Journey from Download Fest on Palladia HD

[jrnyjetster]

There was a grace to Augeri that worked well within the band. When he moved on stage, it was graceful. Pineda just jumps out on stage and headbangs away...it looks like amateur night when Arnel hits the stage.

Oh...so you're one of those Augeri wigglers, hah?? Honestly strangegrey, it seems like you have some sort of personal vendetta against Arnel or something....for cripes sake give the guy a fucking break...will ya. You can't deny that Arnel has a great set of pipes and he's putting his own stamp on those classic songs. As for Arnel's moves on stage, like them or not, he's got some tremendous energy which makes for a great frontman, in my opinion. And no, he ain't Steve Perry but he's about as close as you get, vocally. Why even compare him to Augeri?

[Jana]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

This is so true and people are forgetting it's a metal show. Journey received very positive reviews not only from the metal media but from the metal fans as well. They were embraced and received with open arms, so to speak. Even other bands and tech of other bands have high praises for the band.

If you think that Journey is so crappy as a band, then don't even try to watch any of their videos. Why would you torture yourself. And you know what, if my favorite band is moving on and having a blast without me, I will be pissed too.

They've always got fab reviews from the metal crowd, even before the "Filipino Karaoke Master" came on board. Their tour with Def Leppard was considered the biggest surprise of 2006. As far as moving on, the band is now using the version of DSB from 2001. They're not doing anything different then they have been doing the last 10 years except for detuning and playing less shows this year. They're sounding good but when it comes to moving ahead and covering new territory, no. They are slowly even getting away from playing the Rev songs too as they know people don't want hear it, all they want are the classics. In the end Journey proves, as they have every year that they are a great touring band. Nothing more, nothing less.

I give Arnel tons of credit but not more than what Augeri deserved. Without Steve's sacrifice, the band would have been retired long ago.

Did I discredit Augerie in any way in post? And what's your point for describing Arnel as "Filipino Karaoke Master"? Is that really necessary to prove your point?

Because he gets off on it.

[Don]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

This is so true and people are forgetting it's a metal show. Journey received very positive reviews not only from the metal media but from the metal fans as well. They were embraced and received with open arms, so to speak. Even other bands and tech of other bands have high praises for the band.

If you think that Journey is so crappy as a band, then don't even try to watch any of their videos. Why would you torture yourself. And you know what, if my favorite band is moving on and having a blast without me, I will be pissed too.

They've always got fab reviews from the metal crowd, even before the "Filipino Karaoke Master" came on board. Their tour with Def Leppard was considered the biggest surprise of 2006. As far as moving on, the band is now using the version of DSB from 2001. They're not doing anything different then they have been doing the last 10 years except for detuning and playing less shows this year. They're sounding good but when it comes to moving ahead and covering new territory, no. They are slowly even getting away from playing the Rev songs too as they know people don't want hear it, all they want are the classics. In the end Journey proves, as they have every year that they are a great touring band. Nothing more, nothing less.

I give Arnel tons of credit but not more than what Augeri deserved. Without Steve's sacrifice, the band would have been retired long ago.

Did I discredit Augerie in any way in post? And what's your point for describing Arnel as "Filipino Karaoke Master"? Is that really necessary to prove your point?

My description of Arnel came from the same guy who you all where praising for his wonderful review of the Red Rocks, I guess you missed that and only read what you wanted to read.

Acting like all this praise the band is getting is something new is a discredit to Augeri. Coming from you who specifically said in another thread that you're only a fan because of Arnel, I'm just making it clear that he is not the messiah that resurrected the band from the dead. Augeri was.

[Rick]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

This is so true and people are forgetting it's a metal show. Journey received very positive reviews not only from the metal media but from the metal fans as well. They were embraced and received with open arms, so to speak. Even other bands and tech of other bands have high praises for the band.

If you think that Journey is so crappy as a band, then don't even try to watch any of their videos. Why would you torture yourself. And you know what, if my favorite band is moving on and having a blast without me, I will be pissed too.

They've always got fab reviews from the metal crowd, even before the "Filipino Karaoke Master" came on board. Their tour with Def Leppard was considered the biggest surprise of 2006. As far as moving on, the band is now using the version of DSB from 2001. They're not doing anything different then they have been doing the last 10 years except for detuning and playing less shows this year. They're sounding good but when it comes to moving ahead and covering new territory, no. They are slowly even getting away from playing the Rev songs too as they know people don't want hear it, all they want are the classics. In the end Journey proves, as they have every year that they are a great touring band. Nothing more, nothing less.

As of now they're doing 67 shows this year. That's not much of a step down. DSB I agree with, but they've added a lot of extras to other songs that I haven't been heard before. They are playing less of Revelation, that is very true.

Do you add extra long solos to the same 12 songs or pull out some other songs? Journey's fan base is killing their creativity. They're stuck in the same pattern that started in 2001. This just gives me more respect for Eddie Van Halen picking up Hagar instead of a sound alike singer (and he wasn't even the first choice, Patty Smyth was). Yeah, he pissed off their hardcore fans but in the end, it worked out tremendously. Augeri could have been the catalyst for something new but somewhere along the way, Neal got cold feet and lost the opportunity to start a new legacy.

It's not just extra long solos my brudda. The new interlude in Separate Ways is what I'm talking about. I love that, and I think you do too.

Sammy took over when the time was right. That was well before the change of the music climate. Had Journey did that then, it might have worked. They can't change the formula now. They HAVE to live off of the legacy. The music climate today doesn't allow anything else.

[Don]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

This is so true and people are forgetting it's a metal show. Journey received very positive reviews not only from the metal media but from the metal fans as well. They were embraced and received with open arms, so to speak. Even other bands and tech of other bands have high praises for the band.

If you think that Journey is so crappy as a band, then don't even try to watch any of their videos. Why would you torture yourself. And you know what, if my favorite band is moving on and having a blast without me, I will be pissed too.

They've always got fab reviews from the metal crowd, even before the "Filipino Karaoke Master" came on board. Their tour with Def Leppard was considered the biggest surprise of 2006. As far as moving on, the band is now using the version of DSB from 2001. They're not doing anything different then they have been doing the last 10 years except for detuning and playing less shows this year. They're sounding good but when it comes to moving ahead and covering new territory, no. They are slowly even getting away from playing the Rev songs too as they know people don't want hear it, all they want are the classics. In the end Journey proves, as they have every year that they are a great touring band. Nothing more, nothing less.

As of now they're doing 67 shows this year. That's not much of a step down. DSB I agree with, but they've added a lot of extras to other songs that I haven't been heard before. They are playing less of Revelation, that is very true.

Do you add extra long solos to the same 12 songs or pull out some other songs? Journey's fan base is killing their creativity. They're stuck in the same pattern that started in 2001. This just gives me more respect for Eddie Van Halen picking up Hagar instead of a sound alike singer (and he wasn't even the first choice, Patty Smyth was). Yeah, he pissed off their hardcore fans but in the end, it worked out tremendously. Augeri could have been the catalyst for something new but somewhere along the way, Neal got cold feet and lost the opportunity to start a new legacy.

It's not just extra long solos my brudda. The new interlude in Separate Ways is what I'm talking about. I love that, and I think you do too.

Sammy took over when the time was right. That was well before the change of the music climate. Had Journey did that then, it might have worked. They can't change the formula now. They HAVE to live off of the legacy. The music climate today doesn't allow anything else.

All right Rick. But if you could change those solos for one song, what would it be? What is the one number you really want to hear?

[stevew2]

I didnt see shit

[Don]

I didnt see shit

DUDE!

[Chubby321]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

This is so true and people are forgetting it's a metal show. Journey received very positive reviews not only from the metal media but from the metal fans as well. They were embraced and received with open arms, so to speak. Even other bands and tech of other bands have high praises for the band.

If you think that Journey is so crappy as a band, then don't even try to watch any of their videos. Why would you torture yourself. And you know what, if my favorite band is moving on and having a blast without me, I will be pissed too.

They've always got fab reviews from the metal crowd, even before the "Filipino Karaoke Master" came on board. Their tour with Def Leppard was considered the biggest surprise of 2006. As far as moving on, the band is now using the version of DSB from 2001. They're not doing anything different then they have been doing the last 10 years except for detuning and playing less shows this year. They're sounding good but when it comes to moving ahead and covering new territory, no. They are slowly even getting away from playing the Rev songs too as they know people don't want hear it, all they want are the classics. In the end Journey proves, as they have every year that they are a great touring band. Nothing more, nothing less.

I give Arnel tons of credit but not more than what Augeri deserved. Without Steve's sacrifice, the band would have been retired long ago.

Did I discredit Augerie in any way in post? And what's your point for describing Arnel as "Filipino Karaoke Master"? Is that really necessary to prove your point?

My description of Arnel came from the same guy who you all where praising for his wonderful review of the Red Rocks, I guess you missed that and only read what you wanted to read.

Acting like all this praise the band is getting is something new is a discredit to Augeri. Coming from you who specifically said in another thread that you're only a fan because of Arnel, I'm just making it clear that he is not the messiah that resurrected the band from the dead. Augeri was.

We are having a discussion here. This is our little community, is it that hard to call Arnel by his name. You can read people by the way they post, obviously something is bothering you just like Strangeface here.

At least I was honest about my stance on this band. I never said that he's a messiah, did you see me use that word?. Moving on is soooooo different from what you're trying to make it.

[Rick]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

This is so true and people are forgetting it's a metal show. Journey received very positive reviews not only from the metal media but from the metal fans as well. They were embraced and received with open arms, so to speak. Even other bands and tech of other bands have high praises for the band.

If you think that Journey is so crappy as a band, then don't even try to watch any of their videos. Why would you torture yourself. And you know what, if my favorite band is moving on and having a blast without me, I will be pissed too.

They've always got fab reviews from the metal crowd, even before the "Filipino Karaoke Master" came on board. Their tour with Def Leppard was considered the biggest surprise of 2006. As far as moving on, the band is now using the version of DSB from 2001. They're not doing anything different then they have been doing the last 10 years except for detuning and playing less shows this year. They're sounding good but when it comes to moving ahead and covering new territory, no. They are slowly even getting away from playing the Rev songs too as they know people don't want hear it, all they want are the classics. In the end Journey proves, as they have every year that they are a great touring band. Nothing more, nothing less.

As of now they're doing 67 shows this year. That's not much of a step down. DSB I agree with, but they've added a lot of extras to other songs that I haven't been heard before. They are playing less of Revelation, that is very true.

Do you add extra long solos to the same 12 songs or pull out some other songs? Journey's fan base is killing their creativity. They're stuck in the same pattern that started in 2001. This just gives me more respect for Eddie Van Halen picking up Hagar instead of a sound alike singer (and he wasn't even the first choice, Patty Smyth was). Yeah, he pissed off their hardcore fans but in the end, it worked out tremendously. Augeri could have been the catalyst for something new but somewhere along the way, Neal got cold feet and lost the opportunity to start a new legacy.

It's not just extra long solos my brudda. The new interlude in Separate Ways is what I'm talking about. I love that, and I think you do too.

Sammy took over when the time was right. That was well before the change of the music climate. Had Journey did that then, it might have worked. They can't change the formula now. They HAVE to live off of the legacy. The music climate today doesn't allow anything else.

All right Rick. But if you could change those solos for one song, what would it be? What is the one number you really want to hear?

"Just The Same Way"

That's asking a lot, I know.

[Don]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

This is so true and people are forgetting it's a metal show. Journey received very positive reviews not only from the metal media but from the metal fans as well. They were embraced and received with open arms, so to speak. Even other bands and tech of other bands have high praises for the band.

If you think that Journey is so crappy as a band, then don't even try to watch any of their videos. Why would you torture yourself. And you know what, if my favorite band is moving on and having a blast without me, I will be pissed too.

They've always got fab reviews from the metal crowd, even before the "Filipino Karaoke Master" came on board. Their tour with Def Leppard was considered the biggest surprise of 2006. As far as moving on, the band is now using the version of DSB from 2001. They're not doing anything different then they have been doing the last 10 years except for detuning and playing less shows this year. They're sounding good but when it comes to moving ahead and covering new territory, no. They are slowly even getting away from playing the Rev songs too as they know people don't want hear it, all they want are the classics. In the end Journey proves, as they have every year that they are a great touring band. Nothing more, nothing less.

I give Arnel tons of credit but not more than what Augeri deserved. Without Steve's sacrifice, the band would have been retired long ago.

Did I discredit Augerie in any way in post? And what's your point for describing Arnel as "Filipino Karaoke Master"? Is that really necessary to prove your point?

My description of Arnel came from the same guy who you all where praising for his wonderful review of the Red Rocks, I guess you missed that and only read what you wanted to read.

Acting like all this praise the band is getting is something new is a discredit to Augeri. Coming from you who specifically said in another thread that you're only a fan because of Arnel, I'm just making it clear that he is not the messiah that resurrected the band from the dead. Augeri was.

We are having a discussion here. This is our little community, is it that hard to call Arnel by his name. You can read people by the way they post, obviously something is bothering you just like Strangeface here.

At least I was honest about my stance on this band. I never said that he's a messiah, did you see me use that word?. Moving on soooooo is different from what you're trying to make it.

I referred to Pineda the same way the Journalist did. Did you have a problem with that in his review? Did I say anything derogatory about the man, beyond what the reviewer did? You were always there when Gideon or St. John said something cynical about Perry and you have had no problem putting your two cents in, so that's all I'm doing here. Rick didn't let it sidetrack him and debated the point I was making. You on the other hand take it a different way when it's your idol, not Perry being ridiculed. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. By the way, what I am saying is nothing compared to what Strangegrey will lay on you. If my little post rattled you, you are are in for a tornado when he responds to your little piggy back swipe at him with your little wink.

All fair though, I still <3 you.

[Don]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

This is so true and people are forgetting it's a metal show. Journey received very positive reviews not only from the metal media but from the metal fans as well. They were embraced and received with open arms, so to speak. Even other bands and tech of other bands have high praises for the band.

If you think that Journey is so crappy as a band, then don't even try to watch any of their videos. Why would you torture yourself. And you know what, if my favorite band is moving on and having a blast without me, I will be pissed too.

They've always got fab reviews from the metal crowd, even before the "Filipino Karaoke Master" came on board. Their tour with Def Leppard was considered the biggest surprise of 2006. As far as moving on, the band is now using the version of DSB from 2001. They're not doing anything different then they have been doing the last 10 years except for detuning and playing less shows this year. They're sounding good but when it comes to moving ahead and covering new territory, no. They are slowly even getting away from playing the Rev songs too as they know people don't want hear it, all they want are the classics. In the end Journey proves, as they have every year that they are a great touring band. Nothing more, nothing less.

As of now they're doing 67 shows this year. That's not much of a step down. DSB I agree with, but they've added a lot of extras to other songs that I haven't been heard before. They are playing less of Revelation, that is very true.

Do you add extra long solos to the same 12 songs or pull out some other songs? Journey's fan base is killing their creativity. They're stuck in the same pattern that started in 2001. This just gives me more respect for Eddie Van Halen picking up Hagar instead of a sound alike singer (and he wasn't even the first choice, Patty Smyth was). Yeah, he pissed off their hardcore fans but in the end, it worked out tremendously. Augeri could have been the catalyst for something new but somewhere along the way, Neal got cold feet and lost the opportunity to start a new legacy.

It's not just extra long solos my brudda. The new interlude in Separate Ways is what I'm talking about. I love that, and I think you do too.

Sammy took over when the time was right. That was well before the change of the music climate. Had Journey did that then, it might have worked. They can't change the formula now. They HAVE to live off of the legacy. The music climate today doesn't allow anything else.

All right Rick. But if you could change those solos for one song, what would it be? What is the one number you really want to hear?

"Just The Same Way"

That's asking a lot, I know.

Just throw a request in for Foolish Heart why you're at it.

[steveo777]

I didnt see shit

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... 3&start=60
Of course you didn't see anything and I know why.

[Don]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

This is so true and people are forgetting it's a metal show. Journey received very positive reviews not only from the metal media but from the metal fans as well. They were embraced and received with open arms, so to speak. Even other bands and tech of other bands have high praises for the band.

If you think that Journey is so crappy as a band, then don't even try to watch any of their videos. Why would you torture yourself. And you know what, if my favorite band is moving on and having a blast without me, I will be pissed too.

They've always got fab reviews from the metal crowd, even before the "Filipino Karaoke Master" came on board. Their tour with Def Leppard was considered the biggest surprise of 2006. As far as moving on, the band is now using the version of DSB from 2001. They're not doing anything different then they have been doing the last 10 years except for detuning and playing less shows this year. They're sounding good but when it comes to moving ahead and covering new territory, no. They are slowly even getting away from playing the Rev songs too as they know people don't want hear it, all they want are the classics. In the end Journey proves, as they have every year that they are a great touring band. Nothing more, nothing less.

I give Arnel tons of credit but not more than what Augeri deserved. Without Steve's sacrifice, the band would have been retired long ago.

Did I discredit Augerie in any way in post? And what's your point for describing Arnel as "Filipino Karaoke Master"? Is that really necessary to prove your point?

Because he gets off on it.

You're the only one that gets me.

[stevew2]

I didnt see shit

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... 3&start=60
Of course you didn't see anything and I know why.

why you ball sack?

[Chubby321]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

This is so true and people are forgetting it's a metal show. Journey received very positive reviews not only from the metal media but from the metal fans as well. They were embraced and received with open arms, so to speak. Even other bands and tech of other bands have high praises for the band.

If you think that Journey is so crappy as a band, then don't even try to watch any of their videos. Why would you torture yourself. And you know what, if my favorite band is moving on and having a blast without me, I will be pissed too.

They've always got fab reviews from the metal crowd, even before the "Filipino Karaoke Master" came on board. Their tour with Def Leppard was considered the biggest surprise of 2006. As far as moving on, the band is now using the version of DSB from 2001. They're not doing anything different then they have been doing the last 10 years except for detuning and playing less shows this year. They're sounding good but when it comes to moving ahead and covering new territory, no. They are slowly even getting away from playing the Rev songs too as they know people don't want hear it, all they want are the classics. In the end Journey proves, as they have every year that they are a great touring band. Nothing more, nothing less.

I give Arnel tons of credit but not more than what Augeri deserved. Without Steve's sacrifice, the band would have been retired long ago.

Did I discredit Augerie in any way in post? And what's your point for describing Arnel as "Filipino Karaoke Master"? Is that really necessary to prove your point?

My description of Arnel came from the same guy who you all where praising for his wonderful review of the Red Rocks, I guess you missed that and only read what you wanted to read.

Acting like all this praise the band is getting is something new is a discredit to Augeri. Coming from you who specifically said in another thread that you're only a fan because of Arnel, I'm just making it clear that he is not the messiah that resurrected the band from the dead. Augeri was.

We are having a discussion here. This is our little community, is it that hard to call Arnel by his name. You can read people by the way they post, obviously something is bothering you just like Strangeface here.

At least I was honest about my stance on this band. I never said that he's a messiah, did you see me use that word?. Moving on soooooo is different from what you're trying to make it.

I referred to Pineda the same way the Journalist did. Did you have a problem with that in his review? Did I say anything derogatory about the man, beyond what the reviewer did? You were always there when Gideon or St. John said something cynical about Perry and you have had no problem putting your two cents in, so that's all I'm doing here. Rick didn't let it sidetrack him and debated the point I was making. You on the other hand take it a different way when it's your idol, not Perry being ridiculed. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. By the way, what I am saying is nothing compared to what Strangegrey will lay on you. If my little post rattled you, you are are in for a tornado when he responds to your little piggy back swipe at him with your little wink.

I never personally ridiculed SP, SA or even JSS. I don't care what Strange will say to me. He can rant as much as he want and only Andrew can tell him to shut up or not. It's concert season, many more people will be reading this board, at least people would realized what Arnel have to endure from some of the hardcore fans or Journey. Plus Strange never have anything positive to say anyways, so what new?

[yulog]

A friend of mine (who does NOT read any of these boards) caught this on TV and had some very unsavory things to say about Arnel's performance and his diction...

My friends loved the performance. Going by your track record here and on other boards I can understand what kind of friends you have.

[Don]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

This is so true and people are forgetting it's a metal show. Journey received very positive reviews not only from the metal media but from the metal fans as well. They were embraced and received with open arms, so to speak. Even other bands and tech of other bands have high praises for the band.

If you think that Journey is so crappy as a band, then don't even try to watch any of their videos. Why would you torture yourself. And you know what, if my favorite band is moving on and having a blast without me, I will be pissed too.

They've always got fab reviews from the metal crowd, even before the "Filipino Karaoke Master" came on board. Their tour with Def Leppard was considered the biggest surprise of 2006. As far as moving on, the band is now using the version of DSB from 2001. They're not doing anything different then they have been doing the last 10 years except for detuning and playing less shows this year. They're sounding good but when it comes to moving ahead and covering new territory, no. They are slowly even getting away from playing the Rev songs too as they know people don't want hear it, all they want are the classics. In the end Journey proves, as they have every year that they are a great touring band. Nothing more, nothing less.

I give Arnel tons of credit but not more than what Augeri deserved. Without Steve's sacrifice, the band would have been retired long ago.

Did I discredit Augerie in any way in post? And what's your point for describing Arnel as "Filipino Karaoke Master"? Is that really necessary to prove your point?

My description of Arnel came from the same guy who you all where praising for his wonderful review of the Red Rocks, I guess you missed that and only read what you wanted to read.

Acting like all this praise the band is getting is something new is a discredit to Augeri. Coming from you who specifically said in another thread that you're only a fan because of Arnel, I'm just making it clear that he is not the messiah that resurrected the band from the dead. Augeri was.

We are having a discussion here. This is our little community, is it that hard to call Arnel by his name. You can read people by the way they post, obviously something is bothering you just like Strangeface here.

At least I was honest about my stance on this band. I never said that he's a messiah, did you see me use that word?. Moving on soooooo is different from what you're trying to make it.

I referred to Pineda the same way the Journalist did. Did you have a problem with that in his review? Did I say anything derogatory about the man, beyond what the reviewer did? You were always there when Gideon or St. John said something cynical about Perry and you have had no problem putting your two cents in, so that's all I'm doing here. Rick didn't let it sidetrack him and debated the point I was making. You on the other hand take it a different way when it's your idol, not Perry being ridiculed. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. By the way, what I am saying is nothing compared to what Strangegrey will lay on you. If my little post rattled you, you are are in for a tornado when he responds to your little piggy back swipe at him with your little wink.

I never personally ridiculed SP, SA or even JSS. I don't care what Strange will say to me. He can rant as much as he wants and only Andrew can tell him to shut up or not. It's concert season, many more people will be reading this board, at least people would realized what Arnel have to endure from some of the hardcore fans or Journey. Plus Strange never have anything positive to say anyways, so what new?

They read the board when it was 10x worse than this. They'll survive. Besides, why do you think this place gets more hits then all the journey sites combined? Drama, dear. No ass kissing, just good old fashioned hair pulling fights. Every one can say how bad we are here but like driving by a car accident, they can't help but take a peek at what's going on.

[Don]

By the way, all of you so offended by my use of the Red Rock's reviewer's description regarding Pineda ( which was almost the same description Tiki Barber gave 200 million viewers during the Super Bowl pre-game), try to think if you've ever laughed when Perry was referred to as Nostrildamus.

Check out the urban definition for that word.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... strildamus

Makes anything I've said look pretty tame, doesnt it?

[yulog]

I've never heard this band sound so bad before.....my wife walked in halfway between jrny's set and goes "Good God, What Awful Journey tribute band are you watching now?!?!?" ....then she looks at the TV and goes "Holy Crap!"......

It sounded lousy because whoever produced the show screwed up the mix. Everyone sounded lousy. Go find the crowd recorded clips on YouTube...sounds much better.

No excuses are necessary. It wouldn't have made any difference. There is nothing this band can do to make SG happy. He's completely jaded and soured on this band.

For every 10 great reviews, there's 1 that isn't, and SG will latch on to that 1, as it serves his purpose.

BINGO!

[mdaemon]

By the way, all of you so offended by my use of the Red Rock's reviewer's description regarding Pineda ( which was almost the same description Tiki Barber gave 200 million viewers during the Super Bowl pre-game), try to think if you've ever laughed when Perry was referred to as Nostrildamus.

Check out the urban definition for that word.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... strildamus

Makes anything I've said look pretty tame, doesnt it?

if you scroll down further, it says "a guy or girl with a big nose". How is that offensive? Wtg on using an online dictionary that couldn't spell (definate??) as a source to prove your point.

[Don]

By the way, all of you so offended by my use of the Red Rock's reviewer's description regarding Pineda ( which was almost the same description Tiki Barber gave 200 million viewers during the Super Bowl pre-game), try to think if you've ever laughed when Perry was referred to as Nostrildamus.

Check out the urban definition for that word.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... strildamus

Makes anything I've said look pretty tame, doesnt it?

if you scroll down further, it says "a guy or girl with a big nose". How is that offensive? Wtg on using an online dictionary that couldn't spell (definate??) as a source to prove your point.

That's why I noted that it was an urban dictionary, dear. I don't think people will take it seriously. It's probably just a coincidence that the word used to describe Perry ended up having any meaning at all, even in slang terms. By the way, I didn't expect you to be sniffing behind my ass for a few more hours. Are you stalking me again?

[steveo777]

If you're thinking about food, don't go to the urban dictionary and look up chili dog

[mdaemon]

By the way, all of you so offended by my use of the Red Rock's reviewer's description regarding Pineda ( which was almost the same description Tiki Barber gave 200 million viewers during the Super Bowl pre-game), try to think if you've ever laughed when Perry was referred to as Nostrildamus.

Check out the urban definition for that word.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... strildamus

Makes anything I've said look pretty tame, doesnt it?

if you scroll down further, it says "a guy or girl with a big nose". How is that offensive? Wtg on using an online dictionary that couldn't spell (definate??) as a source to prove your point.

That's why I noted that it was an urban dictionary, dear. I don't think people will take it seriously. It's probably just a coincidence that the word used to describe Perry ended up having any meaning at all, even in slang terms. By the way, I didn't expect you to be sniffing behind my ass for a few more hours. Are you stalking me again?

Dude! LOL! You know what time I go online and I am the one stalking?

[Don]

By the way, all of you so offended by my use of the Red Rock's reviewer's description regarding Pineda ( which was almost the same description Tiki Barber gave 200 million viewers during the Super Bowl pre-game), try to think if you've ever laughed when Perry was referred to as Nostrildamus.

Check out the urban definition for that word.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... strildamus

Makes anything I've said look pretty tame, doesnt it?

if you scroll down further, it says "a guy or girl with a big nose". How is that offensive? Wtg on using an online dictionary that couldn't spell (definate??) as a source to prove your point.

That's why I noted that it was an urban dictionary, dear. I don't think people will take it seriously. It's probably just a coincidence that the word used to describe Perry ended up having any meaning at all, even in slang terms. By the way, I didn't expect you to be sniffing behind my ass for a few more hours. Are you stalking me again?

Dude! LOL! You know what time I go online and I am the one stalking?

That's because I'm always here. Even at work, my second monitor has MR right behind my full screen Outlook. I admit it, I'm an addict. Between here, BBC and Demonoid, I'm always in the vicinity.

[Eric]

As far as moving on, the band is now using the version of DSB from 2001. They're not doing anything different then they have been doing the last 10 years except for detuning and playing less shows this year. .

Different versions of Stone in Love, Separate Ways, Wheel in the Sky and Anyway You Want it. 3-4 tunes off Revelation. Totally re-done stage setup..way different vibe..way more energy.

[strangegrey]

There was a grace to Augeri that worked well within the band. When he moved on stage, it was graceful. Pineda just jumps out on stage and headbangs away...it looks like amateur night when Arnel hits the stage.

Oh...so you're one of those Augeri wigglers, hah?? Honestly strangegrey, it seems like you have some sort of personal vendetta against Arnel or something....for cripes sake give the guy a fucking break...will ya. You can't deny that Arnel has a great set of pipes and he's putting his own stamp on those classic songs. As for Arnel's moves on stage, like them or not, he's got some tremendous energy which makes for a great frontman, in my opinion. And no, he ain't Steve Perry but he's about as close as you get, vocally. Why even compare him to Augeri?

I'll throw out the wiggler comment, since you clearly don't know me at all. The only person Arnel should (and in my book does) get compared to is Perry....and he's not fit to whipe Perry's piss off of of the urinal wall.

Listen, let me put this in a clear and concise way. The very minute he accepted Neal schon's offer to join Journey, he was *immediately* placed under the justified scrutiny of Journey's fanbase. Tough fucking shit! All the race-baiting arneliots in the world can't change that fact. Despite their greatest attempts....

Now, let me throw out the singing issues and get to the 'moves' which are rather secondary and tertiary to me. The point I was making was that it looks like amateur night up there with arnel banging his head and acting like a kamakazi pilot that didn't get his chance to hari-kari. If any arneliot were a fan of this band prior to him joining, they'd know what I was talking about.....where even Augeri's wiggles exhibit a grace that vastly surpasses the stupid shit Arnel currently is doing up on the stage.

Now to the comment that I have a problem with Arnel? bullshit. The guy took an opportunity that anyone would have doneso...but, if he went in with his eyes closed, then shame on him. ANYONE taking the hotseat was going to get scrutiny. If it was Jeremey, he'd be catching shit too...same with Hugo...or Chalfant.

So really, it all comes down to voice....does Arnel bring the magic that Perry brought? No..he doesn't. He sounds like someone that doesn't speak the language, who was coached to sing it a certain way....is he close? at times....but he'll NEVER measure up...

...and that's just a fact any arneliot is going to have to come to grips with. The carpetbaggers that love arnel came to the party when pretty much everyone else had their fill of beer...now you're pissed that there's nothing left in the keg. Sorry to hear that. I've moved on from Journey a LONG time ago....If any of you think I'm just here to piss in your weaties, you again, don't know me very well.


Enjoy arnel while he lasts....another thing you should have realized when you got to the party, is that the hosts can pull the rug out from under you as soon as they find a new group of party goers.....don't say I didn't warn you!

[Eric]

So really, it all comes down to voice....does Arnel bring the magic that Perry brought? No..he doesn't. He sounds like someone that doesn't speak the language, who was coached to sing it a certain way....is he close? at times....but he'll NEVER measure up...

I think this is moot though, because we're comparing him to Perry (mostly studio) 25 years ago. In other words, I just don't think it matters because its this or nothing because Perry is a ghost.

[Eric]

Now, let me throw out the singing issues and get to the 'moves' which are rather secondary and tertiary to me. The point I was making was that it looks like amateur night up there with arnel banging his head and acting like a kamakazi pilot that didn't get his chance to hari-kari. If any arneliot were a fan of this band prior to him joining, they'd know what I was talking about.....where even Augeri's wiggles exhibit a grace that vastly surpasses the stupid shit Arnel currently is doing up on the stage.

I have to disagree. I think he shows a ton of energy and youth up there....and most importantly...the crowd is eating it up.

[strangegrey]

So really, it all comes down to voice....does Arnel bring the magic that Perry brought? No..he doesn't. He sounds like someone that doesn't speak the language, who was coached to sing it a certain way....is he close? at times....but he'll NEVER measure up...

I think this is moot though, because we're comparing him to Perry (mostly studio) 25 years ago. In other words, I just don't think it matters because its this or nothing because Perry is a ghost.

That argument has been made by others...and I'll agree there's some merit to it. Comparing Perry's vocal ability in 1981 to what he could bring today....there is certainly a difference.

HOWEVER....that's not the comparison we as fans are obliged to make. Does Arnel measure up to the music that Perry made between 1978-1986. THAT'S the comparison that needs to be made here!

Is it unfair? Terribly! Tough shit, however. The fact remains that if Arnel doesn't do the music justice, he's subject to scrutiny.

There's a reason why long-standing fans are having a problem with this guy...he doesn't measure up to what Perry brought to the table when he was in the band. Simple as that. Arneliots will try to deflect that very simple and straight forward reason and try to make below-the-belt racist accusations.....but deep down, they fucking know it. Arnel can't do what Perry did to the music....and Arnel (and the carpetbaggers that came into this fanship after he joined) needs to square with that, one way or another.

thems the breaks. I didn't set this scenario up...Neal did.

I have to disagree. I think he shows a ton of energy and youth up there....and most importantly...the crowd is eating it up.

Energy is pointless if it's misdirected....and I'm not so sure I agree with you regarding the crowds. Journey is having a harder and harder time being a singular draw, not an easier time. The last time Journey toured without several big name co-headliners, was when Augeri was in the band. That's a fact...

[Eric]

That argument has been made by others...and I'll agree there's some merit to it. Comparing Perry's vocal ability in 1981 to what he could bring today....there is certainly a difference.

HOWEVER....that's not the comparison we as fans are obliged to make. Does Arnel measure up to the music that Perry made between 1978-1986. THAT'S the comparison that needs to be made here!

Is it unfair? Terribly! Tough shit, however. The fact remains that if Arnel doesn't do the music justice, he's subject to scrutiny.

There's a reason why long-standing fans are having a problem with this guy...he doesn't measure up to what Perry brought to the table when he was in the band. Simple as that. Arneliots will try to deflect that very simple and straight forward reason and try to make below-the-belt racist accusations.....but deep down, they fucking know it. Arnel can't do what Perry did to the music....and Arnel (and the carpetbaggers that came into this fanship after he joined) needs to square with that, one way or another.

thems the breaks. I didn't set this scenario up...Neal did.

All fair points. And, yeah, the diction issue many have is not racist and is completely valid...although...I couldn't understand what Perry was always saying here.

Energy is pointless if it's misdirected....and I'm not so sure I agree with you regarding the crowds. Journey is having a harder and harder time being a singular draw, not an easier time. The last time Journey toured without several big name co-headliners, was when Augeri was in the band. That's a fact...

I agree it can be pointless, but I'm digging it and he seems to have that chemistry with Schon....and I think if we examined 50 random crowds from the past 2 years and 50 random crowds from the previous 8 years we'd come to the conclusion that the crowds are much more into it now. I'm confused about your last point...Journey is touring mostly alone this summer? The 2 dates I'm interested in they are solo. And I think Augeri/JSS/Arnel have all built the crowds up. I've seen them get bigger and bigger each summer (excluding 2002 and 2004). 2005 they averaged 6,800 ALONE...and I think thats tremendous these days in an era where kids aren't as stoked about shows as we were/are. I know it was a triple bill last year, but they sold out 60% of the shows...whereas Arrival really struggled in most markets. I went to a sold out show last year (well in advance) in the same venue that drew about 30% capacity for Arrival.