A question to all who are Journey fans - past & present

[Jana]

I don't get how Cain doesn't get his due on here. He doesn't just write sappy stuff. Only The Young, Edge of the Blade, Chain Reaction, many more, great songs he was a part of. He elevated Journey in songwriting. Who's sappy? some of the most amazing songs are in the Cain era, and, yeah, SOME sappy ones, too. It seems to me Perry is pretty damn sappy in the songwriting dept. Look at a lot of his solo tunes. Was Cain more pop leaning? Yeah, but he had the direction of the band with Neal and their sound to steer him, of course, until Perry wanted to go pop with ROR and Cain was in heaven.

Oh,yeah, let me go pack to b/f Cain and rock out: I'm cryin', Good Morning Girl, Patiently. Ha. They rocked out then b/c of Neal's wicked guitar offsetting some of Perry's syrupy leanings.

[brywool]

Syrupy sappy horse shit is what turns people off from Journey. Cain writes syrupy sappy horse shit.

Boy, I dunno... if you read some of the Perry peeps here (I didn't say the "L" word), that's all they seem to want. At the shows, all people wanna hear is Open Arms and Faithfully. On Youtube, most of the time those are the songs that get posted, along with DSB. I think that you're wrong on Cain and he has been a key ingredient to what people (not critics) love about the band. It sure ain't "Edge of the Blade" or "Dead or Alive"

U2 cd was and is shit. Complete crap album. However, they stay fresh and relevant. it helps that their lead singer is an original and had the ear of the president of the United Fucking States regarding world poverty! I agree, and and like I said, U2 got their platinum on name recognition. I am proud of Bruces record, and it has sold more than U2's piece of shit. A much better record.

I don't think music fans give a crap about Bono's affiliations. I actually think they get sick of the preaching. I know after Joshua Tree, I quit listening to them for a LOOONG time. Bruce? Yeah, I don't and never will get it.

I don't know. Does Journey really have any options? If they can't get Walmart to back em, or maybe Best Buy, what's the incentive to go to Frontiers? They may sell 50,000 if they are lucky. If I was a huge Journey fan, and i'm not, I would be very concerned as to whom will carry them next effort. To me, that will tell the entire story.

Frontiers wouldn't do anything. Capitol isn't doing anything. Jesus, STARBUCKS sold the last McCartney album and he's pulled all his stuff from Capitol, yet the guy has been doing HUGE tours and is doing fine. The way things are now for all bands is to tour tour tour tour. Unless you're a hot chick or a rapper than you can just make videos the rest of your life...
Fact is, record companies have lost the way. It's all about promotion now and record companies don't promote most older artists. They just don't.

[Jubilee]

What makes you say that? Are his albums doing any better than Journey's?

Funny, I've actually bought all of his albums recently going back to whatever was after Waking Up the Neighbors. They're not great 'ROCK' records, but he's a great writer.

[This'll draw fire!]
What SHOULD happen is that since Perry won't put up and sing, he should write with the guys, have Arnel sing and rake in the dough. If he's burned out on the road and his voice is toast, fine, just have him write with Schon and Cain, have Arnel sing the tunes and rake in the royalties.

As if...

Crazy (and far-fetched) as it sounds, I like this idea. Best of both worlds, really when you think about it. You get the Perry/Cain/Schon songwriting combo, which is money, and you get a voice (although not THE VOICE) that is (something like) the Journey legacy sound. You get someone who's willing to tour...And Perry STILL gets "paid like a motherfucker". Who could ask for anything more?

[brywool]

BA could buy Journey 5 times if he wanted to.

What makes you say that? Are his albums doing any better than Journey's?

Funny, I've actually bought all of his albums recently going back to whatever was after Waking Up the Neighbors. They're not great 'ROCK' records, but he's a great writer.

[This'll draw fire!]
What SHOULD happen is that since Perry won't put up and sing, he should write with the guys, have Arnel sing and rake in the dough. If he's burned out on the road and his voice is toast, fine, just have him write with Schon and Cain, have Arnel sing the tunes and rake in the royalties.

As if...

I'm gonna spin that around and ask this. If Perry came back, (he won't but run with me here) do you think he'd be open to singing any post-Perry material? I'm thinking maybe not.

Ugh, don't go there! He would WRITE and maybe even PRODUCE but not sing and not tour. That's the hypothetical situation.

[brywool]

What makes you say that? Are his albums doing any better than Journey's?

Funny, I've actually bought all of his albums recently going back to whatever was after Waking Up the Neighbors. They're not great 'ROCK' records, but he's a great writer.

[This'll draw fire!]
What SHOULD happen is that since Perry won't put up and sing, he should write with the guys, have Arnel sing and rake in the dough. If he's burned out on the road and his voice is toast, fine, just have him write with Schon and Cain, have Arnel sing the tunes and rake in the royalties.

As if...

Crazy (and far-fetched) as it sounds, I like this idea. Best of both worlds, really when you think about it. You get the Perry/Cain/Schon songwriting combo, which is money, and you get a voice (although not THE VOICE) that is (something like) the Journey legacy sound. You get someone who's willing to tour...And Perry STILL gets "paid like a motherfucker". Who could ask for anything more?

EXACTLY. All the worries about his voice that he has, all the "I'm toast" stuff, all that goes out the window and he gets to CREATE. That'd be a great way to go. BUT- I don't think he'd be able to not sing the stuff. That'd be tough for him. Still, that'd be a good thing. Perry seems like the kind of guy that would "Well, if I can't do it all, I don't want to do any of it". He's probably justified in that, but if you can no longer do it all, have a hand in creation of new stuff and reap the rewards, if any.

[Don]

I don't get how Cain doesn't get his due on here. He doesn't just write sappy stuff. Only The Young, Edge of the Blade, Chain Reaction, many more, great songs he was a part of. He elevated Journey in songwriting. Who's sappy? some of the most amazing songs are in the Cain era, and, yeah, SOME sappy ones, too. It seems to me Perry is pretty damn sappy in the songwriting dept. Look at a lot of his solo tunes. Was Cain more pop leaning? Yeah, but he had the direction of the band with Neal and their sound to steer him, of course, until Perry wanted to go pop with ROR and Cain was in heaven.

Oh,yeah, let me go pack to b/f Cain and rock out: I'm cryin', Good Morning Girl, Patiently. Ha. They rocked out then b/c of Neal's wicked guitar offsetting some of Perry's syrupy leanings.

That is what is missing now though, those wicked guitar solos on the new stuff. It's all well and good to add that stuff to DSB or OA, songs that have been around for decades but where is the killer solos on the new stuff? Is Jon Cain blocking it. Remember, Perry was the one that got on Sony for trying to cut the solo on WCN. Cain might need to take a long walk off of a short pier.

[brywool]

I don't get how Cain doesn't get his due on here. He doesn't just write sappy stuff. Only The Young, Edge of the Blade, Chain Reaction, many more, great songs he was a part of. He elevated Journey in songwriting. Who's sappy? some of the most amazing songs are in the Cain era, and, yeah, SOME sappy ones, too. It seems to me Perry is pretty damn sappy in the songwriting dept. Look at a lot of his solo tunes. Was Cain more pop leaning? Yeah, but he had the direction of the band with Neal and their sound to steer him, of course, until Perry wanted to go pop with ROR and Cain was in heaven.

Oh,yeah, let me go pack to b/f Cain and rock out: I'm cryin', Good Morning Girl, Patiently. Ha. They rocked out then b/c of Neal's wicked guitar offsetting some of Perry's syrupy leanings.

That is what is missing now though, those wicked guitar solos on the new stuff. It's all well and good to add that stuff to DSB or OA, songs that have been around for decades but where is the killer solos on the new stuff? Is Jon Cain blocking it. Remember, Perry was the one that got on Sony for trying to cut the solo on WCN. Cain might need to take a long walk off of a short pier.

why does no guitar solos equate with Cain? He's in awe of Neal as a player. Always was. There some are good solos on the new album.

[Don]

Syrupy sappy horse shit is what turns people off from Journey. Cain writes syrupy sappy horse shit.

Boy, I dunno... if you read some of the Perry peeps here (I didn't say the "L" word), that's all they seem to want. At the shows, all people wanna hear is Open Arms and Faithfully. On Youtube, most of the time those are the songs that get posted, along with DSB. I think that you're wrong on Cain and he has been a key ingredient to what people (not critics) love about the band. It sure ain't "Edge of the Blade" or "Dead or Alive"

U2 cd was and is shit. Complete crap album. However, they stay fresh and relevant. it helps that their lead singer is an original and had the ear of the president of the United Fucking States regarding world poverty! I agree, and and like I said, U2 got their platinum on name recognition. I am proud of Bruces record, and it has sold more than U2's piece of shit. A much better record.

I don't think music fans give a crap about Bono's affiliations. I actually think they get sick of the preaching. I know after Joshua Tree, I quit listening to them for a LOOONG time. Bruce? Yeah, I don't and never will get it.

I don't know. Does Journey really have any options? If they can't get Walmart to back em, or maybe Best Buy, what's the incentive to go to Frontiers? They may sell 50,000 if they are lucky. If I was a huge Journey fan, and i'm not, I would be very concerned as to whom will carry them next effort. To me, that will tell the entire story.

Frontiers wouldn't do anything. Capitol isn't doing anything. Jesus, STARBUCKS sold the last McCartney album and he's pulled all his stuff from Capitol, yet the guy has been doing HUGE tours and is doing fine. The way things are now for all bands is to tour tour tour tour. Unless you're a hot chick or a rapper than you can just make videos the rest of your life...
Fact is, record companies have lost the way. It's all about promotion now and record companies don't promote most older artists. They just don't.

It's all about having hit singles now. Taylor Swift and Black Eye Peas don't need to hit platinum because they're getting over two million digital download for hit singles. That's how the new game is played. Just get in the top 40 with as many songs as possible. And they're selling out places like Staples and MSG off the strength of those singles.

DSB has two million downloads and it only # 42 on the total digital download list There are people out their like T-Pain with 300k album sales but 4.2 million downloads for a single song. Itunes and Amazon music is where it's at.

[Don]

I don't get how Cain doesn't get his due on here. He doesn't just write sappy stuff. Only The Young, Edge of the Blade, Chain Reaction, many more, great songs he was a part of. He elevated Journey in songwriting. Who's sappy? some of the most amazing songs are in the Cain era, and, yeah, SOME sappy ones, too. It seems to me Perry is pretty damn sappy in the songwriting dept. Look at a lot of his solo tunes. Was Cain more pop leaning? Yeah, but he had the direction of the band with Neal and their sound to steer him, of course, until Perry wanted to go pop with ROR and Cain was in heaven.

Oh,yeah, let me go pack to b/f Cain and rock out: I'm cryin', Good Morning Girl, Patiently. Ha. They rocked out then b/c of Neal's wicked guitar offsetting some of Perry's syrupy leanings.

That is what is missing now though, those wicked guitar solos on the new stuff. It's all well and good to add that stuff to DSB or OA, songs that have been around for decades but where is the killer solos on the new stuff? Is Jon Cain blocking it. Remember, Perry was the one that got on Sony for trying to cut the solo on WCN. Cain might need to take a long walk off of a short pier.

why does no guitar solos equate with Cain? He's in awe of Neal as a player. Always was. There some are good solos on the new album.

I'm not a fan of BGTY or Stone in love but both of those songs slay any thing on Revelation when it comes to Guitar work.

[Jana]

I don't get how Cain doesn't get his due on here. He doesn't just write sappy stuff. Only The Young, Edge of the Blade, Chain Reaction, many more, great songs he was a part of. He elevated Journey in songwriting. Who's sappy? some of the most amazing songs are in the Cain era, and, yeah, SOME sappy ones, too. It seems to me Perry is pretty damn sappy in the songwriting dept. Look at a lot of his solo tunes. Was Cain more pop leaning? Yeah, but he had the direction of the band with Neal and their sound to steer him, of course, until Perry wanted to go pop with ROR and Cain was in heaven.

Oh,yeah, let me go pack to b/f Cain and rock out: I'm cryin', Good Morning Girl, Patiently. Ha. They rocked out then b/c of Neal's wicked guitar offsetting some of Perry's syrupy leanings.

That is what is missing now though, those wicked guitar solos on the new stuff. It's all well and good to add that stuff to DSB or OA, songs that have been around for decades but where is the killer solos on the new stuff? Is Jon Cain blocking it. Remember, Perry was the one that got on Sony for trying to cut the solo on WCN. Cain might need to take a long walk off of a short pier.

why does no guitar solos equate with Cain? He's in awe of Neal as a player. Always was. There some are good solos on the new album.

Here comes Perry Loon Gunbot: Perry was perfect. Cain should walk the plank.

[brywool]

It's all about having hit singles now. Taylor Swift and Black Eye Peas don't need to hit platinum because they're getting over two million digital download for hit singles. That's how the new game is played. Just get in the top 40 with as many songs as possible. And they're selling out places like Staples and MSG off the strength of those singles.

DSB has two million downloads and it only # 42 on the total digital download list There are people out their like T-Pain with 300k album sales but 4.2 million downloads for a single song. Itunes and Amazon music is where it's at.

Black Eyed Peas.... jeez, they should change their name to "Fergie Peez".

Seriously though, singles have always been the deal. In the 80s, singles were called "videos".
It doesn't help Journey to have their album only available through WalMart. WM has a lot of people who just WON'T go there and it's not as accessible as Itunes. I thnk that WalMart was great for promoting the album at first, but at this point, people need to be able to buy it through Itunes and other online avenues. WalMart should have a deal with Itunes so it can be sold both as hard media and soft. Their music store online is ... unknown.

[steveo777]

I don't get how Cain doesn't get his due on here. He doesn't just write sappy stuff. Only The Young, Edge of the Blade, Chain Reaction, many more, great songs he was a part of. He elevated Journey in songwriting. Who's sappy? some of the most amazing songs are in the Cain era, and, yeah, SOME sappy ones, too. It seems to me Perry is pretty damn sappy in the songwriting dept. Look at a lot of his solo tunes. Was Cain more pop leaning? Yeah, but he had the direction of the band with Neal and their sound to steer him, of course, until Perry wanted to go pop with ROR and Cain was in heaven.

Oh,yeah, let me go pack to b/f Cain and rock out: I'm cryin', Good Morning Girl, Patiently. Ha. They rocked out then b/c of Neal's wicked guitar offsetting some of Perry's syrupy leanings.

That is what is missing now though, those wicked guitar solos on the new stuff. It's all well and good to add that stuff to DSB or OA, songs that have been around for decades but where is the killer solos on the new stuff? Is Jon Cain blocking it. Remember, Perry was the one that got on Sony for trying to cut the solo on WCN. Cain might need to take a long walk off of a short pier.

why does no guitar solos equate with Cain? He's in awe of Neal as a player. Always was. There some are good solos on the new album.

Here comes Perry Loon Gunbot: Perry was perfect. Cain should walk the plank.

LOL...he posted over at AP's forum before but either him or they decided it wasn't a good fit. I was there. If he got rejected in plokkerville, he had nowhere to run but to loonland.

[Don]

I don't get how Cain doesn't get his due on here. He doesn't just write sappy stuff. Only The Young, Edge of the Blade, Chain Reaction, many more, great songs he was a part of. He elevated Journey in songwriting. Who's sappy? some of the most amazing songs are in the Cain era, and, yeah, SOME sappy ones, too. It seems to me Perry is pretty damn sappy in the songwriting dept. Look at a lot of his solo tunes. Was Cain more pop leaning? Yeah, but he had the direction of the band with Neal and their sound to steer him, of course, until Perry wanted to go pop with ROR and Cain was in heaven.

Oh,yeah, let me go pack to b/f Cain and rock out: I'm cryin', Good Morning Girl, Patiently. Ha. They rocked out then b/c of Neal's wicked guitar offsetting some of Perry's syrupy leanings.

That is what is missing now though, those wicked guitar solos on the new stuff. It's all well and good to add that stuff to DSB or OA, songs that have been around for decades but where is the killer solos on the new stuff? Is Jon Cain blocking it. Remember, Perry was the one that got on Sony for trying to cut the solo on WCN. Cain might need to take a long walk off of a short pier.

why does no guitar solos equate with Cain? He's in awe of Neal as a player. Always was. There some are good solos on the new album.

Here comes Perry Loon Gunbot: Perry was perfect. Cain should walk the plank.

I would say something about Cain but I don't want my post deleted or some one ratting on me. I agree with you though, when it comes to Journey anyway Perry was perfect and Cain should walk the plank. Solo career wise, I'll take street talk over any thing Cain has done, but I'm not truly enamored with anything Perry or the band has done when they're apart from each other.

[Don]

I don't get how Cain doesn't get his due on here. He doesn't just write sappy stuff. Only The Young, Edge of the Blade, Chain Reaction, many more, great songs he was a part of. He elevated Journey in songwriting. Who's sappy? some of the most amazing songs are in the Cain era, and, yeah, SOME sappy ones, too. It seems to me Perry is pretty damn sappy in the songwriting dept. Look at a lot of his solo tunes. Was Cain more pop leaning? Yeah, but he had the direction of the band with Neal and their sound to steer him, of course, until Perry wanted to go pop with ROR and Cain was in heaven.

Oh,yeah, let me go pack to b/f Cain and rock out: I'm cryin', Good Morning Girl, Patiently. Ha. They rocked out then b/c of Neal's wicked guitar offsetting some of Perry's syrupy leanings.

That is what is missing now though, those wicked guitar solos on the new stuff. It's all well and good to add that stuff to DSB or OA, songs that have been around for decades but where is the killer solos on the new stuff? Is Jon Cain blocking it. Remember, Perry was the one that got on Sony for trying to cut the solo on WCN. Cain might need to take a long walk off of a short pier.

why does no guitar solos equate with Cain? He's in awe of Neal as a player. Always was. There some are good solos on the new album.

Here comes Perry Loon Gunbot: Perry was perfect. Cain should walk the plank.

LOL...he posted over at AP's forum before but either him or they decided it wasn't a good fit. I was there. If he got rejected in plokkerville, he had nowhere to run but to loonland.

The plokkers are just like us. They just do everything behind your back instead of to your face, like the way we handle things here. I had detractors there but instead of blasting me, they would go after anyone siding with me or who had left nice comments on my blog page which was totally unfair so in the end, I packed my shit and left. From what I can see, the shout box cliches and little groups sniping each other behind the lines still exist. By the way, who's brilliant idea was it to make two websites? Nice way to split up the homegrown fans.

I was perfectly content to leave all that in the past but if you guys went to bring it up, I'm ready to roll.

[strangegrey]

When you listen to old school Journey (Steve Perry) can you close your eyes and feel the magic, drift off to another world, and just admire the power and skills this man possessed, the timing, all those things.

Each and every time!

When you close your eyes and listen to Arnel Pineda and Steve Augeri, do you get the same feeling? the same feeling as you did when you were a Teenager? (for those who grew up with JRNY).

No!

And let me offer that there's no partiality here. I am a huge Augeri fan....and was since 92, when he was in TS. Arnel is just another tool being used by the Journey machine these days....and he doesn't convey the magic either.


So fuck all ya! When it comes to the music, I'm a fucking loon, through and through.

Why do people still want to hear the music? what makes it so good now, is the same magic there? what is it that keeps you interested in listening to Journey without Steve Perry.

I really do think that people will take a shitty facsimile of Journey any day of the week than no Journey at all. That's the way I was for years...and I'm starting to come back around to that idea. The current incarnation doesn't convey Perry, neither did the Augeri (or Soto) fronted Journey.

But the music is still a shitload better than the Jonas Brothers or Hanna Montana, ya dig?


There are songs released by 'new' journey that are fucking amazing:

World Gone Wild, Signs of Life, With Your Love, Nothin Comes Close, To Be Alive Again, A Better Life, The Place In Your Heart, Change for the Better, What I Needed, etc

Unfortunately, there's some REAL bad ones in between the above.

It's impossible to find a bad song on Escape or Frontiers. There's maybe one or two bad ones on each of the first three perry albums...and even ROR and TBF have a solid core of songs.



Just my $0.02. Lots of very valid thoughts in this thread...

[strangegrey]

With Perry, yes indeed, absolutely.
With Augeri, not so much, but there was 'some' magic there.
With Pineda, i feel absolutely nothing. I do not listen to the current lineup any longer.

This is pretty much how I feel.

Sometimes I wonder if I would have liked Arnel more if he hadn't come in right after two sour situations with other singers. That really killed the whole Journey thing for me.

Amen.....this says it perfectly.


I think if Arnel was brought in in 97, right after Perry flaked out for the second time....I would have been totally hooked. But the Augeri shanghai, the JSS fucking....it's the whole fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

After watching 3 singers not work out in this group, it's hard to not view Arnel as tomorrow's new ex-Journey singer...

[strangegrey]

With Perry.. I hear emotion

Not a knock on perry here but I nominate "emotion" as not only totally unquantifiable but the single most over-used and overrated label on this board.

You're right. It's an 'intangible' factor...I see emotion used to characterize things that people can't describe in someone's voice.

It's a magic.

It's the shit they put in the water in Walt Disney World.

It's the scent of a woman....


it really is impossible to describe it. And you're right that it's overused.


But The Nostril had that Magic in spades....whatever the fuck it was....it was that. Too bad he doesn't want to share the pixie dust anymore...

[strangegrey]

Know what Journey needs? Seriously? An outside songwriter to write a mega hit. Maybe Bryan Adams or Rob Thomas. Before you laugh, those two have written more hit songs than Schon and Friga.

That would be a close race. Schon and Friga have penned more than just Journey hits. I'm not saying badams and thomas havent. But Thomas doesn't have the career length to generate enough 'hits' to put him in Schlong and Friga's royalty payday. Badams? Yeah, you might have me there...but again, I'd still convinced it would be a close race...

[Don]

Know what Journey needs? Seriously? An outside songwriter to write a mega hit. Maybe Bryan Adams or Rob Thomas. Before you laugh, those two have written more hit songs than Schon and Friga.

That would be a close race. Schon and Friga have penned more than just Journey hits. I'm not saying badams and thomas havent. But Thomas doesn't have the career length to generate enough 'hits' to put him in Schlong and Friga's royalty payday. Badams? Yeah, you might have me there...but again, I'd still convinced it would be a close race...

The only hit I could think of Cain writing by himself away from Journey was Allies by Heart. Is there other stuff out there?

[strangegrey]

Know what Journey needs? Seriously? An outside songwriter to write a mega hit. Maybe Bryan Adams or Rob Thomas. Before you laugh, those two have written more hit songs than Schon and Friga.

That would be a close race. Schon and Friga have penned more than just Journey hits. I'm not saying badams and thomas havent. But Thomas doesn't have the career length to generate enough 'hits' to put him in Schlong and Friga's royalty payday. Badams? Yeah, you might have me there...but again, I'd still convinced it would be a close race...

The only hit I could think of Cain writing by himself away from Journey was Allies by Heart. Is there other stuff out there?

That was what immediately came to mind, but I thought he had some writing credit on Bolton's stuff too. There's gotta be a Frigadoon on here that can spew off his entire royalties pedigree....

[Saint John]

There's gotta be a Frigadoon on here that can spew off his entire royalties pedigree....

Andrew banned him.

[Don]

Know what Journey needs? Seriously? An outside songwriter to write a mega hit. Maybe Bryan Adams or Rob Thomas. Before you laugh, those two have written more hit songs than Schon and Friga.

That would be a close race. Schon and Friga have penned more than just Journey hits. I'm not saying badams and thomas havent. But Thomas doesn't have the career length to generate enough 'hits' to put him in Schlong and Friga's royalty payday. Badams? Yeah, you might have me there...but again, I'd still convinced it would be a close race...

The only hit I could think of Cain writing by himself away from Journey was Allies by Heart. Is there other stuff out there?

That was what immediately came to mind, but I thought he had some writing credit on Bolton's stuff too. There's gotta be a Frigadoon on here that can spew off his entire royalties pedigree....

If MJ was getting 5 million a year for royalties (and he didn't really have all that many writing credits despite what everyone thinks) I wonder how much Cain Perry and Schon take home every year. Gerry Rafferty reportedly STILL makes $150k a year in royalties from "Baker Street". I have seen where the guy from Secret Garden makes a million a year from the song You Raise Me Up due to the song being covered by over a hundred different artists. Journey has 18 Top 40 Hits. That has to be decent money, even if split three ways.

[journeyrock]

Know what Journey needs? Seriously? An outside songwriter to write a mega hit. Maybe Bryan Adams or Rob Thomas. Before you laugh, those two have written more hit songs than Schon and Friga.

That would be a close race. Schon and Friga have penned more than just Journey hits. I'm not saying badams and thomas havent. But Thomas doesn't have the career length to generate enough 'hits' to put him in Schlong and Friga's royalty payday. Badams? Yeah, you might have me there...but again, I'd still convinced it would be a close race...

The only hit I could think of Cain writing by himself away from Journey was Allies by Heart. Is there other stuff out there?

That was what immediately came to mind, but I thought he had some writing credit on Bolton's stuff too. There's gotta be a Frigadoon on here that can spew off his entire royalties pedigree....

If MJ was getting 5 million a year for royalties (and he didn't really have all that many writing credits despite what everyone thinks) I wonder how much Cain Perry and Schon take home every year. Gerry Rafferty reportedly STILL makes $150k a year in royalties from "Baker Street". Ihave seen where the guy from Secret Garden makes a million a year from the song You Raise Me Up due to the song being covered by over a hundred different artists.

no wonder Perry is helping other artist cover Journey songs. ie: I Can See it in your Eyes

[strangegrey]

There's gotta be a Frigadoon on here that can spew off his entire royalties pedigree....

Andrew banned him.

LOL. Who was that?

[Saint John]

There's gotta be a Frigadoon on here that can spew off his entire royalties pedigree....

Andrew banned him.

LOL. Who was that?

Tee-Toe

[strangegrey]

If MJ was getting 5 million a year for royalties (and he didn't really have all that many writing credits despite what everyone thinks) I wonder how much Cain Perry and Schon take home every year. Gerry Rafferty reportedly STILL makes $150k a year in royalties from "Baker Street". I have seen where the guy from Secret Garden makes a million a year from the song You Raise Me Up due to the song being covered by over a hundred different artists. Journey has 18 Top 40 Hits. That has to be decent money, even if split three ways.

It depends entirely on the deal the artist struck with the publishing agent/company.

[Saint John]

There's gotta be a Frigadoon on here that can spew off his entire royalties pedigree....

A quick google search yielded this:

He also has contributed to song writing for many other artists, including Michael Bolton, Kenny Rogers, Sammy Hagar, Heart, Greg Allman, Conway Twitty, The Oak Ridge Boys, Collin Raye, Lorrie Morgan, Maria Carey, Jimmy Barnes, and Peter Frampton. He has also worked as a producer for Michael Bolton and Neal Schon, and since 1996 has worked on tours and new material with a reformed Journey.

[steveo777]

I don't get how Cain doesn't get his due on here. He doesn't just write sappy stuff. Only The Young, Edge of the Blade, Chain Reaction, many more, great songs he was a part of. He elevated Journey in songwriting. Who's sappy? some of the most amazing songs are in the Cain era, and, yeah, SOME sappy ones, too. It seems to me Perry is pretty damn sappy in the songwriting dept. Look at a lot of his solo tunes. Was Cain more pop leaning? Yeah, but he had the direction of the band with Neal and their sound to steer him, of course, until Perry wanted to go pop with ROR and Cain was in heaven.

Oh,yeah, let me go pack to b/f Cain and rock out: I'm cryin', Good Morning Girl, Patiently. Ha. They rocked out then b/c of Neal's wicked guitar offsetting some of Perry's syrupy leanings.

That is what is missing now though, those wicked guitar solos on the new stuff. It's all well and good to add that stuff to DSB or OA, songs that have been around for decades but where is the killer solos on the new stuff? Is Jon Cain blocking it. Remember, Perry was the one that got on Sony for trying to cut the solo on WCN. Cain might need to take a long walk off of a short pier.

why does no guitar solos equate with Cain? He's in awe of Neal as a player. Always was. There some are good solos on the new album.

Here comes Perry Loon Gunbot: Perry was perfect. Cain should walk the plank.

LOL...he posted over at AP's forum before but either him or they decided it wasn't a good fit. I was there. If he got rejected in plokkerville, he had nowhere to run but to loonland.

The plokkers are just like us. They just do everything behind your back instead of to your face, like the way we handle things here. I had detractors there but instead of blasting me, they would go after anyone siding with me or who had left nice comments on my blog page which was totally unfair so in the end, I packed my shit and left. From what I can see, the shout box cliches and little groups sniping each other behind the lines still exist. By the way, who's brilliant idea was it to make two websites? Nice way to split up the homegrown fans.

I was perfectly content to leave all that in the past but if you guys went to bring it up, I'm ready to roll.

Hey GB. I was messing with you man. I was there when the two sites got split. Most were in favor of the new forum format, but there were some who dug their heels in and cryed and whined about it. Some just could not resist change. That soured me on the original forum and I left it. Frankly, whoever is in charge should have just closed the other site and kept them united. In time everyone would have just adapted to the new forum.

[Don]

If MJ was getting 5 million a year for royalties (and he didn't really have all that many writing credits despite what everyone thinks) I wonder how much Cain Perry and Schon take home every year. Gerry Rafferty reportedly STILL makes $150k a year in royalties from "Baker Street". I have seen where the guy from Secret Garden makes a million a year from the song You Raise Me Up due to the song being covered by over a hundred different artists. Journey has 18 Top 40 Hits. That has to be decent money, even if split three ways.

It depends entirely on the deal the artist struck with the publishing agent/company.

It's weird how that works out. Nick Lowe was saying the song he wrote for Elvis Costello, Peace Love And Understanding didn't really net him anything at first. Then some obscure group does a cover of it for the Bodyguard Soundtrack (which goes on to sell 18 million albums) and he becomes a millionaire over night.

[strangegrey]

There's gotta be a Frigadoon on here that can spew off his entire royalties pedigree....

Andrew banned him.

LOL. Who was that?

Tee-Toe

Oh Duh! How could I forget....


Drew needs to bring that fucker back...