Journey - San Manuel Amphitheater

[ScarabGator]

same old arnel shit.

Dude, Arnel shouldn't be your target. hat guy is great. Humble, appreciative and so forth. it's the band he's with and his obnoxious fans who are the problem.

They sincerely believe AP should have been the Super Bowl Halftime Show last year and that he is better than Steve Perry.

His fans are the dickheads, not him.

PS- The Springsteen fans got wind of the Pineda uproar (Super Bowl BS)and basically laughed it off. They all basically said that Journey was a cool band and that Pineda had pipes, but stopped there. Journey will never play the Super Bowl.

Dean, I know this poor sap has been hung out to dry by the band. I hate it for him because I do think hes a nice guy. But I hate this version of Journey. The Super Bowl was my final nail...eyes rolling into his head like hes just inhaled some Dutch Boy paint.

[Rockindeano]

same old arnel shit.

Dude, Arnel shouldn't be your target. hat guy is great. Humble, appreciative and so forth. it's the band he's with and his obnoxious fans who are the problem.

They sincerely believe AP should have been the Super Bowl Halftime Show last year and that he is better than Steve Perry.

His fans are the dickheads, not him.

PS- The Springsteen fans got wind of the Pineda uproar (Super Bowl BS)and basically laughed it off. They all basically said that Journey was a cool band and that Pineda had pipes, but stopped there. Journey will never play the Super Bowl.

Dean, I know this poor sap has been hung out to dry by the band. I hate it for him because I do think hes a nice guy. But I hate this version of Journey. The Super Bowl was my final nail...eyes rolling into his head like hes just inhaled some Dutch Boy paint.

Well, ok, but I am trying to say, AP can definitely sing, and the band will always be good...see, I hate em, but you will never see me diminish their talent. They are in fact pretty fuckin good. AP is a great story.

It's his hardcore fans that make me laugh. He is no Steve Perry and sure as fuck ain't no Bruce Springsteen.

[ScarabGator]

same old arnel shit.

Dude, Arnel shouldn't be your target. hat guy is great. Humble, appreciative and so forth. it's the band he's with and his obnoxious fans who are the problem.

They sincerely believe AP should have been the Super Bowl Halftime Show last year and that he is better than Steve Perry.

His fans are the dickheads, not him.

PS- The Springsteen fans got wind of the Pineda uproar (Super Bowl BS)and basically laughed it off. They all basically said that Journey was a cool band and that Pineda had pipes, but stopped there. Journey will never play the Super Bowl.

Dean, I know this poor sap has been hung out to dry by the band. I hate it for him because I do think hes a nice guy. But I hate this version of Journey. The Super Bowl was my final nail...eyes rolling into his head like hes just inhaled some Dutch Boy paint.

Well, ok, but I am trying to say, AP can definitely sing, and the band will always be good...see, I hate em, but wil NEVER diminish their talent. they are in fact pretty fuckin good. AP is a great story.

It's his hardcore fans that make me laugh. He is no Steve Perry and sure as fuck ain't no Bruce Springsteen.

D, in his wildest dreams he wouldnt hold a candle to Perry. Those fans who say hes better or compares equally makes me wanna yakk. Theres a bunch on here who thinks hes the 2nd coming of Steve Perry and to them I say watch the 1981 DVD again. Thats a showman, thats a talent. Their boy Arnel doesnt come close. Hes a bar band singer.

[steveo777]

same old arnel shit.

Dude, Arnel shouldn't be your target. hat guy is great. Humble, appreciative and so forth. it's the band he's with and his obnoxious fans who are the problem.

They sincerely believe AP should have been the Super Bowl Halftime Show last year and that he is better than Steve Perry.

His fans are the dickheads, not him.

PS- The Springsteen fans got wind of the Pineda uproar (Super Bowl BS)and basically laughed it off. They all basically said that Journey was a cool band and that Pineda had pipes, but stopped there. Journey will never play the Super Bowl.

Dean, I know this poor sap has been hung out to dry by the band. I hate it for him because I do think hes a nice guy. But I hate this version of Journey. The Super Bowl was my final nail...eyes rolling into his head like hes just inhaled some Dutch Boy paint.

I'll phone Neal and I'm sure he'll fix this for you, stat. If you let that one Super Bowl performance form your eternal opinion of this lineup, you have short changed yourself. Have you paid any attention to any of the tour this year?

[Rockindeano]

same old arnel shit.

Dude, Arnel shouldn't be your target. hat guy is great. Humble, appreciative and so forth. it's the band he's with and his obnoxious fans who are the problem.

They sincerely believe AP should have been the Super Bowl Halftime Show last year and that he is better than Steve Perry.

His fans are the dickheads, not him.

PS- The Springsteen fans got wind of the Pineda uproar (Super Bowl BS)and basically laughed it off. They all basically said that Journey was a cool band and that Pineda had pipes, but stopped there. Journey will never play the Super Bowl.

Dean, I know this poor sap has been hung out to dry by the band. I hate it for him because I do think hes a nice guy. But I hate this version of Journey. The Super Bowl was my final nail...eyes rolling into his head like hes just inhaled some Dutch Boy paint.

I'll phone Neal and I'm sure he'll fix this for you, stat. If you let that one Super Bowl performance form your eternal opinion of this lineup, you have short changed yourself. Have you paid any attention to any of the tour this year?

I have Neal's number.

[ScarabGator]

same old arnel shit.

Dude, Arnel shouldn't be your target. hat guy is great. Humble, appreciative and so forth. it's the band he's with and his obnoxious fans who are the problem.

They sincerely believe AP should have been the Super Bowl Halftime Show last year and that he is better than Steve Perry.

His fans are the dickheads, not him.

PS- The Springsteen fans got wind of the Pineda uproar (Super Bowl BS)and basically laughed it off. They all basically said that Journey was a cool band and that Pineda had pipes, but stopped there. Journey will never play the Super Bowl.

Dean, I know this poor sap has been hung out to dry by the band. I hate it for him because I do think hes a nice guy. But I hate this version of Journey. The Super Bowl was my final nail...eyes rolling into his head like hes just inhaled some Dutch Boy paint.

I'll phone Neal and I'm sure he'll fix this for you, stat. If you let that one Super Bowl performance form your eternal opinion of this lineup, you have short changed yourself. Have you paid any attention to any of the tours this year?

I went to the show in Atlanta last September. I have the Revelations DVD. That was my 4th Journey show. It wasnt my first rodeo. And while your phoning neal tell him I said "UP YOURS!!!".

[ScarabGator]

same old arnel shit.

Dude, Arnel shouldn't be your target. hat guy is great. Humble, appreciative and so forth. it's the band he's with and his obnoxious fans who are the problem.

They sincerely believe AP should have been the Super Bowl Halftime Show last year and that he is better than Steve Perry.

His fans are the dickheads, not him.

PS- The Springsteen fans got wind of the Pineda uproar (Super Bowl BS)and basically laughed it off. They all basically said that Journey was a cool band and that Pineda had pipes, but stopped there. Journey will never play the Super Bowl.

Dean, I know this poor sap has been hung out to dry by the band. I hate it for him because I do think hes a nice guy. But I hate this version of Journey. The Super Bowl was my final nail...eyes rolling into his head like hes just inhaled some Dutch Boy paint.

I'll phone Neal and I'm sure he'll fix this for you, stat. If you let that one Super Bowl performance form your eternal opinion of this lineup, you have short changed yourself. Have you paid any attention to any of the tour this year?

I have Neal's number.

Dean, phone that prick and ask him if hes still huffing paint.

[steveo777]

same old arnel shit.

Dude, Arnel shouldn't be your target. hat guy is great. Humble, appreciative and so forth. it's the band he's with and his obnoxious fans who are the problem.

They sincerely believe AP should have been the Super Bowl Halftime Show last year and that he is better than Steve Perry.

His fans are the dickheads, not him.

PS- The Springsteen fans got wind of the Pineda uproar (Super Bowl BS)and basically laughed it off. They all basically said that Journey was a cool band and that Pineda had pipes, but stopped there. Journey will never play the Super Bowl.

Dean, I know this poor sap has been hung out to dry by the band. I hate it for him because I do think hes a nice guy. But I hate this version of Journey. The Super Bowl was my final nail...eyes rolling into his head like hes just inhaled some Dutch Boy paint.

I'll phone Neal and I'm sure he'll fix this for you, stat. If you let that one Super Bowl performance form your eternal opinion of this lineup, you have short changed yourself. Have you paid any attention to any of the tour this year?

I have Neal's number.

I understand you have had his number for a long time. Is he number 1 or number 2 to you Dean? ( I joke man)

[Rockindeano]

same old arnel shit.

Dude, Arnel shouldn't be your target. hat guy is great. Humble, appreciative and so forth. it's the band he's with and his obnoxious fans who are the problem.

They sincerely believe AP should have been the Super Bowl Halftime Show last year and that he is better than Steve Perry.

His fans are the dickheads, not him.

PS- The Springsteen fans got wind of the Pineda uproar (Super Bowl BS)and basically laughed it off. They all basically said that Journey was a cool band and that Pineda had pipes, but stopped there. Journey will never play the Super Bowl.

Dean, I know this poor sap has been hung out to dry by the band. I hate it for him because I do think hes a nice guy. But I hate this version of Journey. The Super Bowl was my final nail...eyes rolling into his head like hes just inhaled some Dutch Boy paint.

I'll phone Neal and I'm sure he'll fix this for you, stat. If you let that one Super Bowl performance form your eternal opinion of this lineup, you have short changed yourself. Have you paid any attention to any of the tour this year?

I have Neal's number.

I understand you have had his number for a long time. Is he number 1 or number 2 to you Dean? ( I joke man)

You know, seriously- I will share this. Neal was VERY cool to me. He and the band did stuff with me I will NEVER share here, and will never tell about. There is a guy code conduct and as much as I am pissed at them, will never throw them under the train.

Neal is great when you are on his team. When an opponent, he is an asshole

To you Journey fans, they are hitting on all 8 cylinders now. Enjoy the ride.

[RocknRoll]

same old arnel shit.

Dude, Arnel shouldn't be your target. hat guy is great. Humble, appreciative and so forth. it's the band he's with and his obnoxious fans who are the problem.

They sincerely believe AP should have been the Super Bowl Halftime Show last year and that he is better than Steve Perry.

His fans are the dickheads, not him.

PS- The Springsteen fans got wind of the Pineda uproar (Super Bowl BS)and basically laughed it off. They all basically said that Journey was a cool band and that Pineda had pipes, but stopped there. Journey will never play the Super Bowl.

Dean, I know this poor sap has been hung out to dry by the band. I hate it for him because I do think hes a nice guy. But I hate this version of Journey. The Super Bowl was my final nail...eyes rolling into his head like hes just inhaled some Dutch Boy paint.

I'll phone Neal and I'm sure he'll fix this for you, stat. If you let that one Super Bowl performance form your eternal opinion of this lineup, you have short changed yourself. Have you paid any attention to any of the tour this year?

Steve - I saw Journey many times last year and have already seen him a couple times this year with a couple more to come. I still hold AP responsible for undermining a HUGE opportunity for Journey at the SuperBowl party. While Journey was in Florida reheasing where was AP? Doing solo shows screwing up his timing with the band and when he gets to Florida tired after a coast to coast flight rather than resting or getting together with the band he is out cultivating AP fans.

After that performance in front of 25 million people, Journey will never be asked to play the SuperBowl. I've never turned around and walked out of the room during a Journey televised performance, but I did for this one. I still love Journey and appreciate AP but feel he really let the band down on this one.

[Rockindeano]

same old arnel shit.

Dude, Arnel shouldn't be your target. hat guy is great. Humble, appreciative and so forth. it's the band he's with and his obnoxious fans who are the problem.

They sincerely believe AP should have been the Super Bowl Halftime Show last year and that he is better than Steve Perry.

His fans are the dickheads, not him.

PS- The Springsteen fans got wind of the Pineda uproar (Super Bowl BS)and basically laughed it off. They all basically said that Journey was a cool band and that Pineda had pipes, but stopped there. Journey will never play the Super Bowl.

Dean, I know this poor sap has been hung out to dry by the band. I hate it for him because I do think hes a nice guy. But I hate this version of Journey. The Super Bowl was my final nail...eyes rolling into his head like hes just inhaled some Dutch Boy paint.

I'll phone Neal and I'm sure he'll fix this for you, stat. If you let that one Super Bowl performance form your eternal opinion of this lineup, you have short changed yourself. Have you paid any attention to any of the tour this year?

Steve - I saw Journey many times last year and have already seen him a couple times this year with a couple more to come. I still hold AP responsible for undermining a HUGE opportunity for Journey at the SuperBowl party. While Journey was in Florida rehearsing where was AP? Doing solo shows screwing up his timing with the band and when he gets to Florida tired after a coast to coast flight rather than resting or getting together with the band he is out cultivating AP fans.

After that performance in front of 25 million people, Journey will never be asked to play the SuperBowl. I've never turned around and walked out of the room during a Journey televised performance, but I did for this one. I still love Journey and appreciate AP but feel he really let the band down on this one.

The FIRST Honest post I have ever seen from an AP fan.


Well done. He DID let the band down, big time. They were awful that day. But ask the Pinheads and they will tell you he could wipe the floor with Springsteen, who by the way, was there for weeks rehearsing his own show, and acting PROFESSIONAL. That's the difference between Bruce and Arnel- One has been there and acts the part, and the other is green behind the ears. If I was AP, I would contact Bruce and just talk to him. That conversation could really help him- a lot. I can promise you Bruce would take the call and listen and talk to Arnel.

[steveo777]

same old arnel shit.

Dude, Arnel shouldn't be your target. hat guy is great. Humble, appreciative and so forth. it's the band he's with and his obnoxious fans who are the problem.

They sincerely believe AP should have been the Super Bowl Halftime Show last year and that he is better than Steve Perry.

His fans are the dickheads, not him.

PS- The Springsteen fans got wind of the Pineda uproar (Super Bowl BS)and basically laughed it off. They all basically said that Journey was a cool band and that Pineda had pipes, but stopped there. Journey will never play the Super Bowl.

Dean, I know this poor sap has been hung out to dry by the band. I hate it for him because I do think hes a nice guy. But I hate this version of Journey. The Super Bowl was my final nail...eyes rolling into his head like hes just inhaled some Dutch Boy paint.

I'll phone Neal and I'm sure he'll fix this for you, stat. If you let that one Super Bowl performance form your eternal opinion of this lineup, you have short changed yourself. Have you paid any attention to any of the tour this year?

Steve - I saw Journey many times last year and have already seen him a couple times this year with a couple more to come. I still hold AP responsible for undermining a HUGE opportunity for Journey at the SuperBowl party. While Journey was in Florida reheasing where was AP? Doing solo shows screwing up his timing with the band and when he gets to Florida tired after a coast to coast flight rather than resting or getting together with the band he is out cultivating AP fans.

After that performance in front of 25 million people, Journey will never be asked to play the SuperBowl. I've never turned around and walked out of the room during a Journey televised performance, but I did for this one. I still love Journey and appreciate AP but feel he really let the band down on this one.

Ok, I felt that way too, but I'm not going to hold a grudge. People are not infallable. Yes, that was bad judgement on AP's part, but the rest of his handlers also let this happen. Neal and management could have put the kibash on those outside activities. I feel they are as much to blame as AP.

[RocknRoll]

Ok, I felt that way too, but I'm not going to hold a grudge. People are not infallable. Yes, that was bad judgement on AP's part, but the rest of his handlers also let this happen. Neal and management could have put the kibash on those outside activities. I feel they are as much to blame as AP.

I don't know what a handler is? I'm sure this is what AP wanted to do and gave assurances to Neal and the rest of the band, so in the interest of peace in the band and catering to AP they let it go on. Who knows maybe AP and HIS manager who probably wanted to do sole shows where he is in control were using ultimatums, pure speculation of course.

Regardless, AP obviously learned from this experience and has come back stronger than ever. He's doing another fabulous job on tour this year.

[Don]

A lot of reviews I'm reading about this place say it the worse venue ever. If anyone hasn't bought tickets yet and want to go, pay for regular seating. Do not sit in the lawn. It's not built for stage viewing from there. you'll have to rely on the video screens. Wear shoes that are good for walking as parking is a country mile from the gate. Getting in the place requires a long walk that is uphill so be prepared. Anyone who has been to San Manuel Casino knws it's in the middle of nowhere.

See the dots. That is where General admission tickets end for regular shows. The full 65k capacity is for festivals. You can sit beyond there but they're not selling tickets beyond the capacity of those points unless it's a big time show.

[Rockindeano]

A lot of reviews I'm reading about this place say it the worse venue ever. If anyone hasn't bought tickets yet and want to go, pay for regular seating. Do not sit in the lawn. It's not built for stage viewing from there. you'll have to rely on the video screens. Wear shoes that are good for walking. getting in the place requires a long walk that is uphill so be prepared. Anyone who has been to Samanuel Casino knws it's in the middle of nowhere.

See the dots. That is where General admission tickets end for regular shows. The full 65k capacity is for festivals. You can sit beyond there but they're not selling tickets beyond the capacity of those points unless it's a big time show.

Like I said, you won't see tickets sold for the grass. They will be lucky to sell out the blue seats......though I doubt it.

[RocknRoll]

A lot of reviews I'm reading about this place say it the worse venue ever. If anyone hasn't bought tickets yet and want to go, pay for regular seating. Do not sit in the lawn. It's not built for stage viewing from there. you'll have to rely on the video screens. Wear shoes that are good for walking. getting in the place requires a long walk that is uphill so be prepared. Anyone who has been to Samanuel Casino knws it's in the middle of nowhere.

See the dots. That is where General admission tickets end for regular shows. The full 65k capacity is for festivals. You can sit beyond there but they're not selling tickets beyond the capacity of those points unless it's a big time show.

Like I said, you won't see tickets sold for the grass. They will be lucky to sell out the blue seats......though I doubt it.

Blue seats are already basically sold out. (15,000+) Someone reported 20,000 lawn seats sold. Can't verify until after the show what the sales actually were.

[Jana]

Ok, I felt that way too, but I'm not going to hold a grudge. People are not infallable. Yes, that was bad judgement on AP's part, but the rest of his handlers also let this happen. Neal and management could have put the kibash on those outside activities. I feel they are as much to blame as AP.

I don't know what a handler is? I'm sure this is what AP wanted to do and gave assurances to Neal and the rest of the band, so in the interest of peace in the band and catering to AP they let it go on. Who knows maybe AP and HIS manager who probably wanted to do sole shows where he is in control were using ultimatums, pure speculation of course.

Regardless, AP obviously learned from this experience and has come back stronger than ever. He's doing a fabulous job this year.

It was charity concerts set up way b/f the gig with Superbowl was set. I believe he cancelled one when the SB was set, but not Friday's. He was not the main artist for the concert, Lani was, but he was a featured singer, who of course was the big draw. He did fly in and was there Saturday and Sunday, of course. I remember Jonathan Cain mentioned on a radio show they were requiring them to be there two days and he thought it was silly but whatever. I believe Jon and Neal were too lax about it also b/c it's songs they've done so often and didn't foresee what happened. I don't think they had a problem with Arnel's Friday concert. Big mistake in hindsight by all parties.

And, yes, Arnel is doing a fabulous job this year.

[Rockindeano]

A lot of reviews I'm reading about this place say it the worse venue ever. If anyone hasn't bought tickets yet and want to go, pay for regular seating. Do not sit in the lawn. It's not built for stage viewing from there. you'll have to rely on the video screens. Wear shoes that are good for walking. getting in the place requires a long walk that is uphill so be prepared. Anyone who has been to Samanuel Casino knws it's in the middle of nowhere.

See the dots. That is where General admission tickets end for regular shows. The full 65k capacity is for festivals. You can sit beyond there but they're not selling tickets beyond the capacity of those points unless it's a big time show.

Like I said, you won't see tickets sold for the grass. They will be lucky to sell out the blue seats......though I doubt it.

Blue seats are already basically sold out. (15,000+) Someone reported 20,000 lawn seats sold. Can't verify until after the show what the sales actually were.

Horseshit. Prove it. NO fucking Way is the grass sold out. No fucking way.

[steveo777]

A lot of reviews I'm reading about this place say it the worse venue ever. If anyone hasn't bought tickets yet and want to go, pay for regular seating. Do not sit in the lawn. It's not built for stage viewing from there. you'll have to rely on the video screens. Wear shoes that are good for walking. getting in the place requires a long walk that is uphill so be prepared. Anyone who has been to Samanuel Casino knws it's in the middle of nowhere.

See the dots. That is where General admission tickets end for regular shows. The full 65k capacity is for festivals. You can sit beyond there but they're not selling tickets beyond the capacity of those points unless it's a big time show.

Like I said, you won't see tickets sold for the grass. They will be lucky to sell out the blue seats......though I doubt it.

Blue seats are already basically sold out. (15,000+) Someone reported 20,000 lawn seats sold. Can't verify until after the show what the sales actually were.

Horseshit. Prove it. NO fucking Way is the grass sold out. No fucking way.

How do we find out? If there's 35,000 people in this concert hell has frozen over and the seas have parted. It would be pretty spectacular. Can you imagine the energy there?

[Saint John]

How do we find out? If there's 35,000 people in this concert hell has frozen over and the seas have parted. It would be pretty spectacular. Can you imagine the energy there?

Chicago had 26,000 last year. I spoke directly to the head of security during the 5 star pre-show festivities. And that was with no walkups because it rained like a motherfucker the entire day and throughout the concert. Terrible weather. I felt sorry for the people on the lawn, and I think Arnel did too because he sent many shouts of gratitude out to them.

[Don]

I've been to past shows there when it was the Glen Helen/Hyundia/Blockbuster Pavilion. They usually cap the lawn seats between 5 and 10k for regular shows because people bring their lawnchairs and blankets and like to spread out. I've always been in the blue seats and when I've looked back, the lawn isn't really that much higher than the front seats as it's not in a bowl like a lot of amphitheaters. As long as there is no wind, the sound is great but if there is wind, sitting on the lawn has to suck I would think.
Note: The security is hard core as it's on tribal land and will pepperspray your ass if you get stupid.

[Chubby321]

same old arnel shit.

Dude, Arnel shouldn't be your target. hat guy is great. Humble, appreciative and so forth. it's the band he's with and his obnoxious fans who are the problem.

They sincerely believe AP should have been the Super Bowl Halftime Show last year and that he is better than Steve Perry.

His fans are the dickheads, not him.

PS- The Springsteen fans got wind of the Pineda uproar (Super Bowl BS)and basically laughed it off. They all basically said that Journey was a cool band and that Pineda had pipes, but stopped there. Journey will never play the Super Bowl.

Dean, I know this poor sap has been hung out to dry by the band. I hate it for him because I do think hes a nice guy. But I hate this version of Journey. The Super Bowl was my final nail...eyes rolling into his head like hes just inhaled some Dutch Boy paint.

Well, ok, but I am trying to say, AP can definitely sing, and the band will always be good...see, I hate em, but wil NEVER diminish their talent. they are in fact pretty fuckin good. AP is a great story.

It's his hardcore fans that make me laugh. He is no Steve Perry and sure as fuck ain't no Bruce Springsteen.

D, in his wildest dreams he wouldnt hold a candle to Perry. Those fans who say hes better or compares equally makes me wanna yakk. Theres a bunch on here who thinks hes the 2nd coming of Steve Perry and to them I say watch the 1981 DVD again. Thats a showman, thats a talent. Their boy Arnel doesnt come close. Hes a bar band singer.

What's wrong with being a bar band singer? Many famous singers started from small bars, right? You made it sound like being a bar band singer is bad.

As longs as Perry fans are criticizing Arnel and Arnel fans criticizing Perry, this comparison crap will never end. Good or bad, you cannot expect Arnel fans to keep quiet while their idol is being called a monkey or whatever, and vice-versa. We are not saying Arnel is the second coming, but let's be honest, the band is getting a second life, maybe nowhere near Perry's era but still worth noting.

There will always be fans who are overzealous no matter what.

[RocknRoll]

It was charity concerts set up way b/f the gig with Superbowl was set. I believe he cancelled one when the SB was set, but not Friday's. He was not the main artist for the concert, Lani was, but he was a featured singer, who of course was the big draw. He did fly in and was there Saturday and Sunday, of course. I remember Jonathan Cain mentioned on a radio show they were requiring them to be there two days and he thought it was silly but whatever. I believe Jon and Neal were too lax about it also b/c it's songs they've done so often and didn't foresee what happened. I don't think they had a problem with Arnel's Friday concert. Big mistake in hindsight by all parties.

And, yes, Arnel is doing a fabulous job this year.

Jana - I'm certainly not one to argue with you since we are ususally on the same side except where it comes to U2. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

They were sitll monekying around with venues even after the SuperBowl was annouced. I'm sure if AP had insisted the whole mini-tour with Lani could have been rescheduled. I just question AP's priorities on this one. Also, I heard the radio interview with Jon as well and he was led into making that statement. Folks also heard Journey onstage saturday going through the setlist without AP.

Anyway, 'nuff said and water under the bridge.

Rock on Journey.

[Don]

same old arnel shit.

Dude, Arnel shouldn't be your target. hat guy is great. Humble, appreciative and so forth. it's the band he's with and his obnoxious fans who are the problem.

They sincerely believe AP should have been the Super Bowl Halftime Show last year and that he is better than Steve Perry.

His fans are the dickheads, not him.

PS- The Springsteen fans got wind of the Pineda uproar (Super Bowl BS)and basically laughed it off. They all basically said that Journey was a cool band and that Pineda had pipes, but stopped there. Journey will never play the Super Bowl.

Dean, I know this poor sap has been hung out to dry by the band. I hate it for him because I do think hes a nice guy. But I hate this version of Journey. The Super Bowl was my final nail...eyes rolling into his head like hes just inhaled some Dutch Boy paint.

Well, ok, but I am trying to say, AP can definitely sing, and the band will always be good...see, I hate em, but wil NEVER diminish their talent. they are in fact pretty fuckin good. AP is a great story.

It's his hardcore fans that make me laugh. He is no Steve Perry and sure as fuck ain't no Bruce Springsteen.

D, in his wildest dreams he wouldnt hold a candle to Perry. Those fans who say hes better or compares equally makes me wanna yakk. Theres a bunch on here who thinks hes the 2nd coming of Steve Perry and to them I say watch the 1981 DVD again. Thats a showman, thats a talent. Their boy Arnel doesnt come close. Hes a bar band singer.

What's wrong with being a bar band singer? Many famous singers started from small bars, right? You made it sound like being a bar band singer is bad.

As longs as Perry fans are criticizing Arnel and Arnel fans criticizing Perry, this comparison crap will never end. Good or bad, you cannot expect Arnel fans to keep quiet while their idol is being called a monkey or whatever, and vice-versa. We are not saying Arnel is the second coming, but let's be honest, the band is getting a second life, maybe nowhere near Perry's era but still worth noting.

There will always be fans who are overzealous no matter what.

The only one I've heard publically call him a monkey was Filipino singer Freddie Aguilar. I don't know if he's a Perry fan or not though.

[Jana]

It was charity concerts set up way b/f the gig with Superbowl was set. I believe he cancelled one when the SB was set, but not Friday's. He was not the main artist for the concert, Lani was, but he was a featured singer, who of course was the big draw. He did fly in and was there Saturday and Sunday, of course. I remember Jonathan Cain mentioned on a radio show they were requiring them to be there two days and he thought it was silly but whatever. I believe Jon and Neal were too lax about it also b/c it's songs they've done so often and didn't foresee what happened. I don't think they had a problem with Arnel's Friday concert. Big mistake in hindsight by all parties.

And, yes, Arnel is doing a fabulous job this year.

Jana - I'm certainly not one to argue with you since we are ususally on the same side except where it comes to U2. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

They were sitll monekying around with venues even after the SuperBowl was annouced. I'm sure if AP had insisted the whole mini-tour with Lani could have been rescheduled. I just question AP's priorities on this one. Also, I heard the radio interview with Jon as well and he was led into making that statement. Folks also heard Journey onstage saturday going through the setlist without AP.

Anyway, 'nuff said and water under the bridge.

Rock on Journey.

Don't worry. I wasn't arguing. I've always said it was a mistake and Friday should have been cancelled.

Give U2 a chance. They've got an amazing catalogue of songs.

[steveo777]

It was charity concerts set up way b/f the gig with Superbowl was set. I believe he cancelled one when the SB was set, but not Friday's. He was not the main artist for the concert, Lani was, but he was a featured singer, who of course was the big draw. He did fly in and was there Saturday and Sunday, of course. I remember Jonathan Cain mentioned on a radio show they were requiring them to be there two days and he thought it was silly but whatever. I believe Jon and Neal were too lax about it also b/c it's songs they've done so often and didn't foresee what happened. I don't think they had a problem with Arnel's Friday concert. Big mistake in hindsight by all parties.

And, yes, Arnel is doing a fabulous job this year.

Jana - I'm certainly not one to argue with you since we are ususally on the same side except where it comes to U2. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

They were sitll monekying around with venues even after the SuperBowl was annouced. I'm sure if AP had insisted the whole mini-tour with Lani could have been rescheduled. I just question AP's priorities on this one. Also, I heard the radio interview with Jon as well and he was led into making that statement. Folks also heard Journey onstage saturday going through the setlist without AP.

Anyway, 'nuff said and water under the bridge.

Rock on Journey.

Don't worry. I wasn't arguing. I've always said it was a mistake and Friday should have been cancelled.

Give U2 a chance. They've got an amazing catalogue of songs.

Who? Call me terrible, but for all my years on this planet I can't name one U2 song off the top of my head. I have mixed the name up with UB40. I must have lead a sheltered life.

[Rockindeano]

Give U2 a chance. They've got an amazing catalogue of songs.

Their album is fucking terrible. Pure shit. And you have to admit that.

I bought that POS and intermediately fired it into the garbage can.

[Chubby321]

same old arnel shit.

Dude, Arnel shouldn't be your target. hat guy is great. Humble, appreciative and so forth. it's the band he's with and his obnoxious fans who are the problem.

They sincerely believe AP should have been the Super Bowl Halftime Show last year and that he is better than Steve Perry.

His fans are the dickheads, not him.

PS- The Springsteen fans got wind of the Pineda uproar (Super Bowl BS)and basically laughed it off. They all basically said that Journey was a cool band and that Pineda had pipes, but stopped there. Journey will never play the Super Bowl.

Dean, I know this poor sap has been hung out to dry by the band. I hate it for him because I do think hes a nice guy. But I hate this version of Journey. The Super Bowl was my final nail...eyes rolling into his head like hes just inhaled some Dutch Boy paint.

Well, ok, but I am trying to say, AP can definitely sing, and the band will always be good...see, I hate em, but wil NEVER diminish their talent. they are in fact pretty fuckin good. AP is a great story.

It's his hardcore fans that make me laugh. He is no Steve Perry and sure as fuck ain't no Bruce Springsteen.

D, in his wildest dreams he wouldnt hold a candle to Perry. Those fans who say hes better or compares equally makes me wanna yakk. Theres a bunch on here who thinks hes the 2nd coming of Steve Perry and to them I say watch the 1981 DVD again. Thats a showman, thats a talent. Their boy Arnel doesnt come close. Hes a bar band singer.

What's wrong with being a bar band singer? Many famous singers started from small bars, right? You made it sound like being a bar band singer is bad.

As longs as Perry fans are criticizing Arnel and Arnel fans criticizing Perry, this comparison crap will never end. Good or bad, you cannot expect Arnel fans to keep quiet while their idol is being called a monkey or whatever, and vice-versa. We are not saying Arnel is the second coming, but let's be honest, the band is getting a second life, maybe nowhere near Perry's era but still worth noting.

There will always be fans who are overzealous no matter what.

The only one I've heard publically call him a monkey was Filipino singer Freddie Aguilar. I don't know if he's a Perry fan or not though.

That was just recently, I meant when he was first hired.

By the way, yes that stupid Freddie called Arnel a monkey, but he lost all respect and whatever street cred he might still have. Good for him, he's a stupid fuck.

Although Arnel will not approve of me saying this, but calling Freddie a stupid fuck without being censored felt really good.

[Jana]

It was charity concerts set up way b/f the gig with Superbowl was set. I believe he cancelled one when the SB was set, but not Friday's. He was not the main artist for the concert, Lani was, but he was a featured singer, who of course was the big draw. He did fly in and was there Saturday and Sunday, of course. I remember Jonathan Cain mentioned on a radio show they were requiring them to be there two days and he thought it was silly but whatever. I believe Jon and Neal were too lax about it also b/c it's songs they've done so often and didn't foresee what happened. I don't think they had a problem with Arnel's Friday concert. Big mistake in hindsight by all parties.

And, yes, Arnel is doing a fabulous job this year.

Jana - I'm certainly not one to argue with you since we are ususally on the same side except where it comes to U2. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

They were sitll monekying around with venues even after the SuperBowl was annouced. I'm sure if AP had insisted the whole mini-tour with Lani could have been rescheduled. I just question AP's priorities on this one. Also, I heard the radio interview with Jon as well and he was led into making that statement. Folks also heard Journey onstage saturday going through the setlist without AP.

Anyway, 'nuff said and water under the bridge.

Rock on Journey.

Don't worry. I wasn't arguing. I've always said it was a mistake and Friday should have been cancelled.

Give U2 a chance. They've got an amazing catalogue of songs.

Who? Call me terrible, but for all my years on this planet I can't name one U2 song off the top of my head. I have mixed the name up with UB40. I must have lead a sheltered life.

Good God, Steveo.

Beautiful Day
Sunday Bloody Sunday
New Year's Day
I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For
Pride
With Or Without You
One
The Fly
Lemon
Kite
One Tree Hill
Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses
Love is Blindness
Vertigo

On and on and on and on.

[Jana]

Give U2 a chance. They've got an amazing catalogue of songs.

Their album is fucking terrible. Pure shit. And you have to admit that.

I bought that POS and intermediately fired it into the garbage can.

It wasn't their best. There's some songs on it I like, not many, but the problem also is his voice is going and he needs to go to his lower register, as his upper register is thin sounding now.