Michael Jackson ***August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009***

[bluejeangirl76]

According to a report in Us Weekly, multiple sources claim to the mag that Jackson’s dermatologist (and Debbie Rowe’s former boss), Arnold Klein, is the biological father to Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11.

“He is the dad,” a Jackson source claimed. “He and Debbie signed an agreement saying they would never reveal the truth.”

My question: if he wanted children so badly, why wouldn't he just use his own semen? I mean, it's pretty obvious the kids aren't biologically his... that's been obvious for years... but I can't figure, unless it's a medical reason, why someone who wants to be a father would choose to use another man to make it happen.

[StevePerryHair]

According to a report in Us Weekly, multiple sources claim to the mag that Jackson’s dermatologist (and Debbie Rowe’s former boss), Arnold Klein, is the biological father to Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11.

“He is the dad,” a Jackson source claimed. “He and Debbie signed an agreement saying they would never reveal the truth.”

My question: if he wanted children so badly, why wouldn't he just use his own semen? I mean, it's pretty obvious the kids aren't biologically his... that's been obvious for years... but I can't figure, unless it's a medical reason, why someone who wants to be a father would choose to use another man to make it happen.

Haven't they said he suffered from an autoimmune disease? I can't keep track anymore of what's real and what's rumor, but I thought that was the case. So that could have had something to do with the "why" for several different reasons if it's true.

[bluejeangirl76]

According to a report in Us Weekly, multiple sources claim to the mag that Jackson’s dermatologist (and Debbie Rowe’s former boss), Arnold Klein, is the biological father to Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11.

“He is the dad,” a Jackson source claimed. “He and Debbie signed an agreement saying they would never reveal the truth.”

My question: if he wanted children so badly, why wouldn't he just use his own semen? I mean, it's pretty obvious the kids aren't biologically his... that's been obvious for years... but I can't figure, unless it's a medical reason, why someone who wants to be a father would choose to use another man to make it happen.

Haven't they said he suffered from an autoimmune disease? I can't keep track anymore of what's real and what's rumor, but I thought that was the case. So that could have had something to do with the "why" for several different reasons if it's true.

Well, we all know he cited vitiligo as the reason for the skin changes, and I do know that vitiligo can be associated with autoimmune conditions, and can be genetic also.

[StevePerryHair]

According to a report in Us Weekly, multiple sources claim to the mag that Jackson’s dermatologist (and Debbie Rowe’s former boss), Arnold Klein, is the biological father to Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11.

“He is the dad,” a Jackson source claimed. “He and Debbie signed an agreement saying they would never reveal the truth.”

My question: if he wanted children so badly, why wouldn't he just use his own semen? I mean, it's pretty obvious the kids aren't biologically his... that's been obvious for years... but I can't figure, unless it's a medical reason, why someone who wants to be a father would choose to use another man to make it happen.

Haven't they said he suffered from an autoimmune disease? I can't keep track anymore of what's real and what's rumor, but I thought that was the case. So that could have had something to do with the "why" for several different reasons if it's true.

Well, we all know he cited vitiligo as the reason for the skin changes, and I do know that vitiligo can be associated with autoimmune conditions, and can be genetic also.

Well there are several autoimmune diseases that can cause infertility, so I am wondering if that could have been part of it as well as the hereditary factor. Doubt we'll ever know for sure though!

[Rhiannon]

According to a report in Us Weekly, multiple sources claim to the mag that Jackson’s dermatologist (and Debbie Rowe’s former boss), Arnold Klein, is the biological father to Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11.

“He is the dad,” a Jackson source claimed. “He and Debbie signed an agreement saying they would never reveal the truth.”

My question: if he wanted children so badly, why wouldn't he just use his own semen? I mean, it's pretty obvious the kids aren't biologically his... that's been obvious for years... but I can't figure, unless it's a medical reason, why someone who wants to be a father would choose to use another man to make it happen.

Haven't they said he suffered from an autoimmune disease? I can't keep track anymore of what's real and what's rumor, but I thought that was the case. So that could have had something to do with the "why" for several different reasons if it's true.

Well, we all know he cited vitiligo as the reason for the skin changes, and I do know that vitiligo can be associated with autoimmune conditions, and can be genetic also.

Well there are several autoimmune diseases that can cause infertility, so I am wondering if that could have been part of it as well as the hereditary factor. Doubt we'll ever know for sure though!

Deepak Chopra said he had lupus as well.

[Blueskies]

Just heard on CNN that there will be a public viewing of his body at Neverland Ranch....and then a private family viewing over the weekend. Not been said where he will be buried yet. I'm thinking that there is a good possibility that some would like to make Neverland into a Graceland if all partys that have ownership and the community would agree.

[bluejeangirl76]

Just heard on CNN that there will be a public viewing of his body at Neverland Ranch....and then a private family viewing over the weekend. Not been said where he will be buried yet. I'm thinking that there is a good possibility that some would like to make Neverland into a Graceland if all partys that have ownership and the community would agree.

I just read the same thing... and it's not the worst idea. It makes sense, if they can figure out some kind of ownership agreement. Daddy Jackson said the other day he would not be buried at Neverland, but then again, that guy has his head straight up his ass, and no one is even listening to him anymore.

Public viewing... man, I didn't think they'd do that. Public funeral/memorial, I expected, but not a viewing. Wow.

[NealIsGod]

Just heard on CNN that there will be a public viewing of his body at Neverland Ranch....and then a private family viewing over the weekend. Not been said where he will be buried yet. I'm thinking that there is a good possibility that some would like to make Neverland into a Graceland if all partys that have ownership and the community would agree.

That way the vultures can pick at his bones forever (financially speaking).

[Jana]

According to a report in Us Weekly, multiple sources claim to the mag that Jackson’s dermatologist (and Debbie Rowe’s former boss), Arnold Klein, is the biological father to Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11.

“He is the dad,” a Jackson source claimed. “He and Debbie signed an agreement saying they would never reveal the truth.”

My question: if he wanted children so badly, why wouldn't he just use his own semen? I mean, it's pretty obvious the kids aren't biologically his... that's been obvious for years... but I can't figure, unless it's a medical reason, why someone who wants to be a father would choose to use another man to make it happen.

I don't know if I believe US Weekly. They print lies all the time, worse sometimes than real tabloid rags. But if he doesn't come out and deny this pretty quickly, then I guess it is true. This is getting freakier by the minute. What doctor would give his sperm away. Just no need. I wonder how much Michael paid him for it if it's true. It all comes back to money, money, money.

[bluejeangirl76]

Just heard on CNN that there will be a public viewing of his body at Neverland Ranch....and then a private family viewing over the weekend. Not been said where he will be buried yet. I'm thinking that there is a good possibility that some would like to make Neverland into a Graceland if all partys that have ownership and the community would agree.

That way the vultures can pick at his bones forever (financially speaking).

Yeah, but that's going to happen anyway. There's a truckload of unreleased stuff, re-master/re-release opportunities, concert footage... no one that has their hands on any of that material is going to starve any time soon.

[StoneCold]

Just heard on CNN that there will be a public viewing of his body at Neverland Ranch....and then a private family viewing over the weekend. Not been said where he will be buried yet. I'm thinking that there is a good possibility that some would like to make Neverland into a Graceland if all partys that have ownership and the community would agree.

That way the vultures can pick at his bones forever (financially speaking).

Exactly right. His body won't rest long in the grave. Presley fans got nothin' on the jacko wackos.

[bluejeangirl76]

According to a report in Us Weekly, multiple sources claim to the mag that Jackson’s dermatologist (and Debbie Rowe’s former boss), Arnold Klein, is the biological father to Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11.

“He is the dad,” a Jackson source claimed. “He and Debbie signed an agreement saying they would never reveal the truth.”

My question: if he wanted children so badly, why wouldn't he just use his own semen? I mean, it's pretty obvious the kids aren't biologically his... that's been obvious for years... but I can't figure, unless it's a medical reason, why someone who wants to be a father would choose to use another man to make it happen.

I don't know if I believe US Weekly. They print lies all the time, worse sometimes than real tabloid rags. But if he doesn't come out and deny this pretty quickly, then I guess it is true. This is getting freakier by the minute. What doctor would give his sperm away. Just no need. I wonder how much Michael paid him for it if it's true. It all comes back to money, money, money.

Doctors do stupid stuff all the time. Case in point: Octobitch's doctor. It seems like Mike surrounded himself with medical personnel who were willing to STFU and comply with his habits. So I'm not surprised to hear that these were not the most upstanding among the medical community.

[Blueskies]

Just heard on CNN that there will be a public viewing of his body at Neverland Ranch....and then a private family viewing over the weekend. Not been said where he will be buried yet. I'm thinking that there is a good possibility that some would like to make Neverland into a Graceland if all partys that have ownership and the community would agree.

I just read the same thing... and it's not the worst idea. It makes sense, if they can figure out some kind of ownership agreement. Daddy Jackson said the other day he would not be buried at Neverland, but then again, that guy has his head straight up his ass, and no one is even listening to him anymore.

Public viewing... man, I didn't think they'd do that. Public funeral/memorial, I expected, but not a viewing. Wow.

It would be a money maker just like Graceland has been....so I'm sure it's being considered....but it's in an isolated rural area so the community would more then likely fight it if they can. Yes, J Dad should just keep quite and to himself and Al and Jesse need to be quite and go home too...they do more harm then good.

[Blueskies]

Just heard on CNN that there will be a public viewing of his body at Neverland Ranch....and then a private family viewing over the weekend. Not been said where he will be buried yet. I'm thinking that there is a good possibility that some would like to make Neverland into a Graceland if all partys that have ownership and the community would agree.

That way the vultures can pick at his bones forever (financially speaking).

You are right on about that....but it's going to happen in many and any way that it can. At least Graceland enriched those that Elvis loved, his former wife and daughter. Hopefully, Michaels children will end up benefiting in some way instead of only the vultures.

[Barb]

My question: if he wanted children so badly, why wouldn't he just use his own semen? I mean, it's pretty obvious the kids aren't biologically his... that's been obvious for years... but I can't figure, unless it's a medical reason, why someone who wants to be a father would choose to use another man to make it happen.

I think he didn't want them to be black. I was watching the replay of that infamous Martin Bashear interview lastnight. He asked him about the lightening of his skin and he got so defensive! He said white people spend hours in the sun to get dark and no one says a word about that. I never picked up on that before.

[bluejeangirl76]

My question: if he wanted children so badly, why wouldn't he just use his own semen? I mean, it's pretty obvious the kids aren't biologically his... that's been obvious for years... but I can't figure, unless it's a medical reason, why someone who wants to be a father would choose to use another man to make it happen.

I think he didn't want them to be black. I was watching the replay of that infamous Martin Bashear interview lastnight. He asked him about the lightening of his skin and he got so defensive! He said white people spend hours in the sun to get dark and no one says a word about that. I never picked up on that before.

I always suspected that as well. However, towards the end of the MB interview, Michael claims that Blanket's mother is black.

No way. Can't be.
Prince Michael 2's (I can't call a child "Blanket" - sorry) bio parents are about as black as I am. The kid is whiter than rice...

[Jana]

My question: if he wanted children so badly, why wouldn't he just use his own semen? I mean, it's pretty obvious the kids aren't biologically his... that's been obvious for years... but I can't figure, unless it's a medical reason, why someone who wants to be a father would choose to use another man to make it happen.

I think he didn't want them to be black. I was watching the replay of that infamous Martin Bashear interview lastnight. He asked him about the lightening of his skin and he got so defensive! He said white people spend hours in the sun to get dark and no one says a word about that. I never picked up on that before.

I always suspected that as well. However, towards the end of the MB interview, Michael claims that Blanket's mother is black.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxzhD6jgNIY

remember when he was dangling Blanket out the window. That baby was white.

[Don]

Just heard on CNN that there will be a public viewing of his body at Neverland Ranch....and then a private family viewing over the weekend. Not been said where he will be buried yet. I'm thinking that there is a good possibility that some would like to make Neverland into a Graceland if all partys that have ownership and the community would agree.

That way the vultures can pick at his bones forever (financially speaking).

You are right on about that....but it's going to happen in many and any way that it can. At least Graceland enriched those that Elvis loved, his former wife and daughter. Hopefully, Michaels children will end up benefiting in some way instead of only the vultures.

Minus all the other income, these kids will be getting songwriting royalites which are 5 million dollars annually. They have a copyright of 75 years, I beieve which means these kids will be getting the majority of that money for 30 to 40 more years at the least.

[bluejeangirl76]

Just heard on CNN that there will be a public viewing of his body at Neverland Ranch....and then a private family viewing over the weekend. Not been said where he will be buried yet. I'm thinking that there is a good possibility that some would like to make Neverland into a Graceland if all partys that have ownership and the community would agree.

That way the vultures can pick at his bones forever (financially speaking).

You are right on about that....but it's going to happen in many and any way that it can. At least Graceland enriched those that Elvis loved, his former wife and daughter. Hopefully, Michaels children will end up benefiting in some way instead of only the vultures.

Minus all the other income, these kids will be getting songwriting royalites which are 5 million dollars annually. They have a copyright of 75 years, I beieve which means these kids will be getting the majority of that money for 30 to 40 more years at the least.

Not only that, but probably the biggest asset Jackson held was his 50% percent (200 Beatles songs plus others) of the Sony/ATV catalog. His share is said to be worth about 1 billion. It's being reported though, that Sony will be keeping control of the 200 Beatles songs.

"Sony/ATV will continue to hold the Lennon and McCartney catalogue, said the person, who asked not to be named because the matter isn't public."

I'd assume, unless he willed it otherwise, his stake will go to the children also.

[Jana]

My question: if he wanted children so badly, why wouldn't he just use his own semen? I mean, it's pretty obvious the kids aren't biologically his... that's been obvious for years... but I can't figure, unless it's a medical reason, why someone who wants to be a father would choose to use another man to make it happen.

I think he didn't want them to be black. I was watching the replay of that infamous Martin Bashear interview lastnight. He asked him about the lightening of his skin and he got so defensive! He said white people spend hours in the sun to get dark and no one says a word about that. I never picked up on that before.

I always suspected that as well. However, towards the end of the MB interview, Michael claims that Blanket's mother is black.

No way. Can't be.
Prince Michael 2's (I can't call a child "Blanket" - sorry) bio parents are about as black as I am. The kid is whiter than rice...

I'm sure PM2's mother isn't black. But it was interesting in that interview when Martin Bashir told him PM2 looked white, Michael told him no his mother was black and he was trying to explain all the different shades of black people there are. Of course he also claimed he was the father to these children and he even recounted when PM1 was born that his head was shaped just like that of his brother Randy and his grandfather.

Believing what Michael Jackson says is akin to believing Paris Hilton when she said in an interview she had only slept with a couple men. Yeah, maybe a couple by the age of 15.

[bluejeangirl76]

My question: if he wanted children so badly, why wouldn't he just use his own semen? I mean, it's pretty obvious the kids aren't biologically his... that's been obvious for years... but I can't figure, unless it's a medical reason, why someone who wants to be a father would choose to use another man to make it happen.

I think he didn't want them to be black. I was watching the replay of that infamous Martin Bashear interview lastnight. He asked him about the lightening of his skin and he got so defensive! He said white people spend hours in the sun to get dark and no one says a word about that. I never picked up on that before.

I always suspected that as well. However, towards the end of the MB interview, Michael claims that Blanket's mother is black.

No way. Can't be.
Prince Michael 2's (I can't call a child "Blanket" - sorry) bio parents are about as black as I am. The kid is whiter than rice...

I'm sure PM2's mother isn't black. But it was interesting in that interview when Martin Bashir told him PM2 looked white, Michael told him no his mother was black and he was trying to explain all the different shades of black people there are. Of course he also claimed he was the father to these children and he even recounted when PM1 was born that his head was shaped just like that of his brother Randy and his grandfather.

Hey... when did Janet gain all that weight? Maybe she's PM2's momma. Her and the white doctor.
I mean, she was married for 10 years without anyone finding out... maybe she had the kid for Mike too.

[Don]

Janet looked like Diana Ross the other night, just 4 stones heavier.

[Blueskies]

Just heard on CNN that there will be a public viewing of his body at Neverland Ranch....and then a private family viewing over the weekend. Not been said where he will be buried yet. I'm thinking that there is a good possibility that some would like to make Neverland into a Graceland if all partys that have ownership and the community would agree.

That way the vultures can pick at his bones forever (financially speaking).

You are right on about that....but it's going to happen in many and any way that it can. At least Graceland enriched those that Elvis loved, his former wife and daughter. Hopefully, Michaels children will end up benefiting in some way instead of only the vultures.

Minus all the other income, these kids will be getting songwriting royalites which are 5 million dollars annually. They have a copyright of 75 years, I beieve which means these kids will be getting the majority of that money for 30 to 40 more years at the least.

Haven't checked the thread to know if this has already been posted..just saw this article about the will....well at least one will...don't know if its a final will.....

Report: Michael Jackson's 2002 Will Leaves Estate To Mother, Children & CharityAccess Hollywood - June 30, 2009 7:07 AM PDT


-- Michael Jackson's will, reportedly drafted in 2002, is said to divide his assets between his mother, three children and one or more charities.


According to The Wall Street Journal, several sources close with the pop star said a lawyer for Jackson could submit the will - which is thought to be his last - to Los Angeles Superior Court on Thursday.



The star's mother, Katherine Jackson, who was granted temporary guardianship of Jackson's three children on Monday, and husband Joe Jackson have said they believed their son died without a valid will.


"No will has been presented to family or us," L. Londell McMillan, a lawyer for Jackson's parents who also once represented the singer, said in an e-mail to the paper. "We will review any will when we see it."




Joe Jackson - who has been very vocal since his son's passing - is reportedly believed to have been left out of the 2002 will.


It is not known if the 2002 will included instructions on custody of Jackson's three children -- Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11 and Prince Michael II, 7.


The will reportedly names lawyer John Branca and music executive John McClain as executors. Branca was Jackson's primary lawyer from 1980 to 2006, and claims he wrote the 2002 will. Before his sudden death last week, the Branca claims the singer rehired him.




The King of Pop is said to have amassed approximately $500 million in debt, but that his assets could reportedly outweigh that by more than $200 million.


The most valuable part of the Jackson estate could be the singer's 50 percent stake in the Sony/ATV Music Publishing catalog, which the singer owned half of. The massive 750,000-song music catalog includes the work of the Beatles, Bob Dylan, Neil Diamond, Lady Gaga and the Jonas Brothers. The catalog is reportedly estimated to be worth upwards of $2 billion.

[strangegrey]

I find the vast majority of assertions made by jackson regarding his appearance to be complete bullshit....from his claims of his face shape and skin color 'just changing'...

...the Bashir interview where he claims he's had '2 nose jobs that he knows of' is fucking laughable to say the least....how do you not know of a nose job?!?!?!

The guy seemed like a pathological liar...

[Blueskies]

Ugh! Getting too caught up in this saga. I'm shutting it all off now.

[NealIsGod]

Good Lord, let the man RIP already. Get a life.

[The Sushi Hunter]

After seeing the London Press Conference on youtube I was left thinking......Is that Michael or a good impersonator? Just didn't sound like Michael Jackson to me and he didn't really act like Michael. My theory is that Michael was not well at all to do a 50 city tour of any kind but if he had a very good impersonator that could dance and lip sync the songs it would work. That way he could make enough money to pay off his large debt but not have to tour and sing. So what do you think is it Micheal at this London press conference?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_256XQiS1X8&feature=related

Maybe it was LaToya impersonating him. But really, when he was talking, it sounded like he didn't have any nasal passages anymore. Plus the lower voice now, is that so no one would be shocked when it came time for him to sing and he was doing everything a few notes lower then everyone is accustom to him doing? When he was smiling, I couldn't help but notice how wide his mouth is from side to side. I've never noticed his mouth that wide before. But then again, if he was only 90 pounds or whatever, maybe that's why his mouth sticks out so differently now.

One thing for damn sure, JJ doesn't seem to be earning any brownie points for promoting his new label and not morning the death of his son in a way that is reasonable. I'm sort of curious why the community hasn't hammered on his titties for that.

[strangegrey]

Good Lord, let the man RIP already. Get a life.

Nothing I'm saying is preventing that, if God deems that appropriate. You might do better to worry about your own life...

[StoneCold]

Good Lord, let the man RIP already. Get a life.

Nothing I'm saying is preventing that, if God deems that appropriate. You might do better to worry about your own life...

SG, while I don't much pity folks crying about lost millions, I perceive Bernie Madoff's actions as more "evil" than how you've painted MJ to be. I created a thread for opinions if you'd care to give your view on him.

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=42392

I don't defend MJ 'cause I like the music. His music stands apart from anything he may have done. It's a given, MJ was odd, eccentric, and probably mentally ill. Many artists have been.

There's a fine line between genius and insanity.

Oscar Levant

[steveo777]

I should post here on August 29th, 2010. That's my 50th Birthday.