wrong. You will always be my bitch. So debating skills or no, the scoreboard never lies. You think you're smarter than you really are.

I seemed to strike a nerve...

[Rockindeano]

I kicked your sorry ass little boy. Owned.

You told me I needed to use proper grammar. I ended up being correct, you were wrong. You will always be my bitch. So debating skills or no, the scoreboard never lies. You think you're smarter than you really are.

I seemed to strike a nerve...

Nope, not at all. Once you can prove that you can hang with me, and not embarrass yourself with all kinds of stupid shit masked in higher then needed vocabulary, I might pay you more attention. Until then, go cheer lead the new Journey single, album, concert, whatever. You know nothing of which you speak.

[Gideon]

Nope, not at all.

Your continued posts say otherwise.

Once you can prove that you can hang with me,

I've proven that I can hang you... does that count?

and not embarrass yourself with all kinds of stupid shit masked in higher then needed vocabulary,

You mean proper grammar and humility rather than an overweight and fragile ego that reflects the person himself?

I might pay you more attention.

You pay me more attention than your immediate family, so much do I impact your life. I might as well be the gravity that binds your existence. We've all heard how you constantly speak of me, degrading me, on other forums. We've all seen it, Deano. Obsessive, much?

Until then, go cheer lead the new Journey single, album, concert, whatever.

And you can pretend that you don't do the same thing. You pay far too much attention not to love this band. We'll all pretend to believe you.

You know nothing of which you speak.

Can you prove it?

[amaron]

The more things change around here, the more they stay the same.

[Rockindeano]

You pay me more attention than your immediate family, so much do I impact your life. I might as well be the gravity that binds your existence. We've all heard how you constantly speak of me, degrading me, on other forums. We've all seen it, Deano. Obsessive, much?

We have all seen how I degrade you on other forums? Hmm, I don't visit other forums. Unless you are reading the numerous Springsteen boards, then you once again have spewed yet another fat lie. You on the other hand, pay visits to those other shitty knock off sites and YOU talk about me.

As for the rest of your post, I simply roll my eyes at your lack of proof. Hey, if you feel good typing words that say you are the bomb, then I am delighted for you.

[Gideon]

Hey, if you feel good typing words that say you are the bomb, then I am delighted for you.

I kicked your sorry ass little boy. Owned.

You told me I needed to use proper grammar. I ended up being correct, you were wrong. You will always be my bitch.

Once you can prove that you can hang with me, and not embarrass yourself with all kinds of stupid shit masked in higher then needed vocabulary, I might pay you more attention.

[Deb]

I love Smitty's finesse in drumming. It's really something. But after all these years I adore Deen on the drums and with the band. My dream would be to see Rolie on stage performing with the band now, and that's including Cain. Just a big jamboree up there going back in their catalogue. Come on, Journey, you can do it. Make it happen for a limited run during the U.S. tour.

Totally agree with that sentence. Love Smitty and he is technically better, but I prefer Deen........could watch him for hours. IMO more of his personality shines through when he plays, he loves what he does and it shows. I bought the Journey 2001 dvd on a lark, and totally fell for his infectious, smiling, happy, big rockin' style......right from the first song Separate Ways http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k55eZumb ... re=related

[Gideon]

I love Smitty's finesse in drumming. It's really something. But after all these years I adore Deen on the drums and with the band. My dream would be to see Rolie on stage performing with the band now, and that's including Cain. Just a big jamboree up there going back in their catalogue. Come on, Journey, you can do it. Make it happen for a limited run during the U.S. tour.

Totally agree with that sentence. Love Smitty and he is technically better, but I prefer Deen........could watch him for hours. IMO more of his personality shines through when he plays, he loves what he does and it shows. I bought the Journey 2001 dvd on a lark, and totally fell for his infectious, smiling, happy, big rockin' style......right from the first song Separate Ways http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k55eZumb ... re=related

That was my take on it, but Rockindeano says you can't think that.

[Deb]

I love Smitty's finesse in drumming. It's really something. But after all these years I adore Deen on the drums and with the band. My dream would be to see Rolie on stage performing with the band now, and that's including Cain. Just a big jamboree up there going back in their catalogue. Come on, Journey, you can do it. Make it happen for a limited run during the U.S. tour.

Totally agree with that sentence. Love Smitty and he is technically better, but I prefer Deen........could watch him for hours. IMO more of his personality shines through when he plays, he loves what he does and it shows. I bought the Journey 2001 dvd on a lark, and totally fell for his infectious, smiling, happy, big rockin' style......right from the first song Separate Ways http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k55eZumb ... re=related

That was my take on it, but Rockindeano says you can't think that.

LOL, music is all about passion/feel for me, not technicality. To be honest, kind of a revelation for me, one of the very few dvds my attention has been diverted from the vocalist. Dude's got some pull. Nothing against SA, but I found myself trying to look around him to watch Deen.

[Jana]

I love Smitty's finesse in drumming. It's really something. But after all these years I adore Deen on the drums and with the band. My dream would be to see Rolie on stage performing with the band now, and that's including Cain. Just a big jamboree up there going back in their catalogue. Come on, Journey, you can do it. Make it happen for a limited run during the U.S. tour.

Totally agree with that sentence. Love Smitty and he is technically better, but I prefer Deen........could watch him for hours. IMO more of his personality shines through when he plays, he loves what he does and it shows. I bought the Journey 2001 dvd on a lark, and totally fell for his infectious, smiling, happy, big rockin' style......right from the first song Separate Ways http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k55eZumb ... re=related

That was my take on it, but Rockindeano says you can't think that.

LOL, music is all about passion/feel for me, not technicality. To be honest, kind of a revelation for me, one of the very few dvds my attention has been diverted from the vocalist. Dude's got some pull. Nothing against SA, but I found myself trying to look around him to watch Deen.

I agree. Great, great asset to the band. Watching him playing the drums and singing Mother Father is really something.