OT: McNair deal official

[The Sushi Hunter]

Well, after reading this, I don't really have any sympathy for the dude. Looks like he totally was using this woman, especially for his ride home when she was popped for DUI. As I've said before.....Hell has no fury like a woman scorned! Home skillet learned his final lesson the hard way.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 038D99.DTL

As you'll answer it, take heed
This Slave commit no Violence upon
Himself. I've been deceiv'd. The Publick Safety
Requires he should be more confin'd; and none,
No not the Princes self, permitted to
Confer with him. I'll quit you to the King.
Vile and ingrate! too late thou shalt repent
The base Injustice thou hast done my Love:
Yes, thou shalt know, spite of thy past Distress,
And all those Ills which thou so long hast mourn'd;
Heav'n has no Rage, like Love to Hatred turn'd,
Nor Hell a Fury, like a Woman scorn'd...........William Congreve, in The mourning bride, 1697

[madsplash]

Well, after reading this, I don't really have any sympathy for the dude. Looks like he totally was using this woman, especially for his ride home when she was popped for DUI. As I've said before.....Hell has no fury like a woman scorned! Home skillet learned his final lesson the hard way.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 038D99.DTL

As you'll answer it, take heed
This Slave commit no Violence upon
Himself. I've been deceiv'd. The Publick Safety
Requires he should be more confin'd; and none,
No not the Princes self, permitted to
Confer with him. I'll quit you to the King.
Vile and ingrate! too late thou shalt repent
The base Injustice thou hast done my Love:
Yes, thou shalt know, spite of thy past Distress,
And all those Ills which thou so long hast mourn'd;
Heav'n has no Rage, like Love to Hatred turn'd,
Nor Hell a Fury, like a Woman scorn'd...........William Congreve, in The mourning bride, 1697

Pure specualtion. How do we know exatlcy was going on between them? We don't.

[Saint John]

You think that makes the murder ok? Are you part of the fucking Manson family or something? Ever think that he tried to talk her into taking a cab and she insisted on driving? It's pure speculation on your part to come to the conclusion as to why he was unhappy. And it's still not a good enough excuse for murder and to leave his children fatherless.

[The Sushi Hunter]

You think that makes the murder ok? Are you part of the fucking Manson family or something? Ever think that he tried to talk her into taking a cab and she insisted on driving? It's pure speculation on your part to come to the conclusion as to why he was unhappy. And it's still not a good enough excuse for murder and to leave his children fatherless.

Never said it was ok or suppored it. But if you play with fire, your going to get burned, is what my parents always raised me to believe. Keep your nose clean and a lot of things won't happen to you like getting shot, having your cock chopped off in the still of the night, etc.

[Jana]

No excuse for murder, no. Sad way to lose your life. But this guy had a girlfriend behind his wife's back. He bought a car in both their names. She was in his apartment living. He made poor choices betraying his wife in the worst possible way. This was not a one-night stand. The person I really feel for is the wife who has to live not only with the horrible grief of his death but the hurt and anger at this deceit and betrayal by her husband, dealing with all of those emotions at the same time and the children having to know this about their father. Sad situation all around. It reminds me of Fatal Attraction, except that guy only did it for a weekend and had remorse and tried to end it. This guy led her on, and she was, obviously, an unstable person.

[The Sushi Hunter]

No excuse for murder, no. Sad way to lose your life. But this guy had a girlfriend behind his wife's back. He bought a car in both their names. She was in his apartment living. He made poor choices betraying his wife in the worst possible way. This was not a one-night stand. The person I really feel for is the wife who has to live not only with the horrible grief of his death but the hurt and anger at this deceit and betrayal by her husband, dealing with all of those emotions at the same time and the children having to know this about their father. Sad situation all around. It reminds me of Fatal Attraction, except that guy only did it for a weekend and had remorse and tried to end it. This guy led her on, and she was, obviously, an unstable person.

Yeah, if it wasn't the girlfriend, it might have been the wife who ended up jacking him up. She was young also, too young to be hanging with this guy. She gave her body to the dude and all he did in return was toss her ass out like a used paper cup. Mix that with her young age and you got a bad deal brewing.

As MJ once sung..."People always told me be careful of what you do
And don't go around breaking young girls hearts".

[Ehwmatt]

Oh please, I know of plenty of girls (and guys) that get "used," they don't pop 2 in the chest and 2 in the head of the dude/girl and then one in their own dome. This girl was just a fuckin nutjob. Some of these women and men get so crazy when the married person in the affair promises to leave wife/husband+family and doesn't. This girl just went nuts. There's no justifying it.

[Don]

I think he only cosigned for the Escalade, while she thought he would help with the payments. When that didn't happen, she knew he was bailing on her. Instead of throwing acid in his face like a traditional Persian would do to make him undesirable to other women, she went american gangsta on him.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I think he only cosigned for the Escalade, while she thought he would help with the payments. When that didn't happen, she knew he was bailing on her. Instead of throwing acid in his face like a traditional Persian would do to make him undesirable to other women, she went american gangsta on him.

Was she Persian? She did look a little middle eastern/south east asian, but I figured she was maybe Nepalese.

[madsplash]

Oh please, I know of plenty of girls (and guys) that get "used," they don't pop 2 in the chest and 2 in the head of the dude/girl and then one in their own dome. This girl was just a fuckin nutjob. Some of these women and men get so crazy when the married person in the affair promises to leave wife/husband+family and doesn't. This girl just went nuts. There's no justifying it.

Well said. I'm not gonna judge anyone, because I don't want to be judged.

[Don]

I think he only cosigned for the Escalade, while she thought he would help with the payments. When that didn't happen, she knew he was bailing on her. Instead of throwing acid in his face like a traditional Persian would do to make him undesirable to other women, she went american gangsta on him.

Was she Persian? She did look a little middle eastern/south east asian, but I figured she was maybe Nepalese.

Exiles from Iran.

[JasonD]

You think that makes the murder ok? Are you part of the fucking Manson family or something? Ever think that he tried to talk her into taking a cab and she insisted on driving? It's pure speculation on your part to come to the conclusion as to why he was unhappy. And it's still not a good enough excuse for murder and to leave his children fatherless.

Never said it was ok or suppored it. But if you play with fire, your going to get burned, is what my parents always raised me to believe. Keep your nose clean and a lot of things won't happen to you like getting shot, having your cock chopped off in the still of the night, etc.

I ain't defending the guy for having an affair, but the girlfriend knew he was married when she met him so it's not like he lied & said he was available. Besides, nothing the man did is going to justify putting a bullet in his head.

I do have to disagree with the comment about keeping your nose clean and those kind of things won't happen to you. You don't know that for sure. Sometimes when a relationship ends the person who doesn't want it to end can get pretty vindictive. And women ---- OMG ------ they sure can come up with some cruel & unusual forms of punishment!!!! You think you know someone then the next thing ya know they want to chop your penis off. Speaking from personal experience, I never cheated so the "keep your nose clean" theory doesn't always hold true.

[steveo777]

There is no piece of tail worth a man's life. 20 is not the most stable age emotionally either. Anyway, as it turns out, he was no model citizen in the end. How terrible for his wife and kids to have to learn that he was having an affair thru his death.

[Don]

Women.

[Enigma869]

Well, after reading this, I don't really have any sympathy for the dude. Looks like he totally was using this woman, especially for his ride home when she was popped for DUI. As I've said before.....Hell has no fury like a woman scorned! Home skillet learned his final lesson the hard way.

Dude...you seriously need your head examined to even saying you have no sympathy for a man who was murdered. Whether he was "using" her or not isn't really the issue. Considering that she was all of 20 years old, I'm quite sure that the whole "using" thing went both ways. Hell, McNair bought this chick an Escalade and I'm sure spent a whole lot of money on her. The murder/suicide conclusion really isn't news to anyone with two brain cells connected. Given the fact that McNair had four gunshots...she had one...the gun was found under her body...and the condo was completely locked up with zero signs of forced entry, there really wasn't any other conclusion to reach. The bottom line is that whether or not Steve McNair was flawed as a human being doesn't make his murder any less tragic.

[The Sushi Hunter]

There is no piece of tail worth a man's life. 20 is not the most stable age emotionally either. Anyway, as it turns out, he was no model citizen in the end. How terrible for his wife and kids to have to learn that he was having an affair thru his death.

In which case I would consider this to be understandable if the wife hooks up with another guy within 4 days. Total slime bag to be cheating on his wife and children. Yes, I consider him cheating on his children also when he cheats on his wife. Hopefully she will have all his shit out on the curb by sundown today, if not already.

[madsplash]

There is no piece of tail worth a man's life. 20 is not the most stable age emotionally either. Anyway, as it turns out, he was no model citizen in the end. How terrible for his wife and kids to have to learn that he was having an affair thru his death.

In which case I would consider this to be understandable if the wife hooks up with another guy within 4 days. Total slime bag to be cheating on his wife and children. Yes, I consider him cheating on his children also when he cheats on his wife. Hopefully she will have all his shit out on the curb by sundown today, if not already.

You have issues.

[JasonD]

There is no piece of tail worth a man's life. 20 is not the most stable age emotionally either. Anyway, as it turns out, he was no model citizen in the end. How terrible for his wife and kids to have to learn that he was having an affair thru his death.

In which case I would consider this to be understandable if the wife hooks up with another guy within 4 days. Total slime bag to be cheating on his wife and children. Yes, I consider him cheating on his children also when he cheats on his wife. Hopefully she will have all his shit out on the curb by sundown today, if not already.

Sushi, are you female?

[The Sushi Hunter]

Well, after reading this, I don't really have any sympathy for the dude. Looks like he totally was using this woman, especially for his ride home when she was popped for DUI. As I've said before.....Hell has no fury like a woman scorned! Home skillet learned his final lesson the hard way.

Dude...you seriously need your head examined to even saying you have no sympathy for a man who was murdered. Whether he was "using" her or not isn't really the issue. Considering that she was all of 20 years old, I'm quite sure that the whole "using" thing went both ways. Hell, McNair bought this chick an Escalade and I'm sure spent a whole lot of money on her. The murder/suicide conclusion really isn't news to anyone with two brain cells connected. Given the fact that McNair had four gunshots...she had one...the gun was found under her body...and the condo was completely locked up with zero signs of forced entry, there really wasn't any other conclusion to reach. The bottom line is that whether or not Steve McNair was flawed as a human being doesn't make his murder any less tragic.

I feel your concern here. But I got to tell you, I don't have any sympathy for people who do what this gent was doing. He was playing with peoples feelings, lives, future, etc. I don't have sympathy for people who get hurt or killed while engauged in criminal activity either. And the last time I checked, cheating on your spouse is considered breaking the law. Isn't that called Adultery.

[Ehwmatt]

There is no piece of tail worth a man's life. 20 is not the most stable age emotionally either. Anyway, as it turns out, he was no model citizen in the end. How terrible for his wife and kids to have to learn that he was having an affair thru his death.

In which case I would consider this to be understandable if the wife hooks up with another guy within 4 days. Total slime bag to be cheating on his wife and children. Yes, I consider him cheating on his children also when he cheats on his wife. Hopefully she will have all his shit out on the curb by sundown today, if not already.

Infidelity is a shitty thing, especially with children in the picture. But come on man, you have no way of knowing everything involved in the situation. How do you know she didn't have something on the side? I haven't been following the story too closely, but what facts have come to light? Were they separated? Supposedly happily married with the wife none the wiser? What was the deal... At any rate, there will always be things you don't know unless you get it straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak

[Ehwmatt]

Well, after reading this, I don't really have any sympathy for the dude. Looks like he totally was using this woman, especially for his ride home when she was popped for DUI. As I've said before.....Hell has no fury like a woman scorned! Home skillet learned his final lesson the hard way.

Dude...you seriously need your head examined to even saying you have no sympathy for a man who was murdered. Whether he was "using" her or not isn't really the issue. Considering that she was all of 20 years old, I'm quite sure that the whole "using" thing went both ways. Hell, McNair bought this chick an Escalade and I'm sure spent a whole lot of money on her. The murder/suicide conclusion really isn't news to anyone with two brain cells connected. Given the fact that McNair had four gunshots...she had one...the gun was found under her body...and the condo was completely locked up with zero signs of forced entry, there really wasn't any other conclusion to reach. The bottom line is that whether or not Steve McNair was flawed as a human being doesn't make his murder any less tragic.

I feel your concern here. But I got to tell you, I don't have any sympathy for people who do what this gent was doing. He was playing with peoples feelings, lives, future, etc. I don't have sympathy for people who get hurt or killed while engauged in criminal activity either. And the last time I checked, cheating on your spouse is considered breaking the law. Isn't that called Adultery.

LOL. Breaking the law? What do you think the likes of Slick Willy, John Edwards, Newt Gingrich, Mark Sanford, and every Hollywood star and starlet are doing roaming the streets and making millions?

[The Sushi Hunter]

I did a little research and found:

Middle East
Adultery had at one time attracted severe sanctions, including the death penalty. In some places, such as Iran, the method of punishment for adultery is stoning to death.[32] It has been suggested that Iranian officials are avoiding imposing the penalty because of social objections. Proving adultery under Muslim law can be a very difficult task as it requires the accuser to produce four eye witnesses to the act of sexual intercourse, each of whom should have a good reputation for truthfulness and honesty. The criminal standards do not apply in the application of social and family consequences of adultery, where the standards of proof are not as exacting.

So I guess she just stoned him to death with bullets fired from a handgun.

[JasonD]

Well, after reading this, I don't really have any sympathy for the dude. Looks like he totally was using this woman, especially for his ride home when she was popped for DUI. As I've said before.....Hell has no fury like a woman scorned! Home skillet learned his final lesson the hard way.

Dude...you seriously need your head examined to even saying you have no sympathy for a man who was murdered. Whether he was "using" her or not isn't really the issue. Considering that she was all of 20 years old, I'm quite sure that the whole "using" thing went both ways. Hell, McNair bought this chick an Escalade and I'm sure spent a whole lot of money on her. The murder/suicide conclusion really isn't news to anyone with two brain cells connected. Given the fact that McNair had four gunshots...she had one...the gun was found under her body...and the condo was completely locked up with zero signs of forced entry, there really wasn't any other conclusion to reach. The bottom line is that whether or not Steve McNair was flawed as a human being doesn't make his murder any less tragic.

I feel your concern here. But I got to tell you, I don't have any sympathy for people who do what this gent was doing. He was playing with peoples feelings, lives, future, etc. I don't have sympathy for people who get hurt or killed while engauged in criminal activity either. And the last time I checked, cheating on your spouse is considered breaking the law. Isn't that called Adultery.

I don’t think anyone is trying to make light of adultery, but let the punishment fit the crime. Is adultery really worth a person’s life to you? I’ve been cheated on & yes it’s a kick in the gut. Nothing compares to the feeling you get in the moment of clarity when you realize you’ve been cheated on. Sure, I had vengeful thoughts go through my head, but there’s a difference between thoughts & actions. She should have found a better outlet if not for his wife & kids then for herself. She’s dead. Was he really worth killing herself over? Sure, he may have been a terrific athlete, but if she had just taken a few steps back to stop & think she may have realized he wasn’t worth dying over. If he’d cheat on his wife to be with her, he would have cheated on her to be with someone else. Again, I’m not trying to make light of the man’s murder b/c he didn’t deserve what he got. Still the girlfriend should have thought more of herself & wanted better things in life. No one’s worth killing yourself over.

[StevePerryHair]

I did a little research and found:

Middle East
Adultery had at one time attracted severe sanctions, including the death penalty. In some places, such as Iran, the method of punishment for adultery is stoning to death.[32] It has been suggested that Iranian officials are avoiding imposing the penalty because of social objections. Proving adultery under Muslim law can be a very difficult task as it requires the accuser to produce four eye witnesses to the act of sexual intercourse, each of whom should have a good reputation for truthfulness and honesty. The criminal standards do not apply in the application of social and family consequences of adultery, where the standards of proof are not as exacting.

So I guess she just stoned him to death with bullets fired from a handg
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so you know for a fact she was a religious Iranian? She did it for her faith? That means nothing. Women in th U.S. do this to so what is their reason? Besides the fact she would not kill HERSELF if that was her reasoning. I hope you were kidding.

[Enigma869]

I did a little research and found:

Middle East
Adultery had at one time attracted severe sanctions, including the death penalty. In some places, such as Iran, the method of punishment for adultery is stoning to death.[32] It has been suggested that Iranian officials are avoiding imposing the penalty because of social objections. Proving adultery under Muslim law can be a very difficult task as it requires the accuser to produce four eye witnesses to the act of sexual intercourse, each of whom should have a good reputation for truthfulness and honesty. The criminal standards do not apply in the application of social and family consequences of adultery, where the standards of proof are not as exacting.

So I guess she just stoned him to death with bullets fired from a handgun.

Okay, it's official...You're a fucking nutbag! Last I checked, Nashville isn't the Middle East! If you have an issue with adultery, that's fine. Obviously not everyone has the same moral compass. That said, if you truly believe that adultery is grounds for murder, I think you're a couple of sandwiches short of a fucking picnic!

[NealIsGod]

From profootballtalk.com:

Here's yet another interesting detail regarding the events that unfolded in the day or two before former Titans and Ravens quarterback Steve McNair and his girlfriend, 20-year-old Sahel "Jenny" Kazemi were found dead.

Roughly four hours after Kazemi was arrested for DUI in the early morning hours of Thursday, July 2, her on-again, off-again boyfriend Keith Norfleet sent an e-mail to the Tennessean, apparently aimed at publicly exposing McNair's affair with Kazemi.

We've gleaned most of the text of the e-mail from the image of it contained in WSMV.com's video report. (Based on the still image, Chris Echegaray of the Tennessean apparently forwarded the e-mail to WSMV; curiously, the Tennessean had not previously mentioned the e-mail from Norfleet.) Here's what it says:

"Steve McNair was involved in another dui case tonight in downtown Nashville. He was riding with someone I know that actually got the dui and he hopped out of the car real quick and got a cab home because I guess he was too drunk to drive himself and yea you would be pretty amazed at the fact of who he was actually with which I really don't think his wife would like it too much either being the fact she was a 20 year old young girl claiming to be his girlfriend. I thought he was married? Hmmm . . . This is completely legit too. I know because I'm the person that come to pick he car up for the person that got the dui and the cop told me the whole story so I don't know if this is interesting news or not to you guys but I thought you might like to know."

Wow.

Keep in mind that this e-mail was sent within "hours" after the arrest, and that Kazemi supposedly purchased the gun that was found at the scene within "hours" after the arrest.

Speaking of the gun, when will the police disclose how she got it?. They have been cryptic at best on this point. But they surely know how and where (and from whom) she obtained the weapon.

Norfleet likely knows as well, especially since he was doing his best to drive a wedge between McNair and Kazemi by publicizing their relationship at about the same time the gun was being bought.

And let's not forget the arresting officer. You know, the same guy who arrested McNair for DUI in 2003, and who later was disciplined for repeatedly asking McNair to submit to breath testing after he had refused? Norfleet indicates in his e-mail that the officer "told me the whole story."

We'd still love to know exactly what he said, both to Norfleet and to Kazemi.

[Ehwmatt]

The sigh of relief that ex-boyfriend musta breathed upon hearing this story probably knocked over a few trees in his fuckin front yard! Can you imagine dozing off on the couch in front of SportsCenter only to wake up staring down the barrel of a gun, with your psychotic pissed off girlfriend at the end of it? What a fuckin clusterfuck

[The Sushi Hunter]

There is no piece of tail worth a man's life. 20 is not the most stable age emotionally either. Anyway, as it turns out, he was no model citizen in the end. How terrible for his wife and kids to have to learn that he was having an affair thru his death.

In which case I would consider this to be understandable if the wife hooks up with another guy within 4 days. Total slime bag to be cheating on his wife and children. Yes, I consider him cheating on his children also when he cheats on his wife. Hopefully she will have all his shit out on the curb by sundown today, if not already.

Sushi, are you female?

I'm a guy, but I am strongly against cheating in a relationship, marrage, etc.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I did a little research and found:

Middle East
Adultery had at one time attracted severe sanctions, including the death penalty. In some places, such as Iran, the method of punishment for adultery is stoning to death.[32] It has been suggested that Iranian officials are avoiding imposing the penalty because of social objections. Proving adultery under Muslim law can be a very difficult task as it requires the accuser to produce four eye witnesses to the act of sexual intercourse, each of whom should have a good reputation for truthfulness and honesty. The criminal standards do not apply in the application of social and family consequences of adultery, where the standards of proof are not as exacting.

So I guess she just stoned him to death with bullets fired from a handgun.

Okay, it's official...You're a fucking nutbag! Last I checked, Nashville isn't the Middle East! If you have an issue with adultery, that's fine. Obviously not everyone has the same moral compass. That said, if you truly believe that adultery is grounds for murder, I think you're a couple of sandwiches short of a fucking picnic!

I was under the assumption she's from that geographical local.

[Jana]

There should really be a poll here on how many men on this forum have cheated. I wonder if there will be honesty. Totally anonymous, of course.