nothing wrong with this voice

[jrnyman28]

I agree, he looks worn out, that must have been towards the end, He s always dragged on it.For once Id like to her them do a song without the click track,Augeri even had trouble with the timing on it,That song should be played with feeling not to fucking click track

Dude, do you know what a click track actually is? You wouldn't be able to tell if a song was played with a click track or if one was not. If it's used, they just pipe it in to the drummer's in-ear monitor so he can keep time. It's not like the rest of the band hears a constant clicking in their ear for the whole song. They go off what the drummer plays, who goes off what the click track tells him.

If the singer has trouble with the timing on the song, it's a problem with his phrasing. And I agree, Arnel draws out some phrases in certain inconvenient places that end up making him late on other parts and have to rush through certain places. But thinking that this issue is a click track problem isn't correct.

Something that really bothers me. I don't mind changing it up, but if it sounds like you have to catch up for what you did than it doesn't work.

[stevew2]

I agree, he looks worn out, that must have been towards the end, He s always dragged on it.For once Id like to her them do a song without the click track,Augeri even had trouble with the timing on it,That song should be played with feeling not to fucking click track

Dude, do you know what a click track actually is? You wouldn't be able to tell if a song was played with a click track or if one was not. If it's used, they just pipe it in to the drummer's in-ear monitor so he can keep time. It's not like the rest of the band hears a constant clicking in their ear for the whole song. They go off what the drummer plays, who goes off what the click track tells him.

If the singer has trouble with the timing on the song, it's a problem with his phrasing. And I agree, Arnel draws out some phrases in certain inconvenient places that end up making him late on other parts and have to rush through certain places. But thinking that this issue is a click track problem isn't correct.

I know what a click track is,they dont fuckin need it till the rest of the band comes in,pausing extending the phrase can be done begining of the song, till the drums come in, after that use the click track Augeri had same problem at the begining of the song, Friga was rushing the fucker cause of the click track When its just Piano and voice the singer and piano player should be able to gel enough not to need a click track

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Dude, do you know what a click track actually is? You wouldn't be able to tell if a song was played with a click track or if one was not. If it's used, they just pipe it in to the drummer's in-ear monitor so he can keep time. It's not like the rest of the band hears a constant clicking in their ear for the whole song. They go off what the drummer plays, who goes off what the click track tells him.

If the singer has trouble with the timing on the song, it's a problem with his phrasing. And I agree, Arnel draws out some phrases in certain inconvenient places that end up making him late on other parts and have to rush through certain places. But thinking that this issue is a click track problem isn't correct.

Something that really bothers me. I don't mind changing it up, but if it sounds like you have to catch up for what you did than it doesn't work.

That's what troubles me the most with some of Arnel's performances. I'm fine with everything else he brings to the table. But it bothers me when he tries to mix up the phrasing of the songs. I know he's trying to put a new spin on it, and I'm okay with that philosophy and it works sometimes. But other times it is extremely noticeable and kills the flow of the song. Especially on Faithfully and Wheel In The Sky.

We all know that the strength of some of Journey's song (like Faithfully and Wheel In The Sky, among others) is how the vocal line and the guitar line mesh together. But when Arnel phrases it differently than Neal plays it, it falls flat and ends up being more a nuisance than a new touch on the song. He falls behind the guitar line, then rushes to catch up and ends up passing it only to hold a really long note...ehh, does not work for me and needs to go from his live performances.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

If the singer has trouble with the timing on the song, it's a problem with his phrasing. And I agree, Arnel draws out some phrases in certain inconvenient places that end up making him late on other parts and have to rush through certain places. But thinking that this issue is a click track problem isn't correct.I know what a click track is,they dont fuckin need it till the rest of the band comes in,pausing extending the phrase can be done begining of the song, till the drums come in, after that use the click track Augeri had same problem at the begining of the song, Friga was rushing the fucker cause of the click track When its just Piano and voice the singer and piano player should be able to gel enough not to need a click track

Again, that's a problem with the singer's phrasing and not a click track. It's not Jonathan Cain's fault, either (as much as it hurts you to believe that ). In the case of Faithfully (which I think is the song you're talking about), it's the singer's job to go off whatever tempo the piano player sets at the beginning.

The phrasing issues that are very evident on some of Arnel's performances are not the fault of a click track or the rest of the band.

[Rockindeano]

You watch that and then watch Perry and it's no contest. Sounds tuned down to me and I can really tell. And what the living fuck is up with Ross' lettuce? His hair looks ridiculous. What's he got on their, at least a can of Aqua Net? Dude, lose that feathered faggoty shit already.

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She's right steve, I worked all night, but that's no excuse. Fucking retarded mistake I just made.

[stevew2]

If the singer has trouble with the timing on the song, it's a problem with his phrasing. And I agree, Arnel draws out some phrases in certain inconvenient places that end up making him late on other parts and have to rush through certain places. But thinking that this issue is a click track problem isn't correct.I know what a click track is,they dont fuckin need it till the rest of the band comes in,pausing extending the phrase can be done begining of the song, till the drums come in, after that use the click track Augeri had same problem at the begining of the song, Friga was rushing the fucker cause of the click track When its just Piano and voice the singer and piano player should be able to gel enough not to need a click track

Again, that's a problem with the singer's phrasing and not a click track. It's not Jonathan Cain's fault, either (as much as it hurts you to believe that ). In the case of Faithfully (which I think is the song you're talking about), it's the singer's job to go off whatever tempo the piano player sets at the beginning.

The phrasing issues that are very evident on some of Arnel's performances are not the fault of a click track or the rest of the band.

I agree with most of what you are saying when the guitar and the drums come in.. I always thought Friga rushing the begining of the song,If Arnel wants to try to put his spin on it ,this would be time to do it and him and Friga could work that out {if there wasnt a tick tock in his ears. Frigas so afraid of playing live, that would never happen.Once the drums come just sing the fuckin song

[Don]

Dude, do you know what a click track actually is? You wouldn't be able to tell if a song was played with a click track or if one was not. If it's used, they just pipe it in to the drummer's in-ear monitor so he can keep time. It's not like the rest of the band hears a constant clicking in their ear for the whole song. They go off what the drummer plays, who goes off what the click track tells him.

If the singer has trouble with the timing on the song, it's a problem with his phrasing. And I agree, Arnel draws out some phrases in certain inconvenient places that end up making him late on other parts and have to rush through certain places. But thinking that this issue is a click track problem isn't correct.

Something that really bothers me. I don't mind changing it up, but if it sounds like you have to catch up for what you did than it doesn't work.

That's what troubles me the most with some of Arnel's performances. I'm fine with everything else he brings to the table. But it bothers me when he tries to mix up the phrasing of the songs. I know he's trying to put a new spin on it, and I'm okay with that philosophy and it works sometimes. But other times it is extremely noticeable and kills the flow of the song. Especially on Faithfully and Wheel In The Sky.

We all know that the strength of some of Journey's song (like Faithfully and Wheel In The Sky, among others) is how the vocal line and the guitar line mesh together. But when Arnel phrases it differently than Neal plays it, it falls flat and ends up being more a nuisance than a new touch on the song. He falls behind the guitar line, then rushes to catch up and ends up passing it only to hold a really long note...ehh, does not work for me and needs to go from his live performances.

I loved how they would lead into this with the vocal/guitar duet at their overseas shows during the Departure and Escape Tour.
I think once you get comfortable enough with another musician, you can fix the timing issues on the fly. I think Steve and Smitty worked off of each other a lot during live shows. and that was definitely part of the magic that the classic Journey line up had going for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F2lSvG9Ask

[Rockindeano]

steve, Journey uses a click track on every song. Deen gets the tune in his ear, and they play off that. Their IEM's all hear that. How you think Schon went off on a crazy long solo when Augeri was miming? He heard it all playing, and knew when to return to the song. I know I know, Schon had no idea they were lipping. Even on Faithfully, there is a click track. On this piano driven and started song, i bet you my asshole Cain starts off the song with help from some computer assisted program.

[stevew2]

You watch that and then watch Perry and it's no contest. Sounds tuned down to me and I can really tell. And what the living fuck is up with Ross' lettuce? His hair looks ridiculous. What's he got on their, at least a can of Aqua Net? Dude, lose that feathered faggoty shit already.

there

They re

they're

She's right steve, I worked all night, but that's no excuse. Fucking retarded mistake I just made.

no problem, I do the same on a rare occasion

[Rockindeano]

I loved how they would lead into this with the vocal/guitar duet at their overseas shows during the Departure and Escape Tour.
I think once you get comfortable enough with another musician, you can fix the timing issues on the fly. I think Steve and Smitty worked off of each other a lot during live shows. and that was definitely part of the magic that the classic Journey line up had going for it.

Are you looking over my shoulder? I had this almost exact post ready to go. Perry talked about this countless times. Perry, a drummer himself, communicated with SS and Smith knew how to drum "for a singer." Those guys did work like peanut butter and jelly.

[stevew2]

steve, Journey uses a click track on every song. Deen gets the tune in his ear, and they play off that. Their IEM's all hear that. How you think Schon went off on a crazy long solo when Augeri was miming? He heard it all playing, and knew when to return to the song. I know I know, Schon had no idea they were lipping. Even on Faithfully, there is a click track. On this piano driven and started song, i bet you my asshole Cain starts off the song with help from some computer assisted program.

They knew about the lipping, hell friga was lipping to, Id rather Friga just play the intro its sounds rushed like he he s trying to jam it down your throat

[Ehwmatt]

I agree, he looks worn out, that must have been towards the end, He s always dragged on it.For once Id like to her them do a song without the click track,Augeri even had trouble with the timing on it,That song should be played with feeling not to fucking click track

Dude, do you know what a click track actually is? You wouldn't be able to tell if a song was played with a click track or if one was not. If it's used, they just pipe it in to the drummer's in-ear monitor so he can keep time. It's not like the rest of the band hears a constant clicking in their ear for the whole song. They go off what the drummer plays, who goes off what the click track tells him.

If the singer has trouble with the timing on the song, it's a problem with his phrasing. And I agree, Arnel draws out some phrases in certain inconvenient places that end up making him late on other parts and have to rush through certain places. But thinking that this issue is a click track problem isn't correct.

I know what a click track is,they dont fuckin need it till the rest of the band comes in,pausing extending the phrase can be done begining of the song, till the drums come in, after that use the click track Augeri had same problem at the begining of the song, Friga was rushing the fucker cause of the click track When its just Piano and voice the singer and piano player should be able to gel enough not to need a click track

Absolutely 100% agree with the bolded - chemistry is so important to truly sounding good.

[stevew2]

I agree, he looks worn out, that must have been towards the end, He s always dragged on it.For once Id like to her them do a song without the click track,Augeri even had trouble with the timing on it,That song should be played with feeling not to fucking click track

Dude, do you know what a click track actually is? You wouldn't be able to tell if a song was played with a click track or if one was not. If it's used, they just pipe it in to the drummer's in-ear monitor so he can keep time. It's not like the rest of the band hears a constant clicking in their ear for the whole song. They go off what the drummer plays, who goes off what the click track tells him.

If the singer has trouble with the timing on the song, it's a problem with his phrasing. And I agree, Arnel draws out some phrases in certain inconvenient places that end up making him late on other parts and have to rush through certain places. But thinking that this issue is a click track problem isn't correct.

I know what a click track is,they dont fuckin need it till the rest of the band comes in,pausing extending the phrase can be done begining of the song, till the drums come in, after that use the click track Augeri had same problem at the begining of the song, Friga was rushing the fucker cause of the click track When its just Piano and voice the singer and piano player should be able to gel enough not to need a click track

Absolutely 100% agree with the bolded - chemistry is so important to truly sounding good.

Somebody finally gets it, thanks

[jrnyman28]

Could you imagine if the band just JAMMED for a while?!?!?!?

[whirlwind]

I loved how they would lead into this with the vocal/guitar duet at their overseas shows during the Departure and Escape Tour.
I think once you get comfortable enough with another musician, you can fix the timing issues on the fly. I think Steve and Smitty worked off of each other a lot during live shows. and that was definitely part of the magic that the classic Journey line up had going for it.

Are you looking over my shoulder? I had this almost exact post ready to go. Perry talked about this countless times. Perry, a drummer himself, communicated with SS and Smith knew how to drum "for a singer." Those guys did work like peanut butter and jelly.

Perry said that Smitty was his conductor.

[PDiddy75]

I think he sounds muddied on OA. There is absolutely no connectivity with the crowd. He is just getting through it. No contrasting, no high and charp lows..all just...going through it.

You watch that and then watch Perry and it's no contest. Sounds tuned down to me and I can really tell. And what the living fuck is up with Ross' lettuce? His hair looks ridiculous. What's he got on their, at least a can of Aqua Net? Dude, lose that feathered faggoty shit already.

I hate to do it...but I have to agree with you on this one!!
Open Arms, being one of my selective favs...I was not at all connected to this go around with it! Ive seen other YouTube versions that I could listen to over and over again...and the one version Ive seen live...and this just dont do anything for me! Loved Arnels shirt though...would have looked even better with his tight little black leather pants too!!

[JRNYFan]

Could you imagine if the band just JAMMED for a while?!?!?!?

People would yell "play something good!" or "play Journey!"

[Chubby321]

I just saw AP talk about Patiently, Wind of March and WCTNGOF.

[steveo777]

I just saw AP talk about Patiently, Wind of March and WCTNGOF.

Saw him talk about these where...interview? Play the damn things then! I'd love to hear him try those!

[Chubby321]

I just saw AP talk about Patiently, Wind of March and WCTNGOF.

Saw him talk about these where...interview? Play the damn things then! I'd love to hear him try those!

At the SB, apparently some people saw them rehearsing at PALA.

[brandonx76]

Yeah, dug the extended guitar bridge - but sounded d-tuned to me...wonder if the new DVD will not be d-tuned, but will include this extended version...I like what they're doing arrangement wise.

[steveo777]

Yeah, dug the extended guitar bridge - but sounded d-tuned to me...wonder if the new DVD will not be d-tuned, but will include this extended version...I like what they're doing arrangement wise.

The Manila concert was not tuned down. The DVD should be quite good.

[stevew2]

I think he sounds muddied on OA. There is absolutely no connectivity with the crowd. He is just getting through it. No contrasting, no high and charp lows..all just...going through it.

You watch that and then watch Perry and it's no contest. Sounds tuned down to me and I can really tell. And what the living fuck is up with Ross' lettuce? His hair looks ridiculous. What's he got on their, at least a can of Aqua Net? Dude, lose that feathered faggoty shit already.

I hate to do it...but I have to agree with you on this one!!
Open Arms, being one of my selective favs...I was not at all connected to this go around with it! Ive seen other YouTube versions that I could listen to over and over again...and the one version Ive seen live...and this just dont do anything for me! Loved Arnels shirt though...would have looked even better with his tight little black leather pants too!!

Are they your real teeth

[Since 78]

I just saw AP talk about Patiently, Wind of March and WCTNGOF.

Saw him talk about these where...interview? Play the damn things then! I'd love to hear him try those!

At the SB, apparently some people saw them rehearsing at PALA.

Those songs?????

[portland]

I just saw AP talk about Patiently, Wind of March and WCTNGOF.

Saw him talk about these where...interview? Play the damn things then! I'd love to hear him try those!

At the SB, apparently some people saw them rehearsing at PALA.

Those songs?????

Well that will be interesting to see and quite an undertaking IMO....those songs cannot be 1/2 done is all or nothing.

[Since 78]

I just saw AP talk about Patiently, Wind of March and WCTNGOF.

Saw him talk about these where...interview? Play the damn things then! I'd love to hear him try those!

At the SB, apparently some people saw them rehearsing at PALA.

Those songs?????

Well that will be interesting to see and quite an undertaking IMO....those songs cannot be 1/2 done is all or nothing.

I believe Dean has done Patiently, IF they were practicing those songs, Id like to know who sang. I think AP could pull them off vocally if they would let him, but not on a consistent basis. It would be cool to see him try them for a show or two.

[Deb]

I just saw AP talk about Patiently, Wind of March and WCTNGOF.

Saw him talk about these where...interview? Play the damn things then! I'd love to hear him try those!

At the SB, apparently some people saw them rehearsing at PALA.

Those songs?????

Well that will be interesting to see and quite an undertaking IMO....those songs cannot be 1/2 done is all or nothing.

I believe Dean has done Patiently, IF they were practicing those songs, Id like to know who sang. I think AP could pull them off vocally if they would let him, but not on a consistent basis. It would be cool to see him try them for a show or two.

Yep. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyhYD9KJmiU

[stevew2]

I just saw AP talk about Patiently, Wind of March and WCTNGOF.

Saw him talk about these where...interview? Play the damn things then! I'd love to hear him try those!

At the SB, apparently some people saw them rehearsing at PALA.

Those songs?????

Well that will be interesting to see and quite an undertaking IMO....those songs cannot be 1/2 done is all or nothing.

I believe Dean has done Patiently, IF they were practicing those songs, Id like to know who sang. I think AP could pull them off vocally if they would let him, but not on a consistent basis. It would be cool to see him try them for a show or two.

Yep. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyhYD9KJmiU

What Friga doing holding that guitar/ He looks even more like a dork with them shades on

[sonorstks]

[/quote]

[b]I believe Dean has done Patiently

Yep. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyhYD9KJmiU[/quote]

Very nice!!!

[Don]

Patiently and Winds Of March suits Deen's voice quite well as he has an ethereal type sound and barely any baritone which fits with what these songs require.
WCTNGOF is a song I wanted to hear last year. Now, though, after hearing how Faithfully sounds stepped down and Arnel's inability of late to produce that one clean (as in not sounding like a gargled scream) high note at the end which would be required, I think it would come off rather poorly.
To be fair, I'll wait for the youtube videos before I give any further analysis.