Journey Back on Tour - Steve Perry Back On The Radio

[journey361]

People you argue for no reason at all. There are so many singers who are awesome in all reguards and can make you happy when you really feel sad or have a bad day. But SMFP had (my belief) a strange kind of flow to his voice, a sorta of gold plated layerd vocal tool starting around or a little before he ever joined Journey. He earned untouchable status by improvement as basketball player Lebron James has matured since he's been in the NBA. On top of what i just said, you throw in so many levels of style and contrast, and it brings you to SMFP who's earned legacy not because GOD gave it to him but because he improved it and knew what he could be as he practiced his tools of trade and just look what happened. No other singer in history could shoot the three, play defense, take the ball to the basket and shut down the enemy like the VOICE, plain and simple. With all this being said, i think he knows what he has put on the table and will NOT release anymore music to tarnish a perfect championship. Again, this is how i think and feel about SMFP.

[brywool]

WHO HAS SAID PERRY WASN'T THE BEST SINGER FOR JOURNEY?

NOBODY THAT I KNOW OF. I haven't. Janna hasn't. Neither have the JSS, Augeri, peeps.

So why do people act like that's what 's happening and that by praising any of these singers that they're somehow taking away from SP??? I'm the biggest AP fan in the world, but I also know that without Perry he'd not be what he is today. I'm also a huge Perry fan, but the guy makes me completely frustrated as do some of his 'fans' that can't give ANY credit to what's going on today without comparing it to WHAT'S BEEN DEAD FOR 13 YEARS.

[bluejeangirl76]

Oy vey.

[brywool]

Oy vey.

yeah, yer right.

Bye!

[Jana]

People you argue for no reason at all. There are so many singers who are awesome in all reguards and can make you happy when you really feel sad or have a bad day. But SMFP had (my belief) a strange kind of flow to his voice, a sorta of gold plated layerd vocal tool starting around or a little before he ever joined Journey. He earned untouchable status by improvement as basketball player Lebron James has matured since he's been in the NBA. On top of what i just said, you throw in so many levels of style and contrast, and it brings you to SMFP who's earned legacy not because GOD gave it to him but because he improved it and knew what he could be as he practiced his tools of trade and just look what happened. No other singer in history could shoot the three, play defense, take the ball to the basket and shut down the enemy like the VOICE, plain and simple. With all this being said, i think he knows what he has put on the table and will NOT release anymore music to tarnish a perfect championship. Again, this is how i think and feel about SMFP.

uh, nobody has ever said on MR, that I remember, that Perry wasn't the gold standard and beyond amazing. People like to act like that we're saying that, but it's not true. It's just that it seems to irritate some people that we're enjoying Journey still without Perry and seem to resent when we're praising other singers for Journey or the concerts now. True, there are discussions whether Perry has the capability to sing or sing certain songs now, and that will always go on when some come on a thread and argue about he should be with Journey or no one will match him so we should sit home and not go see Journey, basically, you know the drill. But it's never been disputed Perry was a one-of-a-kind voice.

[youkeepmewaiting]

People you argue for no reason at all. There are so many singers who are awesome in all reguards and can make you happy when you really feel sad or have a bad day. But SMFP had (my belief) a strange kind of flow to his voice, a sorta of gold plated layerd vocal tool starting around or a little before he ever joined Journey. He earned untouchable status by improvement as basketball player Lebron James has matured since he's been in the NBA. On top of what i just said, you throw in so many levels of style and contrast, and it brings you to SMFP who's earned legacy not because GOD gave it to him but because he improved it and knew what he could be as he practiced his tools of trade and just look what happened. No other singer in history could shoot the three, play defense, take the ball to the basket and shut down the enemy like the VOICE, plain and simple. With all this being said, i think he knows what he has put on the table and will NOT release anymore music to tarnish a perfect championship. Again, this is how i think and feel about SMFP.

uh, nobody has ever said on MR, that I remember, that Perry wasn't the gold standard and beyond amazing. People like to act like that we're saying that, but it's not true. It's just that it seems to irritate some people that we're enjoying Journey still without Perry and seem to resent when we're praising other singers for Journey or the concerts now. True, there are discussions whether Perry has the capability to sing or sing certain songs now, and that will always go on when some come on a thread and argue about he should be with Journey or no one will match him so we should sit home and not go see Journey, basically, you know the drill. But it's never been disputed Perry was a one-of-a-kind voice.

+!

Yep we nearly all love Perry. An amazing voice. But he isnt the only singer out there.

[Onestepper]

What does this have to do with being tired of interviews regarding DSB?

It's like an echo chamber in here sometimes.

[youkeepmewaiting]

What does this have to do with being tired of interviews regarding DSB?

It's like an echo chamber in here sometimes.

PERRY PERRY PERry Perry perry perry ery ry y

[Since 78]

People you argue for no reason at all. There are so many singers who are awesome in all reguards and can make you happy when you really feel sad or have a bad day. But SMFP had (my belief) a strange kind of flow to his voice, a sorta of gold plated layerd vocal tool starting around or a little before he ever joined Journey. He earned untouchable status by improvement as basketball player Lebron James has matured since he's been in the NBA. On top of what i just said, you throw in so many levels of style and contrast, and it brings you to SMFP who's earned legacy not because GOD gave it to him but because he improved it and knew what he could be as he practiced his tools of trade and just look what happened. No other singer in history could shoot the three, play defense, take the ball to the basket and shut down the enemy like the VOICE, plain and simple. With all this being said, i think he knows what he has put on the table and will NOT release anymore music to tarnish a perfect championship. Again, this is how i think and feel about SMFP.

uh, nobody has ever said on MR, that I remember, that Perry wasn't the gold standard and beyond amazing. People like to act like that we're saying that, but it's not true. It's just that it seems to irritate some people that we're enjoying Journey still without Perry and seem to resent when we're praising other singers for Journey or the concerts now. True, there are discussions whether Perry has the capability to sing or sing certain songs now, and that will always go on when some come on a thread and argue about he should be with Journey or no one will match him so we should sit home and not go see Journey, basically, you know the drill. But it's never been disputed Perry was a one-of-a-kind voice.

+!

Yep we nearly all love Perry. An amazing voice. But he isnt the only singer out there.

+ Me!

[Saint John]

Perry's voice from 1981-1983, and at times in 1986, is the finest I have ever heard. No one is really even close.

[journey361]

Dam right skippy, you got that right Saint John. Someone tell AP to change his approach to every word on every song for just one frick'en concert. Don't sing words to every song the way SP did, change wording and stealth for one dam show. Please AP, please, for God's sake, stand up before it's too late.

[Duncan]

Dam right skippy, you got that right Saint John. Someone tell AP to change his approach to every word on every song for just one frick'en concert. Don't sing words to every song the way SP did, change wording and stealth for one dam show. Please AP, please, for God's sake, stand up before it's too late.

He does. Ever seen him?

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Now playing: Jason Mraz - I'm Yours

[Don]

Dam right skippy, you got that right Saint John. Someone tell AP to change his approach to every word on every song for just one frick'en concert. Don't sing words to every song the way SP did, change wording and stealth for one dam show. Please AP, please, for God's sake, stand up before it's too late.

Arnel is giving the fans what they expect to hear. He's not the bad guy. If he was allowed to change it up like that, it would defeat the purpose of not keeping Soto on board.

[youkeepmewaiting]

Dam right skippy, you got that right Saint John. Someone tell AP to change his approach to every word on every song for just one frick'en concert. Don't sing words to every song the way SP did, change wording and stealth for one dam show. Please AP, please, for God's sake, stand up before it's too late.

Awful song.

And have you ever seen him live? He does change it up.

He is damned if he sings it like Perry and damned if he doesnt..

[journeyrock]

Dam right skippy, you got that right Saint John. Someone tell AP to change his approach to every word on every song for just one frick'en concert. Don't sing words to every song the way SP did, change wording and stealth for one dam show. Please AP, please, for God's sake, stand up before it's too late.

Arnel is giving the fans what they expect to hear. He's not the bad guy. If he was allowed to change it up like that, it would defeat the purpose of not keeping Soto on board.

I think they call that a cover band.

[youkeepmewaiting]

Dam right skippy, you got that right Saint John. Someone tell AP to change his approach to every word on every song for just one frick'en concert. Don't sing words to every song the way SP did, change wording and stealth for one dam show. Please AP, please, for God's sake, stand up before it's too late.

Arnel is giving the fans what they expect to hear. He's not the bad guy. If he was allowed to change it up like that, it would defeat the purpose of not keeping Soto on board.

I think they call that a cover band.

A band performing there own songs is called covering?
So was SP in a cover band in 1994 when he was performing Journey songs..

Perrys gone.. get over it please...

[Don]

Dam right skippy, you got that right Saint John. Someone tell AP to change his approach to every word on every song for just one frick'en concert. Don't sing words to every song the way SP did, change wording and stealth for one dam show. Please AP, please, for God's sake, stand up before it's too late.

Arnel is giving the fans what they expect to hear. He's not the bad guy. If he was allowed to change it up like that, it would defeat the purpose of not keeping Soto on board.

I think they call that a cover band.

Kelly Hansen has to do the same thing for Foreigner. It's more about honoring the legacy they created in the eighties. That's all both bands are doing. They're not trying to erase Perry or Gramm or trying to create some new legacy with their music, they're just celebrating the glory days, that's all. And the fans for the most part are content with that so it's a winning situation for everyone.

[JasonD]

What if ****** FANTASY TIME HERE ******** what if they just drop Arnel altogether & they bring in BRUCE "MF" SPRINGSTEEN as their lead singer?

Now that would be (ahem) what's the word I'm looking for? Oh, yeah ---- DREAMY!!!!!

[Jana]

Dam right skippy, you got that right Saint John. Someone tell AP to change his approach to every word on every song for just one frick'en concert. Don't sing words to every song the way SP did, change wording and stealth for one dam show. Please AP, please, for God's sake, stand up before it's too late.

Arnel is giving the fans what they expect to hear. He's not the bad guy. If he was allowed to change it up like that, it would defeat the purpose of not keeping Soto on board.

Arnel doesn't sound exactly like Perry in his approach, and doesn't do some of the things Perry did that Jeremey and others do b/c they sound more like him and emulate him completely, but obviously was hired b/c he had the tenor voice and could give that Journey sound. But how was Soto different except his voice was too low and couldn't hit some of the notes, so changed it. From what I've seen, JSS sang the songs the way they were originally for the most part except didn't have the tenor voice.

[journey361]

I have yes, and having to please and keep the old and new Journey fans, no he does not. SP phrased every word his way with his belief (this will work) on every song ever wrote and sung now ready for print. The way you and i hear it on records. AP has to to keep afloat, he can only do so much because the words to songs were sung by SP. He's singing word phrases, keeping them the same way we heard it on studio and in concert. What can he do, he's between a rock and a hard place. I'm not saying he's a bad singer, he's a very good singer, he has to be for god sake, he's with Journey. What i'm saying is, if every word was changed, you would not no the song or like the song. He did not create it, someone else did.

[Don]

Dam right skippy, you got that right Saint John. Someone tell AP to change his approach to every word on every song for just one frick'en concert. Don't sing words to every song the way SP did, change wording and stealth for one dam show. Please AP, please, for God's sake, stand up before it's too late.

Arnel is giving the fans what they expect to hear. He's not the bad guy. If he was allowed to change it up like that, it would defeat the purpose of not keeping Soto on board.

Arnel doesn't sound exactly like Perry in his approach, and doesn't do some of the things Perry did that Jeremey and others do b/c they sound more like him and emulate him completely. But how was Soto different except his voice was too low and couldn't hit some of the notes, so changed it. From what I've seen, JSS sang the songs the way they were originally for the most part except didn't have the tenor voice.

Soto doesn't sound anything like Perry. If you approach Wal-Mart and say here's the greatest hits, they better sound identical as possible to the originals and that is what Pineda brought them that Soto couldn't.

Every Review last year talked about how Journey had found a guy that sounds like Perry and was channeling his voice. How many reviews talked about the guy having his own voice and not sounding like Perry? Those reviews would definitely be in the minority. And that's all that counts. The majority of People show up at the concerts because it sounds like Steve Perry has come back in the form of a short Asian dude. Tell me this isn't the truth with the 80% or more of concert goers.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that but to think People are going there because Arnel changes it up a little bit just doesn't wash. People want to hear what they heard 25 years ago and Arnel gives them that, at least close enough where they can barely tell the difference.

[Jana]

Dam right skippy, you got that right Saint John. Someone tell AP to change his approach to every word on every song for just one frick'en concert. Don't sing words to every song the way SP did, change wording and stealth for one dam show. Please AP, please, for God's sake, stand up before it's too late.

Arnel is giving the fans what they expect to hear. He's not the bad guy. If he was allowed to change it up like that, it would defeat the purpose of not keeping Soto on board.

Arnel doesn't sound exactly like Perry in his approach, and doesn't do some of the things Perry did that Jeremey and others do b/c they sound more like him and emulate him completely. But how was Soto different except his voice was too low and couldn't hit some of the notes, so changed it. From what I've seen, JSS sang the songs the way they were originally for the most part except didn't have the tenor voice.

Soto doesn't sound anything like Perry. If you approach Wal-Mart and say here's the greatest hits, they better sound identical as possible to the originals and that is what Pineda brought them that Soto couldn't.

Every Review last year talked about how Journey had found a guy that sounds like Perry and was channeling his voice. Howe many reviews talked about the guy having his own voice and not sounding like Perry? Those reviews would definitely be in the minority. And that's all that counts. The majority of People show up at the concerts because it sounds like Steve Perry has come back in the form of a short Asian dude. Tell me this isn't the truth with the 80% or more of concert goers.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that but to think People are going there because Arnel changes it up a little bit just doesn't wash. People want to hear what they heard 25 years ago and Arnel gives them that, at least close enough where they can barely tell the difference.

I'm not disagreeing with you on that. Arnel has the tenor voice that can sound like the originals more so than JSS. But the previous poster said Arnel should change up the wording, change the approach to every word on every song. I'm saying beyond JSS's voice being lower he basically sang the songs the way the originals were, just like Arnel does, except little differences by both on the songs.

[journey361]

Oh, i'd like to add one more thing, I think AP is a hell of a classy guy and really seems to be very grounded and i would bet one of the nicest singers to date. No one deserves to be the frontman more than Arnel. But concerning the voice, i don't love his legacy or past recordings with Journey because all you people do or did. I met him when i was young while running for dinner for my co-workers through or i should say alongside market square arena and he was standing outside as i ran by him. He yelled at me to come over here which i did, not knowing who he was and never gave a dam at the time. Now 30 years later, i do give a dam about him. I think other than MJ, untouchable talents and the tool is a voice. Not a guitar, not a keyboard, not a piano, not a drum, a frick'en voice that is impossible to maintain. In the 70's and through the 80's, he used it with the hardest songbook and it damaged his goods. Now, what, retirement, you got it ace.

[journeyrock]

Dam right skippy, you got that right Saint John. Someone tell AP to change his approach to every word on every song for just one frick'en concert. Don't sing words to every song the way SP did, change wording and stealth for one dam show. Please AP, please, for God's sake, stand up before it's too late.

Arnel is giving the fans what they expect to hear. He's not the bad guy. If he was allowed to change it up like that, it would defeat the purpose of not keeping Soto on board.

I think they call that a cover band.

Kelly Hansen has to do the same thing for Foreigner. It's more about honoring the legacy they created in the eighties. That's all both bands are doing. They're not trying to erase Perry or Gramm or trying to create some new legacy with their music, they're just celebrating the glory days, that's all. And the fans for the most part are content with that so it's a winning situation for everyone.

Fair enough GB, I'll accept that one. I just wish that Arnel would put a little of his own flare into the songs instead of copying Perry.

[youkeepmewaiting]

Dam right skippy, you got that right Saint John. Someone tell AP to change his approach to every word on every song for just one frick'en concert. Don't sing words to every song the way SP did, change wording and stealth for one dam show. Please AP, please, for God's sake, stand up before it's too late.

Arnel is giving the fans what they expect to hear. He's not the bad guy. If he was allowed to change it up like that, it would defeat the purpose of not keeping Soto on board.

I think they call that a cover band.

Kelly Hansen has to do the same thing for Foreigner. It's more about honoring the legacy they created in the eighties. That's all both bands are doing. They're not trying to erase Perry or Gramm or trying to create some new legacy with their music, they're just celebrating the glory days, that's all. And the fans for the most part are content with that so it's a winning situation for everyone.

Fair enough GB, I'll accept that one. I just wish that Arnel would put a little of his own flare into the songs instead of copying Perry.

I'd like that also. Thing is though, if he does that, then people are going to say "pft he is trying to change the song.. well he cant.. it's Perrys song."

[journeyrock]

I have yes, and having to please and keep the old and new Journey fans, no he does not. SP phrased every word his way with his belief (this will work) on every song ever wrote and sung now ready for print. The way you and i hear it on records. AP has to to keep afloat, he can only do so much because the words to songs were sung by SP. He's singing word phrases, keeping them the same way we heard it on studio and in concert. What can he do, he's between a rock and a hard place. I'm not saying he's a bad singer, he's a very good singer, he has to be for god sake, he's with Journey. What i'm saying is, if every word was changed, you would not no the song or like the song. He did not create it, someone else did.

But, think of this......I have numerous bootlegs and Perry never sang a song in concert the same way twice that I've heard. He always changed it up just a bit.

[Saint John]

Dam right skippy, you got that right Saint John. Someone tell AP to change his approach to every word on every song for just one frick'en concert. Don't sing words to every song the way SP did, change wording and stealth for one dam show. Please AP, please, for God's sake, stand up before it's too late.

Arnel is giving the fans what they expect to hear. He's not the bad guy. If he was allowed to change it up like that, it would defeat the purpose of not keeping Soto on board.

Arnel doesn't sound exactly like Perry in his approach, and doesn't do some of the things Perry did that Jeremey and others do b/c they sound more like him and emulate him completely. But how was Soto different except his voice was too low and couldn't hit some of the notes, so changed it. From what I've seen, JSS sang the songs the way they were originally for the most part except didn't have the tenor voice.

Soto doesn't sound anything like Perry. If you approach Wal-Mart and say here's the greatest hits, they better sound identical as possible to the originals and that is what Pineda brought them that Soto couldn't.

Every Review last year talked about how Journey had found a guy that sounds like Perry and was channeling his voice. Howe many reviews talked about the guy having his own voice and not sounding like Perry? Those reviews would definitely be in the minority. And that's all that counts. The majority of People show up at the concerts because it sounds like Steve Perry has come back in the form of a short Asian dude. Tell me this isn't the truth with the 80% or more of concert goers.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that but to think People are going there because Arnel changes it up a little bit just doesn't wash. People want to hear what they heard 25 years ago and Arnel gives them that, at least close enough where they can barely tell the difference.

Good points. But Arnel has also been said to sound like Plant and Jamison if he chooses to channel them. Soto is gone for a few reasons...2 of which are that no one was interested in a guy that couldn't sound remotely like Perry and didn't have the Journey sound for music going forward. Journey's music is centered around a soaring tenor. People forget that the music is created with that type of voice in mind and that's why Arnel was brought on board. But when he sings in his own voice it's quite easy to distinguish him from Steve Perry, yet he still has that booming and powerful tenor to go along with the music that Neal and Jon are the main architects of.

[Don]

Dam right skippy, you got that right Saint John. Someone tell AP to change his approach to every word on every song for just one frick'en concert. Don't sing words to every song the way SP did, change wording and stealth for one dam show. Please AP, please, for God's sake, stand up before it's too late.

Arnel is giving the fans what they expect to hear. He's not the bad guy. If he was allowed to change it up like that, it would defeat the purpose of not keeping Soto on board.

Arnel doesn't sound exactly like Perry in his approach, and doesn't do some of the things Perry did that Jeremey and others do b/c they sound more like him and emulate him completely. But how was Soto different except his voice was too low and couldn't hit some of the notes, so changed it. From what I've seen, JSS sang the songs the way they were originally for the most part except didn't have the tenor voice.

Soto doesn't sound anything like Perry. If you approach Wal-Mart and say here's the greatest hits, they better sound identical as possible to the originals and that is what Pineda brought them that Soto couldn't.

Every Review last year talked about how Journey had found a guy that sounds like Perry and was channeling his voice. Howe many reviews talked about the guy having his own voice and not sounding like Perry? Those reviews would definitely be in the minority. And that's all that counts. The majority of People show up at the concerts because it sounds like Steve Perry has come back in the form of a short Asian dude. Tell me this isn't the truth with the 80% or more of concert goers.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that but to think People are going there because Arnel changes it up a little bit just doesn't wash. People want to hear what they heard 25 years ago and Arnel gives them that, at least close enough where they can barely tell the difference.

I'm not disagreeing with you on that. Arnel has the tenor voice that can sound like the originals more so than JSS. But the previous poster said Arnel should change up the wording, change the approach to every word on every song. I'm saying beyond JSS's voice being lower he basically sang the songs the way the originals were, just like Arnel does, except little differences by both on the songs.

For me, the one song that really showcases Arnel's own voice is TDTWT. It's a crying shame that this song doesn't get played that often during the live shows. Every Journey site has lauded this as one of the favorites from Revelation and yet, it's not in the rotation. I don't understand that.

[Jana]

Dam right skippy, you got that right Saint John. Someone tell AP to change his approach to every word on every song for just one frick'en concert. Don't sing words to every song the way SP did, change wording and stealth for one dam show. Please AP, please, for God's sake, stand up before it's too late.

Arnel is giving the fans what they expect to hear. He's not the bad guy. If he was allowed to change it up like that, it would defeat the purpose of not keeping Soto on board.

Arnel doesn't sound exactly like Perry in his approach, and doesn't do some of the things Perry did that Jeremey and others do b/c they sound more like him and emulate him completely. But how was Soto different except his voice was too low and couldn't hit some of the notes, so changed it. From what I've seen, JSS sang the songs the way they were originally for the most part except didn't have the tenor voice.

Soto doesn't sound anything like Perry. If you approach Wal-Mart and say here's the greatest hits, they better sound identical as possible to the originals and that is what Pineda brought them that Soto couldn't.

Every Review last year talked about how Journey had found a guy that sounds like Perry and was channeling his voice. Howe many reviews talked about the guy having his own voice and not sounding like Perry? Those reviews would definitely be in the minority. And that's all that counts. The majority of People show up at the concerts because it sounds like Steve Perry has come back in the form of a short Asian dude. Tell me this isn't the truth with the 80% or more of concert goers.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that but to think People are going there because Arnel changes it up a little bit just doesn't wash. People want to hear what they heard 25 years ago and Arnel gives them that, at least close enough where they can barely tell the difference.

I'm not disagreeing with you on that. Arnel has the tenor voice that can sound like the originals more so than JSS. But the previous poster said Arnel should change up the wording, change the approach to every word on every song. I'm saying beyond JSS's voice being lower he basically sang the songs the way the originals were, just like Arnel does, except little differences by both on the songs.

For me, the one song that really showcases Arnel's own voice is TDTWT. It's a crying shame that this song doesn't get played that often during the live shows. Every Journey site has lauded this as one of the favorites from Revelation and yet, it's not in the rotation. I don't understand that.

I wish they would put it in. Not only does it showcase his voice but I love the haunting piano melody by Cain. I feel if they would work on it with the backing vocals it would be great. I am realistic enough to know that Like A Sunshower, though I love it and really love Arnel's tone on that song, would be too slow for concert and not have enough punch. TDTWT could be great if they would work the kinks out on their live performance.

[Saint John]

For me, the one song that really showcases Arnel's own voice is TDTWT. It's a crying shame that this song doesn't get played that often during the live shows. Every Journey site has lauded this as one of the favorites from Revelation and yet, it's not in the rotation. I don't understand that.

The silver lining is that, to my knowledge, it hasn't been released yet and they're still touring in support of the album, so I hope they release it this year and play it live.