One More - Oslo

[youkeepmewaiting]

Had my battles with Gideon, but I gotta say the guy had some really good points upon his departure. I belong to two other boards that are not nearly as heavily moderated and dictated as this one is, and everyone seems to get along just fine. It's stunning to me how much testosterone can cloud judgment on both sides of an argument.

It's amazing how much passion and stupidity there is when it comes to talking about Journey wich then starts to seep into other places.

[Maui Tom]

No, Andrew, and I'll tell you why you couldn't live with it. You're a fair and impartial moderator. .

Not according to your long winded (as usual) post at another forum. Why state on thing here and the "truth" elsewhere?



So, chill out and re-consider some parts of your posting style and all will be fine.

Kiss of death.....being two faced...

notice Andrew didn't shit can him either...the kid left on his own...

[Blueskies]

No, Andrew, and I'll tell you why you couldn't live with it. You're a fair and impartial moderator. .

Not according to your long winded (as usual) post at another forum. Why state on thing here and the "truth" elsewhere?



So, chill out and re-consider some parts of your posting style and all will be fine.

Kiss of death.....being two faced...

notice Andrew didn't shit can him either...the kid left on his own...

Exactly. He chose to leave...he wasn't banned.

[Don]

No, Andrew, and I'll tell you why you couldn't live with it. You're a fair and impartial moderator. .

Not according to your long winded (as usual) post at another forum. Why state on thing here and the "truth" elsewhere?


So, chill out and re-consider some parts of your posting style and all will be fine.

Kiss of death.....being two faced...

notice Andrew didn't shit can him either...the kid left on his own...

Exactly. He chose to leave...he wasn't banned.

That isn't cool.

[Vladan]

LOl, yeah I had a good chat with Jessiah/Gideon on MSN, have you actually noticed, he kinda looks like Andrew? it's the glasses man, I tell ya.

Gideon, you have fun, take care of your lady.

[Vladan]

Notsomuch, mis amigo.

Here, a link to my myspace page:

http://www.myspace.com/chicky_boi

and Gideon's:

http://www.myspace.com/jrnyfan2006

As you can see, I have much better hair.

Interesting, shaving wouldn't be difficult for you I see - just step out into the wind... gone. Yeah it's OK pal, we've been there too

[Andrew]

Had my battles with Gideon, but I gotta say the guy had some really good points upon his departure. I belong to two other boards that are not nearly as heavily moderated and dictated as this one is, and everyone seems to get along just fine. It's stunning to me how much testosterone can cloud judgment on both sides of an argument.

You think this board is heavily moderrated??????????

[Maui Tom]

Let's just say Andrew is flying the plane...

[steveo777]

Had my battles with Gideon, but I gotta say the guy had some really good points upon his departure. I belong to two other boards that are not nearly as heavily moderated and dictated as this one is, and everyone seems to get along just fine. It's stunning to me how much testosterone can cloud judgment on both sides of an argument.

You think this board is heavily moderrated??????????

No. I help manage 150,000 heathens on another board I moderate. I normally have 20-50 people on a ban cycle per week. The problem is if you lay down rules and you don't execute and enforce people will push the envelope and run right over you. Then all you hear about is how mean the moderators are, when infact, the people have been cut way more slack than they deserved.

[Don]

Gideon/ Strange Medicine took the issue here to another internet board. Andrew still didn't ban him after that. Gideon removed himself. I don't know why Andrew would be the bad guy in this situation.

Of course, since Gideon is no longer a member here, the best course of action would be to refrain from talking about him as he can not offer a rebuttal.

[Andrew]

Had my battles with Gideon, but I gotta say the guy had some really good points upon his departure. I belong to two other boards that are not nearly as heavily moderated and dictated as this one is, and everyone seems to get along just fine. It's stunning to me how much testosterone can cloud judgment on both sides of an argument.

You think this board is heavily moderrated??????????

No. I help manage 150,000 heathens on another board I moderate. I normally have 20-50 people on a ban cycle per week. The problem is if you lay down rules and you don't execute and enforce people will push the envelope and run right over you. Then all you hear about is how mean the moderators are, when infact, the people have been cut way more slack than they deserved.

Sure....but you know what....in terms of THIS message board - it's pretty hard to get banned. And it's not hard to reach out for me via mail or PM or posting right here on the board. I'm always available for the many personalities with issues on here and I don't think it is hard to get along with me.

And if a few get all pissy and declare I'm unfair and bias....then whoopie do really. These aren't the folks that made this board what it is and respect the community of users on here.

The people I care about and who know me best are the ones that have been on here for years and truly support the site and this scene in general and put their money where their month is with donations, CD purchases and those many that came along to MelodicRockFest in 07. God bless you all!

[Deb]

I'm not sensitive. I simply find you annoying and think you are an over(self)valued windbag who loves the sound of his own voice (type). The tyrant has spoken!

Ah, see, you two are communicating. This is good.

BTW, he has called Deano out a lot recently. So he doesn't totally let Deano off the hook. Andrew has deleted some of Deano's posts and told him enough. Dean just hasn't been around that much to irritate Andrew, except posting in the political threads.

You're not going to win demanding things of Andrew, Giddy. At least, Saint John will usually always know when to back down and not bother. He still makes his posts and points. He just doesn't argue a whole lot with Andrew. And Tito, well Tito is another story. He can be like a retarded pitbull and keep pushing with his posts when he's warned. He can't help himself. It's part of his charm.

[ScarabGator]

Giddy, Andrew!!!!! Cant we all just get along????? How about I take you fellas out and show you the dark side of south georgia?????

I'm not interested in a forum where the administrator insults everyone who doesn't adhere to the party line and demonstrates selectivity in punishing offenders. The excuse that he's on a limited timeframe has gotten old and there are alternatives. Where was he when I was being flamed, bashed, threatened?

But I'm just an arrogant, punk kid. I'll pass.

Congratulations, Andrew. I'm officially out of your nose.

Gideon, bro I really wish you'd hang around. Everyone goes thru peaks and valleys, hell look at me.

[Eric]

Had my battles with Gideon, but I gotta say the guy had some really good points upon his departure. I belong to two other boards that are not nearly as heavily moderated and dictated as this one is, and everyone seems to get along just fine. It's stunning to me how much testosterone can cloud judgment on both sides of an argument.

You think this board is heavily moderrated??????????

He's not been to many boards if that is his opinion....

[Onestepper]

Had my battles with Gideon, but I gotta say the guy had some really good points upon his departure. I belong to two other boards that are not nearly as heavily moderated and dictated as this one is, and everyone seems to get along just fine. It's stunning to me how much testosterone can cloud judgment on both sides of an argument.

You think this board is heavily moderrated??????????

No. I help manage 150,000 heathens on another board I moderate. I normally have 20-50 people on a ban cycle per week. The problem is if you lay down rules and you don't execute and enforce people will push the envelope and run right over you. Then all you hear about is how mean the moderators are, when infact, the people have been cut way more slack than they deserved.

Sure....but you know what....in terms of THIS message board - it's pretty hard to get banned. And it's not hard to reach out for me via mail or PM or posting right here on the board. I'm always available for the many personalities with issues on here and I don't think it is hard to get along with me.

And if a few get all pissy and declare I'm unfair and bias....then whoopie do really. These aren't the folks that made this board what it is and respect the community of users on here.

The people I care about and who know me best are the ones that have been on here for years and truly support the site and this scene in general and put their money where their month is with donations, CD purchases and those many that came along to MelodicRockFest in 07. God bless you all!

Well you kind of reaffirmed with your statement above what I felt all along. Unless you are a long timer, or an insider, you are treated differently. That is fine. Like others have said, this is your board and I don't go into other people's houses and tell them how to run it. I do think Gideon could be a complete self righteous asshole at times. I just don't think what he did in this thread was that worthy of getting all pissy with him. Obviously he said some things on another board that I am not aware of so that may have led to that reaction.

Oh, and as far as not attending your music festival, or not being here from the start, please don't generalize that those that could not attend, or didn't post 1,000 times over the last 10 years don't have a passion or respect for the community. I would be MORE than happy to make a donation if it helped run a board that I get value or entertainment from. But not if I'm talked about like I'm a second class citizen just because I not am linked in with the 'in' crowd.

[Andrew]

Like others have said, this is your board and I don't go into other people's houses and tell them how to run it.

I do think Gideon could be a complete self righteous asshole at times.

Point A - That's great....you and me will have no problems then.

Point B - I like you more already.

My final point - I don't mean to imply that you have to be part of any "in" crowd to survive here without me looking out for you. I will continue to look out for everyone and if there is a problem or issue, I'll deal with it wether you have 10,000 posts or 10 posts.

My point was if you are to get all pissy and holier than thou with me (such as a certain user did), then I might respect the comments more so if I respected the poster they were coming from. Respect comes from getting to know each other and hanging out.

I'm just defending myself on the few occasions I have a rough week and just can't be bothered being lectured to. One thing I hate more than anything.

Cheers,
Andrew.

[Onestepper]

Like others have said, this is your board and I don't go into other people's houses and tell them how to run it.

I do think Gideon could be a complete self righteous asshole at times.

Point A - That's great....you and me will have no problems then.

Point B - I like you more already.

My final point - I don't mean to imply that you have to be part of any "in" crowd to survive here without me looking out for you. I will continue to look out for everyone and if there is a problem or issue, I'll deal with it wether you have 10,000 posts or 10 posts.

My point was if you are to get all pissy and holier than thou with me (such as a certain user did), then I might respect the comments more so if I respected the poster they were coming from. Respect comes from getting to know each other and hanging out.

I'm just defending myself on the few occasions I have a rough week and just can't be bothered being lectured to. One thing I hate more than anything.

Cheers,
Andrew.

Noted and appreciated. Thanks!

[Deacon]

Point B - I like you more already.

The objectivity within that statement is blinding.

Cheers

Backatcha.

[Andrew]

Point B - I like you more already.

The objectivity within that statement is blinding.

If I think someone is a tool, then I will state so. Doesn't make me unobjective. Your buddy is gone, so let's just get on with things, ok?

[Deacon]

Point B - I like you more already.

The objectivity within that statement is blinding.

If I think someone is a tool, then I will state so. Doesn't make me unobjective. Your buddy is gone, so let's just get on with things, ok?

Oh, I'm quite past it, Andrew. You're the one that seems so keen on bringing his spirit back through the aforementioned statements, whether willingly or not.

And yes, it does make you nonobjective because you're stating subjective material, in a hateful way I might add. C'mon, buddy. You know these things. You've seen the pompous ass that Gideon was preach that numerous times, haven't you? Hell, I've even stated it before. All you have to do is admit it.

[Andrew]

You can join him if you want.

[Deacon]

But why would I choose to?

I have no qualms with you, nor anyone else that dwells within this forum board.

Wait a minute... You think that I'm lecturing you, don't you?

[slucero]

I used to moderate on MTV, and the L-word... paid gig... and it was stated policy to ban anyone for bashing a mod, or posting indirectly anything negative about any moderator... there was no need to discuss moderators.

When we banned someone every post of theirs went too... I remember banning one fella who had 5 plus years worth of posts. He wasn't happy, but he knew the rules... cause we PM'd them to him for fucking ever until we decided to ban him.

Banned posters freaked cause they lost post count when banned... but that was their fault...

Interesting thing... after a period of time... bannings kinda mellowed out... as did any post chatter regarding moderation.... cause people stopped getting out of line.

"Fear is the ultimate motivator"

[Deacon]

That method is rather pathetic, in my own humble opinion. Stifling all conversation about moderation eliminates any chance for explanation and lets moderator bias run rampant. In my experiences of course [and no, I wasn't the moderator to all of you naysayers!!! ]

[DavidC]

That's hilarious...measuring a singer's stage presence with the volume muted. This is Journey, not some group that needs a circus front man to get the crowd interested. First and foremost is vocal ability, and if the singer gets a bit into it during the performance, why not.

Very simple, the simple fact I actually laughed out loud when I saw the clip muted, that shouldn't happen. Arnel acts like a clown on stage, he looks absolutely and completely ridicules. Can't dance, can't work the crowed, and just looks self indulgent for the most part, in his own world. It's everything distant to what he should be, he's in Journey.

The simple truth is, you and the rest who replied are in denial.

Here's the problem. Every single singer Journey has had, and will have in the future will always be judged, being their shitty ability to command the crowed, broken English, who knows! but day in day, it's a proven fact - they should of never continued without Perry, plain and simple.

That's the truth pal, you want it, you got it

Vladan watch the UK download festival with 80K audience, then if you still believe Arnel could not work the crowd... you're in denial

Sorry, you are never going to successfully argue with a Perry loon. It's quite pointless. The reviews say different than Vlad's take on things. Thousands of people enjoying Journey? According to Vlad's point of view, this simply cannot be....yet it is. Every forum needs a buttlicking Perry sycophant or two.

That's hilarious...measuring a singer's stage presence with the volume muted. This is Journey, not some group that needs a circus front man to get the crowd interested. First and foremost is vocal ability, and if the singer gets a bit into it during the performance, why not.

Very simple, the simple fact I actually laughed out loud when I saw the clip muted, that shouldn't happen. Arnel acts like a clown on stage, he looks absolutely and completely ridicules. Can't dance, can't work the crowed, and just looks self indulgent for the most part, in his own world. It's everything distant to what he should be, he's in Journey.

The simple truth is, you and the rest who replied are in denial.

Here's the problem. Every single singer Journey has had, and will have in the future will always be judged, being their shitty ability to command the crowed, broken English, who knows! but day in day, it's a proven fact - they should of never continued without Perry, plain and simple. That's the truth pal, you want it, you got it.

Wow! Who are you to make that judgment call?

I don't believe that it is necessary to judge someone else's opinion based on whether you agree with it or not.....neither is your approval sought or warranted. Of course, this coming from a PROUD buttlicking Perry sycophant, myself.

[slucero]

That method is rather pathetic, in my own humble opinion. Stifling all conversation about moderation eliminates any chance for explanation and lets moderator bias run rampant. In my experiences of course [and no, I wasn't the moderator to all of you naysayers!!! ]

Then you are wrong and entitled to your opinion...

and you can call it pathetic... BUT... it worked.... and guess what... because people KNEW they'd be banned for bashing the mods.. they,

1. Stayed on topic
2. Respected each other more..

The forum actually became less of a mud-slinging, personal attack, baiting place and more a place where people came and hung out.. and had great convo's. People essentially learned they had to communicate in the virtual world as they NORMALLY would in the real world...

There is no explanation needed when a post was removed or someone was banned a result of a Rule violation... it was always very clear. The "rules" (which all had to agree to when registering) were posted everywhere, but no one would read them and consider WHY what they'd posted would cause action by mods... yet the Rules were explicit, clear and final. Instead they'd claim "ignorance" and bash the mods instead. Occasionally, other posters would cut and paste the rules in a thread, usually for a poster who was complaining about his/her post getting deleted without the expected "explanation"... and after they'd re-read the rules the infraction was OBVIOUS to the complaining poster and their fellow forum members.... that was usually enough to shut the poster up. Complaints about mods to management were followed up on... yet I know of no mods having their work overturned... so "mod bias" as you call it was non-existent...

As a Mod I learned that most posters assume WAY too much in the form of what they think their "rights" are as posters...

We were forbidden by the board owners to communicate with posters... we just enforced the rules.. it worked very, very well.

[Deacon]

Then you are wrong and entitled to your opinion...

Wrong? No, I wasn't. It was a terrible idea at the forum that I used.

and you can call it pathetic... BUT... it worked.... and guess what... because people KNEW they'd be banned for bashing the mods.. they,

1. Stayed on topic
2. Respected each other more..

The forum actually became less of a mud-slinging, personal attack, baiting place and more a place where people came and hung out.. and had great convo's. People essentially learned they had to communicate in the virtual world as they NORMALLY would in the real world...

There is no explanation needed when a post was removed or someone was banned a result of a Rule violation... it was always very clear. The "rules" (which all had to agree to when registering) were posted everywhere, but no one would read them and consider WHY what they'd posted would cause action by mods... yet the Rules were explicit, clear and final. Instead they'd claim "ignorance" and bash the mods instead. Occasionally, other posters would cut and paste the rules in a thread, usually for a poster who was complaining about his/her post getting deleted without the expected "explanation"... and after they'd re-read the rules the infraction was OBVIOUS to the complaining poster and their fellow forum members.... that was usually enough to shut the poster up. Complaints about mods to management were followed up on... yet I know of no mods having their work overturned... so "mod bias" as you call it was non-existent...

As a Mod I learned that most posters assume WAY too much in the form of what they think their "rights" are as posters...

We were forbidden by the board owners to communicate with posters... we just enforced the rules.. it worked very, very well.

I'm glad that it did. For you, at least. I saw, within your explanation, the reason that it worked, that you didn't explain in your first statement.

we were forbidden... to communicate...

That's why. ^^^

[steveo777]

That's hilarious...measuring a singer's stage presence with the volume muted. This is Journey, not some group that needs a circus front man to get the crowd interested. First and foremost is vocal ability, and if the singer gets a bit into it during the performance, why not.

Very simple, the simple fact I actually laughed out loud when I saw the clip muted, that shouldn't happen. Arnel acts like a clown on stage, he looks absolutely and completely ridicules. Can't dance, can't work the crowed, and just looks self indulgent for the most part, in his own world. It's everything distant to what he should be, he's in Journey.

The simple truth is, you and the rest who replied are in denial.

Here's the problem. Every single singer Journey has had, and will have in the future will always be judged, being their shitty ability to command the crowed, broken English, who knows! but day in day, it's a proven fact - they should of never continued without Perry, plain and simple.

That's the truth pal, you want it, you got it

Vladan watch the UK download festival with 80K audience, then if you still believe Arnel could not work the crowd... you're in denial

Sorry, you are never going to successfully argue with a Perry loon. It's quite pointless. The reviews say different than Vlad's take on things. Thousands of people enjoying Journey? According to Vlad's point of view, this simply cannot be....yet it is. Every forum needs a buttlicking Perry sycophant or two.

That's hilarious...measuring a singer's stage presence with the volume muted. This is Journey, not some group that needs a circus front man to get the crowd interested. First and foremost is vocal ability, and if the singer gets a bit into it during the performance, why not.

Very simple, the simple fact I actually laughed out loud when I saw the clip muted, that shouldn't happen. Arnel acts like a clown on stage, he looks absolutely and completely ridicules. Can't dance, can't work the crowed, and just looks self indulgent for the most part, in his own world. It's everything distant to what he should be, he's in Journey.

The simple truth is, you and the rest who replied are in denial.

Here's the problem. Every single singer Journey has had, and will have in the future will always be judged, being their shitty ability to command the crowed, broken English, who knows! but day in day, it's a proven fact - they should of never continued without Perry, plain and simple. That's the truth pal, you want it, you got it.

Wow! Who are you to make that judgment call?

I don't believe that it is necessary to judge someone else's opinion based on whether you agree with it or not.....neither is your approval sought or warranted. Of course, this coming from a PROUD buttlicking Perry sycophant, myself.

David, what the fuck does quoting me have to do with this thread? Tell me bro, I really want to know. If you are going anywhere towards me with any of this bullshit, please remember that it should have been you that should have been banned at the outset of your very first trolling post. I've since forgiven you and realized that even you could become a valuable member of our community.

Now can we please get back to talking about and finding the late examples of this wonderful song. You fuckers derailed my thread and I resent that!

[Deacon]

Never. I shall never allow this thread to return!!1!11

[SherriBerry]

Evidently I have to start reading all of the threads - I almost missed this.

Andrew demonstrates an incredible amount of patience in dealing with the personalities in the Journey forum, though I have to say that calling him out on his own board is about as wise as telling Darth Vader what you think of his managing of the Death Star

Good luck in your PoliSci studies Gideon. If I could go back in time and change anything about my university days, I would get more involved - join clubs, go to games and enjoy being there, even in class at 8:30am. I focussed on the school aspect and spent a lot of time staring at a study carrel, but I have few fond memories of those days and I should have many! I can't do anything about that now, but I encourage you to get away from the computer and really enjoy what a great experience it should be. And if they have a debate team, join it!

And when Steve Perry releases a new solo CD, I expect you'll be back. It will be too much temptation, eh?