OT: Interesting SP Video FTLOSM Tour

[Jana]

I'll probably get beaten for saying this, even though I have as much respect for SP's talent back in his day than anyone else. But I find it so interesting on stuff like this how no one nit-picks the way some words come out like they do with Arnel. Take the beginning- he says "toe" instead of "two". He says "yo" instead of "you". Now mind you this stuff doesn't bother me one bit with either singer, different little inflections and stuff are what make live stuff so unique. It's just interesting because I guarantee if this were an AP version and those words were his, he'd be raked over the coals.

Oh, no, I've thought about that b/c of the way he pronounces certain words. I can remember when I first got TBF there's a song where one word he said over and over I couldn't figure it out b/c of the way he was pronouncing it. I finally, after listening to it many times, deduced the word it was and looked on lyrics and I was right.

[youkeepmewaiting]

I'll probably get beaten for saying this, even though I have as much respect for SP's talent back in his day than anyone else. But I find it so interesting on stuff like this how no one nit-picks the way some words come out like they do with Arnel. Take the beginning- he says "toe" instead of "two". He says "yo" instead of "you". Now mind you this stuff doesn't bother me one bit with either singer, different little inflections and stuff are what make live stuff so unique. It's just interesting because I guarantee if this were an AP version and those words were his, he'd be raked over the coals.

Weird, before I thought of posting the exact same thing. I think singing TO is harder than singing than singing TOE , vocalist on here I'm sure can explain, it feels harder to sing it... dont know how to explain...

[Jubilee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQkq0qssA2M

Steve is close to 45 I think in this video? I found it interesting because clearly he's having a hard time on some of the notes in this one. Especially at the 2:32 mark, where you can see it in his eyes "this note's going to be a little tough!". He's also sometimes just singing the notes rather than the word. The tempo is a little fast, it's tuned down to what I think the band plays it now? In all fairness, it appears to be the last song of the set. I'm a huge MFSP fan, but to think this man could come close to even this performance at near 60 years old, just might be too much to ask for.

For all the shit Journey gets these days I find it funny how, all things considered, they're far closer to the original sound musically and vocally than this version. Listen to that song and tell me that musically that wasn't awful. Vocally, he ducks every note that requires emotion and/or power. He does skillfully recreate the song, but it's easy to see he's doing so to mask a voice that simply can't sing the song the way he once did. And that would be ok if he had even an iota of emotion and/or power, but it's more of a diversion than anything. He even lacks the emotion in his face and body that he once had. It's like he's just trying to get by and survive the song rather than sing it with emotion.

Okay, SJ, now you've gone and done it....

Seriously? Is there honestly any way to really compare the two? With all due respect, Perry (the vocalist) doesn't have the luxury of interchangeable parts unlike Journey (the band). I've never understood this "ducking" the notes nonsense. There is no argument Perry's voice had undergone changes, and he couldn't perform the songs the way he once did - no one could. It's almost an unfair standard. I think trying to "sing the song the way he once did" would have resulted in a complete and utter train-wreck. IMHO he made smart choices and didn't try to pretend he was something he wasn't (namely 28 yrs old again).

[Don]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQkq0qssA2M

Steve is close to 45 I think in this video? I found it interesting because clearly he's having a hard time on some of the notes in this one. Especially at the 2:32 mark, where you can see it in his eyes "this note's going to be a little tough!". He's also sometimes just singing the notes rather than the word. The tempo is a little fast, it's tuned down to what I think the band plays it now? In all fairness, it appears to be the last song of the set. I'm a huge MFSP fan, but to think this man could come close to even this performance at near 60 years old, just might be too much to ask for.

For all the shit Journey gets these days I find it funny how, all things considered, they're far closer to the original sound musically and vocally than this version. Listen to that song and tell me that musically that wasn't awful. Vocally, he ducks every note that requires emotion and/or power. He does skillfully recreate the song, but it's easy to see he's doing so to mask a voice that simply can't sing the song the way he once did. And that would be ok if he had even an iota of emotion and/or power, but it's more of a diversion than anything. He even lacks the emotion in his face and body that he once had. It's like he's just trying to get by and survive the song rather than sing it with emotion.

Okay, SJ, now you've gone and done it....

Seriously? Is there honestly any way to really compare the two? With all due respect, Perry (the vocalist) doesn't have the luxury of interchangeable parts unlike Journey (the band). I've never understood this "ducking" the notes nonsense. There is no argument Perry's voice had undergone changes, and he couldn't perform the songs the way he once did - no one could. It's almost an unfair standard. I think trying to "sing the song the way he once did" would have resulted in a complete and utter train-wreck. IMHO he made smart choices and didn't try to pretend he was something he wasn't (namely 28 yrs old again).

In a few years, chances are AP will be in the same boat vocally, we'll see how that goes over.

[youkeepmewaiting]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQkq0qssA2M

Steve is close to 45 I think in this video? I found it interesting because clearly he's having a hard time on some of the notes in this one. Especially at the 2:32 mark, where you can see it in his eyes "this note's going to be a little tough!". He's also sometimes just singing the notes rather than the word. The tempo is a little fast, it's tuned down to what I think the band plays it now? In all fairness, it appears to be the last song of the set. I'm a huge MFSP fan, but to think this man could come close to even this performance at near 60 years old, just might be too much to ask for.

For all the shit Journey gets these days I find it funny how, all things considered, they're far closer to the original sound musically and vocally than this version. Listen to that song and tell me that musically that wasn't awful. Vocally, he ducks every note that requires emotion and/or power. He does skillfully recreate the song, but it's easy to see he's doing so to mask a voice that simply can't sing the song the way he once did. And that would be ok if he had even an iota of emotion and/or power, but it's more of a diversion than anything. He even lacks the emotion in his face and body that he once had. It's like he's just trying to get by and survive the song rather than sing it with emotion.

Okay, SJ, now you've gone and done it....

Seriously? Is there honestly any way to really compare the two? With all due respect, Perry (the vocalist) doesn't have the luxury of interchangeable parts unlike Journey (the band). I've never understood this "ducking" the notes nonsense. There is no argument Perry's voice had undergone changes, and he couldn't perform the songs the way he once did - no one could. It's almost an unfair standard. I think trying to "sing the song the way he once did" would have resulted in a complete and utter train-wreck. IMHO he made smart choices and didn't try to pretend he was something he wasn't (namely 28 yrs old again).

I agree with everything you said. However.. AP would get raped for ducking notes by some people on here

[Saint John]

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Okay, SJ, now you've gone and done it....

Seriously? Is there honestly any way to really compare the two? With all due respect, Perry (the vocalist) doesn't have the luxury of interchangeable parts unlike Journey (the band). I've never understood this "ducking" the notes nonsense. There is no argument Perry's voice had undergone changes, and he couldn't perform the songs the way he once did - no one could. It's almost an unfair standard. I think trying to "sing the song the way he once did" would have resulted in a complete and utter train-wreck. IMHO he made smart choices and didn't try to pretend he was something he wasn't (namely 28 yrs old again).

I don't have a problem with him not singing the song like he did when he was 28...until it doesn't even sound like Separate Ways anymore. That song was simply not a good version in any respect.

[brywool]

I'll probably get beaten for saying this, even though I have as much respect for SP's talent back in his day than anyone else. But I find it so interesting on stuff like this how no one nit-picks the way some words come out like they do with Arnel. Take the beginning- he says "toe" instead of "two". He says "yo" instead of "you". Now mind you this stuff doesn't bother me one bit with either singer, different little inflections and stuff are what make live stuff so unique. It's just interesting because I guarantee if this were an AP version and those words were his, he'd be raked over the coals.

Weird, before I thought of posting the exact same thing. I think singing TOE is harder than singing than singing TO, vocalist on here I'm sure can explain, it feels harder to sing it... dont know how to explain...

TO is much harder if it's a high note. There's something about the ooo sound that's really tough on high notes.
I think that this was just a tough song for him that night. Check out other performances from that tour.
Some are really good and some aren't that great. I remember hearing versions of SW from 83 that were REALLY sped up and he sang a low note on the choruses. This clip is better than those, but not great.

But he really is Ever so dreamy....

[texafana]

I'll probably get beaten for saying this, even though I have as much respect for SP's talent back in his day than anyone else. But I find it so interesting on stuff like this how no one nit-picks the way some words come out like they do with Arnel. Take the beginning- he says "toe" instead of "two". He says "yo" instead of "you". Now mind you this stuff doesn't bother me one bit with either singer, different little inflections and stuff are what make live stuff so unique. It's just interesting because I guarantee if this were an AP version and those words were his, he'd be raked over the coals.

Technically he is singing "toe" and "yo" because it allows him to open his mouth wider to get that back of the throat / vocal chords stretching note a tad easier. "Two" and "You" require a much more confined vocal delivery.

[youkeepmewaiting]

I'll probably get beaten for saying this, even though I have as much respect for SP's talent back in his day than anyone else. But I find it so interesting on stuff like this how no one nit-picks the way some words come out like they do with Arnel. Take the beginning- he says "toe" instead of "two". He says "yo" instead of "you". Now mind you this stuff doesn't bother me one bit with either singer, different little inflections and stuff are what make live stuff so unique. It's just interesting because I guarantee if this were an AP version and those words were his, he'd be raked over the coals.

Weird, before I thought of posting the exact same thing. I think singing TOE is harder than singing than singing TO, vocalist on here I'm sure can explain, it feels harder to sing it... dont know how to explain...

TO is much harder if it's a high note. There's something about the ooo sound that's really tough on high notes.
I think that this was just a tough song for him that night. Check out other performances from that tour.
Some are really good and some aren't that great. I remember hearing versions of SW from 83 that were REALLY sped up and he sang a low note on the choruses. This clip is better than those, but not great.

But he really is Ever so dreamy....

Sorry I got my TOE's and My 2's the wrong way round, I was right though so its all good

It a bit silly when people say that SP at his worst is still better than Arnel, even Loons cant be that Loony... but his hair is so long, smooth and wavey

[Melissa]

I'll probably get beaten for saying this, even though I have as much respect for SP's talent back in his day than anyone else. But I find it so interesting on stuff like this how no one nit-picks the way some words come out like they do with Arnel. Take the beginning- he says "toe" instead of "two". He says "yo" instead of "you". Now mind you this stuff doesn't bother me one bit with either singer, different little inflections and stuff are what make live stuff so unique. It's just interesting because I guarantee if this were an AP version and those words were his, he'd be raked over the coals.

Weird, before I thought of posting the exact same thing. I think singing TO is harder than singing than singing TOE , vocalist on here I'm sure can explain, it feels harder to sing it... dont know how to explain...

Yep I'm sure there are reasons for different inflections and things live. I totally understand that. I did see one of these shows back in '94, and it was great

[Melissa]

I'll probably get beaten for saying this, even though I have as much respect for SP's talent back in his day than anyone else. But I find it so interesting on stuff like this how no one nit-picks the way some words come out like they do with Arnel. Take the beginning- he says "toe" instead of "two". He says "yo" instead of "you". Now mind you this stuff doesn't bother me one bit with either singer, different little inflections and stuff are what make live stuff so unique. It's just interesting because I guarantee if this were an AP version and those words were his, he'd be raked over the coals.

Technically he is singing "toe" and "yo" because it allows him to open his mouth wider to get that back of the throat / vocal chords stretching note a tad easier. "Two" and "You" require a much more confined vocal delivery.

Yep I realize that. Even just speaking those words, even your mouth has to be more tense for "to" and "you" than with "toe" and "yo", LOL. Was just pointing out it's interesting that no one seems to bring stuff like that up when it's AP and he's getting slammed for how HE delivers certain words/notes Just interesting, that's all. Carry on, LOL.

[KDOUBLEU]

I'll probably get beaten for saying this, even though I have as much respect for SP's talent back in his day than anyone else. But I find it so interesting on stuff like this how no one nit-picks the way some words come out like they do with Arnel. Take the beginning- he says "toe" instead of "two". He says "yo" instead of "you". Now mind you this stuff doesn't bother me one bit with either singer, different little inflections and stuff are what make live stuff so unique. It's just interesting because I guarantee if this were an AP version and those words were his, he'd be raked over the coals.

Technically he is singing "toe" and "yo" because it allows him to open his mouth wider to get that back of the throat / vocal chords stretching note a tad easier. "Two" and "You" require a much more confined vocal delivery.

Yep I realize that. Even just speaking those words, even your mouth has to be more tense for "to" and "you" than with "toe" and "yo", LOL. Was just pointing out it's interesting that no one seems to bring stuff like that up when it's AP and he's getting slammed for how HE delivers certain words/notes Just interesting, that's all. Carry on, LOL.

All singers have good and bad nights None of us would be able to pull off what these guys do every night.

[Melissa]

I'll probably get beaten for saying this, even though I have as much respect for SP's talent back in his day than anyone else. But I find it so interesting on stuff like this how no one nit-picks the way some words come out like they do with Arnel. Take the beginning- he says "toe" instead of "two". He says "yo" instead of "you". Now mind you this stuff doesn't bother me one bit with either singer, different little inflections and stuff are what make live stuff so unique. It's just interesting because I guarantee if this were an AP version and those words were his, he'd be raked over the coals.

Technically he is singing "toe" and "yo" because it allows him to open his mouth wider to get that back of the throat / vocal chords stretching note a tad easier. "Two" and "You" require a much more confined vocal delivery.

Yep I realize that. Even just speaking those words, even your mouth has to be more tense for "to" and "you" than with "toe" and "yo", LOL. Was just pointing out it's interesting that no one seems to bring stuff like that up when it's AP and he's getting slammed for how HE delivers certain words/notes Just interesting, that's all. Carry on, LOL.

All singers have good and bad nights None of us would be able to pull off what these guys do every night.

Of course. Pretty much the point.

[SP Fan in Oregon]

Do any of you know all the cities Steve Perry appeared in concert
during the FTLOSM tour? Is information about the tour posted somewhere?

[Babyblue]

Do any of you know all the cities Steve Perry appeared in concert
during the FTLOSM tour? Is information about the tour posted somewhere?

Well not close by me I would have gone to see him once again.

[WykkedSensation]

Do any of you know all the cities Steve Perry appeared in concert
during the FTLOSM tour? Is information about the tour posted somewhere?

Rubicon is a decent source, but i have shows that they don't list at all.
Its a very good source though for Journey dates and associated bands.
Click the link below.

http://www.angelfire.com/music/collections/index2.htm

[SP Fan in Oregon]

Do any of you know all the cities Steve Perry appeared in concert
during the FTLOSM tour? Is information about the tour posted somewhere?

Rubicon is a decent source, but i have shows that they don't list at all.
Its a very good source though for Journey dates and associated bands.
Click the link below.

http://www.angelfire.com/music/collections/index2.htm

Hey, thanks for the link.

[annie89509]

SP gave us all he had for a number of years ... as Nig said ... almost superhuman efforts. Age ... wear and tear on the vocal cords ... nothing will change the legacy and the hold he has over us (thank god for the boots and sharing)! I have a lot of FTLOSM boots ... some great performances ... some hard to listen to. But it is all SP ... and we will always cherish them as treasures.

[Don]

Boot DVD's I have.

Soundstage 78
Blue Jean Network
Osaka 80 - Pro Shot
Tokyo 81 - Pro Shot (remastered with Dolby)
Tokyo 83 - Pro Shot

With JSS
Omaha

I have enough to hold me over for a long time. Those are the years I'm interested in so I'm good to go.

[bluejeangirl76]

LMAO at your avatar, Gunbot!!

[Don]

LMAO at your avatar, Gunbot!!

It came in my Company Email. I just had to use it.

[annie89509]

Do any of you know all the cities Steve Perry appeared in concert
during the FTLOSM tour? Is information about the tour posted somewhere?

Here are the dates listed on the re-mastered cd. I believe he played all the cities listed ... cancelling the few that came after. Maybe Lora/Cyndy can confirm.

[annie89509]

haha, I'm not good in posting pics. Let's try that 1st page of the tour schedule again:

[SP Fan in Oregon]

haha, I'm not good in posting pics. Let's try that 1st page of the tour schedule again:

Thank you. Lots of Cities.......!!

[E5C4P3ING]

Wow! Look at the number of consecutive nights on the Vacation Over Tour and The Arrival and Red 13 Tours!

No Mortal Man's Voice could hold up to that kind of Punishment.

Much has been said regarding Steve Augeri's crash; seeing this visual really drives the point home.

My respect for Mr. Augeri has been bolstered.

[SP Fan in Oregon]

Wow! Look at the number of consecutive nights on the Vacation Over Tour and The Arrival and Red 13 Tours!

No Mortal Man's Voice could hold up to that kind of Punishment.

Much has been said regarding Steve Augeri's crash; seeing this visual really drives the point home.

My respect for Mr. Augeri has been bolstered.

Did you see the Journey schedule and what SP's voice went through too? Perhaps he isn't a mortal?

[youkeepmewaiting]

Why is he an idiot? Really?!

Perry new what happened to his voice in the 80s.. so when he returns he just does the same thing again! Why not space them out Stevie.

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

I'll probably get beaten for saying this, even though I have as much respect for SP's talent back in his day than anyone else. But I find it so interesting on stuff like this how no one nit-picks the way some words come out like they do with Arnel. Take the beginning- he says "toe" instead of "two". He says "yo" instead of "you". Now mind you this stuff doesn't bother me one bit with either singer, different little inflections and stuff are what make live stuff so unique. It's just interesting because I guarantee if this were an AP version and those words were his, he'd be raked over the coals.

Technically he is singing "toe" and "yo" because it allows him to open his mouth wider to get that back of the throat / vocal chords stretching note a tad easier. "Two" and "You" require a much more confined vocal delivery.

exactly. the back of the throat is more open naturally on "Ohs" than "OOs". It is possible to sing the more closed vowels with an open throat and dropped palette but distorting the vowel sound a little works well too. (a purely loonish observation here but MfluffinSP is just dang hot. just sayin....)

Doesn't JSS say 'may' instead of 'my'? but he did that early on in his work--not just since he has gotten more experienced.