President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Eric]

This worst case scenario type logic can be applied equally to any crisis, from 9-11 to the current economic mess.

Agreed....but I think may of us had that worse case panic.

Some would argue about whether the immediate action was truly needed, but I agree for the most part.
The deficit may be a problem in the long run, but for right now, the objective is to get the economy up and running.
If that involves temporary government deficit spending in place of non-existent private sector spending, so be it.

Okay...but there is too much non-stimulating action taking place (thats what she said)

18 million is still unacceptable.
Medicare has some problems, but by and large, old folks seem happy with it.
Raise the top marginal tax back to what it was under Reagan’s first term and call it a day.
End of story.

I agree that 18 million is, but lets recognize this as a fixable problem, without going the Universal way, which again is what Obama wants based on his past writings, speeches, trainings and beliefs.

No tax increases. In fact, here in upstate if you cut property taxes in half there would be BOOM...A BOOM I SAY.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You are the one who might need a history class.

As the GOP is so fond of saying, business owners provide jobs.
The majority of voters are not business owners, they are wage earners, and the private sector is currently on its back.
Public sector is filling the void, or so the theory goes.

[RedWingFan]

However, I believe the modern GOP would oppose anything Obama did short of tax cuts, which he included in the stimulus anyways.

Surely you're not referring to that $13 or $19 a week or month, whatever it was. That was not a rate cut. Just money the Bamster and the other royalty in Washington granted us the privilege of holding onto until income tax time when they'd take it right back.

[RedWingFan]

Public sector is filling the void, or so the theory goes.

Yeah that theory has littered the dustbin of history with failures like the Bamster's policies.

[DrFU]

Happy 48th, Mr. President.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4SLSlSmW74

[Rockindeano]

Public sector is filling the void, or so the theory goes.

Yeah that theory has littered the dustbin of history with failures like the Bamster's policies.

Bullshit. Government TODAY has a role quite different than in 1776, and a lot different than you Cons want it to be. The Government, thanks to the politics of divide generated by the fucking right, have to step in an provide essential services that the unfortunate in this country need to survive on. I know not one Goddamned one of you Cons gives two shits about pregnant teens, out of work and starving factory and manufacturing workers, homeless Vets or anyone else not making 100 ger a year. Fortunately, the party in power does give a shit and is doing something about it. I say fuck em Obama, ram your agenda through. Obama invited those sonsofbitches over to hear their thoughts, ideas and such, and got nothing but a lying handshake and a stonewalling attitude. Fuck em. Ram health care through. Raise taxes on the rich. Increase public services where and when needed and be compassionate. if you don't like taxes, and the movement to secure the Greater Good in America, then fly the fuck outta here to some private island.

The Bamster is far from failing. You however, can keep hoping and wishing for that. I am sure you pray deeply for an Obama failure.

[RedWingFan]

Public sector is filling the void, or so the theory goes.

Yeah that theory has littered the dustbin of history with failures like the Bamster's policies.

I know not one Goddamned one of you Cons gives two shits about pregnant teens, out of work and starving factory and manufacturing workers

That's funny seeing how I work in a manufacturing plant owned by TRW Automotive......Dean.

if you don't like taxes, and the movement to secure the Greater Good in America, then fly the fuck outta here to some private island.

Dean, if Canada's, France's or any other foreign socialist governments are so great, why not move there? Seriously? Why must you ruin America? Conservatives are trying to preserve what made America great. Wouldn't it just be easier to move to any number of "Eden's" that already exist in the world?

[RossValoryRocks]

Public sector is filling the void, or so the theory goes.

Yeah that theory has littered the dustbin of history with failures like the Bamster's policies.

Bullshit. Government TODAY has a role quite different than in 1776, and a lot different than you Cons want it to be. The Government, thanks to the politics of divide generated by the fucking right, have to step in an provide essential services that the unfortunate in this country need to survive on. I know not one Goddamned one of you Cons gives two shits about pregnant teens, out of work and starving factory and manufacturing workers, homeless Vets or anyone else not making 100 ger a year. Fortunately, the party in power does give a shit and is doing something about it. I say fuck em Obama, ram your agenda through. Obama invited those sonsofbitches over to hear their thoughts, ideas and such, and got nothing but a lying handshake and a stonewalling attitude. Fuck em. Ram health care through. Raise taxes on the rich. Increase public services where and when needed and be compassionate. if you don't like taxes, and the movement to secure the Greater Good in America, then fly the fuck outta here to some private island.

The Bamster is far from failing. You however, can keep hoping and wishing for that. I am sure you pray deeply for an Obama failure.

The problem with your so-called "greater good" is that it is paid for, not by the taxes you so loving pay but by IOU's that your great grandkids will still be paying on. I don't mind paying my fair share of the tax burden, the problem is in how YOU and the rest of the libs define fair.

The government CANNOT tax us to prosperity. The math doesn't work. It never has, and it never will.

Sure, we HAVE to pay taxes, but when you huge tax burdens to those people who generate wealth, not just for themselves but for all the people they employ, the companies they invest in and such you kill any reason for those people to invest and create more wealth for everyone.

[Blueskies]

For once I am just enjoying watching all you people pick a side and thrash each other.

It's entertaining to say the least.

I think we all need to realize that what happens inside the boundries of the District of Columbia is in no way to the benefit of any of us.

They are ALL bums, the lot of them. Doesn't matter if they have a D, R, S, C, I or whatever next to their name.

They only thing they crave is power and control to achieve that they will do whatever is popular at the moment. Raise taxes on the rich, lower taxes, spend tax money on their select special interest groups so they can get re-elected, provide, FORCE healthcare on everyone (even though the Fed's can't even make the current Public Healthcare system - Medicare - work), etc etc etc. It's all a ruse for us to give up our personal sovereignty and the sheeple on both sides will follow right along.

The Federal, state and local governments have forgotten they are supposed to be serving "We the People", not the other way around.

And all of us have just let it go. I hear lots of talk about the Founding Fathers, from both sides, and I think the most important thing that is missed, by both sides is that they ALL had a healthy fear of an overly strong Federal Government.

‘We give you a Republic; now see if you can keep it.’ — Ben Franklin

Well we are long past that road. We allow dynasties (Bush, Kennedy, Clinton -sort of) to lead. We ahve LOST our Republic in the name of ease and sloth and jealousy over whom has more than who.

And it is BOTH sides, Conservative and Liberal alike that lead us to this point.

to 95% of what you said here. The only thing I don't agree with is on Health care. I agree that when the government runs something they over run it and it usually turns into a bureaucratic mess....but it is needed and if done right could work...it also would be a far better way to give something back to taxpayers...much more beneficial then a small rebate check once a year. ...and we would actually see where some of the money goes and all benefit from it for a change instead of mainly the lobbyists beneficiaries and the politicians.

[Barb]

Now we have San Fran Nan who apparently Can't Understand Normal Thinking.....

Nancy Pelosi claims protesters are "carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on healthcare."

Video: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... tikas.html

She is some piece of work.

[Rockindeano]

Now we have San Fran Nan who apparently Can't Understand Normal Thinking.....

Nancy Pelosi claims protesters are "carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on healthcare."

Video: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... tikas.html

She is some piece of work.

Maybe so, but what's even worse, are the conservate assholes showing up to town halls just to yell and scream and drown out conversations.

Pathetic.

You clowns will not see power again in a long time.

[SP Fan in Oregon]

Now we have San Fran Nan who apparently Can't Understand Normal Thinking.....

Nancy Pelosi claims protesters are "carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on healthcare."

Video: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... tikas.html

She is some piece of work.

Maybe so, but what's even worse, are the conservate assholes showing up to town halls just to yell and scream and drown out conversations.

Pathetic.

You clowns will not see power again in a long time.

Good morning Deano....

[Rockindeano]

Now we have San Fran Nan who apparently Can't Understand Normal Thinking.....

Nancy Pelosi claims protesters are "carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on healthcare."

Video: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... tikas.html

She is some piece of work.

Maybe so, but what's even worse, are the conservate assholes showing up to town halls just to yell and scream and drown out conversations.

Pathetic.

You clowns will not see power again in a long time.

What? Conservatives aren't allowed a voice? Is that what you are saying? Are we to just sit back and let things we dont like get ramhmed down our throats? No dice Deano.

You have a voice. You clowns want nothing to do with the issues he is tackling. Vote no to your hearts content. But to show up at town hall meetings that are for the very people of this nation to gather at, and ask questions, and yell, scream and smear the session with your stink? Like I said earlier, fuck em. Obama should ram it through and tell the Cons to go fucking spin on a baseball bat. He tried to reach across the aisle. He really did. Your party is so embarrassed by it's recent performance, that you don't know what to do. God bless Michael Steele huh? I am sure that dope will be the one to lead you to the promised Land.

[Rockindeano]

Now we have San Fran Nan who apparently Can't Understand Normal Thinking.....

Nancy Pelosi claims protesters are "carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on healthcare."

Video: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... tikas.html

She is some piece of work.

Maybe so, but what's even worse, are the conservate assholes showing up to town halls just to yell and scream and drown out conversations.

Pathetic.

You clowns will not see power again in a long time.

Good morning Deano....

What's up Beaver Cakes.

[hoagiepete]

Public sector is filling the void, or so the theory goes.

Yeah that theory has littered the dustbin of history with failures like the Bamster's policies.

Bullshit. Government TODAY has a role quite different than in 1776, and a lot different than you Cons want it to be. The Government, thanks to the politics of divide generated by the fucking right, have to step in an provide essential services that the unfortunate in this country need to survive on. I know not one Goddamned one of you Cons gives two shits about pregnant teens, out of work and starving factory and manufacturing workers, homeless Vets or anyone else not making 100 ger a year. Fortunately, the party in power does give a shit and is doing something about it. I say fuck em Obama, ram your agenda through. Obama invited those sonsofbitches over to hear their thoughts, ideas and such, and got nothing but a lying handshake and a stonewalling attitude. Fuck em. Ram health care through. Raise taxes on the rich. Increase public services where and when needed and be compassionate. if you don't like taxes, and the movement to secure the Greater Good in America, then fly the fuck outta here to some private island.

The Bamster is far from failing. You however, can keep hoping and wishing for that. I am sure you pray deeply for an Obama failure.

I call bullshit on that one Deano. I just don't think we have to become a socialist country to help these folks out. We may disagree "how" they are helped. The problem we have is that "essential services" have grown into entitlements that go way beyond what the federal government ever intended.

Who is going to define "rich"? It is such a relative term. I may be rich compared to many, but sure don't feel like it. I don't drive a fancy car, don't have a vacation home, don't live in a mansion, don't have kids in private schools, etc. I am able to put food on the table and stick some $ away into retirement and could be considered "rich" by some. I'm one personal catastrophe away from not being able to do that.

When is enough enough????? When will there ever be enough services or taxes????? This movement of having the government provide everything will continue to morph out of control. I don't agree with you on this one at all. We WILL become a socialist country if this continues. I guess it was a good thing my daughters got used to getting "participant" medals in their kids sports activities. It sure didn't matter they were losing the games...hey...they're going to get the medal no matter what. Good training for the future of the USA.

Why are you wanting to run out the types of people that helped make this nation the great country it is? Without the "rich," ie businessmen, entrepreneurs, and the professionals that paid big jack to be educated, you'll have no one to foot the bill?!! Where are you going to get all those tax revenues? Without the reward, there will be less to take the risks that our forefathers took to grow our country.

Ramming shit through with little thought and analysis of the impact longterm is foolish. I hope they figure that out before it is too late.

[RedWingFan]

Maybe so, but what's even worse, are the conservate assholes showing up to town halls just to yell and scream and drown out conversations.

Yeah Dean, how dare they participate and voice their opinions to their representatives!!!
This isn't a monarchy Dean, you sound as though you'd be the first one to drop to his knees to lick the Queens shoes clean if it were!!! I'm disappointed in you!

[Eric]

He tried to reach across the aisle. He really did.

HOOOOOH

[RedWingFan]

Tough shit. Wonder if Deano or TNC will report me to the WH Snitch Line?

Yeah, I'm sure they're both fully supportive of this "domestic spying" of private conversations and emails!!! This is the White House "Chicago style". If we're found out I'll expect to be getting audited soon!

Good thing we got rid of that power hungry Bush huh? Here we are with Barack Chavez Obama.

[Barb]

He tried to reach across the aisle. He really did.

HOOOOOH

Ya, I think he reached across the aisle and said, "I won."

[Memorex]

http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/

[SP Fan in Oregon]

http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/

I've seen this birth certificate information. If you check with an Immigration Attorney, you might discover that
since Obama's mother was a U.S. Citizen, i.e. born in Kansas, and then she married Obama's father, a citizen of Kenya, that
gives both mother and father legal status in the United States. Then, Obama's mother and father travel to Kenya where mother has
the child (Our President). The fact that she delivered him outside the U.S. does not make him a non- U.S. Citizen. He was
born to Americans that were abroad during the time of his birth. So, he is a legitimate President, and he was VOTED into that Presidency.
He hasn't been in office long enough to have CAUSED what is happening to the economy. He's just riding the storm out, in there every day
doing things to try to make it work. Our economy is in a SHITLOAD of real serious trouble, the likes of which we haven't seen the full impact yet.
Things are definitely going to get worse. We are a consumer oriented society. People believed there was no tomorrow. They used their credit cards irresponsibly, they mortgaged their homes to the hilt, they didn't save for a rainy day, the criminals were running rampant on investment schemes. Now the shit is hitting the fan and everyone wants to blame Obama, when in fact, Obama is the first Pres who seems to be doing SOMETHING. Even if the guy makes mistakes, or tries something that fails, at least he is in there quickly, DOING and telling us what he is doing........... I like that he is shaking things up, cause at least the bureaucrats in Washington are jumping now. I also admire him for saying he was going to close Gitmo, saying he was going to pull out the troops from Iraq and then got in there, got briefs from experts who gave him reasons why those things couldn't happen like he wanted, and he was willing to accept the information and change his mind! That's classy, not pigheaded.. So far, he has been impressive to me, and guess what, I didn't vote for him. Give Obama a chance and he might just really change the world and put us on a new path for a better world.

[Rockindeano]

http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/

I've seen this birth certificate information. If you check with an Immigration Attorney, you might discover that
since Obama's mother was a U.S. Citizen, i.e. born in Kansas, and then she married Obama's father, a citizen of Kenya, that
gives both mother and father legal status in the United States. Then, Obama's mother and father travel to Kenya where mother has
the child (Our President). The fact that she delivered him outside the U.S. does not make him a non- U.S. Citizen.

He was born in Hawaii.

[Memorex]

http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/

I've seen this birth certificate information. If you check with an Immigration Attorney, you might discover that
since Obama's mother was a U.S. Citizen, i.e. born in Kansas, and then she married Obama's father, a citizen of Kenya, that
gives both mother and father legal status in the United States. Then, Obama's mother and father travel to Kenya where mother has
the child (Our President). The fact that she delivered him outside the U.S. does not make him a non- U.S. Citizen. He was
born to Americans that were abroad during the time of his birth. So, he is a legitimate President, and he was VOTED into that Presidency.

I was just posting it to be funny. I think all of that has been quite silly, regardless of politics.

Both sides have good ideas. Both sides have bad ideas. Both sides have their corrupt and hypocrites. Anyone that doesn't see that is just not being fair. That's my political opinion. And most importantly, one side is not all that different than the other, sans 3 or 4 issues.

[SP Fan in Oregon]

http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/

I've seen this birth certificate information. If you check with an Immigration Attorney, you might discover that
since Obama's mother was a U.S. Citizen, i.e. born in Kansas, and then she married Obama's father, a citizen of Kenya, that
gives both mother and father legal status in the United States. Then, Obama's mother and father travel to Kenya where mother has
the child (Our President). The fact that she delivered him outside the U.S. does not make him a non- U.S. Citizen.

He was born in Hawaii.

I thought he was raised in Hawaii........ Either way, who cares.........? He is the President of the U.S.

[Rockindeano]

http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/

I've seen this birth certificate information. If you check with an Immigration Attorney, you might discover that
since Obama's mother was a U.S. Citizen, i.e. born in Kansas, and then she married Obama's father, a citizen of Kenya, that
gives both mother and father legal status in the United States. Then, Obama's mother and father travel to Kenya where mother has
the child (Our President). The fact that she delivered him outside the U.S. does not make him a non- U.S. Citizen.

He was born in Hawaii.

I thought he was raised in Hawaii........ Either way, who cares.........? He is the President of the U.S.

Well the bitter Cons care, as this is the only way they can win.

[RossValoryRocks]

http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/

I've seen this birth certificate information. If you check with an Immigration Attorney, you might discover that
since Obama's mother was a U.S. Citizen, i.e. born in Kansas, and then she married Obama's father, a citizen of Kenya, that
gives both mother and father legal status in the United States. Then, Obama's mother and father travel to Kenya where mother has
the child (Our President). The fact that she delivered him outside the U.S. does not make him a non- U.S. Citizen.

He was born in Hawaii.

I thought he was raised in Hawaii........ Either way, who cares.........? He is the President of the U.S.

Well the bitter Cons care, as this is the only way they can win.

God...no we wouldn't win...then we would have BIDEN as President...not that I am a bitter Con...

I don't trust any politician.

They will all tell you what you want to hear, and in the end they just ass rape you in one way or another.

[Rockindeano]

I'll take Biden over Palin, McCain, W, Romney, Perry, any of em.

[SP Fan in Oregon]

I'll take Biden over Palin, McCain, W, Romney, Perry, any of em.

Perry? Yeah, we want him to sing, not work in Washington D.C.

[Rockindeano]

I'll take Biden over Palin, McCain, W, Romney, Perry, any of em.

Perry? Yeah, we want him to sing, not work in Washington D.C.

I knew one of you would say this.

Rick perry, from Texas. That dolt who wants to secede from the nation. I say "good luck."

[SP Fan in Oregon]

I'll take Biden over Palin, McCain, W, Romney, Perry, any of em.

Perry? Yeah, we want him to sing, not work in Washington D.C.

I knew one of you would say this.

Rick perry, from Texas. That dolt who wants to secede from the nation. I say "good luck."

Did you ever hear about the State of Jefferson? It is the people from Northern California and the People from Southern Oregon that want a new STATE.
State of Jefferson. Reason is that Northern California, starting at Red Bluff are conservatives, unlike S.F. and L.A. Southern Oregon for the most part is a conservative area. The new state would eliminate Portland, Salem and Eugene, very liberal areas in Oregon with the big population centers. This idea has been around forever, but unlikely to ever happen. Maybe with California being in bankruptcy it might want to get rid of the Northern part of the state.