Jana wrote:Peartree12249 wrote:strangegrey wrote:The fact that this person was a socially exiled child molester freak on wednesday and a hero, genius, martyr on thursday is where the problem lies.
Death does not change a person's actions in life. Remember that folks. It's an important thing to learn as you progress through your own life in an effort to be a good person and leave a lasting legacy for your family, friends and neighbors.
I hold the pedophile issue very close to the chest for personal reasons. This isn't an issue like "dog eating" or calling a member of Journey a "midget" or "a tampon-loaded fag"....where one side is morally dubious.
The issue here is an extremely valid one and I find it extremely disturbing that a large percentage of you are willing to completely ignore the utterly disgusting things that have surrounded this man for over 20 years. Thankfully, the media is at least touching upon it.
Great, I get it, he was a musical genius, blah blah blah......he's still a child molester and those children will be FOREVER scarred at what he has done to them.
This is a valid social issue, and ZERO musical accomplishments absolves anyone...and I TRULY mean ANYONE from such actions.
The hypocrisy is disgusting. A group of so-called morally just people, that are so quick to label someone a racist, are so willing to forget and ignore a person's shameful predatory pedophilia and molestation.
Think about just how serious this issue is.....this man does not deserve the hero's send off you are giving him.
I hope you people are proud of yourself!
Well legally he's not. He was found
not guilty by a jury of his peers.
The truth is, we don't know the truth and we may never know. I think he probably did it but what I think doesn't count. As far as paying off another accuser, that doesn't make him guilty. That just means he wanted the problem and the bad publicity to go away. Once people found out they could get money from him, anyone could make an accusation against him hoping to cash in. Just like the people who will be crawling out of the woodwork writing books about him claiming they know the truth. My feeling about this is if anyone in his family or staff had first hand knowledge the MJ was molesting children and did nothing or covered it up, that makes them just as guilty as MJ. I sincerely hope that was not the case.
In the first case, Michael paid him off with 22 million dollars in the civil case, and the alleged victim Jordan Chandler then refused to testify in the criminal case and it was dropped. Michael did not go to trial.
And keep in mind O.J. Simpson was found innocent by a jury of his peers.
And sometimes innocent people are convicted for crimes they did not commit. What's your point?
My point was we don't really know the truth. We have opinions, but that doesn't make it fact. In this country people are to be considered innocent until proven guilty. The State of California failed to prove his guilt didn't they? Having read the summary of the trail, I think the jury made the correct decision based on the evidence presented. Does that mean MJ got away with it? Maybe...Look I hate pedofiles as much as the next person, but this is a very serious and heinous charge. In the intrest of protecting children, innocent people can get railroaded into prison. Even if they are found innocent, their lives, and careers are often destroyed for ever.
Such is the case of the "Kern County child abuse case was the first prominent instance of accusations of ritualized sex abuse of children. In 1982 in Kern County, California, Debbie and Alvin McCuan were accused of abusing their own children. The initial charges were made by Mary Ann Barbour, the children's step-grandmother, who had a history of mental illness. Coercive interviewing techniques were used by the authorities to ellicit disclosures of parental sexual abuse from the children. In 1982, the girls further accused McCuan's defense witnesses: Scott Kniffen, his wife Brenda, and his mother. Mary Ann Barbour reported that the children had been used for prostitution, used in child pornography, tortured, and made to watch snuff films. In 1985, each of the McCuans and the Kniffens was sentenced to over 240 years in prison. Their convictions were overturned in 1996.
McMartin preschool trial
The case started in August 1983 when Judy Johnson, the mother of a 2 1/2 year-old boy reported to the police that her son was abused by Raymond Buckey at the McMartin Preschool in Manhattan Beach, California.[1] After seven years of criminal trials, no convictions were obtained, and all charges were dropped in 1990. As of 2006[update], it is the longest and most expensive criminal trial in the history of the United States.[1] The accusations involved hidden tunnels, killing animals, Satan worship, and orgies.[4] Judy Johnson was diagnosed with acute schizophrenia[5][6] and in 1986 was found dead in her home from complications of chronic alcoholism.[7] Buckey and his mother Peggy McMartin were eventually released without any charges. In 2005 one of the testifying children retracted his testimony and said he lied, to protect his younger siblings and to please his parents.
Dade County Day Care Center
Frank Fuster, the owner of the Country Walk Babysitting Service, was found guilty of 14 counts of abuse.[10] He was sentenced to a prison sentence with a minimum of 165 years. Fuster's victims testified that his "unspeakable acts" included leading them in Satanic rituals and terrorizing them by forcing them to watch him mutilate birds, a lesson to children who might reveal the abuse.[10] Fuster had been previously convicted for manslaughter and for fondling a 9 year old child.[1] Over 50 children accused Fuster and Iliana (his wife) of child abuse and Fuster's own son was treated for gonorrhea of his throat. Iliana testified against her husband and confessed to her role in the crimes and received a ten-year sentence, later recanting her confession, then recanting her recantation.
Starting in 1984, Reno used Joseph and Laurie Braga, two self-styled experts at interviewing children, to gain most of the "confessions" from the children. The Bragas coerced numerous children into confessions that were thrown out on appeal in both state and federal courts years later. One federal judge described the confessions as "fundamentally unfair." Some of the kids later admitted that they confessed only because they were told other children claimed abuse, and that they were tired of being told "I don't believe you," and "because I was getting tired ... [that] I told a lie."
Praca Day Care
Three employees of a Bronx day-care center were arrested in August, 1984 on the charges of abusing at least ten children in their care. [18] Federal and city investigators then questioned dozens of children at the day care. They used 'dolls, gentle words and a quiet approach.'[19]More children reported being sexually abused, raising the total to 30.[20] “Three more city-financed day care centers” also were investigated for sexual abuse.[21] On August 11, 1984, it was reported that federal funds had been cut off to the Head Start preschool program at the Praca Day Care Center and now four employees had been arrested.[22] In June, 1985 the day care center was reopened with new sponsorship.[23] In January 1986, Albert Algarin, employed at the Praca Day Care center, was sentenced to 50 years in prison for 'raping and sexually abusing five children.'[24] It was reported in May 1986 that Jesus Torres, a former teacher’s aide at the Praca Day Care “was sentenced to 40 years in prison yesterday for sexually assaulting two boys at the center.'[25] ”Franklin Beauchamp who had been 'convicted of nine counts of rape, sexual abuse and sodomy involving three children at Praca,' had his case overturned in New York state’s highest state court in May 1989. 'The State Court of Appeals ruled that the indictment used to obtain his 1986 conviction was duplicitous, or not specific enough.'[26] On a web page from Frontline Innocence Lost Other Well-Known Cases PBS, it is stated that the "remaining defendants eventually had their convictions overturned as well."
Source: Wikkipedia
The list goes on and on.
Grammar, the difference between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit.
I am old 
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Who knows. I suppose it will all come out soon enough.
