Favre is back.

[Gibby]

I only a year's time Favre has managed to seriously damage his image and legacy. What a complete douche. All the back and forth soap opera crap is so old and tired - just like his arm. I used to respect Favre - now I cringe when I see him or any reports about him.

[pinkfloyd1973]

Say what you guys want.. EVERYTHING BUT FOOTBALL ASIDE.. The Vikings are better with Favre at the helm rather than Sage Fucking Rosenwhatever and Tavaris Fucking Jackson, excuse my language. I don't agree with how Favre handled ANY of these situations since March of 2008. But, this is going to provide NFL fans with a helluva storyline and you'd all be liars to say you won't watch that Monday Night when Favre heads to Green Bay at Lambeu field. I think I'm the only one that's lovin this move by the Vikes.

Until, like someone else said, he gets hit hard (especially in his bad arm) and his career is over. A lot of people (especially Green Bay and the Bears) will be gunning for him now, he might as well be wearing a great big target on his back



Robin

In the game of football, everybody is gunning for everybody. Brett Favre holds the record for consecutive starts in ALL of sports. He hasn't missed a start ever since his first start in 1992. What makes you think in 18 years worth of hits, that 1 hit is going to change that? The man is invulnerable. Yes he's older, yes he had surgery, but 100% of football players play through pain, and this is no different. Hits won't stop Favre or scare Favre anytime soon.

Prolly because he's older and one hit to his bad arm (which happens to be his throwing arm) and it's over, no one is unvulnerable


Robin

[S2M]

Consecutive games played

269 - Brett Favre 1992-Present

2,632 - Cal Ripken, Jr., Baltimore Orioles - May 30, 1982 through September 19, 1998

Record is bogus.....It should be called 'Consecutive games started'....cause he didn't finish all those games. Or, 'Consecutive games appeared in'...

[pinkfloyd1973]

This was my nephew's facebook status a couple hours ago:

"Brett Farve I hope you have a career ending injury this year you homo"

In preseason.

lol, there's always Da Bears

Robin

[S2M]

Record is bogus

Okey Dokey

And so isn't Joe D's 56

[Peartree12249]

I only a year's time Favre has managed to seriously damage his image and legacy. What a complete douche. All the back and forth soap opera crap is so old and tired - just like his arm. I used to respect Favre - now I cringe when I see him or any reports about him.

It hasn't been one year. This drama been going on a lot longer. Don't forget that the Green Bay fans went through all this every year for 3 years prior to Brett leaving Green Bay to play for the Jets. At the end of every season Brett would hint he was thinking of retiring, then he'd wait until the last min to announce he was coming back. That's why Ted Thompson just got fed up and didn't beg Brett to come back last season after he cried on TV and announced that he was positively retiring. I've always been a huge Farve fan, but now I wish he'd just go back to Hattiesburg and ride around on his tractor and GO AWAY.

[T-Bone]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... ortCat=nfl

[Saint John]

Brett Favre is actually a HORRID dome player, and his record is well under .500 when playing in Domes. I think it's like 6-13, or 6-14 or something, not sure the exact W-L's but no, he has not thrived in games when playing in a Dome. He's played in Green Bay for 17 years of his career, and we all know the field is frozen in October when it comes to Lambeu. If anyone, Favre is the ultimate player when playing in cold weather.

Early in his career he was a great cold weather QB, but the last half decade-plus have been brutal to him and his fortunes changed. Here:

But the arrival of the 21st century signaled a change in Favre's fortunes. Maybe it was just the maturity of having eight NFL seasons under his belt. Maybe he stopped fearing the great indoors, for Favre has won half of his 20 starts indoors this decade.

In his seven starts at the Metrodome this decade, Favre has fashioned a 4-3 record and a 98.8 passer efficiency rating. He has thrown 17 TD passes with only six interceptions and four sacks. Favre has passed for 300 yards in each of his last three trips to the Metrodome and hasn't thrown an interception in his last two visits.


Favre is on a personal three-game win streak and overall has won six of his last eight games indoors. In those 20 starts this decade at the Metrodome, Ford Field, the Georgia Dome, Edward Jones Dome, RCA Dome, Silverdome, Superdome and Reliant Stadium, Favre has thrown 43 touchdown passes and only 26 interceptions for a 91.2 passer efficiency rating. [/i]

[YoungJRNY]

Brett Favre is actually a HORRID dome player, and his record is well under .500 when playing in Domes. I think it's like 6-13, or 6-14 or something, not sure the exact W-L's but no, he has not thrived in games when playing in a Dome. He's played in Green Bay for 17 years of his career, and we all know the field is frozen in October when it comes to Lambeu. If anyone, Favre is the ultimate player when playing in cold weather.

Early in his career he was a great cold weather QB, but the last half decade-plus have been brutal to him and his fortunes changed. Here:

But the arrival of the 21st century signaled a change in Favre's fortunes. Maybe it was just the maturity of having eight NFL seasons under his belt. Maybe he stopped fearing the great indoors, for Favre has won half of his 20 starts indoors this decade.

In his seven starts at the Metrodome this decade, Favre has fashioned a 4-3 record and a 98.8 passer efficiency rating. He has thrown 17 TD passes with only six interceptions and four sacks. Favre has passed for 300 yards in each of his last three trips to the Metrodome and hasn't thrown an interception in his last two visits.


Favre is on a personal three-game win streak and overall has won six of his last eight games indoors. In those 20 starts this decade at the Metrodome, Ford Field, the Georgia Dome, Edward Jones Dome, RCA Dome, Silverdome, Superdome and Reliant Stadium, Favre has thrown 43 touchdown passes and only 26 interceptions for a 91.2 passer efficiency rating. [/i]

He's 21-24 overall in Dome's and 6-10 lifetime in the Metrodome.

[Eric]

His retiring/not retiring Green Bay vengeance act is so tired. The guy is a pathological liar and an egomaniacal douchebag.

And I am not just saying this as a Jet fan who witnessed his 'greatness' while he fucked up the last 5 games of our season.

Go away, old man. GO AWAY ALREADY.

He was hurt the last 5 games and it was on Mangini to man up and be a coach and sit him down. Favre was also an MVP candidate through week 11

[Eric]

I only a year's time Favre has managed to seriously damage his image and legacy. What a complete douche. All the back and forth soap opera crap is so old and tired - just like his arm. I used to respect Favre - now I cringe when I see him or any reports about him.

Funny how people are more upset with someone who can't decide if he wants to retire or not than they are with players who are:

Dog abusers
Women abusers
Murderers
Druggies
Carry loaded weapons
Have huge egos with no rings


Bottom line, the last 2 seasons Favre has:

7500 yards
50 TD's
65% completetion Percentage
84 QB ratings
23 wins

AND...Jets improved 5 games with him and Pack slid 8 games without him

[YoungJRNY]

His retiring/not retiring Green Bay vengeance act is so tired. The guy is a pathological liar and an egomaniacal douchebag.

And I am not just saying this as a Jet fan who witnessed his 'greatness' while he fucked up the last 5 games of our season.

Go away, old man. GO AWAY ALREADY.

He was hurt the last 5 games and it was on Mangini to man up and be a coach and sit him down. Favre was also an MVP candidate through week 11

The Jets were what? 8-3 at one point, and during that stretch won games such as New England in New England and beat undefeated Tennessee at Tennessee. They were riding high until such problems occured. Favre isn't washed up. He had an injury in his bicep..throwing arm mind you and he still finished the season. I'm a Favre backer, I know some aren't but to say he's washed up after leading Green Bay 2 years ago to the NFC Champ and leading an average Jets team to an 8-3 start isn't a quarterback who's washed up. Favre is going to tear Green Bay a new asshole this year, esp. since GB's running defense is pathetic and Peterson is just evil and will tear them apart under the Favre shadow.

[madsplash]

oy vay..

Favre is gonna take a Joe Thiesman hit and its gonna be over....

Yea, he's missed so many games before, hasn't he? NONE.

One of the 3 best QB's ever. He can still play. If he hadn't hurt his arm last year, he was having a great year.

I hope he pounds the ungreatful Packers.

Who are the other 2.....

Marino is 1st, Favre is 2nd and Elway and Montana are tied for 3rd.

[Blueskies]

This is a good list of selections choosen with some key factors in mind beyond stats....

Top 10 List: NFL Quarterbacks
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Ar ... backs.html

[Rick]

This is a good list of selections choosen with some key factors in mind beyond stats....

Top 10 List: NFL Quarterbacks
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Ar ... backs.html

I can't wait for everyone to chime in on that list.

[Blueskies]

This is a good list of selections choosen with some key factors in mind beyond stats....

Top 10 List: NFL Quarterbacks
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Ar ... backs.html

I can't wait for everyone to chime in on that list.

I think it's a good listing but this is MR so, yep, a debate starter for sure.

[Since 78]

This is a good list of selections choosen with some key factors in mind beyond stats....

Top 10 List: NFL Quarterbacks
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Ar ... backs.html

I can't wait for everyone to chime in on that list.

Wheres Big Ben?

[Don]

This is a good list of selections choosen with some key factors in mind beyond stats....

Top 10 List: NFL Quarterbacks
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Ar ... backs.html

Looks correct to me.

[Peartree12249]

As a loyal cheesehead, you certainly won't get an argument out of me. I think Bart Starr has often been overlooked in the great quarterback debate. He wasn't flashy, he was a humble, quiet unassuming man who week after week went out and got the job done. Green Bay would not be know as "Titletown" without him.

As far as the rest of the list, I also think it's a pretty fair analysis.

[Peartree12249]

As a loyal cheesehead, you certainly won't get an argument out of me. I think Bart Starr has often been overlooked in the great quarterback debate. He wasn't flashy, he was a humble, quiet unassuming man who week after week went out and got the job done. Green Bay would not be know as "Titletown" without him.

As far as the rest of the list, I also think it's a pretty fair analysis.

[madsplash]

This is a good list of selections choosen with some key factors in mind beyond stats....

Top 10 List: NFL Quarterbacks
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Ar ... backs.html

I can't wait for everyone to chime in on that list.

Wheres Big Ben?

He's not even close. Do you know how many Super Bowls Dan Marino would have won with that defense?

That's why Super Bowls aren't a good measuring stick for QB's. If that's the case them Rypien and Dilfer and Doug Williams are better than Marino and Fouts. That's dumb

[Since 78]

This is a good list of selections choosen with some key factors in mind beyond stats....

Top 10 List: NFL Quarterbacks
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Ar ... backs.html

I can't wait for everyone to chime in on that list.

Wheres Big Ben?

He's not even close. Do you know how many Super Bowls Dan Marino would have won with that defense?

That's why Super Bowls aren't a good measuring stick for QB's. If that's the case them Rypien and Dilfer and Doug Williams are better than Marino and Fouts. That's dumb

Well, using your logic, Marino might not have won any with that defense. So, you're saying that
the Patriots win those Super bowls without Brady, SF without Montana.
As I remember Santonio Holmes didn't throw that last second touch down to himself.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

I only a year's time Favre has managed to seriously damage his image and legacy. What a complete douche. All the back and forth soap opera crap is so old and tired - just like his arm. I used to respect Favre - now I cringe when I see him or any reports about him.

Funny how people are more upset with someone who can't decide if he wants to retire or not than they are with players who are:

Dog abusers
Women abusers
Murderers
Druggies
Carry loaded weapons
Have huge egos with no rings


Bottom line, the last 2 seasons Favre has:

7500 yards
50 TD's
65% completetion Percentage
84 QB ratings
23 wins

AND...Jets improved 5 games with him and Pack slid 8 games without him

Yea but come on man, here comes another Farve / Perry parallel . Perry didnt do anything to hurt or jip anybody here coming out of an then going back into retirement in the 90s. Farve aint done wrong to nobody here with his ping ponging in an out of retirement.
But as it is with Perry it is with Farve - it is our god given right to diss the guy , cut him to ribbons , and argue the toss incessantly. Pile on people

[Enigma869]

Brett Favre is nothing more than a media creation. He's the most overrated QB since Troy Aikman, but at least Aikman won more than one championship! The reality is that Favre has only played in 3 playoff games in the past 10 years, and 2 of the three were lost by Favre throwing an interception and setting up the winning field goal. The guy has made a complete jackass out of himself over the past 5 years with his yearly retirement speeches. I don't know how the most ardent Favre supporter could support the guy, at this point. Fuck Favre. I hope he shits his Depends when he takes his first hit of the season!

[Enigma869]

Bottom line, the last 2 seasons Favre has:

7500 yards
50 TD's
65% completetion Percentage
84 QB ratings
23 wins

You forgot to mention that he also had an ASTONISHING 37 interceptions over the past two seasons (Most in the NFL, by the way), and that he pissed away yet another playoff game during those two years by throwing another one of his endless, careless interceptions, that cost his team the game! If you want to praise the guy, fine...but, tell the whole story! Contrary to what many cheeseheads say, Favre isn't a top 5 QB of all time, and in my opinion, not even a top 10 QB of all time. He simply makes WAY too many mistakes for a guy playing that position. The real bottom line is that the NFL judges QB's by championships, and always has. It's the only reason that guys like Aikman and Bradshaw got anywhere near the hall of fame. Favre has won as many championships as Doug Williams and Trent Dilfer!

[madsplash]

Brett Favre is nothing more than a media creation. He's the most overrated QB since Troy Aikman, but at least Aikman won more than one championship! The reality is that Favre has only played in 3 playoff games in the past 10 years, and 2 of the three were lost by Favre throwing an interception and setting up the winning field goal. The guy has made a complete jackass out of himself over the past 5 years with his yearly retirement speeches. I don't know how the most ardent Favre supporter could support the guy, at this point. Fuck Favre. I hope he shits his Depends when he takes his first hit of the season!

C'mon man. At least he didn't cheat by taping the other teams defensive signals.

Talk about "tainted" championships.

Overated? That would be Little Ben.

[Enigma869]

C'mon man. At least he didn't cheat by taping the other teams defensive signals.

Talk about "tainted" championships.

Overated? That would be Little Ben.

This post has nothing to do with the cheating Patriots, moron! It has to do with a nearly 40 year old, washed up, once, better than average NFL QB, who simply can't make a fucking decision! While Roethlisberger may not be a great NFL QB, he has more championships than Favre will ever win, and that's all that even matters. For all of the so-called "records" that Favre has, most of them don't mean a whole lot and are a product of longevity. Hell, if you play in the NFL for 15-20 years, you're going to have a record or three. Just don't ever lose sight of the fact that Favre also holds the record for the most interceptions, EVER thrown by an NFL QB!

[YoungJRNY]

Brett Favre is nothing more than a media creation. He's the most overrated QB since Troy Aikman, but at least Aikman won more than one championship! The reality is that Favre has only played in 3 playoff games in the past 10 years, and 2 of the three were lost by Favre throwing an interception and setting up the winning field goal. The guy has made a complete jackass out of himself over the past 5 years with his yearly retirement speeches. I don't know how the most ardent Favre supporter could support the guy, at this point. Fuck Favre. I hope he shits his Depends when he takes his first hit of the season!

C'mon man. At least he didn't cheat by taping the other teams defensive signals.

Talk about "tainted" championships.

Overated? That would be Little Ben.

madsplash you're just a hater. Ben is by far the youngest quarterback stud in the game. Ben is the youngest Quarterback to win a Super Bowl (winning 2 out of 4 years.. and one of only 10 to have multiple), set rookie records, and is the fastest Quarterback to win 51 games in just 3 seasons.. which includes the company of John Elway, Dan Marino, and the 'great all mighty,' Tom Brady.. and he is only 27 years old.. entering the PRIME of his career. He is in FULL command of a team with Championship history, and is the leader of the team that is STACKED.

Even though the offense sputtered last year at times and had the privileged of playing under one of the most daunting defense's ever.. he engineered comeback wins in the closing seconds when the D broke down..including the Super Bowl, and is one of the best.. if not the best, clutch Quarterback in the NFL. You'd be a fool not to take this man on your team.

I was watching ESPN today, and they had a poll on which QB would you take.. Rivers/Manning or Ben (class of '04) to lead your team. He won an astounding 61% of sports nation's vote. That doesn't come with over-rated.. nor does the overall FOOTBALL PLAYER in his heart. It's been fun watching a player of his caliber in Pittsburgh after so many piss poor players at the QB position. Say what you want.. but the man doesn't know how to lose.. and he doesn't.

Here's a tib bit on Ben ad I did research from the overall outlook of NFL records.

* Most Regular Season Wins in a Season, Rookie QB — 13 (2004)

* Longest regular season win streak to start a career for a NFL QB — 15 games. (won all 13 starts in the 2004 season, won first 2 games of the 2005 season)

* Highest Passer Rating, Rookie Season — 98.1 (2004)

* Highest Completion Percentage, Rookie Season — 66.4% (2004)

* (Tie) Most Touchdown Passes, Monday Night Football game — 5 (11/5/2007 vs. Baltimore Ravens)

* First QB to start two Conference Championship games in first two seasons in the NFL (2004 & 2005)

* Youngest starting QB ever to win the Super Bowl (2005; second-youngest QB to play in the Super Bowl, behind Dan Marino)

* Roethlisberger became the second quarterback in NFL history, along with Peyton Manning, to register three perfect passing games during the regular season, and the only quarterback to ever register two perfect passing games in one regular season.

* Most wins as a starting quarterback in first five NFL seasons (reg. season only) - 51 (from 2004-2008)

* Tied for most seasons with one or more postseason starts in the first five years in the league since 1960, with four starts (tied with Bernie Kosar, Neil O'Donnell, Donovan McNabb, and Eli Manning).

Ben is 62-25 as a starter including playoffs entering his 5th season. (You should of known better to get me started, madsplash) ShamefuckinSHAME.
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But anyway.. I have mixed feelings on this Favre saga. One minute I think he has it left in the tank, the next I feel the 2nd half for the season for Favre and the Vikes will be brutal. It all depends how fast out the gate they roll, earning team chemistry and respect. The locker room is KEY for Favre and the Vikes. It's going to be interesting.

[Enigma869]

madsplash you're just a hater. Ben is by far the youngest quarterback stud in the game. Ben is the youngest Quarterback to win a Super Bowl (winning 2 out of 4 years.. and one of only 10 to have multiple), set rookie records, and is the fastest Quarterback to win 51 games in just 3 seasons.. which includes the company of John Elway, Dan Marino, and the 'great all mighty,' Tom Brady.. and he is only 27 years old.. entering the PRIME of his career. He is in FULL command of a team with Championship history, and is the leader of the team that is STACKED.

Even though the offense sputtered last year at times and had the privileged of playing under one of the most daunting defense's ever.. he engineered comeback wins in the closing seconds when the D broke down..including the Super Bowl, and is one of the best.. if not the best, clutch Quarterback in the NFL. You'd be a fool not to take this man on your team.

I was watching ESPN today, and they had a poll on which QB would you take.. Rivers/Manning or Ben (class of '04) to lead your team. He won an astounding 61% of sports nation's vote. That doesn't come with over-rated.. nor does the overall FOOTBALL PLAYER in his heart. It's been fun watching a player of his caliber in Pittsburgh after so many piss poor players at the QB position. Say what you want.. but the man doesn't know how to lose.. and he doesn't.

Here's a tib bit on Ben ad I did research from the overall outlook of NFL records.

* Most Regular Season Wins in a Season, Rookie QB — 13 (2004)

* Longest regular season win streak to start a career for a NFL QB — 15 games. (won all 13 starts in the 2004 season, won first 2 games of the 2005 season)

* Highest Passer Rating, Rookie Season — 98.1 (2004)

* Highest Completion Percentage, Rookie Season — 66.4% (2004)

* (Tie) Most Touchdown Passes, Monday Night Football game — 5 (11/5/2007 vs. Baltimore Ravens)

* First QB to start two Conference Championship games in first two seasons in the NFL (2004 & 2005)

* Youngest starting QB ever to win the Super Bowl (2005; second-youngest QB to play in the Super Bowl, behind Dan Marino)

* Roethlisberger became the second quarterback in NFL history, along with Peyton Manning, to register three perfect passing games during the regular season, and the only quarterback to ever register two perfect passing games in one regular season.

* Most wins as a starting quarterback in first five NFL seasons (reg. season only) - 51 (from 2004-2008)

* Tied for most seasons with one or more postseason starts in the first five years in the league since 1960, with four starts (tied with Bernie Kosar, Neil O'Donnell, Donovan McNabb, and Eli Manning).

Ben is 62-25 as a starter including playoffs entering his 5th season. (You should of known better to get me started, madsplash) ShamefuckinSHAME.
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But anyway.. I have mixed feelings on this Favre saga. One minute I think he has it left in the tank, the next I feel the 2nd half for the season for Favre and the Vikes will be brutal. It all depends how fast out the gate they roll, earning team chemistry and respect. The locker room is KEY for Favre and the Vikes. It's going to be interesting.

Dude...I've always loved your passion for your Steelers. You don't have to defend Ben. Ben wins, period. While he'll never have Peyton Manning or Tom Brady numbers, it doesn't matter. The name of the game in the NFL is the win games and to win championships, and Ben does that. I could almost understand all this hype over Favre if it were 10 years ago or if he were remotely good. The reality is that Favre didn't rank in the top 10 QB's last season in yards. He didn't rank in the top 20 for QB rating, and he was dead last in interceptions thrown! The bottom line is that the guy simply isn't that good and just needs to go the fuck away and stop embarrassing himself. I've lost more respect for Favre than any other player over the course of his NFL career!