Project2011 Poll

[Blueskies]

Herbie always speaks his mind, bitter or not, biased or not, he just airs the dirty laundry. Many people don't agree with his vitriolic approach, but that's who he is. He's a character, the Howard Stern of Rock'n'Roll if you want - outrageous, obnoxious and funny. Love him or hate him, his story would be entertaining and it would sell, just like Howard's did.

Exactly! A little dirt and colorful characters sells. Also, even if some people may disagree to some things said and in how its said, complete candor is refreshing and respected, as well as often entertaining.

[Monker]

Ok folks... I'm still torn here, so without having to comment futher (you can if you wish)...please vote!

A full history would include EVERYTHING incuding side projects and would not have a deadline for completion....I'm thinking 3 years at least.

You need to decide what YOU are most passionate about and do that project. What people think in this forum may be encouraging, but what YOU have passion for is what will be completed, and where you will do your best writing. Taking polls and asking what others think can be a way of procrastinating and, in the end, not starting anything.

True indeed! Normally...but in this case I'm hoping that stating something publicly will be the fire under my ass

Look, you can go through threads like this all you want. You can ask for as many opinions as you want. You can look for encouragement in as many places as you want. It is still you has to take the time to do it. THAT is the decision you have to make. Do you wish to dedicate the time to writing? It's not always 'fun'. It's not a 'gee, I am going to sit down here and have a good ole time writing.' It's work and it's time consuming, and it takes dedication.

If you can not get yourself to dedicate the time to writing...then it's not going to happen. That's just the bottom line.

Like I said, writers write. Right now, you're not. There's another saying, if all you do is wait for the muse to whisper in your ear, you will get a lot of things done - but none of them will be writing.

[Blueskies]

You are exactly right in what you've been saying, Monker. I think he's gotten stuck in the concept faze...too many ideas floating thru his mind and given to him. Once he decides on going with one and focuses entirely on it then he will be over that hump and ready to go full steam ahead with what he decides to do. Rather it be writing a book or deciding not to and do something else.

[texafana]

Start firing up the ass and start typing. 3 years is too long!!

[Don]

Find out when all their non-disclosure agreements end, then you can start typing.

[Lora]

Herbie always speaks his mind, bitter or not, biased or not, he just airs the dirty laundry. Many people don't agree with his vitriolic approach, but that's who he is. He's a character, the Howard Stern of Rock'n'Roll if you want - outrageous, obnoxious and funny. Love him or hate him, his story would be entertaining and it would sell, just like Howard's did.

Exactly! A little dirt and colorful characters sells. Also, even if some people may disagree to some things said and in how its said, complete candor is refreshing and respected, as well as often entertaining.

Do you guys have subscriptions to The National Enquirer? Tune in to TMZ daily? That sounds like the type of journalism you are into. Dirty laundry turns you on?

Complete candor? If you think HH is going to give an accurate and non-biased account of his days with Journey, you are delusional. His story would probably be entertaining, but the book would need to be filed under "fiction."

[Rockindeano]

Find out when all their non-disclosure agreements end, then you can start typing.

That shouldn't mean shit really. Who cares when the non disclosure ends? Neither side will talk, and if Andrew writes an investigative tell all, it won't really matter what either side says really, it what is written is true, they're fucked.

Well you have my vote, not that it matters, but this doesn't interest me in the slightest. Without the principle players on record, after the read is over, I will not have learned anything new.

Why this Band hasn't had an official biographer is beyond me. Most big bands have one person who has traveled with, hung out with and saw everything. Journey hasn't had that person.

[Rockindeano]

Herbie always speaks his mind, bitter or not, biased or not, he just airs the dirty laundry. Many people don't agree with his vitriolic approach, but that's who he is. He's a character, the Howard Stern of Rock'n'Roll if you want - outrageous, obnoxious and funny. Love him or hate him, his story would be entertaining and it would sell, just like Howard's did.

Exactly! A little dirt and colorful characters sells. Also, even if some people may disagree to some things said and in how its said, complete candor is refreshing and respected, as well as often entertaining.

Do you guys have subscriptions to The National Enquirer? Tune in to TMZ daily? That sounds like the type of journalism you are into. Dirty laundry turns you on?

Complete candor? If you think HH is going to give an accurate and non-biased account of his days with Journey, you are delusional. His story would probably be entertaining, but the book would need to be filed under "fiction."

This is how I feel too personally. The reader will get juicy tidbits and backstage fights, arguments and all that crap, but not the real meat and potatoes. It's no secret who Herbert despises, who he loves like a son and who is a "motherfucker."

Schon told me in Boston 2006, that he had a book coming out "next year." Well, that was three years ago and still no book has surfaced. Herbert was allegedly involved in that project too. If I was Andrew, and I'm not, he needs to understand the huge undertaking this will consist of, and just because he got Herbert to give up a juicy interview, it doesn't pave the road to publishing.

[*Laura]

Herbie always speaks his mind, bitter or not, biased or not, he just airs the dirty laundry. Many people don't agree with his vitriolic approach, but that's who he is. He's a character, the Howard Stern of Rock'n'Roll if you want - outrageous, obnoxious and funny. Love him or hate him, his story would be entertaining and it would sell, just like Howard's did.

Exactly! A little dirt and colorful characters sells. Also, even if some people may disagree to some things said and in how its said, complete candor is refreshing and respected, as well as often entertaining.

Do you guys have subscriptions to The National Enquirer? Tune in to TMZ daily? That sounds like the type of journalism you are into. Dirty laundry turns you on?

Complete candor? If you think HH is going to give an accurate and non-biased account of his days with Journey, you are delusional. His story would probably be entertaining, but the book would need to be filed under "fiction."

Personally, I don't read tabloids nor I'm into dirt. I was talking about the entertainment and selling factors considering that HH IS a character. Hence my comparison to Howard Stern.

A non-biased, hardcore truth filled book about Journey simply cannot be written...So I'd go with what would sell nowadays.

[Rockindeano]

Personally, I don't read tabloids nor I'm into dirt. I was talking about the entertainment and selling factors considering that HH IS a character. Hence my comparison to Howard Stern.

Howard Stern was the player, and Herbie was a player. BIG difference. Howard wrote a book about his own life. Herbie was only part of a circus.

A non-biased, hardcore truth filled book about Journey simply cannot be written...

Well then what's the point of even talking about this any further?

So I'd go with what would sell nowadays.

Well that is not the reason to write a book. Fuck, I can write some Journey book that would sell, I could guarantee you that. How accurate it would be? Not 100% that too I can also guarantee.

[Blueskies]

Find out when all their non-disclosure agreements end, then you can start typing.

Andrew has already said that he has approached a few band members and they aren't interested in working with him on the project. Also, with HH there is no non-disclosure agreement so there would be nothing to wait on in that regard, all he would need to do is approach HH with the idea and go from there if he agreed and if thats what Andrew decided to do, of course.

As Monker and Texafana just stated he needs to make a decision and go for it. Sometimes we can think about doing something too much.....too many interests, too many ideas to where its hard to focus on one.....too much thinking about the what ifs.....the possible hurdles...the time and energy and costs required in several ways like in time, time taken from doing other things and cost in ways financially to achieving our goals. Too much thinking sometimes that holds us back from doing. He needs to shake the chafe from the wheat with his ideas and then focus entirely on one...the one, as Monker said, he is most interested in doing...and then not let anything stand in his way to doing it, to fully believe in it and believe in himself that he will achieve it and just let go of the restraints and go for it.

( and in saying this Andrew, I am not only talking to you but talking to myself. Too often I've looked outside myself for inspiration, motivation and direction....and just end up spinning my wheels. I realize that I can only really find it within myself... so kick yourself in the ass, choose a path and go for it and I will listen to my own advice as well ...let my wheels gain traction and see where it leads me..hopefully if I have enough belief and put the effort in it will lead me to where I want to be. )

[*Laura]

Personally, I don't read tabloids nor I'm into dirt. I was talking about the entertainment and selling factors considering that HH IS a character. Hence my comparison to Howard Stern.

Howard Stern was the player, and Herbie was a player. BIG difference. Howard wrote a book about his own life. Herbie was only part of a circus.

A non-biased, hardcore truth filled book about Journey simply cannot be written...

Well then what's the point of even talking about this any further?

So I'd go with what would sell nowadays.

Well that is not the reason to write a book. Fuck, I can write some Journey book that would sell, I could guarantee you that. How accurate it would be? Not 100% that too I can also guarantee.

Herbie was driving the circus caravan. He was the master of the puppets just like Howard is on air with his collaborators. HH's story would be about his own life too...with Journey.

These are just ideas we're talking about on here. Andrew's the one who's gonna take a decision. And yes, I agree, the reason to write a book is not for the sales but because you're passionate about writing and the subject. But sales need to be taken in consideration too. Writing means hard work and it must pay off.

[Blueskies]

Herbie always speaks his mind, bitter or not, biased or not, he just airs the dirty laundry. Many people don't agree with his vitriolic approach, but that's who he is. He's a character, the Howard Stern of Rock'n'Roll if you want - outrageous, obnoxious and funny. Love him or hate him, his story would be entertaining and it would sell, just like Howard's did.

Exactly! A little dirt and colorful characters sells. Also, even if some people may disagree to some things said and in how its said, complete candor is refreshing and respected, as well as often entertaining.

Do you guys have subscriptions to The National Enquirer? Tune in to TMZ daily? That sounds like the type of journalism you are into. Dirty laundry turns you on?

Complete candor? If you think HH is going to give an accurate and non-biased account of his days with Journey, you are delusional. His story would probably be entertaining, but the book would need to be filed under "fiction."

No I don't read any of that and in fact abhor scandal sheets and watch very little television. I said that because it's the reality of today in what sells, not because I agree with it, personally. You also, obviously haven't read and taken into account what all I've said in my other posts in this thread. Of course his account of his life would be biased, as every one's is. His account is his perspective....his experiences as he saw them, warts and all. If however way he sees it that would be his truth to tell, warts and all....that's candor. As I also said, you may not always agree with what someone says but if they are fully forthright you have to respect that's what they think....even if you may not have any respect for the person due to your own bias and knowledge. Then you write your own book to counterbalance if you don't like what he said in his.

[Blueskies]

Personally, I don't read tabloids nor I'm into dirt. I was talking about the entertainment and selling factors considering that HH IS a character. Hence my comparison to Howard Stern.

Howard Stern was the player, and Herbie was a player. BIG difference. Howard wrote a book about his own life. Herbie was only part of a circus.

A non-biased, hardcore truth filled book about Journey simply cannot be written...

Well then what's the point of even talking about this any further?

So I'd go with what would sell nowadays.

Well that is not the reason to write a book. Fuck, I can write some Journey book that would sell, I could guarantee you that. How accurate it would be? Not 100% that too I can also guarantee.

Herbie was driving the circus caravan. He was the master of the puppets just like Howard is on air with his collaborators. HH's story would be about his own life too...with Journey.

These are just ideas we're talking about on here. Andrew's the one who's gonna take a decision. And yes, I agree, the reason to write a book is not for the sales but because you're passionate about writing and the subject. But sales need to be taken in consideration too. Writing means hard work and it must pay off.

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[Monker]

Bingo! You understand. People who have not seriously considered writing a novel simply don't. The more ideas thrown out means it is likely he is going to pick one. The longer he takes to decide on an idea, the less likely it is he will decide. The longer he takes to make a decision to start, the less likely it is that he will start. The more he 'thinks', the less he will 'do'.

Find out when all their non-disclosure agreements end, then you can start typing.

Andrew has already said that he has approached a few band members and they aren't interested in working with him on the project. Also, with HH there is no non-disclosure agreement so there would be nothing to wait on in that regard, all he would need to do is approach HH with the idea and go from there if he agreed and if thats what Andrew decided to do, of course.

As Monker and Texafana just stated he needs to make a decision and go for it. Sometimes we can think about doing something too much.....too many interests, too many ideas to where its hard to focus on one.....too much thinking about the what ifs.....the possible hurdles...the time and energy and costs required in several ways like in time, time taken from doing other things and cost in ways financially to achieving our goals. Too much thinking sometimes that holds us back from doing. He needs to shake the chafe from the wheat with his ideas and then focus entirely on one...the one, as Monker said, he is most interested in doing...and then not let anything stand in his way to doing it, to fully believe in it and believe in himself that he will achieve it and just let go of the restraints and go for it.

( and in saying this Andrew, I am not only talking to you but talking to myself. Too often I've looked outside myself for inspiration, motivation and direction....and just end up spinning my wheels. I realize that I can only really find it within myself... so kick yourself in the ass, choose a path and go for it and I will listen to my own advice as well ...let my wheels gain traction and see where it leads me..hopefully if I have enough belief and put the effort in it will lead me to where I want to be. )

[annpea]

What are these men criminals or something?.... I've always thought of them as just highly talented musicians; who suffered from huge ego problems nothing out of the ordinary to me considering the type of work that they do. After reading some of the posts here I am beginning to wonder what kind of people they really are!... will writing a book about them lead to swimming with the fish or something?

[Glenn]

I voted for the whole thing.

Neal, Jon, Ross not wanting to take part? So what? They don't really have a decent track record of being truthful.

Deen? Awesome guy but one of the worst bullshitters I have seen from the clan. Case in point : Back in 2006 when JSS took over he told a friend of mine how this was tearing the band apart and how it was Neal and JSS vs Himself, Ross, and Jon. He went on to say that they were ready to cut the tour, etc....The NEXT fucking day, he's in Houston wearing a JSS t-shirt, smiling all the time and having a great time with JSS. Still love the guy, but his quotes/stories need to be taken with a grain of salt.

JSS and Augeri? Well...Not sure we can get much from them right now due to the having to be hush hush for now.

Steve Perry? Could care less to hear from the man "who never felt like he was part of the band". It would be nice, but not needed.


Greg Rolie
Ansley Dunbar
Steve Smith
Robert Fleischman
George Tickner
Herbie Herbert
Prairie Prince
Larrie Londin
Mike Baird
Bob Glaub
and even Randy Jackson


All of them could/would have some insight to different periods of the band



Let's not forget the Producers :
Roy Halee
Roy Thomas Baker
Geoff Workman
Kevin Elson
Mike Stone
Kevin Shirley

and of course John Kalodner



Start with them Andrew...

[portland]

I voted full history....I would buy it and think you would do a really good job

[Don]

Don't forget the little things like the incident at Pine Knob.

[strangegrey]

Only do the whole thing if you can give us the good AND the bad, like getting the real skinny on Tape Gate, even if you have to interview that Scandinavian engineer. Don't sugarcoat anything. If Perry was up to his eyeballs in blow the first few years when he was hitting those insanely high notes, tell us so.

Couldn't have said it better....a whole history thing...needs to be written with full, blunt honesty and objectivity. Otherwise, it'll be a text version of the BTM.

Therefore, my vote was for a full history...

[Rockindeano]

What are these men criminals or something?

You have to seriously ask this?

2004, 2005 and 2006, at least 7 of these assholes were in fact criminals.

[Rick]

Only do the whole thing if you can give us the good AND the bad, like getting the real skinny on Tape Gate, even if you have to interview that Scandinavian engineer. Don't sugarcoat anything. If Perry was up to his eyeballs in blow the first few years when he was hitting those insanely high notes, tell us so.

Couldn't have said it better....a whole history thing...needs to be written with full, blunt honesty and objectivity. Otherwise, it'll be a text version of the BTM.

Therefore, my vote was for a full history...

You going to be in that book? You worked for them for a while, didn't you?

[whirlwind]

I doubt it can be done by you, Andrew.
Maybe Schon will get it done someday. He may still be needing big bucks and if he is as honest and frank as he is in his interviews, he could do it. I believe he has all the answers.

[Rockindeano]

I doubt it can be done by you, Andrew.
Maybe Schon will get it done someday. He may still be needing big bucks and if he is as honest and frank as he is in his interviews, he could do it. I believe he has all the answers.

Schon, honest and frank? LOL are you drinking? He lies more than a fucking rug! That guy could try to tell you it is raining when it's sunny and 85 degrees.

[Eric]

Complete candor? If you think HH is going to give an accurate and non-biased account of his days with Journey, you are delusional. His story would probably be entertaining, but the book would need to be filed under "fiction."

Fiction is not fair to say..biased maybe. The thing is, a lot of people would find it interesting and if Perry wanted to set the truth straight or tell his side then he could.

[Blueskies]

I doubt it can be done by you, Andrew.
Maybe Schon will get it done someday. He may still be needing big bucks and if he is as honest and frank as he is in his interviews, he could do it. I believe he has all the answers.

He would tell his perspective, the same as Perry or Herbert or anyone else would, and would be just as biased and may fall into glossing over any faults of his own like they all have done thru the years. It would be interesting to see who would be forthright and tell their story as straight and honestly as they can by telling the truth but giving the others some fairminded consideration and admitting their own mistakes. All in all any one person is going to have some bias and each member would have to speak to their own experience from their own perspective. So either Andrew does a book from the outside looking in or goes to the horses mouth....one horse at a time who is willing. It would be nice if all involved wanted to cooperate and speak for themselves where that could all then be compiled and all fairly heard within one text but that isn't going to happen so he has the two options I mentioned ....from the outside or from one willing participant at a time...and then ask again to the rest.

[whirlwind]

I doubt it can be done by you, Andrew.
Maybe Schon will get it done someday. He may still be needing big bucks and if he is as honest and frank as he is in his interviews, he could do it. I believe he has all the answers.

Schon, honest and frank? LOL are you drinking? He lies more than a fucking rug! That guy could try to tell you it is raining when it's sunny and 85 degrees.

Yeah, Schon will spill the beans if he tells all and I think that the time will come when he will find it profitable.

[Rockindeano]

I doubt it can be done by you, Andrew.
Maybe Schon will get it done someday. He may still be needing big bucks and if he is as honest and frank as he is in his interviews, he could do it. I believe he has all the answers.

Schon, honest and frank? LOL are you drinking? He lies more than a fucking rug! That guy could try to tell you it is raining when it's sunny and 85 degrees.

Yeah, Schon will spill the beans if he tells all and I think that the time will come when he will find it profitable.

I would say yes if he were drinking. I heard that guy in fact spill a lot of beans of which I won't repeat here, but now tha he is sober, I bet he is a lot sharper and has better judgment.

[whirlwind]

I doubt it can be done by you, Andrew.
Maybe Schon will get it done someday. He may still be needing big bucks and if he is as honest and frank as he is in his interviews, he could do it. I believe he has all the answers.

He would tell his perspective, the same as Perry or Herbert or anyone else would, and would be just as biased and may fall into glossing over any faults of his own like they all have done thru the years. It would be interesting to see who would be forthright and tell their story as straight and honestly as they can by telling the truth but giving the others some fairminded consideration and admitting their own mistakes. All in all any one person is going to have some bias and each member would have to speak to their own experience from their own perspective. So either Andrew does a book from the outside looking in or goes to the horses mouth....one horse at a time who is willing. It would be nice if all involved wanted to cooperate and speak for themselves where that could all then be compiled and all fairly heard within one text but that isn't going to happen so he has the two options I mentioned ....from the outside or from one willing participant at a time...and then ask again to the rest.

They all have things that they don't want revealed except Schon. He's been an open book. What don't we already know about him?

[Blueskies]

I doubt it can be done by you, Andrew.
Maybe Schon will get it done someday. He may still be needing big bucks and if he is as honest and frank as he is in his interviews, he could do it. I believe he has all the answers.

He would tell his perspective, the same as Perry or Herbert or anyone else would, and would be just as biased and may fall into glossing over any faults of his own like they all have done thru the years. It would be interesting to see who would be forthright and tell their story as straight and honestly as they can by telling the truth but giving the others some fairminded consideration and admitting their own mistakes. All in all any one person is going to have some bias and each member would have to speak to their own experience from their own perspective. So either Andrew does a book from the outside looking in or goes to the horses mouth....one horse at a time who is willing. It would be nice if all involved wanted to cooperate and speak for themselves where that could all then be compiled and all fairly heard within one text but that isn't going to happen so he has the two options I mentioned ....from the outside or from one willing participant at a time...and then ask again to the rest.

They all have things that they don't want revealed except Schon. He's been an open book. What don't we already know about him?

ok.. if you say so. . For some reason I'm reminded of a Perry loon who only see's perfection and no faults at all...what do you Schon loons call yourselves? perfection doesn't exist in anyone.