President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[RedWingFan]

I'll take Biden over Palin, McCain, W, Romney, Perry, any of em.

That expains so much Dean!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-eeWow_WU
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[hoagiepete]

http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/

I've seen this birth certificate information. If you check with an Immigration Attorney, you might discover that
since Obama's mother was a U.S. Citizen, i.e. born in Kansas, and then she married Obama's father, a citizen of Kenya, that
gives both mother and father legal status in the United States. Then, Obama's mother and father travel to Kenya where mother has
the child (Our President). The fact that she delivered him outside the U.S. does not make him a non- U.S. Citizen. He was
born to Americans that were abroad during the time of his birth. So, he is a legitimate President, and he was VOTED into that Presidency.
He hasn't been in office long enough to have CAUSED what is happening to the economy. He's just riding the storm out, in there every day
doing things to try to make it work. Our economy is in a SHITLOAD of real serious trouble, the likes of which we haven't seen the full impact yet.
Things are definitely going to get worse. We are a consumer oriented society. People believed there was no tomorrow. They used their credit cards irresponsibly, they mortgaged their homes to the hilt, they didn't save for a rainy day, the criminals were running rampant on investment schemes. Now the shit is hitting the fan and everyone wants to blame Obama, when in fact, Obama is the first Pres who seems to be doing SOMETHING. Even if the guy makes mistakes, or tries something that fails, at least he is in there quickly, DOING and telling us what he is doing........... I like that he is shaking things up, cause at least the bureaucrats in Washington are jumping now. I also admire him for saying he was going to close Gitmo, saying he was going to pull out the troops from Iraq and then got in there, got briefs from experts who gave him reasons why those things couldn't happen like he wanted, and he was willing to accept the information and change his mind! That's classy, not pigheaded.. So far, he has been impressive to me, and guess what, I didn't vote for him. Give Obama a chance and he might just really change the world and put us on a new path for a better world.

In other words...you can say anything you want to get elected...damn the reality of it all and the facts. No wonder no one should believe campaign promises. I just can't believe anyone still actually believes these nuts (R and D's) when they are campaigning. It is a joke. Period. Middle class tax pledge is next.

Hell...I might run for president...and if elected...I promise Steve Perry will rejoin Journey, cut an album that EVERYONE will love, they will stop in everyone's town on the tour and they will sound just like they did in 1981. Oh...did I mention everyone will get front row seats???? Oh...and the tickets will be free!!!!!

[RossValoryRocks]

I'll take Biden over Palin, McCain, W, Romney, Perry, any of em.

I am sure you would...which shows you spent a ton of money on your BA to show just how narrow minded and ignorant you really are.

You don't like when conservatives lump the liberals together, but it's ok for you to lump all conservatives together.

Actually on second thought, your money was well spent...but it should be a BA in Hypocrisy.

"Do I say, not as I do", should be your motto.

I am sure you will be the first person at the government teat for your free this and free that.

Now you can run off with your hurt feeling and say what a terrible person I am for picking on you...

[Rockindeano]

I'll take Biden over Palin, McCain, W, Romney, Perry, any of em.

I am sure you would...which shows you spent a ton of money on your BA to show just how narrow minded and ignorant you really are.

You don't like when conservatives lump the liberals together, but it's ok for you to lump all conservatives together.

Actually on second thought, your money was well spent...but it should be a BA in Hypocrisy.

Do I say, not as I do should be your motto.

I am sure you will be the first person at the government teat for your free this and free that.

I earned my BA and am very much satisfied with it thank you very much.

As for being at the Gov't teat, naw, I have health care, and benefits already. I don't receive welfare or food stamps, but a lot of my fellow citizens don't have health care and need to eat. That's where I stand. I am all for the greater good.

[RossValoryRocks]

I don't receive welfare or food stamps, but a lot of my fellow citizens don't have health care and need to eat. That's where I stand. I am all for the greater good.

And alot of your fellow citizens COULD be earning it they way you do, and everyone else does...by working for it.

Throw out the illegals, let the healthy welfare folks pick fruit.

I know there are people who desperately and legitimately have the NEED for government help, but you have to admit there are plenty of people who refuse to work that they feel is "beneath" them for whatever reason, and will GLADLY suck on the government teat and that to me is the problem with the whole thing.

And you are still a hypocrite. Not all conservatives are the same, you know, just as not all Democrats are clones of Pelosi or Reid.

[Rockindeano]

I don't receive welfare or food stamps, but a lot of my fellow citizens don't have health care and need to eat. That's where I stand. I am all for the greater good.

And alot of your fellow citizens COULD be earning it they way you do, and everyone else does...by working for it.

Throw out the illegals, let the healthy welfare folks pick fruit.

I know there are people who desperately and legitimately have the NEED for government help, but you have to admit there are plenty of people who refuse to work that they feel is "beneath" them for whatever reason, and will GLADLY suck on the government teat and that to me is the problem with the whole thing.

You are very correct here Stu. I work like Kutakenti all fucking night, sweat pouring out and all over me. I go up to ring someone up, usually a black guy or girl, and they buy all this expensive shit, stuff not on sale, and the top quality of whatever it is they are buying, and then whip out the welfare credit card. Yeah, it pisses me off. I have to bite my tongue big time. They usually go out and get into a nice Altima or SUV, and the kids all have on 150 dollar Nike Air Jordans and a brand new phone. I definitely hear you. However, along with those scumbags, there are hard working, two and three job folks who just aren't making it, buying whatever is on sale, driving a 1988 Sentra and going from job to job. I can't pick and choose who gets to use my hard earned tax dollars, but I feel good that at least there are some needy people getting some help from me, and that makes me feel better.

By the way, I have never seen an Hispanic use a California welfare card. All black and only one white guy. Know what the white guy said to me as he got in his Lexus? "Hey fuck it, I pay taxes."

And you are still a hypocrite. Not all conservatives are the same, you know, just as not all Democrats are clones of Pelosi or Reid.

I am not much a fan of Pelosi or Reid. I smack my own when necessary.

[RossValoryRocks]

I don't receive welfare or food stamps, but a lot of my fellow citizens don't have health care and need to eat. That's where I stand. I am all for the greater good.

And alot of your fellow citizens COULD be earning it they way you do, and everyone else does...by working for it.

Throw out the illegals, let the healthy welfare folks pick fruit.

I know there are people who desperately and legitimately have the NEED for government help, but you have to admit there are plenty of people who refuse to work that they feel is "beneath" them for whatever reason, and will GLADLY suck on the government teat and that to me is the problem with the whole thing.

You are very correct here Stu. I work like Kutakenti all fucking night, sweat pouring out and all over me. I go up to ring someone up, usually a black guy or girl, and they buy all this expensive shit, stuff not on sale, and the top quality of whatever it is they are buying, and then whip out the welfare credit card. Yeah, it pisses me off. I have to bite my tongue big time. They usually go out and get into a nice Altima or SUV, and the kids all have on 150 dollar Nike Air Jordans and a brand new phone. I definitely hear you. However, along with those scumbags, there are hard working, two and three job folks who just aren't making it, buying whatever is on sale, driving a 1988 Sentra and going from job to job. I can't pick and choose who gets to use my hard earned tax dollars, but I feel good that at least there are some needy people getting some help from me, and that makes me feel better.

By the way, I have never seen an Hispanic use a California welfare card. All black and only one white guy. Know what the white guy said to me as he got in his Lexus? "Hey fuck it, I pay taxes."

And you are still a hypocrite. Not all conservatives are the same, you know, just as not all Democrats are clones of Pelosi or Reid.

I am not much a fan of Pelosi or Reid. I smack my own when necessary.

Good...now quit lumping all conservatives in the same bag and your tranformation will be complete...you blue dog democrat you!

[swataz]

I don't receive welfare or food stamps, but a lot of my fellow citizens don't have health care and need to eat. That's where I stand. I am all for the greater good.

And alot of your fellow citizens COULD be earning it they way you do, and everyone else does...by working for it.

Throw out the illegals, let the healthy welfare folks pick fruit.

I know there are people who desperately and legitimately have the NEED for government help, but you have to admit there are plenty of people who refuse to work that they feel is "beneath" them for whatever reason, and will GLADLY suck on the government teat and that to me is the problem with the whole thing.

You are very correct here Stu. I work like Kutakenti all fucking night, sweat pouring out and all over me. I go up to ring someone up, usually a black guy or girl, and they buy all this expensive shit, stuff not on sale, and the top quality of whatever it is they are buying, and then whip out the welfare credit card. Yeah, it pisses me off. I have to bite my tongue big time. They usually go out and get into a nice Altima or SUV, and the kids all have on 150 dollar Nike Air Jordans and a brand new phone. I definitely hear you. However, along with those scumbags, there are hard working, two and three job folks who just aren't making it, buying whatever is on sale, driving a 1988 Sentra and going from job to job. I can't pick and choose who gets to use my hard earned tax dollars, but I feel good that at least there are some needy people getting some help from me, and that makes me feel better.

By the way, I have never seen an Hispanic use a California welfare card. All black and only one white guy. Know what the white guy said to me as he got in his Lexus? "Hey fuck it, I pay taxes."

And you are still a hypocrite. Not all conservatives are the same, you know, just as not all Democrats are clones of Pelosi or Reid.

I am not much a fan of Pelosi or Reid. I smack my own when necessary.

I submit that most hard-working Americans would cite this as something they have a MAJOR fucking problem with. For all the good our taxes do to help people in need, there are FAR TOO MANY who abuse these services, and no one has the brains or the balls to ostracize those 'votes' by making sure you CAN'T do what you just described.

[hoagiepete]

Just try to compare the enthusiasm and benefit of the following to anything which could be created by the government...in taking your hard earned money, squandering most of it and giving the change to those in need.

My daughter participated in this event and came home totally pumped. They raised money for two years to make the trip. No government program will ever have the impact this kind of project has.

Sorry this is so long, but...see below:

POSTED ON AUGUST 3, 2009:
Gratitude for the Lutheran teens who visited New Orleans
The Kindness of Strangers
The end of July brought the biggest convention to town since Hurricane Katrina, but it wasn't doctors, lawyers or other professionals. In fact, it wasn't even adults. It was 37,000 teenagers and their chaperones from the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), who filled hotels all over town for the 2009 ELCA Youth Gathering, which they called "Jesus, Justice and Jazz."

Besides their worship events at the Louisiana Superdome and the Ernest N Morial Convention Center, the teens spent much of their five days in New Orleans performing some 200 community service projects, including hosting a health fair in New Orleans City Park, building a two-mile hiking trail around the park's Goat and Scout Islands and adding new plants to the Botanical Garden. Elsewhere, they held reading fairs for children and painted and cleaned houses and schools. Some boarded buses and headed to the Falgout Canal marina to replant marsh grasses; others converged on Holt Cemetery to weed, seed, restore tombstones and, in some cases, rebury the dead. At the end of their busy days, many of them found time to donate blood to the Red Cross. In all, our Lutheran visitors from all over the United States contributed a quarter of a million volunteer hours to the people of New Orleans — and, in many cases, thanked us for the chance to have done so.

We're humbled. Humbled at their generosity. Humbled at the sight of so many   young people traveling so far to do so much hard work during their summer vacation. Humbled that the "Katrina fatigue" felt by so many Americans was replaced, for a few days, with an enthusiasm even some of us find hard to muster some days. Regardless of your faith, or lack thereof, these excited young volunteers were an inspiration, and just one of them accomplished more good than all the preachers and politicians in the world who saw Katrina as either perverse justice or crass opportunity.

Among the many small moments of grace between our young guests and the   locals came last weekend at Betsy's Pancake House in Mid-City, which had its usual mix of Sunday morning regulars — sleepy folks with Saturday night faces and regal African-American churchwomen in their Sunday finery. Into Betsy's dining room came nine teenagers, led by a pastor and two chaperones, looking friendly but shy and a bit out of place. Tables were rearranged; coffee was brought. The waitress, with little prompting, welcomed them and told them the tale of the coffee shop during Katrina. The kids were more curious about grits. They opted for white toast instead.
"We could have gone to Burger King, but we saw this and wanted to eat at a   place with neighborhood people," said the pastor, the Rev. Dr. Brian W. Armen, shaking hands with people who approached their table. He and his flock were from Trinity Evangelical Lutheran Church in Johnston, Penn. None of them had been to New Orleans before.

Then, the waitress laid a $20 bill on the table. "That man who just left   paid for some of your breakfast," she said, and within a couple of minutes bills were being passed to the visitors from around the room — $10 here, $20 there, and the pastor's wife began to cry, saying "Thank you," to which the morning regulars replied, "No, thank you."

How do you thank someone for helping rebuild your city? It's a question   with which we've all wrestled during the past four years, and the answer is: You can't.But the simple act of buying a stranger a breakfast said "Thank you" in myriad ways: Thank you for coming. Thank you for caring. Thank you for your sweat and your optimism, for your curiosity and bravery in traveling to a place so unlike your own home. And, when many in the rest of the country seem to have "gotten over" Katrina and can't understand why we can't, perhaps the real message was: Thank you for not forgetting.

Most of all, thank you for reminding New Orleans — a city that's so   dependent on the kindness of strangers — that there still are people in this world who come to town and leave behind things more valuable than overflowing cash registers.

URL for this story: http://bestofneworleans.comhttp://besto ... id%3A59426

[Gibby]

just read in the new york daily news that obama's approval ratings are plummeting. honeymoon is over. 2012 election is going to be CRAZY!!!

[Don]

There are unconfirmed reports that Baitullah Mehsud may be dead. This would be great if it's true.

[Rockindeano]

I submit that most hard-working Americans would cite this as something they have a MAJOR fucking problem with.

As if I give a shit what other Americans agree with or not. That's my philosophy.

For all the good our taxes do to help people in need, there are FAR TOO MANY who abuse these services, and no one has the brains or the balls to ostracize those 'votes' by making sure you CAN'T do what you just described.

So what the fuck do you propose? Get a giant 60,000 ton can of Nig*er spray and kill all the blacks and have the Beaners do the three jobs Yankees won't dare do- Janitorial, crop picking and burger flipping? There you go, an economic genius.

How the fuck are you going to let people fucking DIE on the street because of their personal ineptitude or laziness. Look back to Katrina, where George piece of shit Bush did nothing at all to help the people who needed help. They died, on national and world TV, on a sidewalk outside the Superdome. The world must be shaking their heads at US. Now you smartassed Conservatives with your sneaky bullshit saying, "how can Government run health care when it can't run whatever(Postal service, Amtrak, VA hospitals)......I then ask you, if not for the Government to take care of the less fortunate, WHO THE HELL WILL?

[Rockindeano]

just read in the new york daily news that obama's approval ratings are plummeting. honeymoon is over. 2012 election is going to be CRAZY!!!

LOL, no not a chance.

The electoral map now shows 5 states solidly red. 5! 37 are solidly blue. the remaining 8, 5 out of the 8 are leaning blue.

Landslides continue my friend, starting with the midterms in 2010.

[Don]

ABC News' Jonathan Karl reports: The effort to inject another two billion dollars into Cash for Clunkers has hit a potential road block in the Senate that could kill the bill.

Republiicans are throwing their support behind an amendment offered by Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, that would limit clunker rebates to individuals with annual incomes of 50 K or less. With Republican support the amendment stands a good chance of passing unless the majority of Democrats, who mostly favor the amendment, vote against it.

Why is that a problem?

If any amendment passes it means the House has to take up the bill again and the House, of course, has already adjourned for its August recess.

The Democratic leadership is now scrambling to get rank- and -fille Democratic senators to vote against an amendment almost all of them favor. It would be a very tough vote.

"It does seem to be out of character for Democrats to support allowing millionaires access to borrowed money to buy cars," said Don Stewart, spokesnan for Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.

Who are all the people taking advantage of this? What kind of cars get 18 miles to the gallon, beside vans and big trucks?

[The_Noble_Cause]

He tried to reach across the aisle. He really did.

HOOOOOH

Ya, I think he reached across the aisle and said, "I won."

What is wrong with reminding the minority party just who won the election?
I seem to recall Bush boasting of a "mandate" that did not exist in 2004.
Was that also out of bounds?

[The_Noble_Cause]

We WILL become a socialist country if this continues.

You do realize every other capitalist country has universal healthcare, right?

[G.I.Jim]

We WILL become a socialist country if this continues.

You do realize every other capitalist country has universal healthcare, right?

How's that working out for them?

[The_Noble_Cause]

We WILL become a socialist country if this continues.

You do realize every other capitalist country has universal healthcare, right?

How's that working out for them?

Considering where we're at right now, I'd say pretty competitively.
With employment decoupled from healthcare, more people abroad are willing to tap into their entrepreneurial spirit and try a new career, or start their own business.
No one's toiling away at a deadend job in Japan just to keep their coverage.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Tough shit. Wonder if Deano or TNC will report me to the WH Snitch Line?

You kidding?
We already live in a country with untold number of wiretapping and information gathering programs running simultaneously.
Big brother's been watching for awhile.

[RossValoryRocks]

Tough shit. Wonder if Deano or TNC will report me to the WH Snitch Line?

You kidding?
We already live in a country with untold number of wiretapping and information gathering programs running simultaneously.
Big brother's been watching for awhile.

So tell me oh wise one...what is the difference between paying for it via the employer route, and paying for it via the tax route? Other than the government can't find their ass with out a direction manual...let alone run the nation healthcare correctly?

[Eric]

We WILL become a socialist country if this continues.

You do realize every other capitalist country has universal healthcare, right?

How's that working out for them?

Considering where we're at right now, I'd say pretty competitively.
With employment decoupled from healthcare, more people abroad are willing to tap into their entrepreneurial spirit and try a new career, or start their own business.
No one's toiling away at a deadend job in Japan just to keep their coverage.

Thats a good argument - and said well. However, with 300 million people we still need to figure out how to pay for it without having a 20% Federal Sales tax.

[Eric]

I am not much a fan of Pelosi or Reid. I smack my own when necessary.

I know you question the motives of some of the town hall people opposing this......but these 2 clownshoes have incited some of this town Hall violence this week with their reckless rhetoric.

[hoagiepete]

And now they are countering the "well dressed" protesters with union "thugs." This is getting good. I hate to say it but those out there creating the hub bub at the town hall meetings will soon get their asses handed to them.

Not sure who is recruiting them to come out to counteract the "well dressed", but the unions have decades of experience and practice at protests, thuggery and intimidation. This will be a bloodbath. These nice little ol' business folk and average day citizens are going to have to get MEAN...MEAN I tell you!

[Barb]

And now they are countering the "well dressed" protesters with union "thugs." This is getting good. I hate to say it but those out there creating the hub bub at the town hall meetings will soon get their asses handed to them.

Not sure who is recruiting them to come out to counteract the "well dressed", but the unions have decades of experience and practice at protests, thuggery and intimidation. This will be a bloodbath. These nice little ol' business folk and average day citizens are going to have to get MEAN...MEAN I tell you!

This is pathetic.

[swataz]

We WILL become a socialist country if this continues.

You do realize every other capitalist country has universal healthcare, right?

My Canadian friends FUCKING HATE their healthcare system.

[swataz]

I submit that most hard-working Americans would cite this as something they have a MAJOR fucking problem with.

As if I give a shit what other Americans agree with or not. That's my philosophy.

For all the good our taxes do to help people in need, there are FAR TOO MANY who abuse these services, and no one has the brains or the balls to ostracize those 'votes' by making sure you CAN'T do what you just described.

So what the fuck do you propose? Get a giant 60,000 ton can of Nig*er spray and kill all the blacks and have the Beaners do the three jobs Yankees won't dare do- Janitorial, crop picking and burger flipping? There you go, an economic genius.

How the fuck are you going to let people fucking DIE on the street because of their personal ineptitude or laziness. Look back to Katrina, where George piece of shit Bush did nothing at all to help the people who needed help. They died, on national and world TV, on a sidewalk outside the Superdome. The world must be shaking their heads at US. Now you smartassed Conservatives with your sneaky bullshit saying, "how can Government run health care when it can't run whatever(Postal service, Amtrak, VA hospitals)......I then ask you, if not for the Government to take care of the less fortunate, WHO THE HELL WILL?

I never suggested anything of the sort, and I don't have a solution, frankly. It doesn't pain you at all that a lot of money we all pour into the social services in this country get misappropriated by the very people it is intended to help?

There is no solution. There is no way to ensure that people don't spend their government tit money (read: taxpayer money) on Air Jordans, LCD Tvs and Blackberrys. So this problem will go on ad infinitum.

I am not in favor of letting people perish for their ineptitude or laziness. Long ago, people who couldn't subsist on their own DID die. In this day and age, we help their asses and they repay us by raping the system. Like I said, I don't have the solution, but it sure sucks!

[Rockindeano]

And now they are countering the "well dressed" protesters with union "thugs." This is getting good. I hate to say it but those out there creating the hub bub at the town hall meetings will soon get their asses handed to them.

Not sure who is recruiting them to come out to counteract the "well dressed", but the unions have decades of experience and practice at protests, thuggery and intimidation. This will be a bloodbath. These nice little ol' business folk and average day citizens are going to have to get MEAN...MEAN I tell you!

This is pathetic.

What's pathetic is the conservative republicans showing up and disrupting a town hall conversation.

The GOP is pathetic.

[hoagiepete]

And now they are countering the "well dressed" protesters with union "thugs." This is getting good. I hate to say it but those out there creating the hub bub at the town hall meetings will soon get their asses handed to them.

Not sure who is recruiting them to come out to counteract the "well dressed", but the unions have decades of experience and practice at protests, thuggery and intimidation. This will be a bloodbath. These nice little ol' business folk and average day citizens are going to have to get MEAN...MEAN I tell you!

This is pathetic.

What's pathetic is the conservative republicans showing up and disrupting a town hall conversation.

The GOP is pathetic.

Whew! I thought she was referring to me!

I don't agree with disruption and rudeness and I'm not sure why they are taking that tact. Kind of funny seeing a bunch of goodie goodies trying to act up though. You have to admit, the libs with a cause have a long history of doing just that.

[RossValoryRocks]

And now they are countering the "well dressed" protesters with union "thugs." This is getting good. I hate to say it but those out there creating the hub bub at the town hall meetings will soon get their asses handed to them.

Not sure who is recruiting them to come out to counteract the "well dressed", but the unions have decades of experience and practice at protests, thuggery and intimidation. This will be a bloodbath. These nice little ol' business folk and average day citizens are going to have to get MEAN...MEAN I tell you!

This is pathetic.

What's pathetic is the conservative republicans showing up and disrupting a town hall conversation.

The GOP is pathetic.

So wait...again...it's ok if your side does right?? That is just them exercising thier rights to free speech?? Just a little sit in, just a little protest is all it is.

But if the conservatives do it, it is planned and orchestrated by some vast right wing conspiracy to shout down the opposition?

Yet again you show the hypocrisy of the liberals in this country.

There is NOTHING wrong with protesting this travesty of a healthcare plan, and BTW poll-meister...a HUGE majority of Americans, not just the republicans, do not want government run healthcare.

[Lula]

i'm pretty happy with my health care and I also pay close to 800 a month for it. the cost is high, but i suppose it's just one of those things- with a baby i have to have good insurance. i have not read the reform bill. i do know that we need to do something and if enough people are speaking up and voicing displeasure or acceptance- at least we are having debate on the issue. at the end of the day i hope it will give our legislatures the info needed to write a bill that both sides can mostly agree on. i think it's safe to say that the status quo is unacceptable.