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Postby Eric » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:41 am

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What they don't realize is that the same efforts also turn away the 30-40 something crowd....and once you turn your back on your core audience, you're fucked.


You mean like the NHL has. What a joke that league has become...and its pushed it Euro style on the AHL too. No sending messages, no touching, powerplay fests...WHAT A WASTE! They've tried to get new fans to be popular, failed, and in the meantime alienated people who actually love the game (the way it was at least). They let the Euros come in and drive the character guys out.....let them replace our traditions and culture.
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Postby Monker » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:54 am

I agree with you about SGU...I was excited about it at first. But, after seeing a few previews...It just looks hokey, like a bad remake of Voyager. They had a good idea, and it seems they killed SG1 and Atlantis to get it going, but I have a feeling it's going to be dead in the water.

And, Caprica? OMG, that looks sooo bad...

I like Sanctuary. Warehouse 13 is OK for a Tuesday night show. But, they need to get their head out of their butts and get something real and imaginitive on. Most of what they do now just seems so cliche and boring.

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verslibre wrote:They've been airing wrestling for a long time now (and yes, it sucked then, sucks now, will suck, etc.).


Not quite. Not really, it's more of a recent thing....it's been going on over the past year or so, but not really more than that.


verslibre wrote:I think they knew once BSG & the two principal Stargate shows were done, they were going to have issues...

But in lieu of "the next great SF series" we get ANOTHER Stargate spin-off, and shit like Warehouse 13 (sounds almost like a shoe store!) and Sanctuary.



The new stargate spinoff (stargate universe), from what I've read, is going to be a very sad, bad show. There's apparently going to be alot more BSG-style frame fucking. The character focus is going to be more on younger characters and there's going to be alot more of a darker feel to it (i.e. in the first few episodes, there's apparently one or two suicides) From what I gather, Brad Wright (Stargate franchise producer/director/writer/bigwig) got enough of a hint from the network that unless he changed the series to be a darker, younger, hipper attraction, the network wanted nothing to do with it. Unfortunate, since what made the Stargate franchise great was the lighter tongue-in-cheek feel that Rick Anderson brought to the table (which was smartly continued by Ben Browder and Joe Flanagan)....I'll reserve final judgment until I see it...but Im not hopeful, based on the spoilers I've seen.

and another stargate spinoff *could* have promse, if done right. That's what stinks about it. I'm one of the hugest stargate fans out there....and I'm not looking forward to SGU.
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Postby strangegrey » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:50 pm

Monker wrote:
I like Sanctuary. Warehouse 13 is OK for a Tuesday night show. But, they need to get their head out of their butts and get something real and imaginitive on. Most of what they do now just seems so cliche and boring.



I haven't seen sanctuary yet....and I should have at leasdt given it a view. Amanda Tapping is on my short list...so I'll definitely check it out. I've heard not so complementary things about it...but that's from one pov, not more...

so I will have to give it a try this season.
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Postby Rocker Chic » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:15 am

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Gunbot wrote:They had some of the top ratings for cable channels last year and they turn around and do something silly like this.

Did they?
From everything I read, they are changing the name specifically to appeal to a wider audience.
They were even gonna go with 'The Imagination Channel' at one point.
They have been branching out with wrestling and other non-genre programming for some time.
It's a desperate move by a channel that's been horribly mis-managed since day one.
Let's count the number of hit shows they have managed to destroy - Sliders, Farscape, The Invisible Man, G vs E, Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica etc.


I tend to think that the renaming is actually more moronic than that:

It's to prevent those brain dead twits that clammer for those horrible worm (bug, snake, crocodile, mythical beast... just take your pick -- same plots just different monsters) movies from calling the channel "skiffy". :P

Hooked on phonics, they just aren't! :x

Idiots...

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Postby wastingbeerz » Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:41 am

Wow... maybe it's time for some more genius name changes... how about...

Journey - Jurnee
Styx - Sticks
Judas Priest - Judis Preest
Dream Theater - Dream Theatre

LOL... yeah, I'm bored.
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Postby jrnyman28 » Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:34 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:Then perhaps MTV should no longer go by "Music Television" and change their name to reflect their actual programming. PCTV: Pop Culture Television" would be the accurate choice, but personally... I suggest "STV: Shit Television"

As for sci-fi... my present cable package doesn't have it, but the only thing I'd want on there are "Star Trek: TNG" reruns and Ghost Hunters. But if they're going to clog it all up with frickin' wrestling (huge eyeroll) than maybe I'm not missing out on much by not having it.


So Sci-Fi shouldn't change their name but MTV should? MTV no longer calls itself Music Television. And if it feels any better, you can refer to it as eMpTyV! ;)
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Postby jrnyman28 » Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:36 am

strangegrey wrote:[What they don't realize is that the same efforts also turn away the 30-40 something crowd....and once you turn your back on your core audience, you're fucked.


And Journey did this with their setlists for years...only catered to their casual fans instead of their core...
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Postby Behshad » Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:10 am

Eric wrote:Hmmm...misspelling in a trendy way to appeal to a wider audience...I wonder WHO that audience might be that it appeals to.



people like stevew2 & babyblue :lol:
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Postby kgdjpubs » Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:48 am

jrnyman28 wrote:
strangegrey wrote:[What they don't realize is that the same efforts also turn away the 30-40 something crowd....and once you turn your back on your core audience, you're fucked.


And Journey did this with their setlists for years...only catered to their casual fans instead of their core...



Judging by the general reaction of the crowds, I'd say they played the right songs most of the time, because they are still playing big venues 10 years later. Your core base is maybe 100 people out of 10,000 at a show. The "casual fan" is who allows them to tour large venues. Leave it to the core fan and they will be playing in your local nightclub.

Nothing wrong with mixing up the setlist to keep the diehards and band members on something other than cruise control. If you stray too far away from the hits though, you are going to lose your casual fans--which is the majority of your $$$.

One thing that Thunder did, and what I think is a wonderful idea, is to play one show a year for the diehards. Sometimes it was acoustic, sometimes it was electric, sometimes it was both. Either way, it was a small, cozy venue right before Christmas with a bunch of album tracks, and a few select covers, and very few--if any--of the hits. Then, sell recordings of the show through your website. It seemed to work very well as it sold out every year, the fans loved it as they got to hear songs that rarely get an airing live, and it was a way for the band to play something different and fun and skip the usual "hits show". You would think more bands would take a hint.
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Postby youkeepmewaiting » Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:04 am

kgdjpubs wrote:
jrnyman28 wrote:
strangegrey wrote:[What they don't realize is that the same efforts also turn away the 30-40 something crowd....and once you turn your back on your core audience, you're fucked.


And Journey did this with their setlists for years...only catered to their casual fans instead of their core...



Judging by the general reaction of the crowds, I'd say they played the right songs most of the time, because they are still playing big venues 10 years later. Your core base is maybe 100 people out of 10,000 at a show. The "casual fan" is who allows them to tour large venues. Leave it to the core fan and they will be playing in your local nightclub.

Nothing wrong with mixing up the setlist to keep the diehards and band members on something other than cruise control. If you stray too far away from the hits though, you are going to lose your casual fans--which is the majority of your $$$.

One thing that Thunder did, and what I think is a wonderful idea, is to play one show a year for the diehards. Sometimes it was acoustic, sometimes it was electric, sometimes it was both. Either way, it was a small, cozy venue right before Christmas with a bunch of album tracks, and a few select covers, and very few--if any--of the hits. Then, sell recordings of the show through your website. It seemed to work very well as it sold out every year, the fans loved it as they got to hear songs that rarely get an airing live, and it was a way for the band to play something different and fun and skip the usual "hits show". You would think more bands would take a hint.



Journey could easily of done this.. I dont know why they havnt.
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Postby strangegrey » Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:37 am

youkeepmewaiting wrote:Journey could easily of done this.. I dont know why they havnt.


This thread shouldn't be allowed to derail....but think hard enough, and you'll have your answer....
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Postby Monker » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:30 am

jrnyman28 wrote:
strangegrey wrote:[What they don't realize is that the same efforts also turn away the 30-40 something crowd....and once you turn your back on your core audience, you're fucked.


And Journey did this with their setlists for years...only catered to their casual fans instead of their core...


Is there any real evidence to show that the 'casual fan' of Journey is in a dfferent age group then their 'core'?
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Postby jrnyman28 » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:24 am

Monker wrote:
jrnyman28 wrote:
strangegrey wrote:[What they don't realize is that the same efforts also turn away the 30-40 something crowd....and once you turn your back on your core audience, you're fucked.


And Journey did this with their setlists for years...only catered to their casual fans instead of their core...


Is there any real evidence to show that the 'casual fan' of Journey is in a dfferent age group then their 'core'?


I doubt there is much of a difference in age.
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