The official 'Countdown to "We'll See"' thread....

[Don]

Some like real sugar while others dig sugar substitutes. It's all good.

Well I am allergic to Splenda.......

Well, as soon as some "real sugar" is available....let me know. 11 year old performances and videos of "sugar" are getting old quick!

On a serious note, when I saw them last year, AP was tired but still sounded great. This year though, even though I'm not a musician I can tell some of the songs are off because of the down tuning. I can handle that with Perry, Gramm, George Michaels, etc because they have given us years of the original performance done properly. But when you get a new car, you don't expect to be told that it can't go over 55 MPH after the first 100k miles. I just don't care for that. It's like a defective product right out of the factory.

I'm sure people are fine with all this but don't tell me this is the beginning of a new legacy when the singer can't even sing songs written only two years ago in the regular key. You might as well record them a step down to begin with if you're going to go that route one year later.

I know what you're saying and I agree with the tuning down. Unfortunately, I didn't get to see them last year, so I would like to this year if only for the new arrangements, which I think are great. However, I don't think its Arnel that wants it tuned down, but Jon and Neal protecting their investment. As far as I'm concerned they should at least do the new music in the proper key, its not like they were in that Perry range in the first place.

You are right about Arnel. From what I have heard, he sings in normal key when he is home and away from the band, whether at hard Rock or wherever, so he's defeating the purpose of the band anyway.
My big thing is the family issue, If they're with him on this tour, how does he save his voice, he can't ignore them. And if one of them gets sick, they'll all probably be sick. Less sleep also. And how do you collaborate on new songs when you're in another bus separate from the guys? These question and more are going to make for interesting analysis (by me anyway ).

[bluejeangirl76]

And how do you collaborate on new songs when you're in another bus separate from the guys?

They're letting another singer get away with that?

Maybe they've tagged Arnel. Someone inspect for funny-looking earrings.

[Since 78]

Some like real sugar while others dig sugar substitutes. It's all good.

Well I am allergic to Splenda.......

Well, as soon as some "real sugar" is available....let me know. 11 year old performances and videos of "sugar" are getting old quick!

On a serious note, when I saw them last year, AP was tired but still sounded great. This year though, even though I'm not a musician I can tell some of the songs are off because of the down tuning. I can handle that with Perry, Gramm, George Michaels, etc because they have given us years of the original performance done properly. But when you get a new car, you don't expect to be told that it can't go over 55 MPH after the first 100k miles. I just don't care for that. It's like a defective product right out of the factory.

I'm sure people are fine with all this but don't tell me this is the beginning of a new legacy when the singer can't even sing songs written only two years ago in the regular key. You might as well record them a step down to begin with if you're going to go that route one year later.

I know what you're saying and I agree with the tuning down. Unfortunately, I didn't get to see them last year, so I would like to this year if only for the new arrangements, which I think are great. However, I don't think its Arnel that wants it tuned down, but Jon and Neal protecting their investment. As far as I'm concerned they should at least do the new music in the proper key, its not like they were in that Perry range in the first place.

You are right about Arnel. From what I have heard, he sings in normal key when he is home and away from the band, whether at hard Rock or wherever, so he's defeating the purpose of the band anyway.
My big thing is the family issue, If they're with him on this tour, how does he save his voice, he can't ignore them. And if one of them gets sick, they'll all probably be sick. Less sleep also. And how do you collaborate on new songs when you're in another bus separate from the guys? These question and more are going to make for interesting analysis (by me anyway ).

Some very good questions my Friend, I guess "We'll See".

Now back to business, who needs SP!

[Don]

Some like real sugar while others dig sugar substitutes. It's all good.

Well I am allergic to Splenda.......

Well, as soon as some "real sugar" is available....let me know. 11 year old performances and videos of "sugar" are getting old quick!

On a serious note, when I saw them last year, AP was tired but still sounded great. This year though, even though I'm not a musician I can tell some of the songs are off because of the down tuning. I can handle that with Perry, Gramm, George Michaels, etc because they have given us years of the original performance done properly. But when you get a new car, you don't expect to be told that it can't go over 55 MPH after the first 100k miles. I just don't care for that. It's like a defective product right out of the factory.

I'm sure people are fine with all this but don't tell me this is the beginning of a new legacy when the singer can't even sing songs written only two years ago in the regular key. You might as well record them a step down to begin with if you're going to go that route one year later.

I know what you're saying and I agree with the tuning down. Unfortunately, I didn't get to see them last year, so I would like to this year if only for the new arrangements, which I think are great. However, I don't think its Arnel that wants it tuned down, but Jon and Neal protecting their investment. As far as I'm concerned they should at least do the new music in the proper key, its not like they were in that Perry range in the first place.

You are right about Arnel. From what I have heard, he sings in normal key when he is home and away from the band, whether at hard Rock or wherever, so he's defeating the purpose of the band anyway.
My big thing is the family issue, If they're with him on this tour, how does he save his voice, he can't ignore them. And if one of them gets sick, they'll all probably be sick. Less sleep also. And how do you collaborate on new songs when you're in another bus separate from the guys? These question and more are going to make for interesting analysis (by me anyway ).

Some very good questions my Friend, I guess "We'll See".

Now back to business, who needs SP!

John Farnham, the international "VOICE" has just come out of retirement so I'm good for the moment.

[Jana]

Some like real sugar while others dig sugar substitutes. It's all good.

Well I am allergic to Splenda.......

Well, as soon as some "real sugar" is available....let me know. 11 year old performances and videos of "sugar" are getting old quick!

On a serious note, when I saw them last year, AP was tired but still sounded great. This year though, even though I'm not a musician I can tell some of the songs are off because of the down tuning. I can handle that with Perry, Gramm, George Michaels, etc because they have given us years of the original performance done properly. But when you get a new car, you don't expect to be told that it can't go over 55 MPH after the first 100k miles. I just don't care for that. It's like a defective product right out of the factory.

I'm sure people are fine with all this but don't tell me this is the beginning of a new legacy when the singer can't even sing songs written only two years ago in the regular key. You might as well record them a step down to begin with if you're going to go that route one year later.

I know what you're saying and I agree with the tuning down. Unfortunately, I didn't get to see them last year, so I would like to this year if only for the new arrangements, which I think are great. However, I don't think its Arnel that wants it tuned down, but Jon and Neal protecting their investment. As far as I'm concerned they should at least do the new music in the proper key, its not like they were in that Perry range in the first place.

You are right about Arnel. From what I have heard, he sings in normal key when he is home and away from the band, whether at hard Rock or wherever, so he's defeating the purpose of the band anyway.
My big thing is the family issue, If they're with him on this tour, how does he save his voice, he can't ignore them. And if one of them gets sick, they'll all probably be sick. Less sleep also. And how do you collaborate on new songs when you're in another bus separate from the guys? These question and more are going to make for interesting analysis (by me anyway ).

Uh, let me look at this positively. From all reports the concert sounds great tune-downed or not. He sounded great on that Belgium live feed, in, fact, fantastic. And we've had posts from Europe of longtime fans who said Arnel was fantastic. No one mentioning the tune-downs. So I'm fine with it. Would prefer not, but I believe Arnel was probably straining by the end of the tour last year, so best solution for the band.

Re his taking his family. Who knows, it may not be the whole three months here. Neal used to take his family at times and the rest would be on the other bus. Deen mentioned that one time. This is best for Arnel. He was terribly homesick last year. He is a professional and will not talk much I'm sure, just like he did at home when he played at Hard Rock everynight on Honk Kong. And come on, Arnel can still be collaborating with them writing. It was Neal and Arnel in one bus last year and Jon and Ross and Deen in the other. So they were separated for writing in that case too. They will all get together and do it. They are big boys. They will figure it out.

[Don]

Little Miss Sunshine.

Just out of curiosity but will that kid have anyone to play with or is he solo? How many children does AP have to begin with? Does Neal or Jon have some young ones he can chill out with.

[Jana]

Little Miss Sunshine.

Just out of curiosity but will that kid have anyone to play with or is he solo? How many children does AP have to begin with?

That's me. They're bringing Cherry's daughter. Arnel has two other sons, one in college and one about 14 or 15.

And ,you know, last year Neal was being railed on about not downtuning and insisting on the original key and ruining the singers' voices by so many on here, and to my way of thinking, I believe he read it here and took heed and is protecting Arnel's voice b/c of the stress of singing in that key the whole tour. Maybe you didn't, but there were some on here that did.

[Don]

Little Miss Sunshine.

Just out of curiosity but will that kid have anyone to play with or is he solo? How many children does AP have to begin with?

That's me. They're bringing Cherry's daughter. Arnel has two other sons, one in college and one about 14 or 15.

And ,you know, last year Neal was being railed on about not downtuning and insisting on the original key and ruining the singers' voices by so many on here, and to my way of thinking, I believe he read it here and took heed and is protecting Arnel's voice b/c of the stress of singing in that key the whole tour. Maybe you didn't, but there were some on here that did.

That's a cache 22 . Brand new songs end up getting detuned also cause you can't just change things on the fly. And will TDTWT ever make an appearance again? Lot's of stuff to check out this summer.

[madsplash]

Some like real sugar while others dig sugar substitutes. It's all good.

Well I am allergic to Splenda.......

Well, as soon as some "real sugar" is available....let me know. 11 year old performances and videos of "sugar" are getting old quick!

On a serious note, when I saw them last year, AP was tired but still sounded great. This year though, even though I'm not a musician I can tell some of the songs are off because of the down tuning. I can handle that with Perry, Gramm, George Michaels, etc because they have given us years of the original performance done properly. But when you get a new car, you don't expect to be told that it can't go over 55 MPH after the first 100k miles. I just don't care for that. It's like a defective product right out of the factory.

I'm sure people are fine with all this but don't tell me this is the beginning of a new legacy when the singer can't even sing songs written only two years ago in the regular key. You might as well record them a step down to begin with if you're going to go that route one year later.

I know what you're saying and I agree with the tuning down. Unfortunately, I didn't get to see them last year, so I would like to this year if only for the new arrangements, which I think are great. However, I don't think its Arnel that wants it tuned down, but Jon and Neal protecting their investment. As far as I'm concerned they should at least do the new music in the proper key, its not like they were in that Perry range in the first place.

You are right about Arnel. From what I have heard, he sings in normal key when he is home and away from the band, whether at hard Rock or wherever, so he's defeating the purpose of the band anyway.
My big thing is the family issue, If they're with him on this tour, how does he save his voice, he can't ignore them. And if one of them gets sick, they'll all probably be sick. Less sleep also. And how do you collaborate on new songs when you're in another bus separate from the guys? These question and more are going to make for interesting analysis (by me anyway ).

Some very good questions my Friend, I guess "We'll See".

Now back to business, who needs SP!

John Farnham, the international "VOICE" has just come out of retirement so I'm good for the moment.

I really like Farnham, but he ain't "The Voice". And he ain't Perry. Prime versus prime, Perry wins. Right NOW? Well, I guess sadly, Farnham wins by forfeit.

Before any panties get in a bunch, we know that this only my OPINION.

[Don]

Some like real sugar while others dig sugar substitutes. It's all good.

Well I am allergic to Splenda.......

Well, as soon as some "real sugar" is available....let me know. 11 year old performances and videos of "sugar" are getting old quick!

On a serious note, when I saw them last year, AP was tired but still sounded great. This year though, even though I'm not a musician I can tell some of the songs are off because of the down tuning. I can handle that with Perry, Gramm, George Michaels, etc because they have given us years of the original performance done properly. But when you get a new car, you don't expect to be told that it can't go over 55 MPH after the first 100k miles. I just don't care for that. It's like a defective product right out of the factory.

I'm sure people are fine with all this but don't tell me this is the beginning of a new legacy when the singer can't even sing songs written only two years ago in the regular key. You might as well record them a step down to begin with if you're going to go that route one year later.

I know what you're saying and I agree with the tuning down. Unfortunately, I didn't get to see them last year, so I would like to this year if only for the new arrangements, which I think are great. However, I don't think its Arnel that wants it tuned down, but Jon and Neal protecting their investment. As far as I'm concerned they should at least do the new music in the proper key, its not like they were in that Perry range in the first place.

You are right about Arnel. From what I have heard, he sings in normal key when he is home and away from the band, whether at hard Rock or wherever, so he's defeating the purpose of the band anyway.
My big thing is the family issue, If they're with him on this tour, how does he save his voice, he can't ignore them. And if one of them gets sick, they'll all probably be sick. Less sleep also. And how do you collaborate on new songs when you're in another bus separate from the guys? These question and more are going to make for interesting analysis (by me anyway ).

Some very good questions my Friend, I guess "We'll See".

Now back to business, who needs SP!

John Farnham, the international "VOICE" has just come out of retirement so I'm good for the moment.

I really like Farnham, but he ain't "The Voice". And he ain't Perry. Prime versus prime, Perry wins. Right NOW? Well, I guess sadly, Farnham wins by forfeit.

Before any panties get in a bunch, we know that this only my OPINION.

To Australia and a bunch of places outside the US, they know Farnham as the voice, he is actually addressed by that moniker. Those people would be the ones saying "Steve who, Journey what?"

[madsplash]

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John Farnham, the international "VOICE" has just come out of retirement so I'm good for the moment. [/quote]


I really like Farnham, but he ain't "The Voice". And he ain't Perry. Prime versus prime, Perry wins. Right NOW? Well, I guess sadly, Farnham wins by forfeit.

Before any panties get in a bunch, we know that this only my OPINION.[/quote]

To Australia and a bunch of places outside the US, they know Farnham as the voice, he is actually addressed by that moniker. Those people would be the ones saying "Steve who, Journey what?"[/quote]


Well, if you took a poll and left off Australia and the U.S., I'd bet you anything that Perry is more known and more popular. If only for Japan, where SP is a God.

Perry was the first to be called "The Voice".


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[S2M]

I like LRB, and all...but I don't think his voice is anything special....I'm no expert on LRB, mind you....just enjoy the songs....

I know there are 2 camps: Farnham v. Bartles and James....or some such thing like that. Honestly, I wouldn't know the difference. I AM curious on which songs each incarnation sings the studio tracks though....

[Rick]

I like LRB, and all...but I don't think his voice is anything special....I'm no expert on LRB, mind you....just enjoy the songs....

I know there are 2 camps: Farnham v. Bartles and James....or some such thing like that. Honestly, I wouldn't know the difference. I AM curious on which songs each incarnation sings the studio tracks though....

I've posted this before, but Farnham is great here.

Reminiscing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NspIOkh9EVc

[Don]

When you're a harmony group like LRB, keeping Farnham reined in had to be a chore. Dude just beats his own drum when he's out there on the stage.

[Since 78]

I like LRB, and all...but I don't think his voice is anything special....I'm no expert on LRB, mind you....just enjoy the songs....

I know there are 2 camps: Farnham v. Bartles and James....or some such thing like that. Honestly, I wouldn't know the difference. I AM curious on which songs each incarnation sings the studio tracks though....

I've posted this before, but Farnham is great here.

Reminiscing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NspIOkh9EVc

Wow! That guy is good! Never saw that one, Gracias Rick!

[S2M]

Would someone be so Kind as to let me know who the lead singer is on their songs?

Cool change is Shorrock, I guess....and Reminiscing is John....

How about the rest of their Dirty Dozen?

[Don]

Would someone be so Kind as to let me know who the lead singer is on their songs?

Cool change is Shorrock, I guess....and Reminiscing is John....

How about the rest of their Dirty Dozen?

Hit wise, Shorrock is lead on cool change, reminiscing, man on your mine, lonesome loser, happy anniversary, lady, really about 80% of their stuff. Wayne Nelson sang lead on Night Owls, Farnham sang The other guy, Down on the border, We two and a few others. He replaced Shorrock but didn't stick around for long as he isn't into the whole BAND thing.

[S2M]

Would someone be so Kind as to let me know who the lead singer is on their songs?

Cool change is Shorrock, I guess....and Reminiscing is John....

How about the rest of their Dirty Dozen?

Hit wise, Shorrock is lead on cool change, reminiscing, man on your mine, lonesome loser, happy anniversary, lady, really about 80% of their stuff. Wayne Nelson sang lead on Night Owls, Farnham sang The other guy, Down on the border, We two and a few others. He replaced Shorrock but didn't stick around for long as he isn't into the whole BAND thing.

Thanks Gunny, good to know!

[Vladan]

I really like Farnham, but he ain't "The Voice". And he ain't Perry. Prime versus prime, Perry wins. Right NOW? Well, I guess sadly, Farnham wins by forfeit.

Before any panties get in a bunch, we know that this only my OPINION

To Australia and a bunch of places outside the US, they know Farnham as the voice, he is actually addressed by that moniker. Those people would be the ones saying "Steve who, Journey what?"


Well, if you took a poll and left off Australia and the U.S., I'd bet you anything that Perry is more known and more popular. If only for Japan, where SP is a God.

Perry was the first to be called "The Voice".

I seriously would doubt anyone knows who Perry is outside US these days, because it's all Arnel Pineda now. And Perry was only known in Australia because of "Oh Sherry" was like number 5 here in the charts. Farnham is still dubbed the voice among his peers, Richard Marxs, even Arnel Pineda was inspired by John. The music heavy weights in the industry recognize John Farnham as the international voice still.

Actually Farnham has been singing way before Perry joined Journey, and he actually still sings. In their prime, I would give it to John as well, due to his bigger catalog, more hits, and as a solo artists, absolutely blows Steve Perry's two albums out of the water. Steve Perry could of been greater, if he actually kept recording like his Peers, but he didn't... he stopped.

John Farham actually still sings with the same power and range, hasn't lost it at all (simply took care of his voice better). You can't say that about many these days.

[mdaemon]

You are right about Arnel. From what I have heard, he sings in normal key when he is home and away from the band, whether at hard Rock or wherever, so he's defeating the purpose of the band anyway.

The down tuning happened after Arnel has completed his commitments in the Philippines. Also, singing a couple of songs in one day in its original key wouldn't hurt his voice; doing that for at least 10 songs a night would. I don't see how you can compare his performances at home with his Journey gigs. If I want to stir the pot, then I would say that maybe the reason for singing in original key back home is because the audience there are much more critical (i.e they would notice if you down tune) than the typical Journey audience; but I'm not gonna say that.

My big thing is the family issue, If they're with him on this tour, how does he save his voice, he can't ignore them. And if one of them gets sick, they'll all probably be sick. Less sleep also. And how do you collaborate on new songs when you're in another bus separate from the guys? These question and more are going to make for interesting analysis (by me anyway ).

The same way Perry did when Sherrie was on the bus with him?

Seriously Gunbot, Journey are now making concessions for their singer. They have been heavily criticised before for touring their singers to death and now that they are correcting that mistake they still hear people whining?

You really should stop going at Arnel's site as you are turning in to a woman i.e. you can't seem to make up your mind on what you really want

[portland]

You are right about Arnel. From what I have heard, he sings in normal key when he is home and away from the band, whether at hard Rock or wherever, so he's defeating the purpose of the band anyway.

The down tuning happened after Arnel has completed his commitments in the Philippines. Also, singing a couple of songs in one day in its original key wouldn't hurt his voice; doing that for at least 10 songs a night would. I don't see how you can compare his performances at home with his Journey gigs. If I want to stir the pot, then I would say that maybe the reason for singing in original key back home is because the audience there are much more critical (i.e they would notice if you down tune) than the typical Journey audience; but I'm not gonna say that.

My big thing is the family issue, If they're with him on this tour, how does he save his voice, he can't ignore them. And if one of them gets sick, they'll all probably be sick. Less sleep also. And how do you collaborate on new songs when you're in another bus separate from the guys? These question and more are going to make for interesting analysis (by me anyway ).

The same way Perry did when Sherrie was on the bus with him?

Seriously Gunbot, Journey are now making concessions for their singer. They have been heavily criticised before for touring their singers to death and now that they are correcting that mistake they still hear people whining?

You really should stop going at Arnel's site as you are turning in to a woman i.e. you can't seem to make up your mind on what you really want

Well I seem to remember the comments from his bandmates that were made about Perry when he was on another bus with Sherrie.....and according to them it was not the best situation for collaboration for writing new music. So if history repeats itself then.....what is next?

Perry was dogged for not talking before and after shows in order to save his voice...or at least what was left of it after the insane schedule that they had.

I don't know maybe they have learned....but to me it seems they are trying to hold on to the last shot they have....because after this they will be done.....they cannot have another singer after this one.....and they know it.

[Don]

You are right about Arnel. From what I have heard, he sings in normal key when he is home and away from the band, whether at hard Rock or wherever, so he's defeating the purpose of the band anyway.

The down tuning happened after Arnel has completed his commitments in the Philippines. Also, singing a couple of songs in one day in its original key wouldn't hurt his voice; doing that for at least 10 songs a night would. I don't see how you can compare his performances at home with his Journey gigs. If I want to stir the pot, then I would say that maybe the reason for singing in original key back home is because the audience there are much more critical (i.e they would notice if you down tune) than the typical Journey audience; but I'm not gonna say that.

My big thing is the family issue, If they're with him on this tour, how does he save his voice, he can't ignore them. And if one of them gets sick, they'll all probably be sick. Less sleep also. And how do you collaborate on new songs when you're in another bus separate from the guys? These question and more are going to make for interesting analysis (by me anyway ).

The same way Perry did when Sherrie was on the bus with him?

Seriously Gunbot, Journey are now making concessions for their singer. They have been heavily criticised before for touring their singers to death and now that they are correcting that mistake they still hear people whining?

You really should stop going at Arnel's site as you are turning in to a woman i.e. you can't seem to make up your mind on what you really want

I don't really want anything crucial, just to stimulate conversation and it seems to always work, with you especially. Are you sure you don't have a man crush on me?

[mdaemon]

You are right about Arnel. From what I have heard, he sings in normal key when he is home and away from the band, whether at hard Rock or wherever, so he's defeating the purpose of the band anyway.

The down tuning happened after Arnel has completed his commitments in the Philippines. Also, singing a couple of songs in one day in its original key wouldn't hurt his voice; doing that for at least 10 songs a night would. I don't see how you can compare his performances at home with his Journey gigs. If I want to stir the pot, then I would say that maybe the reason for singing in original key back home is because the audience there are much more critical (i.e they would notice if you down tune) than the typical Journey audience; but I'm not gonna say that.

My big thing is the family issue, If they're with him on this tour, how does he save his voice, he can't ignore them. And if one of them gets sick, they'll all probably be sick. Less sleep also. And how do you collaborate on new songs when you're in another bus separate from the guys? These question and more are going to make for interesting analysis (by me anyway ).

The same way Perry did when Sherrie was on the bus with him?

Seriously Gunbot, Journey are now making concessions for their singer. They have been heavily criticised before for touring their singers to death and now that they are correcting that mistake they still hear people whining?

You really should stop going at Arnel's site as you are turning in to a woman i.e. you can't seem to make up your mind on what you really want

I don't really want anything crucial, just to stimulate conversation and it seems to always work, with you especially. Are you sure you don't have a man crush on me?

...now that you mentioned it...

[Don]

You are right about Arnel. From what I have heard, he sings in normal key when he is home and away from the band, whether at hard Rock or wherever, so he's defeating the purpose of the band anyway.

The down tuning happened after Arnel has completed his commitments in the Philippines. Also, singing a couple of songs in one day in its original key wouldn't hurt his voice; doing that for at least 10 songs a night would. I don't see how you can compare his performances at home with his Journey gigs. If I want to stir the pot, then I would say that maybe the reason for singing in original key back home is because the audience there are much more critical (i.e they would notice if you down tune) than the typical Journey audience; but I'm not gonna say that.

My big thing is the family issue, If they're with him on this tour, how does he save his voice, he can't ignore them. And if one of them gets sick, they'll all probably be sick. Less sleep also. And how do you collaborate on new songs when you're in another bus separate from the guys? These question and more are going to make for interesting analysis (by me anyway ).

The same way Perry did when Sherrie was on the bus with him?

Seriously Gunbot, Journey are now making concessions for their singer. They have been heavily criticised before for touring their singers to death and now that they are correcting that mistake they still hear people whining?

You really should stop going at Arnel's site as you are turning in to a woman i.e. you can't seem to make up your mind on what you really want

I don't really want anything crucial, just to stimulate conversation and it seems to always work, with you especially. Are you sure you don't have a man crush on me?

...now that you mentioned it...

I feel a little bit of Asian Persuasion creeping up on me already this morning.

[portland]

You are right about Arnel. From what I have heard, he sings in normal key when he is home and away from the band, whether at hard Rock or wherever, so he's defeating the purpose of the band anyway.

The down tuning happened after Arnel has completed his commitments in the Philippines. Also, singing a couple of songs in one day in its original key wouldn't hurt his voice; doing that for at least 10 songs a night would. I don't see how you can compare his performances at home with his Journey gigs. If I want to stir the pot, then I would say that maybe the reason for singing in original key back home is because the audience there are much more critical (i.e they would notice if you down tune) than the typical Journey audience; but I'm not gonna say that.

My big thing is the family issue, If they're with him on this tour, how does he save his voice, he can't ignore them. And if one of them gets sick, they'll all probably be sick. Less sleep also. And how do you collaborate on new songs when you're in another bus separate from the guys? These question and more are going to make for interesting analysis (by me anyway ).

The same way Perry did when Sherrie was on the bus with him?

Seriously Gunbot, Journey are now making concessions for their singer. They have been heavily criticised before for touring their singers to death and now that they are correcting that mistake they still hear people whining?

You really should stop going at Arnel's site as you are turning in to a woman i.e. you can't seem to make up your mind on what you really want

I don't really want anything crucial, just to stimulate conversation and it seems to always work, with you especially. Are you sure you don't have a man crush on me?

...now that you mentioned it...

I feel a little bit of Asian Persuasion creeping up on me already this morning.

Don't worry it will pass....just breathe

[YoungJRNY]

I know what you are talking about....Madspalsh posted today that he thinks Perry is done.....look at the DSB-Perry thread...and I am not a killjoy...

Never said I think he's done, my outlook just isn't as positive as it was. I'm still praying for new stuff from the master. If it happens, I'll own it as soon as it's humanly possible, if it doesn't, I have enough spectacular stuff from the past to keep me satisfied for the rest of my life.

Whatever makes The Voice happy.

Sitting on his ass racking in millions probably makes him most happy.

[RocknRoll]

My big thing is the family issue, If they're with him on this tour, how does he save his voice, he can't ignore them. And if one of them gets sick, they'll all probably be sick. Less sleep also. And how do you collaborate on new songs when you're in another bus separate from the guys? These question and more are going to make for interesting analysis (by me anyway ).

With Night Ranger on the 2nd half of the tour, I'm sure hoping Neal, Jon and Jack Blades get together on some new music. They really seem to do well as a team. If AP is tied up on a seperate bus I guess "Cie la vie" It's obviously his choice.

[Don]

I know what you are talking about....Madspalsh posted today that he thinks Perry is done.....look at the DSB-Perry thread...and I am not a killjoy...

Never said I think he's done, my outlook just isn't as positive as it was. I'm still praying for new stuff from the master. If it happens, I'll own it as soon as it's humanly possible, if it doesn't, I have enough spectacular stuff from the past to keep me satisfied for the rest of my life.

Whatever makes The Voice happy.

Sitting on his ass racking in millions probably makes him most happy.

If I can do that when I'm 60 I'll be happy. From what I've seen, it looks like he enjoys spending quality time with his daughter and family. Nothing wrong with that. People are still purchasing Journey's Greatest Hits, commercials and movies are still using the songs. It's not his fault they keep paying him by using the old stuff instead of the new material.
He did over 600 live gigs with the band. Augeri barely did half that and Arnel not even a third. He paid the price, blowing out his voice where he can't even have a solo career. I say enjoy retirement, he's earned it.

[Don]

My big thing is the family issue, If they're with him on this tour, how does he save his voice, he can't ignore them. And if one of them gets sick, they'll all probably be sick. Less sleep also. And how do you collaborate on new songs when you're in another bus separate from the guys? These question and more are going to make for interesting analysis (by me anyway ).

With Night Ranger on the 2nd half of the tour, I'm sure hoping Neal, Jon and Jack Blades get together on some new music. They really seem to do well as a team. If AP is tied up on a seperate bus I guess "Cie la vie" It's obviously his choice.

Blades made a pretty penny cowriting Remember me. With the Armageddon Soundtrack at 4X Platinum, that's probably a nice little royalty check for him.

[Lula]

He did over 600 live gigs with the band. Augeri barely did half that and Arnel not even a third. He paid the price, blowing out his voice where he can't even have a solo career. I say enjoy retirement, he's earned it.

hot damn!! he sure did earn it!