I'll be alright without you and Girl cant help it?

by **jrnyjunky** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:12 pm

ROR is one of my favorite albums. I guess its the sexiness of Steve's voice that puts it up there. And IBAWY is probably my favorite Journey song, if I had to pick. (Hopefully I will never have to pick just one.) I'm a loon, so personally I'm glad that they are not on the set list. I think Arnel has an great voice, but he is not Steve Perry and those are Perry songs. I know, must of what they sing are Perry songs, and I don't wanna hear him sing those either. He can sing the new stuff till he is blue in the face, I'm good with that. But damn, I don't wanna hear anyone sing the songs that Perry sang with Journey, but Perry.

by **portland** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:19 pm

jrnyjunky wrote:ROR is one of my favorite albums. I guess its the sexiness of Steve's voice that puts it up there. And IBAWY is probably my favorite Journey song, if I had to pick. (Hopefully I will never have to pick just one.) I'm a loon, so personally I'm glad that they are not on the set list. I think Arnel has an great voice, but he is not Steve Perry and those are Perry songs. I know, must of what they sing are Perry songs, and I don't wanna hear him sing those either. He can sing the new stuff till he is blue in the face, I'm good with that. But damn, I don't wanna hear anyone sing the songs that Perry sang with Journey, but Perry.

Yes Loon through and through and I agree with you - ducking and running for cover now!

by **Eric** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:29 pm

chrisj1970 wrote:Why isn't it a good representation of Journey? Please elaborate.

1) Journey is a rock band with some pop songs...not a pop band with some rock songs.

2) It was made mostly without Schon (founder and leader), and he already has to play a song he wasn't a part of of every night - open arms.

3) It sounds too dated. It doesn't stand the test of time as well as most of Journey's catalog.

4) They have to play the big12, they have to play some fan faves, and they have to play some new stuff. Girl Can't Help it fits none of these buckets.....and isn't a band fave either. If you want to argue it is a fan fave..I direct you to a survey AlienC did in 2001 where if I'm remembering correctly wasn't even voted in the top50 of favorite songs fans wanted to hear on the Arrival tour.

by **Since 78** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:22 pm

portland wrote:
jrnyjunky wrote:ROR is one of my favorite albums. I guess its the sexiness of Steve's voice that puts it up there. And IBAWY is probably my favorite Journey song, if I had to pick. (Hopefully I will never have to pick just one.) I'm a loon, so personally I'm glad that they are not on the set list. I think Arnel has an great voice, but he is not Steve Perry and those are Perry songs. I know, must of what they sing are Perry songs, and I don't wanna hear him sing those either. He can sing the new stuff till he is blue in the face, I'm good with that. But damn, I don't wanna hear anyone sing the songs that Perry sang with Journey, but Perry.

Yes Loon through and through and I agree with you - ducking and running for cover now!

Ahh Geez, well, then I guess we should all just tell Journey to call it quits and wait for Perry's new album! Or better yet, the Journey Reunion Tour! The odds are about the same on either. Loons! Good Grief!

by **journey361** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:26 pm

Anybody (loon or non-loon) in their right mind could reason with themselves through and through concerning what Journey should and should not play live or even re record. But let me ask you this, what if the job had not been given to Perry in (1977 or 78 can't remember ) and was therefore given to another singer, someone else landed the gig. Fast forward to 2009 this date, July 22nd and ask yourself this, would we be arguing or would we even be on this site in gereral. Would there even be a Journey worth giving a dam about and could there have been another singer on this planet who poured his heart and soul into the essence of vocal magic. Im saying there is no way. All those great singers that have come and gone and i just for the life of me can't see those songs being bigger or better than what Perry added to that whole idea they (Journey) intended to do. Maybe MJ singing those songs, but i doubt it. AP does not sound like Perry, at all, he sounds like AP. Same goes for SA, and JSS. They don't sound like Perry and im sure their DNA is their own as well.

by **Jubilee** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:36 pm

portland wrote:
jrnyjunky wrote:ROR is one of my favorite albums. I guess its the sexiness of Steve's voice that puts it up there. And IBAWY is probably my favorite Journey song, if I had to pick. (Hopefully I will never have to pick just one.) I'm a loon, so personally I'm glad that they are not on the set list. I think Arnel has an great voice, but he is not Steve Perry and those are Perry songs. I know, must of what they sing are Perry songs, and I don't wanna hear him sing those either. He can sing the new stuff till he is blue in the face, I'm good with that. But damn, I don't wanna hear anyone sing the songs that Perry sang with Journey, but Perry.

Yes Loon through and through and I agree with you - ducking and running for cover now!

+1

I'm riding with my Loon Sistahs, on this one. Love IBAWY, love ROR, love Perry's vocals on ROR, not a fan of Journeys singer-du-jour messing with this one. Neal's work on this track is sugar sweet, but I'm just not feeling it with other vocalist (although JSS did a nice job).

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:04 pm

Jubilee wrote: (although JSS did a nice job).

Odd how often this sentiment is pork-barreled onto loon posts.

Is it because his voice was SO different from the "sacred pipes?"
I mean, let's face it but for the 10-12 loons who tarred and feathered Augeri here for years, the MAJORITY of the concert-going audience detected little differentiation whereas w/ JSS no one mistook him for perry? NOT a knock on Jeff either as I lembraced him and the band and love Soul SirkUs but clearly he looked and sounded different than perry and as-such was a collective sigh of relief breathed?

by **Jubilee** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:21 pm

Red13JoePa wrote:
Jubilee wrote: (although JSS did a nice job).

Odd how often this sentiment is pork-barreled onto loon posts.

Is it because his voice was SO different from the "sacred pipes?"
I mean, let's face it but for the 10-12 loons who tarred and feathered Augeri here for years, the MAJORITY of the concert-going audience detected little differentiation whereas w/ JSS no one mistook him for perry? NOT a knock on Jeff either as I lembraced him and the band and love Soul SirkUs but clearly he looked and sounded different than perry and as-such was a collective sigh of relief breathed?

::SHRUGS::

I dunno what to say to all that. Maybe the problem is that some of the other singers were too close to Perry-like vocals. Close, but not...quite..there. I dunno, maybe there's a little bit of an eeriness/creepiness factor going on there. I'm not here to bang the drum for JSS, but, I guess I thought his vocals on IBAWY were clearly different from Perry, yet his delivery was smokey and soulful enough to convey the melancholy of the song in a believable way...But that's just me, I guess. :wink:

by **Jana** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:36 pm

Red13JoePa wrote:
Jubilee wrote: (although JSS did a nice job).

Odd how often this sentiment is pork-barreled onto loon posts.

Is it because his voice was SO different from the "sacred pipes?"
I mean, let's face it but for the 10-12 loons who tarred and feathered Augeri here for years, the MAJORITY of the concert-going audience detected little differentiation whereas w/ JSS no one mistook him for perry? NOT a knock on Jeff either as I lembraced him and the band and love Soul SirkUs but clearly he looked and sounded different than perry and as-such was a collective sigh of relief breathed?

There's probably all different reasons depending on the fan. Now, re the Perry loons who want nobody else, some find JSS hot probably and, in my opinion, nobody says he sounds like Perry so never a comparison to their Beloved SMFP. But because many reviews carry on about Arnel's fantastic voice the Loons go into an uprising and circle the wagons b/c the reviews aren't carrying on about Perry but instead carrying on about Arnel's tenor voice and how he sounds like Perry in many songs. Even though all reviewers and old fans love Perry, many, except all of us nut cases who frequent this site and obsesss on it all, are busy living their life, remember Perry, but hear Journey is playing on this and last year's tour and love the singer's voice, the sound is close enough to bring back memories and love the band and their muscianship. But the LOONS can't handle all the accolades for Journey without Perry and for Arnel and somehow feel it's a slight, when it's not, so feel the need to make sure we all remember who SMFP is - like we forgot. :lol:

IMHO

by **Vladan** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:41 pm

mrsstyxman wrote:both tracks are instantly forgetable...there to make up the tracks on an album..............but there again tracks that don't register with the majority some may like. Let's for example say Sing for the Day by Styx.....never really given the light of day until a few years back when they re-introduced it to their set list....you wouldn't have that track high on your agenda as far as concert tracks go but it worked. IMHO those Journey tracks are just too crap though...lightweight

Well didn't those two tracks chart higher than most Journey songs? they are much better songs than any other Dirty Dozen they do today, talk about a snooze fest, let's a about talk what they are playing today... boring same old, same old songs. Their catalog is so big, yet they keep playing the same old crap over and over. Nothing Perry was involved with was forgettable. You want to talk forgettable, let's talk Arrival, Generations, Red13... that's forgettable.

by **Rick** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:46 pm

Vladan wrote:
mrsstyxman wrote:both tracks are instantly forgetable...there to make up the tracks on an album..............but there again tracks that don't register with the majority some may like. Let's for example say Sing for the Day by Styx.....never really given the light of day until a few years back when they re-introduced it to their set list....you wouldn't have that track high on your agenda as far as concert tracks go but it worked. IMHO those Journey tracks are just too crap though...lightweight

Well didn't those two tracks chart higher than most Journey songs? they are much better songs than any other Dirty Dozen they do today, talk about a snooz fest, let's a about talk what they are playing today... boring same old, same old songs. Their catalog is so big, yet they keep playing the same old crap over and over. Nothing Perry was involved with was forgettable. You want to talk forgettable, let's talk Arrival, Generations, Red13... that's forgettable.

They have to play the bread and butter. The casual fan expects it. They can't risk losing return concert goers by not giving the people what they want. Of course, us hard core fans want to hear stuff we never hear in concert. But those songs, as great as they are, don't keep the lights on for the band.

by **Vladan** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:48 pm

Rick wrote:
Vladan wrote:
mrsstyxman wrote:both tracks are instantly forgetable...there to make up the tracks on an album..............but there again tracks that don't register with the majority some may like. Let's for example say Sing for the Day by Styx.....never really given the light of day until a few years back when they re-introduced it to their set list....you wouldn't have that track high on your agenda as far as concert tracks go but it worked. IMHO those Journey tracks are just too crap though...lightweight

Well didn't those two tracks chart higher than most Journey songs? they are much better songs than any other Dirty Dozen they do today, talk about a snooz fest, let's a about talk what they are playing today... boring same old, same old songs. Their catalog is so big, yet they keep playing the same old crap over and over. Nothing Perry was involved with was forgettable. You want to talk forgettable, let's talk Arrival, Generations, Red13... that's forgettable.

They have to play the bread and butter. The casual fan expects it. They can't risk losing return concert goers by not giving the people what they want. Of course, us hard core fans want to hear stuff we never hear in concert. But those songs, as great as they are, don't keep the lights on for the band.

Yeah true mate, that's a good point for sure. Though... they have been around for so long, shouldn't they just play what they want? I know I would if I were them. That's pretty desperate of them then, to have to stick to a certain catalog or people won't bother with them... makes you wonder.

by **Don** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:55 pm

It does suck when bands like Aerosmith or Steely Dan can play album sides or even complete albums in concert, yet Journey can't. But then, you just have to look at there biggest selling album and it makes sense. They're trapped by their fan base which is more casual than hardcore like an Iron Maiden or AC-DC fan would be.

by **Deb** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:59 pm

mrsstyxman wrote:both tracks are instantly forgetable...there to make up the tracks on an album..............but there again tracks that don't register with the majority some may like. Let's for example say Sing for the Day by Styx.....never really given the light of day until a few years back when they re-introduced it to their set list....you wouldn't have that track high on your agenda as far as concert tracks go but it worked. IMHO those Journey tracks are just too crap though...lightweight

Look at Styxie coming in here and throwin' down on 2 GREAT Journey songs. Grrrr! :twisted:

by **madsplash** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:56 pm

Deb wrote:
mrsstyxman wrote:both tracks are instantly forgetable...there to make up the tracks on an album..............but there again tracks that don't register with the majority some may like. Let's for example say Sing for the Day by Styx.....never really given the light of day until a few years back when they re-introduced it to their set list....you wouldn't have that track high on your agenda as far as concert tracks go but it worked. IMHO those Journey tracks are just too crap though...lightweight

Look at Styxie coming in here and throwin' down on 2 GREAT Journey songs. Grrrr!

Yea, really. Those 2 Journey songs are like classical masterpieces compared to freakin' "Babe" :roll:

by **portland** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:06 pm

Jana wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
Jubilee wrote: (although JSS did a nice job).

Odd how often this sentiment is pork-barreled onto loon posts.

Is it because his voice was SO different from the "sacred pipes?"
I mean, let's face it but for the 10-12 loons who tarred and feathered Augeri here for years, the MAJORITY of the concert-going audience detected little differentiation whereas w/ JSS no one mistook him for perry? NOT a knock on Jeff either as I lembraced him and the band and love Soul SirkUs but clearly he looked and sounded different than perry and as-such was a collective sigh of relief breathed?

There's probably all different reasons depending on the fan. Now, re the Perry loons who want nobody else, some find JSS hot probably and, in my opinion, nobody says he sounds like Perry so never a comparison to their Beloved SMFP. But because many reviews carry on about Arnel's fantastic voice the Loons go into an uprising and circle the wagons b/c the reviews aren't carrying on about Perry but instead carrying on about Arnel's tenor voice and how he sounds like Perry in many songs. Even though all reviewers and old fans love Perry, many, except all of us nut cases who frequent this site and obsesss on it all, are busy living their life, remember Perry, but hear Journey is playing on this and last year's tour and love the singer's voice, the sound is close enough to bring back memories and love the band and their muscianship. But the LOONS can't handle all the accolades for Journey without Perry and for Arnel and somehow feel it's a slight, when it's not, so feel the need to make sure we all remember who SMFP is - like we forgot. IMHO

Well don't worry Jana if anyone forgets who SMFP is.....I will be here to remind them...hey isn't that on the list somewhere? :wink:

by **Deb** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:43 am

Jana wrote:There's probably all different reasons depending on the fan. Now, re the Perry loons who want nobody else, some find JSS hot probably and, in my opinion, nobody says he sounds like Perry so never a comparison to their Beloved SMFP. But because many reviews carry on about Arnel's fantastic voice the Loons go into an uprising and circle the wagons b/c the reviews aren't carrying on about Perry but instead carrying on about Arnel's tenor voice and how he sounds like Perry in many songs. Even though all reviewers and old fans love Perry, many, except all of us nut cases who frequent this site and obsesss on it all, are busy living their life, remember Perry, but hear Journey is playing on this and last year's tour and love the singer's voice, the sound is close enough to bring back memories and love the band and their muscianship.

Not the case, for me, anyway. I thought JSS was a refreshing change for Journey, a kick in the ass that sparked Journey interest for this fan again......JSS brought a soulful/passionate delivery I hadn't seen since Perry. Kind of like what Sammy brought to Van Halen. But then I like uniqueness in my frontmen and there was absolutely nothing keraoke about a JSS fronted Journey IMO. I like Arnel, great singer and a sweet soul, but there just isn't enough uniqueness or passion there anymore to hold my Journey attention for long.....but that's just me.

I can't knock Journey though, they are responsible for exposing me to two of my all-time favorite vocalists. And heck, if you throw in Herbie Herbert (manager EMB/Mr Big).......actually responsible for exposing me to all 3 in a round-about way. Gotta hand it to HH, knows great singers when he hears them.

And I have no problem at all with Journey out there playing live still, for those that still enjoy it. Even though the passion is gone for me, I still enjoy seeing live clips of Arnel/Journey now and then. There is just something about hearing a favorite like Only The Young LIVE that makes me smile. And Arnel does a great job on it.

Jana wrote: But the LOONS can't handle all the accolades for Journey without Perry and for Arnel and somehow feel it's a slight, when it's not, so feel the need to make sure we all remember who SMFP is - like we forgot. IMHO

This one I'll never understand. I have no problem whatsoever with the accolades Arnel gets. Good on em! I don't see praise for Arnel as a slight on SP or JSS, takes nothing away from their talent in my eyes. I love seeing the same passion for music that I share in other people too. Doesn't have to be for the same music/vocalists.

by **jrny84** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:45 am

Journey needs to totally overhaul their setlist period. Neal has some really bad taste when it comes to what songs should be included and what ones should be omitted. They will include songs like "keep on runnin" and "Escape", but completly omit songs like "Girl Cant Help it" and "Ill Be alright without you". No way that casual fans would know "keep on runnin" or "escape" over the two raised on radio hits. Ill be alright without you is an awesome song, very bluesy wtih a catchy beat, while girl cant help it has some great vocals from perry. Then the band also includes "Chain Reaction", which is just awful in my opinion and "lovin touchin squeezin", which is just ok. What about the songs from trial by fire too?? How about "If he should break your heart", "the grammy nominated "when you love a woman" and the rock hit "Message of love"? I have never heard any of those songs. Heck i would take "Ill be alright without you" over open arms anyday!

It would also be nice to see Journey place for like 2 and 1/2 hours like many headlining acts do, they definetly have enough songs. Their usual hour and a half is not long enough at all.

by **Eric** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:49 am

jrny84 wrote:Journey needs to totally overhaul their setlist period. Neal has some really bad taste when it comes to what songs should be included and what ones should be omitted. They will include songs like "keep on runnin" and "Escape", but completly omit songs like "Girl Cant Help it" and "Ill Be alright without you". No way that casual fans would know "keep on runnin" or "escape" over the two raised on radio hits. Ill be alright without you is an awesome song, very bluesy wtih a catchy beat, while girl cant help it has some great vocals from perry. Then the band also includes "Chain Reaction", which is just awful in my opinion and "lovin touchin squeezin", which is just ok. What about the songs from trial by fire too?? How about "If he should break your heart", "the grammy nominated "when you love a woman" and the rock hit "Message of love"? I have never heard any of those songs. Heck i would take "Ill be alright without you" over open arms anyday!

It would also be nice to see Journey place for like 2 and 1/2 hours like many headlining acts do, they definetly have enough songs. Their usual hour and a half is not long enough at all.

Keep on runnin' is an amazing song live...great energy. Its definitely a hard core fan fave more than Girl Can't Help it....and it better shows off the current Journey lineup. ILBAWY is a great tune..I agree. I'd like to hear that more.

by **Deb** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:53 am

It all comes down to our own favorites in the catalogue. I've always liked the energy of Dead Or Alive and was thrilled to see it brought back for bit with JSS/Journey.

by **jrny84** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:54 am

It would be nice to also hear more of STR, MF, Party's over, SHML, and maybe a tune like anytime also.

by **Since 78** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:57 am

jrny84 wrote:Journey needs to totally overhaul their setlist period. Neal has some really bad taste when it comes to what songs should be included and what ones should be omitted. They will include songs like "keep on runnin" and "Escape", but completly omit songs like "Girl Cant Help it" and "Ill Be alright without you". No way that casual fans would know "keep on runnin" or "escape" over the two raised on radio hits. Ill be alright without you is an awesome song, very bluesy wtih a catchy beat, while girl cant help it has some great vocals from perry. Then the band also includes "Chain Reaction", which is just awful in my opinion and "lovin touchin squeezin", which is just ok. What about the songs from trial by fire too?? How about "If he should break your heart", "the grammy nominated "when you love a woman" and the rock hit "Message of love"? I have never heard any of those songs. Heck i would take "Ill be alright without you" over open arms anyday!

It would also be nice to see Journey place for like 2 and 1/2 hours like many headlining acts do, they definetly have enough songs. Their usual hour and a half is not long enough at all.

They did WYLAW a couple of times last year and Arnel did a great job. I agree about Chain Reaction though, I think they should leave that one alone.

by **Don** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:26 am

Since 78 wrote:
jrny84 wrote:Journey needs to totally overhaul their setlist period. Neal has some really bad taste when it comes to what songs should be included and what ones should be omitted. They will include songs like "keep on runnin" and "Escape", but completly omit songs like "Girl Cant Help it" and "Ill Be alright without you". No way that casual fans would know "keep on runnin" or "escape" over the two raised on radio hits. Ill be alright without you is an awesome song, very bluesy wtih a catchy beat, while girl cant help it has some great vocals from perry. Then the band also includes "Chain Reaction", which is just awful in my opinion and "lovin touchin squeezin", which is just ok. What about the songs from trial by fire too?? How about "If he should break your heart", "the grammy nominated "when you love a woman" and the rock hit "Message of love"? I have never heard any of those songs. Heck i would take "Ill be alright without you" over open arms anyday!

It would also be nice to see Journey place for like 2 and 1/2 hours like many headlining acts do, they definetly have enough songs. Their usual hour and a half is not long enough at all.

They did WYLAW a couple of times last year and Arnel did a great job. I agree about Chain Reaction though, I think they should leave that one alone.

I think WYLAW is another victim of the lower key thing they are doing right now. I think some songs just aren't going to make the grade when you step down. Even if the vocals can pass muster, the instruments might lose that dynamic that some songs require.

by **Jana** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:27 am

Since 78 wrote:
jrny84 wrote:Journey needs to totally overhaul their setlist period. Neal has some really bad taste when it comes to what songs should be included and what ones should be omitted. They will include songs like "keep on runnin" and "Escape", but completly omit songs like "Girl Cant Help it" and "Ill Be alright without you". No way that casual fans would know "keep on runnin" or "escape" over the two raised on radio hits. Ill be alright without you is an awesome song, very bluesy wtih a catchy beat, while girl cant help it has some great vocals from perry. Then the band also includes "Chain Reaction", which is just awful in my opinion and "lovin touchin squeezin", which is just ok. What about the songs from trial by fire too?? How about "If he should break your heart", "the grammy nominated "when you love a woman" and the rock hit "Message of love"? I have never heard any of those songs. Heck i would take "Ill be alright without you" over open arms anyday!

It would also be nice to see Journey place for like 2 and 1/2 hours like many headlining acts do, they definetly have enough songs. Their usual hour and a half is not long enough at all.

They did WYLAW a couple of times last year and Arnel did a great job. I agree about Chain Reaction though, I think they should leave that one alone.

WYLAW needs to come back in this year. I want to hear it. Arnel really sings it beautifully and the audience really connects. Has great melody to the song. IBWY, would love to see that song in the set list. GCHI would be nice, but there's other ones I would rather hear. Get rid of some songs like LTS and SIL and a few others and add in some songs rarely heard that are still well known. I don't know why they don't do it. That way they can still have a lot of their mainstays still in there.

by **Since 78** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:55 am

Gunbot wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
jrny84 wrote:Journey needs to totally overhaul their setlist period. Neal has some really bad taste when it comes to what songs should be included and what ones should be omitted. They will include songs like "keep on runnin" and "Escape", but completly omit songs like "Girl Cant Help it" and "Ill Be alright without you". No way that casual fans would know "keep on runnin" or "escape" over the two raised on radio hits. Ill be alright without you is an awesome song, very bluesy wtih a catchy beat, while girl cant help it has some great vocals from perry. Then the band also includes "Chain Reaction", which is just awful in my opinion and "lovin touchin squeezin", which is just ok. What about the songs from trial by fire too?? How about "If he should break your heart", "the grammy nominated "when you love a woman" and the rock hit "Message of love"? I have never heard any of those songs. Heck i would take "Ill be alright without you" over open arms anyday!

It would also be nice to see Journey place for like 2 and 1/2 hours like many headlining acts do, they definetly have enough songs. Their usual hour and a half is not long enough at all.

They did WYLAW a couple of times last year and Arnel did a great job. I agree about Chain Reaction though, I think they should leave that one alone.

I think WYLAW is another victim of the lower key thing they are doing right now. I think some songs just aren't going to make the grade when you step down. Even if the vocals can pass muster, the instruments might lose that dynamic that some songs require.

True, and I think the ones that suffer the most are the Revelation songs as you've said before.

Website · by **FishinMagician** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:23 am

Gunbot wrote:It does suck when bands like Aerosmith or Steely Dan can play album sides or even complete albums in concert, yet Journey can't. But then, you just have to look at there biggest selling album and it makes sense. They're trapped by their fan base which is more casual than hardcore like an Iron Maiden or AC-DC fan would be.

thats what they get for being a pop band haha. "popular"

by **jrnyjunky** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:14 pm

First off, I'm not trying to take anything away from Augeri, JSS, or Arnel. All three of these men have amazing voices. Its like a couple being married for 30 years and then the wife leaves and the hubby gets wife #2, and #3 and #4. These other wives are just not the first wife. They live in the same house as wife #1, but they are all different and do things their own way. They may be great wives, but not the same.

That said, I'm not a huge Steven Tyler fan, (he creeps me out a little) but I don't wanna hear anyone else sing Aerosmith songs but Tyler. Its not just Perry and Journey.

by **Eric** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:04 pm

jrnyjunky wrote:Its like a couple being married for 30 years and then the wife leaves and the hubby gets wife #2, and #3 and #4. These other wives are just not the first wife. They live in the same house as wife #1, but they are all different and do things their own way. They may be great wives, but not the same.

HOOOH......Hubby doesn't get the house!

by **Gordon from Edinburgh** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:19 am

Eric wrote:
chrisj1970 wrote:Why isn't it a good representation of Journey? Please elaborate.

1) Journey is a rock band with some pop songs...not a pop band with some rock songs.

2) It was made mostly without Schon (founder and leader), and he already has to play a song he wasn't a part of of every night - open arms.

3) It sounds too dated. It doesn't stand the test of time as well as most of Journey's catalog.

4) They have to play the big12, they have to play some fan faves, and they have to play some new stuff. Girl Can't Help it fits none of these buckets.....and isn't a band fave either. If you want to argue it is a fan fave..I direct you to a survey AlienC did in 2001 where if I'm remembering correctly wasn't even voted in the top50 of favorite songs fans wanted to hear on the Arrival tour.

Schon wrote something like 9 out of 13 songs and said he loved the material - just not the end product.
It may be poppy - but it was rocked up nicely in concert.

oh, and it was Journey's greatest album. - and tour - from what you lucky folks stateside have said...

by **RaisedOnRadio92** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:34 am

'Girl Can't Help It' and 'I'll Be Alright Without You' were PERFECT for the ROR tour, but that's about it. They fit in well with Steve Augeri because he has that kinda 'groove' to him. But now, with Arnel..heh, throw those songs out the window. Journey is digging up every single hard rock song they have in their archives because that's what Arnel does best. Journey is playing very hard right now. Songs off of ROR, with the exception of 'Be Good To Yourself' do NOT belong in their setlist right now.

Although, 'Suzanne' is my favorite song, I wish that one was played live. But it would stick out like a sore thumb. A pop song that wasn't a hit when it was released 23 years ago.

MR

I'll be alright without you and Girl cant help it?

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