Journey from Download Fest on Palladia HD

[Eric]

I can't believe they didn't (weren't able to) fix the sound mix (no piano in DSB!?!). Talk about an amatuer broadcast. And for all of the bands, the lead vocals are mixed too loud, and everything else turned down too low. Terrible sound mixing job, not just for Journey, but all the bands. Def Leppard sounded dead because of it.

Leppard was brutal

[Ehwmatt]

Man, how can anyone think Leppard's lipping? Listen to how bad Joe is.

Just one song into Journey now, Arnel sounds awful on Ask The Lonely. The downtuning does it no favors and Arnel is just all over the place on the phrasing. All other Journey and potential singers slayed Arnel on this one, sorry. And I generally support the guy..

[steveo777]

Man, how can anyone think Leppard's lipping? Listen to how bad Joe is.

Just one song into Journey now, Arnel sounds awful on Ask The Lonely. The downtuning does it no favors and Arnel is just all over the place on the phrasing. All other Journey and potential singers slayed Arnel on this one, sorry. And I generally support the guy..

OMG, it's over. They should just go find another singer right now! (no I don't really think that)

[Ehwmatt]

Man, how can anyone think Leppard's lipping? Listen to how bad Joe is.

Just one song into Journey now, Arnel sounds awful on Ask The Lonely. The downtuning does it no favors and Arnel is just all over the place on the phrasing. All other Journey and potential singers slayed Arnel on this one, sorry. And I generally support the guy..

OMG, it's over. They should just go find another singer right now! (no I don't really think that)

I like Arnel... search my past posts, but a spade's a spade. There are certain songs he's just no good on, and this is one of them. There are plenty he's very good on.

[steveo777]

Man, how can anyone think Leppard's lipping? Listen to how bad Joe is.

Just one song into Journey now, Arnel sounds awful on Ask The Lonely. The downtuning does it no favors and Arnel is just all over the place on the phrasing. All other Journey and potential singers slayed Arnel on this one, sorry. And I generally support the guy..

OMG, it's over. They should just go find another singer right now! (no I don't really think that)

I like Arnel... search my past posts, but a spade's a spade. There are certain songs he's just no good on, and this is one of them. There are plenty he's very good on.

I know somewhere along the way I have heard him nail that song, just don't remember exactly where.

[Ehwmatt]

Man, how can anyone think Leppard's lipping? Listen to how bad Joe is.

Just one song into Journey now, Arnel sounds awful on Ask The Lonely. The downtuning does it no favors and Arnel is just all over the place on the phrasing. All other Journey and potential singers slayed Arnel on this one, sorry. And I generally support the guy..

OMG, it's over. They should just go find another singer right now! (no I don't really think that)

I like Arnel... search my past posts, but a spade's a spade. There are certain songs he's just no good on, and this is one of them. There are plenty he's very good on.

I know somewhere along the way I have heard him nail that song, just don't remember exactly where.

It's honestly one of the most underrated difficult songs in the Perry canon. Those adlibs at the end are crazy high, the phrasing is tricky throughout the verses, and the chorus is obviously no cakewalk. At least to me it is tough...

[Don]

Man, how can anyone think Leppard's lipping? Listen to how bad Joe is.

Just one song into Journey now, Arnel sounds awful on Ask The Lonely. The downtuning does it no favors and Arnel is just all over the place on the phrasing. All other Journey and potential singers slayed Arnel on this one, sorry. And I generally support the guy..

OMG, it's over. They should just go find another singer right now! (no I don't really think that)

I like Arnel... search my past posts, but a spade's a spade. There are certain songs he's just no good on, and this is one of them. There are plenty he's very good on.

I was talking about this yesterday. Is his hearing screwed up or is the down tuning causing timing problems?

[Ehwmatt]

Man, how can anyone think Leppard's lipping? Listen to how bad Joe is.

Just one song into Journey now, Arnel sounds awful on Ask The Lonely. The downtuning does it no favors and Arnel is just all over the place on the phrasing. All other Journey and potential singers slayed Arnel on this one, sorry. And I generally support the guy..

OMG, it's over. They should just go find another singer right now! (no I don't really think that)

I like Arnel... search my past posts, but a spade's a spade. There are certain songs he's just no good on, and this is one of them. There are plenty he's very good on.

I was talking about this yesterday. Is his hearing screwed up or is the down tuning causing timing problems?

At the risk of sending this thread downhill reallllllly quick, part of it is the accent/diction issue I think. ATL kinda has quirky phrasing/inflections and it's probably just harder for him to pin down.

[strangegrey]

I suspect certain songs sound worse, because they may be songs that are being treated phonetically.

[Don]

Man, how can anyone think Leppard's lipping? Listen to how bad Joe is.

Just one song into Journey now, Arnel sounds awful on Ask The Lonely. The downtuning does it no favors and Arnel is just all over the place on the phrasing. All other Journey and potential singers slayed Arnel on this one, sorry. And I generally support the guy..

OMG, it's over. They should just go find another singer right now! (no I don't really think that)

I like Arnel... search my past posts, but a spade's a spade. There are certain songs he's just no good on, and this is one of them. There are plenty he's very good on.

I was talking about this yesterday. Is his hearing screwed up or is the down tuning causing timing problems?

At the risk of sending this thread downhill reallllllly quick, part of it is the accent/diction issue I think. ATL kinda has quirky phrasing/inflections and it's probably just harder for him to pin down.

With his wife with him on this tour, it will probably be hard for him to dump the diction issues this time around as he will probably be using Tagalog half the time when he's traveling between shows.

[steveo777]

Man, how can anyone think Leppard's lipping? Listen to how bad Joe is.

Just one song into Journey now, Arnel sounds awful on Ask The Lonely. The downtuning does it no favors and Arnel is just all over the place on the phrasing. All other Journey and potential singers slayed Arnel on this one, sorry. And I generally support the guy..

OMG, it's over. They should just go find another singer right now! (no I don't really think that)

I like Arnel... search my past posts, but a spade's a spade. There are certain songs he's just no good on, and this is one of them. There are plenty he's very good on.

I was talking about this yesterday. Is his hearing screwed up or is the down tuning causing timing problems?

At the risk of sending this thread downhill reallllllly quick, part of it is the accent/diction issue I think. ATL kinda has quirky phrasing/inflections and it's probably just harder for him to pin down.

There are vocal coaches out there and they could spend some time working with him on this. I don't think there is an overnight fix for these things. He is a work in progress and will be for a bit longer, if he can last until we can hear the benefits. My guess would be that the band has arranged this kind of therapy for him already. He is improved over last year.

[Liquid_Drummer]

Man, how can anyone think Leppard's lipping? Listen to how bad Joe is.

Just one song into Journey now, Arnel sounds awful on Ask The Lonely. The downtuning does it no favors and Arnel is just all over the place on the phrasing. All other Journey and potential singers slayed Arnel on this one, sorry. And I generally support the guy..

OMG, it's over. They should just go find another singer right now! (no I don't really think that)

I like Arnel... search my past posts, but a spade's a spade. There are certain songs he's just no good on, and this is one of them. There are plenty he's very good on.

I know somewhere along the way I have heard him nail that song, just don't remember exactly where.

It's honestly one of the most underrated difficult songs in the Perry canon. Those adlibs at the end are crazy high, the phrasing is tricky throughout the verses, and the chorus is obviously no cakewalk. At least to me it is tough...

No man. You are right. Something about this song makes it very, very hard to sing. It is the Chorus that shreds me every time. It has to do with the how the higher parts are sung. The vowel sounds during the higher vocals are just brutal on the cords for some reason.

[stevew2]

A friend of mine (who does NOT read any of these boards) caught this on TV and had some very unsavory things to say about Arnel's performance and his diction...

My friends loved the performance. Going by your track record here and on other boards I can understand what kind of friends you have.

You and Jason just like Arnels dicktation

[strangegrey]

OK, I *finally* got a chance to watch this through and through last night.

Couldn't hear Friga's keys AT ALL. There were times where his guitar and keyboards were so buried, that the only instrumentation I hear was Ross and Neal...


....and that actually exposed just how bad a bassist Ross has eroded into. He was awful. Rhythmically, the band sounded so fucking off, it was hard to listen to. Schon's rhythm was off as well, but I suspect that's more a case of Ross being off and throwing off Dean and Neal..than anything else.

Also, you could TOTALLY hear the canned vox...an utter put off for me. Really!! I mean, fucking sing this shit!!!


Which gets me onto Arnel. His diction still sucks. He sounds like he's singing things phonetically. It's especially worse when he adds ad-lib stuff in, because he probably wasn't 'trained' for those segments. The "Don't Stop" break at the end of DSB, which used to be a highlight for me, since Steve A did it so fucking well, was sad to watch....because Arnel was clearly trying to cop Steve A's feel on it...and failed miserably.

When Arnel's singing the song, in structured parts, he sounds passable. But its all of the nuances inbetween passages, songs, etc...where it sounds fucking bad. real bad.


I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

Twilight...that's what this band is in right now.....

same for Def Lep....if the fucking singer cant sing...pack it up. Don't piss on the music. All Def Lep has to do is look at the band that opened for them to see what awaits them, should they continue...

[burgerbit]

I came across this concert by last night and found it difficult to watch. I am a longtime fan who will just offer an opinion and I don't care what others think cause we all have opinions and some I see expressed here I don't agree with. That said I have seen Journey numerous times from 1982-2005 so I have not had a chance to see its current lead singer Arnel Pineda. After watching the Download Festival I will not be attending. I think Arnel is a good singer but just doesn't fit somehow. I cant describe it. He seems like some kid jumping around overdoing the dancing and trying to rally a crowd that also didn't seem into it. Even the interview portions, he looked way out of his league. I thought Steve Augeri had a much better stage presence and a voice that did justice to the hits yet had its own style for the stuff on Arrival, Red 13 and Generations, and its a shame it didn't work out. As for the band, I don't know if it was it was an outdoor thing but all you heard was guitar and drums, everyone was drowned out. Again I'm no musician and don't pretend to be it just sounded horrible to me. I respect the talents of all present and past members of this band I love, I just coudn't watch it much longer.

[portland]

I came across this concert by last night and found it difficult to watch. I am a longtime fan who will just offer an opinion and I don't care what others think cause we all have opinions and some I see expressed here I don't agree with. That said I have seen Journey numerous times from 1982-2005 so I have not had a chance to see its current lead singer Arnel Pineda. After watching the Download Festival I will not be attending. I think Arnel is a good singer but just doesn't fit somehow. I cant describe it. He seems like some kid jumping around overdoing the dancing and trying to rally a crowd that also didn't seem into it. Even the interview portions, he looked way out of his league. I thought Steve Augeri had a much better stage presence and a voice that did justice to the hits yet had its own style for the stuff on Arrival, Red 13 and Generations, and its a shame it didn't work out. As for the band, I don't know if it was it was an outdoor thing but all you heard was guitar and drums, everyone was drowned out. Again I'm no musician and don't pretend to be it just sounded horrible to me. I respect the talents of all present and past members of this band I love, I just coudn't watch it much longer.

Well welcome to the party.......

[Eric]

OK, I *finally* got a chance to watch this through and through last night.

Couldn't hear Friga's keys AT ALL. There were times where his guitar and keyboards were so buried, that the only instrumentation I hear was Ross and Neal...


....and that actually exposed just how bad a bassist Ross has eroded into. He was awful. Rhythmically, the band sounded so fucking off, it was hard to listen to. Schon's rhythm was off as well, but I suspect that's more a case of Ross being off and throwing off Dean and Neal..than anything else.

Also, you could TOTALLY hear the canned vox...an utter put off for me. Really!! I mean, fucking sing this shit!!!


Which gets me onto Arnel. His diction still sucks. He sounds like he's singing things phonetically. It's especially worse when he adds ad-lib stuff in, because he probably wasn't 'trained' for those segments. The "Don't Stop" break at the end of DSB, which used to be a highlight for me, since Steve A did it so fucking well, was sad to watch....because Arnel was clearly trying to cop Steve A's feel on it...and failed miserably.

When Arnel's singing the song, in structured parts, he sounds passable. But its all of the nuances inbetween passages, songs, etc...where it sounds fucking bad. real bad.


I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

Twilight...that's what this band is in right now.....

same for Def Lep....if the fucking singer cant sing...pack it up. Don't piss on the music. All Def Lep has to do is look at the band that opened for them to see what awaits them, should they continue...

Stone in Love was off...but I enjoyed the other 3 songs immensely.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Couldn't hear Friga's keys AT ALL. There were times where his guitar and keyboards were so buried, that the only instrumentation I hear was Ross and Neal...

I'm almost certain that was just a problem with the mix for the broadcast. I'm pretty sure the keyboard sound was okay live.

Also, you could TOTALLY hear the canned vox...an utter put off for me. Really!! I mean, fucking sing this shit!!!

Agreed. I hope Steve Augeri still gets paid for Journey's live performances - because he's definitely singing while the band's on stage!

The "Don't Stop" break at the end of DSB, which used to be a highlight for me, since Steve A did it so fucking well, was sad to watch....because Arnel was clearly trying to cop Steve A's feel on it...and failed miserably.

You're right. That has to go. Feels forced and unnatural, kind of embarrassing to watch.

[strangegrey]

I came across this concert by last night and found it difficult to watch. I am a longtime fan who will just offer an opinion and I don't care what others think cause we all have opinions and some I see expressed here I don't agree with. That said I have seen Journey numerous times from 1982-2005 so I have not had a chance to see its current lead singer Arnel Pineda. After watching the Download Festival I will not be attending. I think Arnel is a good singer but just doesn't fit somehow. I cant describe it. He seems like some kid jumping around overdoing the dancing and trying to rally a crowd that also didn't seem into it. Even the interview portions, he looked way out of his league. I thought Steve Augeri had a much better stage presence and a voice that did justice to the hits yet had its own style for the stuff on Arrival, Red 13 and Generations, and its a shame it didn't work out. As for the band, I don't know if it was it was an outdoor thing but all you heard was guitar and drums, everyone was drowned out. Again I'm no musician and don't pretend to be it just sounded horrible to me. I respect the talents of all present and past members of this band I love, I just coudn't watch it much longer.

Well stated.

There was a grace to Augeri that worked well within the band. When he moved on stage, it was graceful. Pineda just jumps out on stage and headbangs away...it looks like amateur night when Arnel hits the stage. Then, when he moves outside of the prescribed flight plan for his vocals, he starts sounding SO youtube. It's pretty bad...

...I still don't get what people see in this guy. When he's coached, he's passable. When he's off the reservation....he's so awful, it's embarrassing. Add in Ross's shitty playing, and it just looks like a trainwreck from all angles...

[daytrpr]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

[Rick]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

[Chubby321]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

This is so true and people are forgetting it's a metal show. Journey received very positive reviews not only from the metal media but from the metal fans as well. They were embraced and received with open arms, so to speak. Even other bands and tech of other bands have high praises for the band.

If you think that Journey is so crappy as a band, then don't even try to watch any of their videos. Why would you torture yourself. And you know what, if my favorite band is moving on and having a blast without me, I will be pissed too.

[portland]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

This is so true and people are forgetting it's a metal show. Journey received very positive reviews not only from the metal media but from the metal fans as well. They were embraced and received with open arms, so to speak. Even other bands and tech of other bands have high praises for the band.

If you think that Journey is so crappy as a band, then don't even try to watch any of their videos. Why would you torture yourself. And you know what, if my favorite band is moving on and having a blast without me, I will be pissed too.

AND here we go again!!

[Ehwmatt]

Man, how can anyone think Leppard's lipping? Listen to how bad Joe is.

Just one song into Journey now, Arnel sounds awful on Ask The Lonely. The downtuning does it no favors and Arnel is just all over the place on the phrasing. All other Journey and potential singers slayed Arnel on this one, sorry. And I generally support the guy..

OMG, it's over. They should just go find another singer right now! (no I don't really think that)

I like Arnel... search my past posts, but a spade's a spade. There are certain songs he's just no good on, and this is one of them. There are plenty he's very good on.

I know somewhere along the way I have heard him nail that song, just don't remember exactly where.

It's honestly one of the most underrated difficult songs in the Perry canon. Those adlibs at the end are crazy high, the phrasing is tricky throughout the verses, and the chorus is obviously no cakewalk. At least to me it is tough...

No man. You are right. Something about this song makes it very, very hard to sing. It is the Chorus that shreds me every time. It has to do with the how the higher parts are sung. The vowel sounds during the higher vocals are just brutal on the cords for some reason.

Glad to hear a real singer echo this backup singer's sentiments/judgment. You don't hear ATL talked about around here as one of Perry's finest vocal moments, but for me, it is - difficulty wise and melodically. A masterpiece.

[Chubby321]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

This is so true and people are forgetting it's a metal show. Journey received very positive reviews not only from the metal media but from the metal fans as well. They were embraced and received with open arms, so to speak. Even other bands and tech of other bands have high praises for the band.

If you think that Journey is so crappy as a band, then don't even try to watch any of their videos. Why would you torture yourself. And you know what, if my favorite band is moving on and having a blast without me, I will be pissed too.

AND here we go again!!

Well, this might not be your cup of tea because it's not a 1o page thread of speculations.

[Don]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

This is so true and people are forgetting it's a metal show. Journey received very positive reviews not only from the metal media but from the metal fans as well. They were embraced and received with open arms, so to speak. Even other bands and tech of other bands have high praises for the band.

If you think that Journey is so crappy as a band, then don't even try to watch any of their videos. Why would you torture yourself. And you know what, if my favorite band is moving on and having a blast without me, I will be pissed too.

They've always got fab reviews from the metal crowd, even before the "Filipino Karaoke Master" came on board. Their tour with Def Leppard was considered the biggest surprise of 2006. As far as moving on, the band is now using the version of DSB from 2001. They're not doing anything different then they have been doing the last 10 years except for detuning and playing less shows this year. They're sounding good but when it comes to moving ahead and covering new territory, no. They are slowly even getting away from playing the Rev songs too as they know people don't want hear it, all they want are the classics. In the end Journey proves, as they have every year that they are a great touring band. Nothing more, nothing less.

I give Arnel tons of credit but not more than what Augeri deserved. Without Steve's sacrifice, the band would have been retired long ago.

[Rick]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

This is so true and people are forgetting it's a metal show. Journey received very positive reviews not only from the metal media but from the metal fans as well. They were embraced and received with open arms, so to speak. Even other bands and tech of other bands have high praises for the band.

If you think that Journey is so crappy as a band, then don't even try to watch any of their videos. Why would you torture yourself. And you know what, if my favorite band is moving on and having a blast without me, I will be pissed too.

They've always got fab reviews from the metal crowd, even before the "Filipino Karaoke Master" came on board. Their tour with Def Leppard was considered the biggest surprise of 2006. As far as moving on, the band is now using the version of DSB from 2001. They're not doing anything different then they have been doing the last 10 years except for detuning and playing less shows this year. They're sounding good but when it comes to moving ahead and covering new territory, no. They are slowly even getting away from playing the Rev songs too as they know people don't want hear it, all they want are the classics. In the end Journey proves, as they have every year that they are a great touring band. Nothing more, nothing less.

As of now they're doing 67 shows this year. That's not much of a step down. DSB I agree with, but they've added a lot of extras to other songs that I haven't been heard before. They are playing less of Revelation, that is very true.

[Chubby321]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

This is so true and people are forgetting it's a metal show. Journey received very positive reviews not only from the metal media but from the metal fans as well. They were embraced and received with open arms, so to speak. Even other bands and tech of other bands have high praises for the band.

If you think that Journey is so crappy as a band, then don't even try to watch any of their videos. Why would you torture yourself. And you know what, if my favorite band is moving on and having a blast without me, I will be pissed too.

They've always got fab reviews from the metal crowd, even before the "Filipino Karaoke Master" came on board. Their tour with Def Leppard was considered the biggest surprise of 2006. As far as moving on, the band is now using the version of DSB from 2001. They're not doing anything different then they have been doing the last 10 years except for detuning and playing less shows this year. They're sounding good but when it comes to moving ahead and covering new territory, no. They are slowly even getting away from playing the Rev songs too as they know people don't want hear it, all they want are the classics. In the end Journey proves, as they have every year that they are a great touring band. Nothing more, nothing less.

I give Arnel tons of credit but not more than what Augeri deserved. Without Steve's sacrifice, the band would have been retired long ago.

Did I discredit Augerie in any way in post? And what's your point for describing Arnel as "Filipino Karaoke Master"? Is that really necessary to prove your point?

[Don]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

This is so true and people are forgetting it's a metal show. Journey received very positive reviews not only from the metal media but from the metal fans as well. They were embraced and received with open arms, so to speak. Even other bands and tech of other bands have high praises for the band.

If you think that Journey is so crappy as a band, then don't even try to watch any of their videos. Why would you torture yourself. And you know what, if my favorite band is moving on and having a blast without me, I will be pissed too.

They've always got fab reviews from the metal crowd, even before the "Filipino Karaoke Master" came on board. Their tour with Def Leppard was considered the biggest surprise of 2006. As far as moving on, the band is now using the version of DSB from 2001. They're not doing anything different then they have been doing the last 10 years except for detuning and playing less shows this year. They're sounding good but when it comes to moving ahead and covering new territory, no. They are slowly even getting away from playing the Rev songs too as they know people don't want hear it, all they want are the classics. In the end Journey proves, as they have every year that they are a great touring band. Nothing more, nothing less.

As of now they're doing 67 shows this year. That's not much of a step down. DSB I agree with, but they've added a lot of extras to other songs that I haven't been heard before. They are playing less of Revelation, that is very true.

Do you add extra long solos to the same 12 songs or pull out some other songs? Journey's fan base is killing their creativity. They're stuck in the same pattern that started in 2001. This just gives me more respect for Eddie Van Halen picking up Hagar instead of a sound alike singer (and he wasn't even the first choice, Patty Smyth was). Yeah, he pissed off their hardcore fans but in the end, it worked out tremendously. Augeri could have been the catalyst for something new but somewhere along the way, Neal got cold feet and lost the opportunity to start a new legacy.

[Jana]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

This is so true and people are forgetting it's a metal show. Journey received very positive reviews not only from the metal media but from the metal fans as well. They were embraced and received with open arms, so to speak. Even other bands and tech of other bands have high praises for the band.

If you think that Journey is so crappy as a band, then don't even try to watch any of their videos. Why would you torture yourself. And you know what, if my favorite band is moving on and having a blast without me, I will be pissed too.

They've always got fab reviews from the metal crowd, even before the "Filipino Karaoke Master" came on board. Their tour with Def Leppard was considered the biggest surprise of 2006. As far as moving on, the band is now using the version of DSB from 2001. They're not doing anything different then they have been doing the last 10 years except for detuning and playing less shows this year. They're sounding good but when it comes to moving ahead and covering new territory, no. They are slowly even getting away from playing the Rev songs too as they know people don't want hear it, all they want are the classics. In the end Journey proves, as they have every year that they are a great touring band. Nothing more, nothing less.

As of now they're doing 67 shows this year. That's not much of a step down. DSB I agree with, but they've added a lot of extras to other songs that I haven't been heard before. They are playing less of Revelation, that is very true.

Well, they've played three Revelation songs on the U.S. leg for a ninety-minute show so far and many shows in Europe were four Revelation songs. I consider that pretty decent.