Michael Jackson ***August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009***

[7 Wishes]

Sure, I'll acquiesce on that one.

But as far as the "Elvis, Jim Morrison & Jimi Hendrix spotted hunting zebras in Malawi" headline back in the mid-90's, as well as the "Satan meets with Hussein at Royal Palace" they just get an "F".

[Peartree12249]

I've never been a fan of Michael Jackson's music, just not my taste, however I do recognize his genius and his contribution to popular music and culture. What a sad person he was, he seemed so lonely and when I looked at what he did to himself i.e. his skin and his plastic surgeries I saw someone with a tremendous amount of self loathing. I'm afraid that his cardiac problems were either casued by a lethal combination of drugs, or his heart was damaged by years of drug abuse and maybe both.

At least his trials are over. I don't know if the accusations about his molesting children was true. I guess that's between Michael and his creator now. Perhaps one day his children will come forward and write a book about growing up with MJ as a father and what their life was like and we may learn the truth. I hope his children turn out OK, but somehow I doubt it. I fear that they will have a lot of baggage to deal with.

Michael will live on in the hearts of his fans through his music. To quote Pink Floyd "Shine On You Crazy Diamond!" This song was written as a tribute to Syd Barrett one of the founders of Pink Floyd, but I think is appropriate for MJ as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyqgjCKm9nQ

[RedWingFan]

Sure, I'll acquiesce on that one.

But as far as the "Elvis, Jim Morrison & Jimi Hendrix spotted hunting zebras in Malawi" headline back in the mid-90's, as well as the "Satan meets with Hussein at Royal Palace" they just get an "F".

Don't get me wrong. I've never read or bought the thing, but I think recently they have gone from a rag to more of a legit paper. The guy who used to appear on Stern's show playing that "which story is fake" game seemed to have his stuff together. I can't remember his name. Deano probably does, he's the big Stern fan.

[Voyager]

I've never been a fan of Michale Jackson's music....

Me neither. Actually I've never even heard his music. Was he the guy on McHale's Navy? Any hit songs?

[Peartree12249]

I've never been a fan of Michale Jackson's music....

Me neither. Actually I've never even heard his music. Was he the guy on McHale's Navy? Any hit songs?

It took me a while but I finally got it. Hey give me a break! It's after midnight and I've been in a casino all day and just logged on after a 3 hour drive home. I'm tired, so I guess I'll call it a night.

[Blueskies]

I'm truly embarassed by some of the posts within this thread.

Just read some of this....wish I hadn't...

[Blueskies]

Jeff pays tribute to MJ.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbe ... mID=122623

Legendary vocalist Jeff Scott Soto (TALISMAN, JOURNEY, YNGWIE MALMSTEEN) has issued the following statement regarding the passing of pop music legend Michael Jackson, who died yesterday (Thursday, June 25) at age 50:

"Every day the world mourns over the loss of a loved one, a relative, even a pet...but it's not every day the whole world mourns over a single person like they were a loved one or blood relative.

"On Thurday, June 25, 2009, we lost an icon, a legend, a superstar named Michael Jackson.

"I don't think there is a man, woman or child over 5 years old in the world who doesn't know the name Michael Jackson. This in itself is an achievement that is rarely attainable anymore but it shows this man was known for better or worse (in my book, always better; the negative side of his life was always something I always chose to ignore as the MUSIC blanketed this) by EVERY person in the 21st century, and he will be remembered through his music and his legend.

"Of all my childhood memories, many of them included buying my first 45 single (yes, that would be a small 8" vinyl platter called a 'record'!) of the JACKSON 5's 'I Want You Back' to standing in front of a mirror at the ripe age of 5 with a spoon in my hand, pretending it was a microphone and singing at the top of my lungs to every word little Mike was belting out. When my brother Joey and I were about 7 and 8, we would draw crowds at the local boys club of NY as the song 'Rockin' Robin' would be blasted on a record player. Joey would pound on benches/tables as they were percussive instruments while I crooned along to the alto notes of Michael's version. They called us the 'TWEET TWEET BROTHERS'. if you know the song, you'd understand why

"Last night, I was witnessing the birth of a new supergroup, an amazing incarnation called CHICKENFOOT (featuring the eternally youthful Sammy Hagar, the baddest bass pounder Michael Anthony, the untouchable Joe Satriani and the mischievous Chad Smith) performing in London — an energetic and amazing evening — only to be flattened by the news of what was happening in Los Angeles simultaneously.... A night to remember indeed!

"Today and forever, I celebrate the music and the influence of Michael Jackson.

"Long live the King Of Pop, long live one of my few mentors of the mic.

"RIP, Michael!"

One of the few redeeming posts in this thread. Very well written sentiments by Jeff.
Thanks for posting this, Deb.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I've been passed out on the living room floor for the past four hours now My wife just got home and is now making something for us to eat. Last thing I have to say about MJ is "Sianara motherfucker!"

[Voyager]

Jeff pays tribute to MJ.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbe ... mID=122623

Legendary vocalist Jeff Scott Soto (TALISMAN, JOURNEY, YNGWIE MALMSTEEN) has issued the following statement regarding the passing of pop music legend Michael Jackson, who died yesterday (Thursday, June 25) at age 50:

"Every day the world mourns over the loss of a loved one, a relative, even a pet...but it's not every day the whole world mourns over a single person like they were a loved one or blood relative.

"On Thurday, June 25, 2009, we lost an icon, a legend, a superstar named Michael Jackson.

"I don't think there is a man, woman or child over 5 years old in the world who doesn't know the name Michael Jackson. This in itself is an achievement that is rarely attainable anymore but it shows this man was known for better or worse (in my book, always better; the negative side of his life was always something I always chose to ignore as the MUSIC blanketed this) by EVERY person in the 21st century, and he will be remembered through his music and his legend.

"Of all my childhood memories, many of them included buying my first 45 single (yes, that would be a small 8" vinyl platter called a 'record'!) of the JACKSON 5's 'I Want You Back' to standing in front of a mirror at the ripe age of 5 with a spoon in my hand, pretending it was a microphone and singing at the top of my lungs to every word little Mike was belting out. When my brother Joey and I were about 7 and 8, we would draw crowds at the local boys club of NY as the song 'Rockin' Robin' would be blasted on a record player. Joey would pound on benches/tables as they were percussive instruments while I crooned along to the alto notes of Michael's version. They called us the 'TWEET TWEET BROTHERS'. if you know the song, you'd understand why

"Last night, I was witnessing the birth of a new supergroup, an amazing incarnation called CHICKENFOOT (featuring the eternally youthful Sammy Hagar, the baddest bass pounder Michael Anthony, the untouchable Joe Satriani and the mischievous Chad Smith) performing in London — an energetic and amazing evening — only to be flattened by the news of what was happening in Los Angeles simultaneously.... A night to remember indeed!

"Today and forever, I celebrate the music and the influence of Michael Jackson.

"Long live the King Of Pop, long live one of my few mentors of the mic.

"RIP, Michael!"

One of the few redeeming posts in this thread. Very well written sentiments by Jeff.
Thanks for posting this, Deb.

JSS used to post here... what happened to him?

[Don]

JSS used to post here... what happened to him?

Once Journey laid out a 5' 3" maximum height requirement for its lead singer position, Soto saw the writing on the wall and moved on.

[Andrew]

JSS used to post here... what happened to him?

Saint John and Ditto.

[Andrew]

quote="Tito"]Farrah Fawcett died and went to heaven, when she got there God said he'd grant her one wish. She wished for all the children in the world to be safe from harm. So God killed Michael Jackson.

Are you that retarded?... Haven't you said enough.or are you just a damn fool? You 're making the melodicrock forum look bad... Andrew must be away.... you have gone beyond the lowest level of a worthless piece of shit... you must be without sins yourself in order for you to keep writing your judgemental bullshit.... I don't think MJ was a prefect person, but then none of us are... so please!! give it a rest and one more thing I pray to God that you have a tragic event happen to you and that you be so stupid as to post it and so help me God I will write every ugly comment I can about you and laugh about it and believe you me it won't matter how it make you feel because you will deserve it.[/quote]

Yes he is retarded and yes, I was sleeping. And yes, now I have logged on, I have taken out the trash.

[Babyblue]

From his friend, Deepak Chopra:

"He was surrounded by enablers, including a shameful plethora of M.D.s in Los Angeles and elsewhere who supplied him with prescription drugs. As many times as he would candidly confess that he had a problem, the conversation always ended with a deflection and denial. As I write this paragraph, the reports of drug abuse are spreading across the cable news channels. The instant I heard of his death this afternoon, I had a sinking feeling that prescription drugs would play a key part."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-ch ... 21268.html


I also just watched an interview with Deekpak who confirmed Michael did indeed suffer from a skin disease (causing his skin to turn white in places) which caused him to wear makeup and cover up. He also had lupus and other autoimmune system diseases.

Thank You! If you have been watching tv you have learned he has millions of fans. He really was not in good health and yes i am a fan of his music.

[Jana]

The question I have is, who is going to gain custody of the children? I wonder if he had ever made provisions for that. I feel for those kids. If Debbie Rowe, who does not really know the two that are hers, goes after them how damaging that would be. These kids don't really know her. They're older. She gave an interview for a Family Weekly or some such newspaper Sunday insert a few years ago. She's a very sad figure. She moved way out in the country, and kept talking about her children and showing photos and it was her animals. The interviewer said it wasn't about her children. And she's a very solitary person and very odd. This woman had children for money and gave them up. What kind of issues would these two older children have living with her, a woman who gave them up voluntarily.

Then if Michael's parents get custody, the mom is very sweet but older, and think of all the pain Michael suffered at the hands of his father. Would he really want his children living with them with the memories he had as a child?

And if the two went with Debbie, would the court really want to split up the three children, which is not in their best interest to take away a sibling that you've grown up with and love.

[strangegrey]

Once Journey laid out a 5' 3" maximum height requirement for its lead singer position, Soto saw the writing on the wall and moved on.

That's not saying much, you know the nickname they have for their new temporary singer, right? I'd say it here, but speech is monitored these days it seems....

[StoneCold]

quote="Tito"]Farrah Fawcett died and went to heaven, when she got there God said he'd grant her one wish. She wished for all the children in the world to be safe from harm. So God killed Michael Jackson.

Are you that retarded?... Haven't you said enough.or are you just a damn fool? You 're making the melodicrock forum look bad... Andrew must be away....

Yes he is retarded and yes, I was sleeping. And yes, now I have logged on,

I have taken out the trash.

LOL

[scarygirl]

For those of us who were fans of his music, with his death another piece of childhood was ripped away never to return. We all die. It's just hateful that for some of us it's a little too soon.

I don't know if he was a pedophile. I hope he wasn't. The part of me that sees the good in everyone wants to believe really hard that it was like he said, that he lost his childhood and in adulthood tried to recapture what he had lost through children's causes. Research has shown however, that pedophiles revolve their lives around children for easy access. So which was it? Was he a misunderstood manchild or preyer of children? Only God and the children that surrounded him will ever know for sure.

Unlike acts of murder, child molestation rarely leaves a trail of anything. People are so brainwashed by CSI that even when there is a little DNA evidence, they'll tend to aquit anyway because they expect some big sopping bucket of semen or blood. That's not how it works. If the perps use a condom there's no evidence period plus they have other ways to avoid detection.

This week has just been very crappy. We had our death of three, Ed, Farrah and Michael. Hopefully it will be quiet for another year.

On a personal note I have a sick boyfriend and the office dog where I work and that I have dog sat over the last six years has suddenly taken a turn for the worse. She may be in liver failure and she's bleeding internally. If they can't make her well for the long haul they'll put her down. She's 11 years old and up until the last 6 months had been like a puppy.

[Babyblue]

For those of us who were fans of his music, with his death another piece of childhood was ripped away never to return. We all die. It's just hateful that for some of us it's a little too soon.

I don't know if he was a pedophile. I hope he wasn't. The part of me that sees the good in everyone wants to believe really hard that it was like he said, that he lost his childhood and in adulthood tried to recapture what he had lost through children's causes. Research has shown however, that pedophiles revolve their lives around children for easy access. So which was it? Was he a misunderstood manchild or preyer of children? Only God and the children that surrounded him will ever know for sure.

Unlike acts of murder, child molestation rarely leaves a trail of anything. People are so brainwashed by CSI that even when there is a little DNA evidence, they'll tend to aquit anyway because they expect some big sopping bucket of semen or blood. That's not how it works. If the perps use a condom there's no evidence period plus they have other ways to avoid detection.

This week has just been very crappy. We had our death of three, Ed, Farrah and Michael. Hopefully it will be quiet for another year.

On a personal note I have a sick boyfriend and the office dog where I work and that I have dog sat over the last six years has suddenly taken a turn for the worse. She may be in liver failure and she's bleeding internally. If they can't make her well for the long haul they'll put her down. She's 11 years old and up until the last 6 months had been like a puppy.

I feel the same as you Scarygirl ....i try to see the good in people & not the bad.I hope your boyfriend will be better soon. As for the baby i hope she will be better but we never know.I do hope that its not her liver.I will keep you and your little family in my prayers.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I think we will see this turn into a huge deal now. Because the family wants a ton of money, MJ himself probably had one hefty life insurance policy (which everyone in his entire family wants a huge portion of) and then the issue of the Doctor. The family will want that doctor to pay out the ass in every way possible (and impossible). The folks who MJ had his life insurance policy through will want to hire their own lawyers, doctors, investigators because they have great deal of interest in how it came about that MJ died. They will be looking into suicide or intentional drug overdoes, in which case that may void the policy. And finally we have the folks who were getting the ball rolling in Europe for that planned "last curtain call" gig. You know they put some good effort and money into it by now in preparation for the event. All the tickets will have to be refunded, guess the ticket provider didn't see it coming or they would have put in that unGodly fine print on the reverse side along with the No Refunds or Exchanges "tickets are not refundable or exchangeable if the entertainer dies before the concert." Oh well, now they're going to be stuck refunding tickets. The music business is a dog eat dog world all the way around from each and every angle. I got a feeling this is going to be quite a deal for months and even years to come.

[strangegrey]

The fact that this person was a socially exiled child molester freak on wednesday and a hero, genius, martyr on thursday is where the problem lies.

Death does not change a person's actions in life. Remember that folks. It's an important thing to learn as you progress through your own life in an effort to be a good person and leave a lasting legacy for your family, friends and neighbors.



I hold the pedophile issue very close to the chest for personal reasons. This isn't an issue like "dog eating" or calling a member of Journey a "midget" or "a tampon-loaded fag"....where one side is morally dubious.


The issue here is an extremely valid one and I find it extremely disturbing that a large percentage of you are willing to completely ignore the utterly disgusting things that have surrounded this man for over 20 years. Thankfully, the media is at least touching upon it.


Great, I get it, he was a musical genius, blah blah blah......he's still a child molester and those children will be FOREVER scarred at what he has done to them.



This is a valid social issue, and ZERO musical accomplishments absolves anyone...and I TRULY mean ANYONE from such actions.




The hypocrisy is disgusting. A group of so-called morally just people, that are so quick to label someone a racist, are so willing to forget and ignore a person's shameful predatory pedophilia and molestation.


Think about just how serious this issue is.....this man does not deserve the hero's send off you are giving him.



I hope you people are proud of yourself!

[Onestepper]

The fact that this person was a socially exiled child molester freak on wednesday and a hero, genius, martyr on thursday is where the problem lies.

Death does not change a person's actions in life. Remember that folks. It's an important thing to learn as you progress through your own life in an effort to be a good person and leave a lasting legacy for your family, friends and neighbors.



I hold the pedophile issue very close to the chest for personal reasons. This isn't an issue like "dog eating" or calling a member of Journey a "midget" or "a tampon-loaded fag"....where one side is morally dubious.


The issue here is an extremely valid one and I find it extremely disturbing that a large percentage of you are willing to completely ignore the utterly disgusting things that have surrounded this man for over 20 years. Thankfully, the media is at least touching upon it.


Great, I get it, he was a musical genius, blah blah blah......he's still a child molester and those children will be FOREVER scarred at what he has done to them.



This is a valid social issue, and ZERO musical accomplishments absolves anyone...and I TRULY mean ANYONE from such actions.




The hypocrisy is disgusting. A group of so-called morally just people, that are so quick to label someone a racist, are so willing to forget and ignore a person's shameful predatory pedophilia and molestation.


Think about just how serious this issue is.....this man does not deserve the hero's send off you are giving him.



I hope you people are proud of yourself!

Quit generalizing. Not everyone is ready to cast him as the King of all good. But last I checked, the man wasn't convicted of anything regarding child molestation. Did the system allow him to pay off people to make accusations go away? At least in one instance it did. However, whether we like it or not, a jury found him not guilty. His mindset when it came to appropriate behavior with young children was mind numbing, and without justification. But I don't think that just because people respect his talent, that they are forgetting the negatives surrounding his character. What bothers me more is the documented financial cheating he was allowed to consistently get away with year after year. Spending lavishly as if money had no value. Then having to borrow to afford the lifestyle, and then when he didn't pay it back, dispatching his lawyers to 'settle it'. He was a cheat and louse for many reasons. But don't just assume that because people want to remember the good in someone, that they excuse bad behavior. He is a documented freak case. No one is forgetting that aspect to him.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Perhaps now that MJ is dead, some of those kids will come forward and speak about some details that have been kept sealed. Not sure how that all works, but they excepted a hansome settlement and I'm sure part of the stipulation was they couldn't talk about anything in regards to the events that took place. But now that MJ is dead, that all may change now....maybe. After the death of Nixon, the tapes were released. So we will just have to wait and see. I think we are going to see tons of lawsuits filed within the family and outside (doctor, concert promoter, debt collectors, life insurance provider, etc.) If MJ was in fact in debt by $400 Million dollars, those folks are going to want their money big time. It's going to be an interesting deal for times to come.

[The Sushi Hunter]

a jury found him not guilty.

It's not about who's actually innocent or guilty, it's basically all about what the jury wants to do. But then again, MJ bypassed that entire system by paying a settlement.

[Peartree12249]

The fact that this person was a socially exiled child molester freak on wednesday and a hero, genius, martyr on thursday is where the problem lies.

Death does not change a person's actions in life. Remember that folks. It's an important thing to learn as you progress through your own life in an effort to be a good person and leave a lasting legacy for your family, friends and neighbors.



I hold the pedophile issue very close to the chest for personal reasons. This isn't an issue like "dog eating" or calling a member of Journey a "midget" or "a tampon-loaded fag"....where one side is morally dubious.


The issue here is an extremely valid one and I find it extremely disturbing that a large percentage of you are willing to completely ignore the utterly disgusting things that have surrounded this man for over 20 years. Thankfully, the media is at least touching upon it.


Great, I get it, he was a musical genius, blah blah blah......he's still a child molester and those children will be FOREVER scarred at what he has done to them.


This is a valid social issue, and ZERO musical accomplishments absolves anyone...and I TRULY mean ANYONE from such actions.




The hypocrisy is disgusting. A group of so-called morally just people, that are so quick to label someone a racist, are so willing to forget and ignore a person's shameful predatory pedophilia and molestation.


Think about just how serious this issue is.....this man does not deserve the hero's send off you are giving him.



I hope you people are proud of yourself!

Well legally he's not. He was found not guilty by a jury of his peers. The truth is, we don't know the truth and we may never know. I think he probably did it but what I think doesn't count. As far as paying off another accuser, that doesn't make him guilty. That just means he wanted the problem and the bad publicity to go away. Once people found out they could get money from him, anyone could make an accusation against him hoping to cash in. Just like the people who will be crawling out of the woodwork writing books about him claiming they know the truth. My feeling about this is if anyone in his family or staff had first hand knowledge the MJ was molesting children and did nothing or covered it up, that makes them just as guilty as MJ. I sincerely hope that was not the case.

[Jana]

The fact that this person was a socially exiled child molester freak on wednesday and a hero, genius, martyr on thursday is where the problem lies.

Death does not change a person's actions in life. Remember that folks. It's an important thing to learn as you progress through your own life in an effort to be a good person and leave a lasting legacy for your family, friends and neighbors.



I hold the pedophile issue very close to the chest for personal reasons. This isn't an issue like "dog eating" or calling a member of Journey a "midget" or "a tampon-loaded fag"....where one side is morally dubious.


The issue here is an extremely valid one and I find it extremely disturbing that a large percentage of you are willing to completely ignore the utterly disgusting things that have surrounded this man for over 20 years. Thankfully, the media is at least touching upon it.


Great, I get it, he was a musical genius, blah blah blah......he's still a child molester and those children will be FOREVER scarred at what he has done to them.


This is a valid social issue, and ZERO musical accomplishments absolves anyone...and I TRULY mean ANYONE from such actions.




The hypocrisy is disgusting. A group of so-called morally just people, that are so quick to label someone a racist, are so willing to forget and ignore a person's shameful predatory pedophilia and molestation.


Think about just how serious this issue is.....this man does not deserve the hero's send off you are giving him.



I hope you people are proud of yourself!

Well legally he's not. He was found not guilty by a jury of his peers. The truth is, we don't know the truth and we may never know. I think he probably did it but what I think doesn't count. As far as paying off another accuser, that doesn't make him guilty. That just means he wanted the problem and the bad publicity to go away. Once people found out they could get money from him, anyone could make an accusation against him hoping to cash in. Just like the people who will be crawling out of the woodwork writing books about him claiming they know the truth. My feeling about this is if anyone in his family or staff had first hand knowledge the MJ was molesting children and did nothing or covered it up, that makes them just as guilty as MJ. I sincerely hope that was not the case.

In the first case, Michael paid him off with 22 million dollars in the civil case, and the alleged victim Jordan Chandler then refused to testify in the criminal case and it was dropped. Michael did not go to trial.

And keep in mind O.J. Simpson was found innocent by a jury of his peers.

But re the second case, there were disturbing things that came out and that interview he did was bizarre. But what came out regarding the alleged victim's family was equally as distrubing, and they were out for money. Also, who knew what truth was turned into exaggerated facts or complete untruths. So in that case he absolutely should have been found not guilty b/c of reasonable doubt.

[donnaplease]

I haven't read all the posts here, so forgive me if I repeat something someone else has said.

I think MJ was a freak, but I also think he was seriously mentally ill. His body dysmorphic syndrome is one indicator, his childlike mannerisms another. Listening to him talk about his experiences with those children, it was like he didn't realize that what he was doing was inappropriate. He endured years of abuse at the hands of his father, and talked about how he had to work such long hours as a child and didn't get to experience things that other children his age did. Look at Neverland Ranch... trying to experience those things that he could not as a child, and give that to other children. I would not be surprised if he didn't have a multiple personality syndrome either. I'm a dime store shrink, I admit, but I think there's enough evidence out there to support some sort of mental illness.

I also admit that I really didn't give this a lot of consideration until after his death, but that doesn't take away from the possibility that it's true.

Michael Jackson gave us so much joy in his music and performances. We should respect that and give the guy a break in his death. He's being judged by God right now, and so we shouldn't try to do the job.

[donnaplease]

There's a documentary about him playing in the other room now, and it's talking about his relationship with MacCauley Culkin. It talked about the time they spent together, and McCauley's strict father, dragging him to audition after audition...

Sounds kinda familiar, huh? Maybe he felt he was 'rescuing' him from what he went through as a child. IDK.

[StevePerryHair]

I haven't read all the posts here, so forgive me if I repeat something someone else has said.

I think MJ was a freak, but I also think he was seriously mentally ill. His body dysmorphic syndrome is one indicator, his childlike mannerisms another. Listening to him talk about his experiences with those children, it was like he didn't realize that what he was doing was inappropriate. He endured years of abuse at the hands of his father, and talked about how he had to work such long hours as a child and didn't get to experience things that other children his age did. Look at Neverland Ranch... trying to experience those things that he could not as a child, and give that to other children. I would not be surprised if he didn't have a multiple personality syndrome either. I'm a dime store shrink, I admit, but I think there's enough evidence out there to support some sort of mental illness.

I also admit that I really didn't give this a lot of consideration until after his death, but that doesn't take away from the possibility that it's true.

Michael Jackson gave us so much joy in his music and performances. We should respect that and give the guy a break in his death. He's being judged by God right now, and so we shouldn't try to do the job.

I agree with this. And the fact is, he had his judgement here and he was found not-guilty, whether he truly was or not we will never know. So the only judgement left is his judgement with God and that's between them now. It doesn't make me any less nostalgic for a very important part of my youth though. I LOVED music as a kid as much as I do now and his music was a big part of my youth. That is the only reason it's easy to focus on that part of his life. Of COURSE that doesn't excuse if he actually did hurt any children. I don't see what one has to do with the other though. That is all some of us are doing is remembering our GOOD memories concerning him. I don't see why that is such a big deal to some. So anyway, good post

[Triple S]

Yes he is retarded and yes, I was sleeping. And yes, now I have logged on, I have taken out the trash.

Thank you for doing that Andrew (but I think there's still a least a couple more pieces left behind in this thread )

[Rhiannon]