President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

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Postby Lula » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:27 am

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Taking over the banking and financial industries, as well as the auto industry was not enough for Dear Leader, tonight he made his power play for another 20% of the Gross National Product. Tonight Obama sunk to an all time low, but possibly an all time high for the number of lies told by a President not named Clinton. B. Hussein Obama stated, “I'm not attacking Republicans" about two minutes after attacking Republicans. Dear Leader also seemed incoherent, and rambled numerous times, reminiscent of Carters “Malaise” speech. Tonight the lies came fast and furious. But, four stood out above all the rest.

When asked, "Do you think -- do you accept the premise that other than some tax increases on the wealthiest Americans, the American people are going to have to give anything up in order for this to happen?" the evil one replied, "They're going to have to give up paying for things that don't make them healthier. And I -- speaking as an American, I think that's the kind of change you want." He is asking us to give up things like hot dogs, cheeseburgers, beer and cigarettes, but probably not date night in New York or Statue of Liberty flyovers in Air Force One.

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showed his lack of understanding when it comes to basic economics. Tonight he stated, "Having a public plan out there that also shows that maybe if you take some of the profit motive out, maybe if you are reducing some of the administrative costs, that you can get an even better deal, that's going to incentivize the private sector to do even better." So, if you take the profit out of the equation, and cut staffing, cutting administrative costs and increasing unemployment, which increases the number of people without healthcare, private industry somehow performs better? I may not be the sharpest guy around, but lets face it, either Obama is a liar or an idiot. Pick one.

"Skip Gates is a friend, so I may be a little biased here. I don't know all the facts. ..."Now, I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly."
Once again Dear Leader demonstrated his racism and disdain for law enforcement by saying this, About law enforcement officers at the local level. He called the arresting officer(s) racist and stupid. Good going Dear Leader, not only did you smear law enforcement personnel, you tainted the potential jury pool, should this go to court. Get the transcript here.

During one of his rambling, incoherent moments, Obama managed to publicly impugn the integrity of all doctors in America. Dear Leader stated, "Right now, doctors a lot of times are forced to make decisions based on the fee payment schedule that's out there. So if they're looking and you come in and you've got a bad sore throat or your child has a bad sore throat or has repeated sore throats, the doctor may look at the reimbursement system and say to himself, "You know what? I make a lot more money if I take this kid's tonsils out.". The implication here is clear, doctors are greedy and unless the government makes these choices, you the simpleton and your greedy doctor will do things you shouldn’t do, like eliminate your child’s persistent sore throat, so that they are no longer in pain and you don’t have to keep bringing them to the doctors office. The arrogance and smugness of the Narcissist in Chief shined tonight like a pimple on prom night.

Each and everyone of you needs to step to the plate on this. This is no longer about healthcare or government spending, it is about your life and liberty. Are you going to let the government decide when your grandparents or children die? Are you going to give up your essential liberties to a man who believes he, the eugenicists and the bourgeois know what is best for us proletariats?


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Postby treetopovskaya » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:27 am

swataz wrote:Contrary to popular belief in Washington, and especially at the top, there IS intelligent life in America. And once they wade through the bullshit and propoganda they are inundated with and get the facts delivered to them, they are able to come to sound conclusions.

And here we have a perfect excample.

Like you said and like I said, he likes to ram legislation through out system like a pneumatic tube. Like the TARP. By the way, speaking of which, with these banks now making billions in profits, when do they start PAYING the money BACK TO US?


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Postby Carrington » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:43 am

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Warning: Slippery ahead: Barack Obama is losing the country

The Augusta Chronicle

July 23, 2009 The Editors

Barack Obama is losing the country.

His approval ratings and the trust Americans have placed in him have been in a free-fall for days. His 55 percent approval rating is lower than George W. Bush's after the first six months of his presidency, "putting (Obama) 10th among the dozen presidents who have served since World War II at this point in their tenures," according to USA Today .

Our Democratic friends might reflexively want to blame Republicans, but there are two problems with that tack: For one thing, Republicans don't have the votes to stop Obama and the Democratic Party from doing whatever they want; for another thing, according to USA Today , Obama's popularity is slipping the most among -- you guessed it -- Democrats.

It's become apparent to close observers that Obama has over-reached and overestimated his mandate.

That he has over-reached is evident in the mass defection of moderate and conservative support for him, both among the public and in Congress.

That he overestimates his mandate is clear enough from the numbers: Though he only won election by a few percentage points, he has an enormous numerical advantage in Congress, yet his agenda's two pillars -- health care and cap and trade -- appear to be foundering on the rocks.

Consider, too, that Census figures now reveal that the percentage of eligible voters who went to the polls last November was actually down slightly from 2004.

"The reason: Older whites with little interest in backing either Mr. Obama or John McCain stayed home," says the Associated Press.

In other words, it's quite likely McCain lost more than Obama won.


Yet, Obama carries on as if 90 percent of the electorate voted for him. In truth, he is less popular than Jimmy Carter. And we all know how that turned out.







This says it all right here.......GREAT piece!, thanks for the post F.F.
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Postby Eric » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:44 am

Oh Geez...look at this!? The other side about the Gates arrest: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... ates1.html

Obama shouldn't have called the Police stupid.
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Postby Lula » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:46 am

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Eric wrote:Had W locked down airports and attacked the Taliban in Afganistan 6 months into office because of a vague memo about the potential of planes being used to attack us....this country would have demanded impeachment, including me by the way. 9-11 could not have been envisioned in my opinion. I do wish Clinton and W had taken Al Queda's continuing attacks on our interests more seriously, but when W finally did people didn't like that either.

I think W and gang deserve their share of blame.....but its Obama's economy now, and things aint better, they are worse....far worse.


i'm pretty sure there was a little more than a vague memo on the looming threat of planes as weapons. i also don't think things are far worse, but rather stagnant which also means not nose diving into oblivion.


What was there then....and why didn't two different administrations act more swiftly?

Unemployment is up 20% (8% to 10%). Things are far worse.


we all know unemployment is the last to recover, last to show signs of stabilization. as far as the memos leading up to 9/11... we know the bush administration had been warned, briefed, etc... the tragedy happened on his watch, it is his. the whole we've been safe ever since amounts to rubbish.

as far as answering your questions on heath care, i can't. i don't have the answers, if i did i'd let it be known.
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Postby Eric » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:52 am

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Eric wrote:
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Eric wrote:Had W locked down airports and attacked the Taliban in Afganistan 6 months into office because of a vague memo about the potential of planes being used to attack us....this country would have demanded impeachment, including me by the way. 9-11 could not have been envisioned in my opinion. I do wish Clinton and W had taken Al Queda's continuing attacks on our interests more seriously, but when W finally did people didn't like that either.

I think W and gang deserve their share of blame.....but its Obama's economy now, and things aint better, they are worse....far worse.


i'm pretty sure there was a little more than a vague memo on the looming threat of planes as weapons. i also don't think things are far worse, but rather stagnant which also means not nose diving into oblivion.


What was there then....and why didn't two different administrations act more swiftly?

Unemployment is up 20% (8% to 10%). Things are far worse.


we all know unemployment is the last to recover, last to show signs of stabilization. as far as the memos leading up to 9/11... we know the bush administration had been warned, briefed, etc... the tragedy happened on his watch, it is his. the whole we've been safe ever since amounts to rubbish.

as far as answering your questions on heath care, i can't. i don't have the answers, if i did i'd let it be known.



Then the economy is all Obama's with that logic.

You best get some answers before you blindly support his plan. He's hoping for ignorance...don't be fooled.
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Postby Lula » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:00 am

Eric wrote:Then the economy is all Obama's with that logic.

You best get some answers before you blindly support his plan. He's hoping for ignorance...don't be fooled.


not exactly eric. the economy was in the tank while bush was in office. the first stimulus occurred under bush, given without oversight i might add.

don't insult me. i am not blindly supporting obama's plan. i'm stating that i do not have the answers to overhaul our system. i voted for obama and expect him to get this done. is it perfect? no, but it is time and needs to happen. as with most plans, adjustments can be made as issues surface. enough of government sitting on their hands, the people want and need this.
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Postby Eric » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:09 am

Eric wrote:Then the economy is all Obama's with that logic.


Lula wrote:not exactly eric. the economy was in the tank while bush was in office. the first stimulus occurred under bush, given without oversight i might add.


Well....and Al Quaeda attacked us 5 times from '93 to '00, so he left the US to Bush vulnerable....just like the Economy was vulnerable for Obama.

Listen, the stimulus' didn't work for Bush and haven't for Obama. So lets stop them. Also, W had to step in and quickly to save the banks...we're African Deserts without lending.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:42 am

Eric wrote:What was there then....


This has been documented ad nauseum.
You are a one dimensional partisan cartoon character.

Eric wrote:Unemployment is up 20% (8% to 10%). Things are far worse.


For all you know, without the stimulus things would be even worse still.
As I asked you above, and you dodged, what is your alternative?
We know from history that even when the gov't doesn't intervene, unemployment in economic downturns still soars.
If people can feed their kids and simultaneously build up the nation's infrastructure, that is a good thing.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:45 am

Eric wrote:Oh Geez...look at this!? The other side about the Gates arrest: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... ates1.html

Obama shouldn't have called the Police stupid.


What in this article was not reported in the news?
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:50 am

swataz wrote:Like you said and like I said, he likes to ram legislation through out system like a pneumatic tube. Like the TARP.


That was Bush.
There's nothing unusual about what Obama is doing, a Presiden'ts first one hundred days is always viewed as the window for getting things done, and for setting the tone for the rest of the term.
Maybe he should go clear some brush, huh?
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Postby Eric » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:51 am

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For all you know, without the stimulus things would be even worse still.
As I asked you above, and you dodged, what is your alternative?
We know from history that even when the gov't doesn't intervene, unemployment in economic downturns still soars.
If people can feed their kids and simultaneously build up the nation's infrastructure, that is a good thing.


So lame. What a cop-out. "Well, its bad but it would have been worse..I can't prove that but trust me" HOOOOOH

My alternative would have not included partisan games and ridiculous and unnecessary intervention.
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Postby Eric » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:57 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Eric wrote:Oh Geez...look at this!? The other side about the Gates arrest: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... ates1.html

Obama shouldn't have called the Police stupid.


What in this article was not reported in the news?


Its the other side that our President didn't know about or failed to mention so he could go to the race card. The police officer merely asked to see ID, which was reasonable considering a neighbor said she saw someone break in. Gates refused...got loud...got arrested...details got sorted out at the station (like they couldn't because Gates refused at home) and charges were dropped. For that, this Police officer gets called stupid by his President. Disgusting. He should have said "I wasn't there, I can't comment". What he did was immature, reckless and pointless. Her owes the officer an apology.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:57 am

Eric wrote:So lame. What a cop-out. "Well, its bad but it would have been worse..I can't prove that but trust me" HOOOOOH

Not lame at all.
In fact, it's not that far removed from the claims that Bush kept us safe.
You can't prove or disprove a negative.

Eric wrote:My alternative would have not included partisan games and ridiculous and unnecessary intervention.


I'll ask you a third time, what are you suggesting?
The government going into the toilet didn't coincide with the election of President Obama.
Look at all the banking panics pre-dating the creation of the Fed.
You don't think unemployment soared back then without government meddling?
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Eric wrote:Its the other side that our President didn't know about or failed to mention so he could go to the race card. The police officer merely asked to see ID, which was reasonable considering a neighbor said she saw someone break in. Gates refused...got loud...got arrested...details got sorted out at the station (like they couldn't because Gates refused at home) and charges were dropped. For that, this Police officer gets called stupid by his President. Disgusting. He should have said "I wasn't there, I can't comment". What he did was immature, reckless and pointless. Her owes the officer an apology.


Obama was also wrong about other details such as the professor forgetting his keys.
He was asked a question at the press conference and gave his thoughts.
So what?
I don't think anyone disagrees that the police officer was out of line.
Is there no issue, no matter how trivial, you desperate Republican fools won't try to make political hay of?
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:06 am

donnaplease wrote:Ya know what, TNC... I lost my mother 10 years ago because the doctor she trusted didn't want to do a test on her because it wasn't "cost-effective", and he knew what the problem was, she was 70 and smoked. All the while he had mis-diagnosed her, and had he done the test I requested she would've been diagnosed correctly the FIRST time, not the third time she was hospitalized. Of course, by that time the fucking tumor in her brain had doubled in size 3X, essentially killing half her brain, paralyzing her and limiting her cognitive functioning by quite a bit. She died about 9 days after the actual CORRECT diagnosis was confirmed, using the test that I had originally requested.

I'm sorry to hear that.
I don't think anyone disagrees that middle-managers shouldn't get in the way of life and death; be it an HMO bureaucrat, government bureaucrat, or a doctor in private practice.

donnaplease wrote:Does rationing and cost-containment happen now? Of course it does. But I am very concerned for what the future holds for those that I love when I read things like I did on that website, which mentions how Britain determines a person's quality of life based on their own standards, and determines how much money they are willing to spend to treat that patient.

Once again, if they don’t like it, Brits can go to a private hospital and get the best healthcare money can buy – kinda like over here.
So where's the problem?
donnaplease wrote:Who the hell is the government to say that your quality of life makes you more deserving of care than mine? That's bullshit!

And just who the hell is an insurance company bean counter to decide that my policy should be cancelled, or I need a referral to see a specialist, or which life saving drug I can or cannot take?
donnaplease wrote: If you think this stuff won't happen, you're either totally crazy or just unwilling to face reality. Now I know you're not crazy, in fact despite my total disagreement with nearly everything political that you say, I know you're a very intelligent man.

I think there’s an inherent condescension in this comment.
Do you think the rest of the world is stupid?
France has a protest every five minutes.
If the system sucked as bad as you say it does, there’d be riots in the streets.
Once again, Switzerland switched from a private model to a public model – why haven’t they switched back?
So far not a single one of our Journey loving foreign MR members has said they’d give up their system. NOT ONE.
By no means an empirical scientific sample, but I’ll take Andrew’s word over Sean Hannity’s any day.
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Postby Eric » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:47 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote: I'll ask you a third time, what are you suggesting?
The government going into the toilet didn't coincide with the election of President Obama.
Look at all the banking panics pre-dating the creation of the Fed.
You don't think unemployment soared back then without government meddling?


I put my plans on here all the time, and you usually ridicule them and then later tell me I have no ideas.

This one didn't get published when I submitted it, so I don't have it anymore...but I wrote something last Septemberish and then again at the end of year....here were a few of my ideas:

1) Cut the corporate tax to 15%

2) Cut the prime rate to 0%

3) Offer tax deductions for any new car, new house, new PC's, etc. purchase. (I don't like the 8k Obama is giving away, but its effort at least..a deduction is better though)

4) Don't bailout the car companies (and I certainly wouldn't have closed the Chrysler dealerships)

5) Drill anywhere and everywhere and announce it loudly.....then push through clean coal energy. Then for 2 weeks rely on our reserves. This would decrease gas prices and create gigs too.

6) Mandate a temporary 10% pay cut for any Government employee. Ask executives to consider this for themselves as well. (Yeah, silly I know..but you never know)

7) Give people behind on their mortgage a 0% loan of $20k to be paid back over 15 years. If they didn't pay it back Gov't takes title of house. (I like Obama's recent plan better I'll admit of the Government buying and renting the house back to the folks)

8) Allow folks to take money out of their retirements in 2009 with no penalty or Federal tax (This would have helped me)

9) Cut the NASA budget 25% for 2009

10) Speak positively about the economy every chance I get and direct my admin to do the same. No blame...no idealistic personal credit...just speak positively.

11) 0% 15 year student loans to anyone laid off looking to get re-trained/re-educated.

12) Offer $50k starting jobs to join Military, with 50% of hirees trained to go to the border.

13) End all benefits for illegals

14) Hire a local construction company in each city across the country to work on an infastructure project voted to be the most important by each city's residents

15) Eliminate property taxes being used to pay for school taxes (where applicable) and instead enact a resident school tax paid for by every adult 18+. Homeowners shoulder an unfair amount of burden in some communities.

16) See my insurance 8pt plan previously posted

17) Legalize pot and put a 50% Federal sales tax on it. A license to sell it would be $100K, or 50% of the profit to the gov't for each sale.

18) Legalize prostitution.....see above for similar taxes, etc.

19) Explain to everyone that our GDP needs consumer spending to be positive....so if you have a job keep spending as normal.

20) Eliminate any and all Green funding by the Federal Government.

21) Use Social Security money....end it (see my previous post on Social Security)..allow us to start investing as we see fit. I'd be willing to negotiate on this.

22) I don't remember specifically, but I wanted to find alternatives to treasuries.

23) Look for Corporations to help to pay off our debt to China. Offer them attractive investment opportunities, all the while looking patriotic. While only part of the International debt, which is only part of the total debt...it would be reassuring not to owe China what we do. Make our exports even more attractive to them too.

24) Butt out of private corporation bonuses.

25) Begin an aggressive campaign to promote foreign companies to select US sites to do business in. Offer tax breaks, etc. Do the same for US companies to stay
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Postby Eric » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:48 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Eric wrote:Its the other side that our President didn't know about or failed to mention so he could go to the race card. The police officer merely asked to see ID, which was reasonable considering a neighbor said she saw someone break in. Gates refused...got loud...got arrested...details got sorted out at the station (like they couldn't because Gates refused at home) and charges were dropped. For that, this Police officer gets called stupid by his President. Disgusting. He should have said "I wasn't there, I can't comment". What he did was immature, reckless and pointless. Her owes the officer an apology.


Obama was also wrong about other details such as the professor forgetting his keys.
He was asked a question at the press conference and gave his thoughts.
So what?
I don't think anyone disagrees that the police officer was out of line.
Is there no issue, no matter how trivial, you desperate Republican fools won't try to make political hay of?


How was the officer out of line???? He asked to see ID, Gates refused.....since a call was made from a neighbor he had reason to ask this. Gates then berated the officer.
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Postby Eric » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:51 am

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donnaplease wrote:Who the hell is the government to say that your quality of life makes you more deserving of care than mine? That's bullshit!

And just who the hell is an insurance company bean counter to decide that my policy should be cancelled, or I need a referral to see a specialist, or which life saving drug I can or cannot take?


Don't you see that ideally we want neither insurance companies nor Government making medical decisions for us!!?? We need private enterprise to step up and offer an emergency only plan...and let us pay for the rest out of pocket. Without ridiculous premiums this would be easy.
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Postby swataz » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:51 am

Eric wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Eric wrote:Its the other side that our President didn't know about or failed to mention so he could go to the race card. The police officer merely asked to see ID, which was reasonable considering a neighbor said she saw someone break in. Gates refused...got loud...got arrested...details got sorted out at the station (like they couldn't because Gates refused at home) and charges were dropped. For that, this Police officer gets called stupid by his President. Disgusting. He should have said "I wasn't there, I can't comment". What he did was immature, reckless and pointless. Her owes the officer an apology.


Obama was also wrong about other details such as the professor forgetting his keys.
He was asked a question at the press conference and gave his thoughts.
So what?
I don't think anyone disagrees that the police officer was out of line.
Is there no issue, no matter how trivial, you desperate Republican fools won't try to make political hay of?


How was the officer out of line???? He asked to see ID, Gates refused.....since a call was made from a neighbor he had reason to ask this. Gates then berated the officer.


The way I interpret the events based on what I have heard, is that this whole thing doesn't happen if GATES JUST SHOWS HIS ID.

Instead he ARROGANTLY refuses, gets belligerent, and then makes it a racial issue.

All I know is, if one of my neighbors saw me breaking into my house and didn't recognize me becasue it was dark out or whatever other reason and I refused to show my ID when asked, I would 100% expect to get arrested.

In no way, shape or form should Obama have opened his mouth on this issue. That just shows his inexperience, frankly.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:18 am

Eric wrote:How was the officer out of line???? He asked to see ID, Gates refused.....since a call was made from a neighbor he had reason to ask this. Gates then berated the officer.


Yea, if you go strictly by the police report.
Ever been arrested Eric?
Think all police officers are salt of the earth, do yah?

Given the Republicans blatant disregard for the Fourth Amendment over the past 8 years, your suport for the arrest of an elderly man in his own home does NOT surprise me.
After being given the ID, the cop should've left.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:20 am

swataz wrote:All I know is, if one of my neighbors saw me breaking into my house and didn't recognize me becasue it was dark out or whatever other reason and I refused to show my ID when asked, I would 100% expect to get arrested.

Get racially profiled alot do yah?

swataz wrote:In no way, shape or form should Obama have opened his mouth on this issue. That just shows his inexperience, frankly.

Of course, when Bush encourages bomb-wearing insurgents targeting our soldiers to "bring it on", well, that is just him being folksy. :roll:
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Postby G.I.Jim » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:22 am

swataz wrote:
Eric wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Eric wrote:Its the other side that our President didn't know about or failed to mention so he could go to the race card. The police officer merely asked to see ID, which was reasonable considering a neighbor said she saw someone break in. Gates refused...got loud...got arrested...details got sorted out at the station (like they couldn't because Gates refused at home) and charges were dropped. For that, this Police officer gets called stupid by his President. Disgusting. He should have said "I wasn't there, I can't comment". What he did was immature, reckless and pointless. Her owes the officer an apology.


Obama was also wrong about other details such as the professor forgetting his keys.
He was asked a question at the press conference and gave his thoughts.
So what?
I don't think anyone disagrees that the police officer was out of line.
Is there no issue, no matter how trivial, you desperate Republican fools won't try to make political hay of?


How was the officer out of line???? He asked to see ID, Gates refused.....since a call was made from a neighbor he had reason to ask this. Gates then berated the officer.


The way I interpret the events based on what I have heard, is that this whole thing doesn't happen if GATES JUST SHOWS HIS ID.

Instead he ARROGANTLY refuses, gets belligerent, and then makes it a racial issue.

All I know is, if one of my neighbors saw me breaking into my house and didn't recognize me becasue it was dark out or whatever other reason and I refused to show my ID when asked, I would 100% expect to get arrested.

In no way, shape or form should Obama have opened his mouth on this issue. That just shows his inexperience, frankly.


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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:23 am

Eric wrote:I put my plans on here all the time, and you usually ridicule them and then later tell me I have no ideas.

This one didn't get published when I submitted it, so I don't have it anymore...but I wrote something last Septemberish and then again at the end of year....here were a few of my ideas:

1) Cut the corporate tax to 15%

2) Cut the prime rate to 0%

3) Offer tax deductions for any new car, new house, new PC's, etc. purchase. (I don't like the 8k Obama is giving away, but its effort at least..a deduction is better though)

4) Don't bailout the car companies (and I certainly wouldn't have closed the Chrysler dealerships)

5) Drill anywhere and everywhere and announce it loudly.....then push through clean coal energy. Then for 2 weeks rely on our reserves. This would decrease gas prices and create gigs too.

6) Mandate a temporary 10% pay cut for any Government employee. Ask executives to consider this for themselves as well. (Yeah, silly I know..but you never know)

7) Give people behind on their mortgage a 0% loan of $20k to be paid back over 15 years. If they didn't pay it back Gov't takes title of house. (I like Obama's recent plan better I'll admit of the Government buying and renting the house back to the folks)

8) Allow folks to take money out of their retirements in 2009 with no penalty or Federal tax (This would have helped me)

9) Cut the NASA budget 25% for 2009

10) Speak positively about the economy every chance I get and direct my admin to do the same. No blame...no idealistic personal credit...just speak positively.

11) 0% 15 year student loans to anyone laid off looking to get re-trained/re-educated.

12) Offer $50k starting jobs to join Military, with 50% of hirees trained to go to the border.

13) End all benefits for illegals

14) Hire a local construction company in each city across the country to work on an infastructure project voted to be the most important by each city's residents

15) Eliminate property taxes being used to pay for school taxes (where applicable) and instead enact a resident school tax paid for by every adult 18+. Homeowners shoulder an unfair amount of burden in some communities.

16) See my insurance 8pt plan previously posted

17) Legalize pot and put a 50% Federal sales tax on it. A license to sell it would be $100K, or 50% of the profit to the gov't for each sale.

18) Legalize prostitution.....see above for similar taxes, etc.

19) Explain to everyone that our GDP needs consumer spending to be positive....so if you have a job keep spending as normal.

20) Eliminate any and all Green funding by the Federal Government.

21) Use Social Security money....end it (see my previous post on Social Security)..allow us to start investing as we see fit. I'd be willing to negotiate on this.

22) I don't remember specifically, but I wanted to find alternatives to treasuries.

23) Look for Corporations to help to pay off our debt to China. Offer them attractive investment opportunities, all the while looking patriotic. While only part of the International debt, which is only part of the total debt...it would be reassuring not to owe China what we do. Make our exports even more attractive to them too.

24) Butt out of private corporation bonuses.

25) Begin an aggressive campaign to promote foreign companies to select US sites to do business in. Offer tax breaks, etc. Do the same for US companies to stay


Thanks for your platform, candidate Eric, but I asked specifically for your alternative in dealing with the recession.
You keep mentioning the casualty between government intervention and rising unemployment, yet economic crashes have always been accompanied by rising unemployment - even back in the 1800s, before the corporate income tax existed!
If you think we should just hide below decks and eat canned goods, come out and say so.
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Postby Eric » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:00 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Eric wrote:How was the officer out of line???? He asked to see ID, Gates refused.....since a call was made from a neighbor he had reason to ask this. Gates then berated the officer.


Yea, if you go strictly by the police report.
Ever been arrested Eric?
Think all police officers are salt of the earth, do yah?

Given the Republicans blatant disregard for the Fourth Amendment over the past 8 years, your suport for the arrest of an elderly man in his own home does NOT surprise me.
After being given the ID, the cop should've left.


1) There were witnesses agreeing with the detailed police report, including the person reporting the potential break-in.
2) No, I respect officers enough to show an ID when asked
3) Do you think they are all racists? Good Christ. You have proved to be an asshole here.
4) This is a Republican thing now!? WOW!?
5) Elderly? He was 58. And he refused to show ID and he harassed the officer.
6) Office Crowley did try to leave, Gates berated the officer, was warned to stop and didn't. Other officers there were shocked by Gates behavior.
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Postby Eric » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:01 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
swataz wrote:All I know is, if one of my neighbors saw me breaking into my house and didn't recognize me becasue it was dark out or whatever other reason and I refused to show my ID when asked, I would 100% expect to get arrested.

Get racially profiled alot do yah?

swataz wrote:In no way, shape or form should Obama have opened his mouth on this issue. That just shows his inexperience, frankly.

Of course, when Bush encourages bomb-wearing insurgents targeting our soldiers to "bring it on", well, that is just him being folksy. :roll:


A guilty liberal with no perspective going to the race card. Go eff yourself.

I don't know anyone who didn't criticize Bush for that.
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Postby Eric » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:06 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Thanks for your platform, candidate Eric, but I asked specifically for your alternative in dealing with the recession.
You keep mentioning the casualty between government intervention and rising unemployment, yet economic crashes have always been accompanied by rising unemployment - even back in the 1800s, before the corporate income tax existed!
If you think we should just hide below decks and eat canned goods, come out and say so.


UNBELIEVABLE. I laid out plenty of economic ideas...but since it didn't involve giving money to social programs a liberal like you cannot see them for its. Cutting tax rates stimulate economic growth...mensa. You know what - it is YOU - who has no ideas. You blow Obama's ideas and criticize anyone who isn't a card carrying liberal. I don't even know where you get that we should hide? My ideas represent an aggressive positive approach.
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Postby swataz » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:20 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
swataz wrote:All I know is, if one of my neighbors saw me breaking into my house and didn't recognize me becasue it was dark out or whatever other reason and I refused to show my ID when asked, I would 100% expect to get arrested.

Get racially profiled alot do yah?

swataz wrote:In no way, shape or form should Obama have opened his mouth on this issue. That just shows his inexperience, frankly.

Of course, when Bush encourages bomb-wearing insurgents targeting our soldiers to "bring it on", well, that is just him being folksy. :roll:


I don't know what you are insinuating by that comment. I DO know that a local officer of the law will do his job and cart me off if I acted in the same manner as I spelled out, regardless of my skin color.

As for your second highlighted comment, that is pretty irresponsible and I am sure he was appropriately savaged by the liberal media. What Obama did was speak about a local law enforcement issue without being briefed on it as he would any other issue that prompts a response out of his mouth. He has no right criticizing anyone in that situation. If he were smart he would have deftly sidestepped the issue but I think he felt 'compelled' to respond...
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:23 am

Eric wrote:1) There were witnesses agreeing with the detailed police report, including the person reporting the potential break-in.

Witness testimony as written up by the police.
None have been interviewed as far as I'm aware.

Eric wrote:2) No, I respect officers enough to show an ID when asked

Depending on who you believe, Gates did just that.
If it's such an open and shut case, why did the DA drop the charges and apologize?

Eric wrote:3) Do you think they are all racists? Good Christ. You have proved to be an asshole here.

No, I’m just not naive enough to think any group of people is all good.
Especially when the dastardly perpetrator in question is a 60 year old bookworm with no criminal past who walks with a cane.

Eric wrote:4) This is a Republican thing now!? WOW!?

Look at the break down of posts on this very forum.
Is it any surprise the conservatives, the self described party of “law and order” (aka sticking it to the darkies) and the southern strategy are supporting the cop?
Eric wrote:5) Elderly? He was 58. And he refused to show ID and he harassed the officer.

Once again, only if you go by the police report.
Which apparently the DA had so much faith in they threw it right in the circular file.
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