OT: Interesting SP Video FTLOSM Tour

[Gideon]

I will refrain from commenting until I get the greenlight from Andrew.

(But know this: a comment is coming...)

[Lora]

I believe he canceled due to Bronchitis.

That is correct, Lora has posted here that she and Cyndy had flown in for a show and he had cancelled because he was ill.

He had asmatic bronchitis, very nasty stuff. CP & I flew to (of all places) Rochester NY to see a show. We were pretty bummed that the show was cancelled but there was no way he could sing.

I find these "arnel is better - no, sp is better" arguments pointless. I've seen enough shows with Arnel to know that he just doesn't do it for me. He's a good frontman and generates energy and excitement on stage, but I do not feel a single word he sings. It's not a matter of who is 'better.' It is a matter of who you like and who reaches you. Journey has had a resurgence because of Arnel so more power to them, and I am happy for those who are enjoying the music.

[SusieP]

He had asmatic bronchitis, very nasty stuff. CP & I flew to (of all places) Rochester NY to see a show. We were pretty bummed that the show was cancelled but there was no way he could sing.

Sounds horrid.
No wonder the poor bloke cancelled.

I forgive him for not bringing the FTLOSM tour here then.

[SP Fan in Oregon]

I believe he canceled due to Bronchitis.

That is correct, Lora has posted here that she and Cyndy had flown in for a show and he had cancelled because he was ill.

He had asmatic bronchitis, very nasty stuff. CP & I flew to (of all places) Rochester NY to see a show. We were pretty bummed that the show was cancelled but there was no way he could sing.

I find these "arnel is better - no, sp is better" arguments pointless. I've seen enough shows with Arnel to know that he just doesn't do it for me. He's a good frontman and generates energy and excitement on stage, but I do not feel a single word he sings. It's not a matter of who is 'better.' It is a matter of who you like and who reaches you. Journey has had a resurgence because of Arnel so more power to them, and I am happy for those who are enjoying the music.

+1

[portland]

I believe he canceled due to Bronchitis.

That is correct, Lora has posted here that she and Cyndy had flown in for a show and he had cancelled because he was ill.

He had asmatic bronchitis, very nasty stuff. CP & I flew to (of all places) Rochester NY to see a show. We were pretty bummed that the show was cancelled but there was no way he could sing.

I find these "arnel is better - no, sp is better" arguments pointless. I've seen enough shows with Arnel to know that he just doesn't do it for me. He's a good frontman and generates energy and excitement on stage, but I do not feel a single word he sings. It's not a matter of who is 'better.' It is a matter of who you like and who reaches you. Journey has had a resurgence because of Arnel so more power to them, and I am happy for those who are enjoying the music.

Lora - It's funny I was discussing this via PM with someone before you posted....it's all about the connection someone feels to the singer and the songs....it's not about who is better....it's about who touches ones soul.

[brywool]

Wow, That is one terrible clip of that song. Ouch, and even in a lower key.
I have a dvd of one of his shows (Ny? NJ?) and it's a much better performance.
Everyone's entitled to a bad night, but yikes.

[Ftloperry]

The problem does not lie in what he can or can not deliver. The problem lies in "asking for" and/or expecting a specific level of quality. Who cares if he "can top himself" or "match this or that performance". Plenty would simply love the chance to see him perform. I never had that chance, and I would love the opportunity. If he walked out onto a stage and didn't hit this or that note, I'm honestly NOT going to give a damn. It's about so much more than that.

And yes he does blow Arnel away, even on his "worst day". Arnel can leap around and put on a huge bright smile and get everyone excited. He's a good showman and he can emotionlessly parrot what is on the records so that the fans get to hear what they are used to and what they expect. That's what Arnel is good at - VERY good at - and that's what Journey needs.

That crowd is not made up of die-hards. The majority is casuals and back in the day hard cores who want to hear the same DSB and Separate Ways and Open Arms that was playing when they were feeling up their sister's friends in the garage.

Perry, at least the last we saw of him performing, gave the same emotion he always did, and also gave, as he always did, something considerably different than what you hear by spinning Greatest Hits over and over. And even if by some people's standards it wasn't "the best", at least it was not fake and repetitive.

/soapbox

Very well said. Couldn't have said it better BJG!

[KDOUBLEU]

I believe he canceled due to Bronchitis.

That is correct, Lora has posted here that she and Cyndy had flown in for a show and he had cancelled because he was ill.

He had asmatic bronchitis, very nasty stuff. CP & I flew to (of all places) Rochester NY to see a show. We were pretty bummed that the show was cancelled but there was no way he could sing.

I find these "arnel is better - no, sp is better" arguments pointless. I've seen enough shows with Arnel to know that he just doesn't do it for me. He's a good frontman and generates energy and excitement on stage, but I do not feel a single word he sings. It's not a matter of who is 'better.' It is a matter of who you like and who reaches you. Journey has had a resurgence because of Arnel so more power to them, and I am happy for those who are enjoying the music.

I got to see Steve perform in Kalamazoo He sang for two and a half hours straight with no breaks. It was an incredible night and he was spot on every song. I still believe he could pull it off today if he wanted to.

[Eric]

This sounds like shit

[Since 78]

This sounds like shit

But theres soo much emotion!!

[brywool]

yeah if this is what we're classifying as 'great singing' then....

Perry emoted like anything, and sang the crap outta anything...
just not in this clip. He's struggling. and definitely singing around the tough parts.

But he's ever so dreamy.

[Jana]

yeah if this is what we're classifying as 'great singing' then....

Perry emoted like anything, and sang the crap outta anything...
just not in this clip. He's struggling. and definitely singing around the tough parts.

But he's ever so dreamy.

No, he's not singing the crap out of the song. They've got his voice down in the mix. The music is very loud. He's definitely struggling in parts.

Here's what saved it for me: I really don't notice because his hair is so stunning with great bone structure, and the pink/red jacket with black against his skin color with dark hair is holding my attention in this song. He's better looking than younger days b/c his body has filled out and he finally has better rhythm. Keep the music up and it's all good to mask the problems with his voice.

[brywool]

ouch!

I like the clam the keyboard player hits at the beginning.

[Don]

45 years old. It wil be interesting to hear how Pineda sounds then. We will see if the downtuning they are doing now really works as far as saving the vocal cords for later.

[journeyrock]

I believe he canceled due to Bronchitis.

That is correct, Lora has posted here that she and Cyndy had flown in for a show and he had cancelled because he was ill.

He had asmatic bronchitis, very nasty stuff. CP & I flew to (of all places) Rochester NY to see a show. We were pretty bummed that the show was cancelled but there was no way he could sing.

I find these "arnel is better - no, sp is better" arguments pointless. I've seen enough shows with Arnel to know that he just doesn't do it for me. He's a good frontman and generates energy and excitement on stage, but I do not feel a single word he sings. It's not a matter of who is 'better.' It is a matter of who you like and who reaches you. Journey has had a resurgence because of Arnel so more power to them, and I am happy for those who are enjoying the music.

+1,000

[brywool]

45 years old. It wil be interesting to hear how Pineda sounds then. We will see if the downtuning they are doing now really works as far as saving the vocal cords for later.

McCartney is 67 and sounds pretty friggin' great. Still does the tunes in the original key as well and is even throwing stuff in there like "Helter Skelter". I would think that Steve, being the consummate vocalist, which he definitely was, (no argument from me!) would've taken care of himself for the long haul. Gotta wonder if back in the 80s if not as much was known about the voice to give him the tools to take care of himself. It sucks. When I hear THIS GUY have a bad night, it's a bummer. Imagine if he didn't screw his voice up. I'm sure the guy'd still be making music. It's sad.

And he IS ever so dreamy.

[Don]

45 years old. It wil be interesting to hear how Pineda sounds then. We will see if the downtuning they are doing now really works as far as saving the vocal cords for later.

McCartney is 67 and sounds pretty friggin' great. Still does the tunes in the original key as well and is even throwing stuff in there like "Helter Skelter". I would think that Steve, being the consummate vocalist, which he definitely was, (no argument from me!) would've taken care of himself for the long haul. Gotta wonder if back in the 80s if not as much was known about the voice to give him the tools to take care of himself. It sucks. When I hear THIS GUY have a bad night, it's a bummer. Imagine if he didn't screw his voice up. I'm sure the guy'd still be making music. It's sad.

And he IS ever so dreamy.

McCartney isn't an alto singer though, right. Kenny Rogers is 70 and still sounds the same also as he did when he was 40. Something about those high notes just tears singers up I reckon.

[portland]

45 years old. It wil be interesting to hear how Pineda sounds then. We will see if the downtuning they are doing now really works as far as saving the vocal cords for later.

McCartney is 67 and sounds pretty friggin' great. Still does the tunes in the original key as well and is even throwing stuff in there like "Helter Skelter". I would think that Steve, being the consummate vocalist, which he definitely was, (no argument from me!) would've taken care of himself for the long haul. Gotta wonder if back in the 80s if not as much was known about the voice to give him the tools to take care of himself. It sucks. When I hear THIS GUY have a bad night, it's a bummer. Imagine if he didn't screw his voice up. I'm sure the guy'd still be making music. It's sad.

And he IS ever so dreamy.

McCartney isn't an alto singer though, right. Kenny Rogers is 70 and still sounds the same also. Something about those high notes just tears singers up.

Gubot your AV is cracking me up!

[Don]

45 years old. It wil be interesting to hear how Pineda sounds then. We will see if the downtuning they are doing now really works as far as saving the vocal cords for later.

McCartney is 67 and sounds pretty friggin' great. Still does the tunes in the original key as well and is even throwing stuff in there like "Helter Skelter". I would think that Steve, being the consummate vocalist, which he definitely was, (no argument from me!) would've taken care of himself for the long haul. Gotta wonder if back in the 80s if not as much was known about the voice to give him the tools to take care of himself. It sucks. When I hear THIS GUY have a bad night, it's a bummer. Imagine if he didn't screw his voice up. I'm sure the guy'd still be making music. It's sad.

And he IS ever so dreamy.

McCartney isn't an alto singer though, right. Kenny Rogers is 70 and still sounds the same also. Something about those high notes just tears singers up.

Gubot your AV is cracking me up!

Everybody loves Short Round.

The first 10 minutes of Temple of Doom is classic stuff.

[portland]

This sounds like shit

But theres soo much emotion!!

Are you trying to be cute and funny?

[Babyblue]

He still has it & we still want it bad. Oh yeah he was great in the video.

[brywool]

45 years old. It wil be interesting to hear how Pineda sounds then. We will see if the downtuning they are doing now really works as far as saving the vocal cords for later.

McCartney is 67 and sounds pretty friggin' great. Still does the tunes in the original key as well and is even throwing stuff in there like "Helter Skelter". I would think that Steve, being the consummate vocalist, which he definitely was, (no argument from me!) would've taken care of himself for the long haul. Gotta wonder if back in the 80s if not as much was known about the voice to give him the tools to take care of himself. It sucks. When I hear THIS GUY have a bad night, it's a bummer. Imagine if he didn't screw his voice up. I'm sure the guy'd still be making music. It's sad.

And he IS ever so dreamy.

McCartney isn't an alto singer though, right. Kenny Rogers is 70 and still sounds the same also as he did when he was 40. Something about those high notes just tears singers up I reckon.

True, but McCartney sings at the top of HIS range as Perry did too.

[brywool]

He still has it & we still want it bad. Oh yeah he was great in the video.

"Great"??
I can't agree.

[brywool]

45 years old. It wil be interesting to hear how Pineda sounds then. We will see if the downtuning they are doing now really works as far as saving the vocal cords for later.

McCartney is 67 and sounds pretty friggin' great. Still does the tunes in the original key as well and is even throwing stuff in there like "Helter Skelter". I would think that Steve, being the consummate vocalist, which he definitely was, (no argument from me!) would've taken care of himself for the long haul. Gotta wonder if back in the 80s if not as much was known about the voice to give him the tools to take care of himself. It sucks. When I hear THIS GUY have a bad night, it's a bummer. Imagine if he didn't screw his voice up. I'm sure the guy'd still be making music. It's sad.

And he IS ever so dreamy.

McCartney isn't an alto singer though, right. Kenny Rogers is 70 and still sounds the same also. Something about those high notes just tears singers up.

Gubot your AV is cracking me up!

Everybody loves Short Round.

The first 10 minutes of Temple of Doom is classic stuff.

What the hell was the deal with Spielberg always having kids save the day? God I hate Spielberg's stuff.
And now, back to our thread, already in progress....

[Saint John]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQkq0qssA2M

Steve is close to 45 I think in this video? I found it interesting because clearly he's having a hard time on some of the notes in this one. Especially at the 2:32 mark, where you can see it in his eyes "this note's going to be a little tough!". He's also sometimes just singing the notes rather than the word. The tempo is a little fast, it's tuned down to what I think the band plays it now? In all fairness, it appears to be the last song of the set. I'm a huge MFSP fan, but to think this man could come close to even this performance at near 60 years old, just might be too much to ask for.

For all the shit Journey gets these days I find it funny how, all things considered, they're far closer to the original sound musically and vocally than this version. Listen to that song and tell me that musically that wasn't awful. Vocally, he ducks every note that requires emotion and/or power. He does skillfully recreate the song, but it's easy to see he's doing so to mask a voice that simply can't sing the song the way he once did. And that would be ok if he had even an iota of emotion and/or power, but it's more of a diversion than anything. He even lacks the emotion in his face and body that he once had. It's like he's just trying to get by and survive the song rather than sing it with emotion.

[E5C4P3ING]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQkq0qssA2M

Steve is close to 45 I think in this video? I found it interesting because clearly he's having a hard time on some of the notes in this one. Especially at the 2:32 mark, where you can see it in his eyes "this note's going to be a little tough!". He's also sometimes just singing the notes rather than the word. The tempo is a little fast, it's tuned down to what I think the band plays it now? In all fairness, it appears to be the last song of the set. I'm a huge MFSP fan, but to think this man could come close to even this performance at near 60 years old, just might be too much to ask for.

For all the shit Journey gets these days I find it funny how, all things considered, they're far closer to the original sound musically and vocally than this version. Listen to that song and tell me that musically that wasn't awful. Vocally, he ducks every note that requires emotion and/or power. He does skillfully recreate the song, but it's easy to see he's doing so to mask a voice that simply can't sing the song the way he once did. And that would be ok if he had even an iota of emotion and/or power, but it's more of a diversion than anything. He even lacks the emotion in his face and body that he once had. It's like he's just trying to get by and survive the song rather than sing it with emotion.

If my memory serves me correctly, Perry had some health issues on that tour which ultimately caused him to shut it down early. The New Orleans show was postponed once and then canceled before the make up date.

As far as Pineda goes, I still have a difficult time listening to his diction. It's not his fault, I'm sure he gives it his all each night, but I will have to continue to pass on purchasing any concert tickets or CD's as long as he fronts the band.

[Saint John]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQkq0qssA2M

Steve is close to 45 I think in this video? I found it interesting because clearly he's having a hard time on some of the notes in this one. Especially at the 2:32 mark, where you can see it in his eyes "this note's going to be a little tough!". He's also sometimes just singing the notes rather than the word. The tempo is a little fast, it's tuned down to what I think the band plays it now? In all fairness, it appears to be the last song of the set. I'm a huge MFSP fan, but to think this man could come close to even this performance at near 60 years old, just might be too much to ask for.

For all the shit Journey gets these days I find it funny how, all things considered, they're far closer to the original sound musically and vocally than this version. Listen to that song and tell me that musically that wasn't awful. Vocally, he ducks every note that requires emotion and/or power. He does skillfully recreate the song, but it's easy to see he's doing so to mask a voice that simply can't sing the song the way he once did. And that would be ok if he had even an iota of emotion and/or power, but it's more of a diversion than anything. He even lacks the emotion in his face and body that he once had. It's like he's just trying to get by and survive the song rather than sing it with emotion.

If my memory serves me correctly, Perry had some health issues on that tour which ultimately caused him to shut it down early. The New Orleans show was postponed once and then canceled before the make up date.

As far as Pineda goes, I still have a difficult time listening to his diction. It's not his fault, I'm sure he gives it his all each night, but I will have to continue to pass on purchasing any concert tickets or CD's as long as he fronts the band.

I can honestly say that the 3 times I saw him on the FTLOSM tour that the versions of SW were far better than this one. Only The Young was atrocious and one other song was pretty mediocre, but he pretty much kicked ass on the rest.

[portland]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQkq0qssA2M

Steve is close to 45 I think in this video? I found it interesting because clearly he's having a hard time on some of the notes in this one. Especially at the 2:32 mark, where you can see it in his eyes "this note's going to be a little tough!". He's also sometimes just singing the notes rather than the word. The tempo is a little fast, it's tuned down to what I think the band plays it now? In all fairness, it appears to be the last song of the set. I'm a huge MFSP fan, but to think this man could come close to even this performance at near 60 years old, just might be too much to ask for.

For all the shit Journey gets these days I find it funny how, all things considered, they're far closer to the original sound musically and vocally than this version. Listen to that song and tell me that musically that wasn't awful. Vocally, he ducks every note that requires emotion and/or power. He does skillfully recreate the song, but it's easy to see he's doing so to mask a voice that simply can't sing the song the way he once did. And that would be ok if he had even an iota of emotion and/or power, but it's more of a diversion than anything. He even lacks the emotion in his face and body that he once had. It's like he's just trying to get by and survive the song rather than sing it with emotion.

If my memory serves me correctly, Perry had some health issues on that tour which ultimately caused him to shut it down early. The New Orleans show was postponed once and then canceled before the make up date.

As far as Pineda goes, I still have a difficult time listening to his diction. It's not his fault, I'm sure he gives it his all each night, but I will have to continue to pass on purchasing any concert tickets or CD's as long as he fronts the band.

I can honestly say that the 3 times I saw him on the FTLOSM tour that the versions of SW were far better than this one. Only The Young was atrocious and one other song was pretty mediocre, but he pretty much kicked ass on the rest.

Good evening SJ - nice to see you tonight

[Melissa]

I'll probably get beaten for saying this, even though I have as much respect for SP's talent back in his day than anyone else. But I find it so interesting on stuff like this how no one nit-picks the way some words come out like they do with Arnel. Take the beginning- he says "toe" instead of "two". He says "yo" instead of "you". Now mind you this stuff doesn't bother me one bit with either singer, different little inflections and stuff are what make live stuff so unique. It's just interesting because I guarantee if this were an AP version and those words were his, he'd be raked over the coals.

[Saint John]

Good evening SJ - nice to see you tonight

Good evening, darlin'.