President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Rockindeano]

obama says...

“It is a core ethical and moral obligation that we look after each other. In wealthiest nation on earth, we are neglecting to live up to that call.”

pretty words. where is the ethical & moral obligation when it concerns an unborn child?

Did you hear all the biblical references he used when talking to the thousands of religious leaders via teleconference? Pitiful. I bet if that woulda been GWB the ACLU would've already filed suit claiming breach of separation of church & state.

I swear I don't think there's any lengths he won't go to in trying to get his way. I wonder how many faces he truly has...

And now what is your problem with Obama's faith values? You do the man is a Christian right? The difference is Obama doesn't go into a closet and dial up God on a hotline like W did. W was brainless, clueless.

My problem with his faith values is that he doesn't have any, he just uses words when he thinks it's will achieve his goals. What do ministers have to do with health care? He's trying to manipulate people, and he's doing it very badly. The only thing transparent about BO is what a fake he is.

LOL, maybe he should raise the terror level to red for some good hard laughs eh?

[Rick]

I'm gonna start going up to newly pregnant pro-choice women and kicking them as hard as I can in the stomach repeatedly. If it isn't murder when they do it, then it isn't when I do it.

Banning abortion isn't going to stop abortions. That's a proven fact. The problem is, the people that do decide to terminate will do it on the black market, with no enforced guidelines and much less professional care. That's what scares me. I'm for leaving it the way it is. I hate it, but it's the better option.

[Saint John]

I'm gonna start going up to newly pregnant pro-choice women and kicking them as hard as I can in the stomach repeatedly. If it isn't murder when they do it, then it isn't when I do it.

Oooh. That's harsh.

lol, it's also hyperbole! And I know you know that.

[JasonD]

I'm gonna start going up to newly pregnant pro-choice women and kicking them as hard as I can in the stomach repeatedly. If it isn't murder when they do it, then it isn't when I do it.

Banning abortion isn't going to stop abortions. That's a proven fact. The problem is, the people that do decide to terminate will do it on the black market, with no enforced guidelines and much less professional care. That's what scares me. I'm for leaving it the way it is. I hate it, but it's the better option.

I'm 100% with ya, bro. Wish there was a better way, but there isn't.

[donnaplease]

My problem with his faith values is that he doesn't have any, he just uses words when he thinks it's will achieve his goals. What do ministers have to do with health care? He's trying to manipulate people, and he's doing it very badly. The only thing transparent about BO is what a fake he is.

LOL, maybe he should raise the terror level to red for some good hard laughs eh?

LIVE IN THE NOW!!!

[treetopovskaya]

I'm gonna start going up to newly pregnant pro-choice women and kicking them as hard as I can in the stomach repeatedly. If it isn't murder when they do it, then it isn't when I do it.

Banning abortion isn't going to stop abortions. That's a proven fact. The problem is, the people that do decide to terminate will do it on the black market, with no enforced guidelines and much less professional care. That's what scares me. I'm for leaving it the way it is. I hate it, but it's the better option.

with restrictions tho. remember sarah's law? that law made perfect sense to me. if i had an underage daughter i would want her to come to me or her father... or any adult she could trust... i would NOT want her to go through that alone.

[treetopovskaya]

sarah's law...

http://www.yeson4.net/

[treetopovskaya]

oh & dean... thanks yet again for calling me stupid... if you questioned why i didn't reply to your pm it's because your words are pretty empty.

[donnaplease]

I'm gonna start going up to newly pregnant pro-choice women and kicking them as hard as I can in the stomach repeatedly. If it isn't murder when they do it, then it isn't when I do it.

Banning abortion isn't going to stop abortions. That's a proven fact. The problem is, the people that do decide to terminate will do it on the black market, with no enforced guidelines and much less professional care. That's what scares me. I'm for leaving it the way it is. I hate it, but it's the better option.

with restrictions tho. remember sarah's law? that law made perfect sense to me. if i had an underage daughter i would want her to come to me or her father... or any adult she could trust... i would NOT want her to go through that alone.

I'm not familiar with Sarah's law, Wendy, but I strongly believe that parents need to instill in their kids that they can come to them with situations like this. My girls aren't old enough to talk to about things like this, but when they are, we will certainly have that discussion. A friend of mine told her daughter that if she wound up pregnant she was gonna send her off to a 'home for unwed mothers'. IDK if those still exist or not, but I went ballistic on her, because it's fear like that that makes young girls feel like they have no other choice than an abortion or dumping their newborn off at a landfill somewhere. (Plus, I knew she was full of it, she woulda been the first one there to take care of her daughter and the baby!) Too many kids don't have support at home, and it's really sad.

My boys know they can talk to Travis & I about anything. It's a very comforting feeling as a parent.

[donnaplease]

I'm gonna start going up to newly pregnant pro-choice women and kicking them as hard as I can in the stomach repeatedly. If it isn't murder when they do it, then it isn't when I do it.

Banning abortion isn't going to stop abortions. That's a proven fact. The problem is, the people that do decide to terminate will do it on the black market, with no enforced guidelines and much less professional care. That's what scares me. I'm for leaving it the way it is. I hate it, but it's the better option.

Rick, do you believe that if this govt health care bill passes that abortions should be an included benefit?

[treetopovskaya]

obama says...

“It is a core ethical and moral obligation that we look after each other. In wealthiest nation on earth, we are neglecting to live up to that call.”

pretty words. where is the ethical & moral obligation when it concerns an unborn child?

That's a personal decision, and oh by the way, where are you Cons when it comes to welfare for that single mom to help take care of the unwanted child? You all look the other way.

Oh yea, and what Obama said is the absolute truth too. Well stated.

didn't know YOU were such a humanitarian dean... what exactly do you do to make the world a better place?

[Lula]

you're saying ff is a hypocrite? or being pro choice is hypocritical? i'm confused

No dear, what I'm saying is that it's hypocritical to say "my body my choice" when talking about abortion, yet pushing a health care reform package that will potentially limit the amount of "choice" a person will have to receive health services, simply based on age or other limiting factors. Will granny be able to say "my body my choice" when she's a hundred years old and needs a pacemaker, or will be she forced to suffer and 'take that pill' because the government tells her she's no longer a useful member of society. Who are they to decide that???

first off, i can only guess that if a citizen of 100 years needs a pacemaker, maybe the ticker has run out of steam. if medicare covers a pacemaker or she has private insurance i imagine she'll get it.

until i read the proposed bills or you point out the part that states choice will be limited regarding health services based on age or other limiting factors and who are deserving/useful members of society, etc... i'll continue to ask for health care reform because it is time.

i do not in anyway equate a pro choice stance with health care reform, but you all can do whatever you choose.

[RedWingFan]

I'm gonna start going up to newly pregnant pro-choice women and kicking them as hard as I can in the stomach repeatedly. If it isn't murder when they do it, then it isn't when I do it.

Banning abortion isn't going to stop abortions. That's a proven fact. The problem is, the people that do decide to terminate will do it on the black market, with no enforced guidelines and much less professional care. That's what scares me. I'm for leaving it the way it is. I hate it, but it's the better option.

Yeah Rick, and laws against drunk driving aren't going to stop people from driving drunk. So we might as well get rid of the law huh?

[Ehwmatt]

I'm gonna start going up to newly pregnant pro-choice women and kicking them as hard as I can in the stomach repeatedly. If it isn't murder when they do it, then it isn't when I do it.

That is simply amazing.

[RedWingFan]

Banning abortion isn't going to stop abortions. That's a proven fact. The problem is, the people that do decide to terminate will do it on the black market, with no enforced guidelines and much less professional care. That's what scares me. I'm for leaving it the way it is. I hate it, but it's the better option.

(Rick, circa 1850): "The problem is, those who own slaves will fight to the death for their right to own them. If we go to war over this, hundreds of thousands of Americans will die in the war. That's what scares me. I'm for leaving it the way it is. I hate it, but it's the better option."

Rick, If you believe something is abhorent? Stand up and fight against it!!! If not? Sit down with your eyes squeezed shut and fingers in your ears, while the defenseless and innocent are torn to pieces.

[Eric]

And before any of you say it's wrong to "push it through" or "ram it through," go fuck yourselves. As if it wasn't bad enough your party brought us national election fraud in 2000 and 2004, it is now being revealed that Tom Ridge, Bush 43's Sec of Homeland Security, has said they raised the alert level fraudulently, based on well, fraud, in order to keep the focus on terror, thus keeping that stupid sonofabitch Bush in office.

So before you Cons get your pussies all wet over the not so probability of a Con take over of the House in 2010, the corruption just keeps coming in waves. Imagine that, more Bush Admin corruptness.

What fraud? You mean Acorn in 2008? Or that your VP candidate in 2000 might be headed to jail?[/quote]

2000 VP candidate? You mean Lieberman? I have no idea what he did or didn't do, and could care less, as he is basically a fuckin republican anyway. If he did something wrong, throw his ass in the hole.[/quote]

Meant 2004....

[donnaplease]

Apparently the American Medical Association has weighed in on the new proposed Universal Medical Care planned....

The Allergists voted to scratch it, but the Dermatologists advised not to make any rash moves.

The Gastroenterologists had sort of a gut feeling about it, but the Neurologists thought the Administration had a lot of nerve.

The Obstetricians felt they were all laboring under a misconception.

Ophthalmologist considered the idea shortsighted.

Pathologists yelled, "Over my dead body!" while the Pediatricians said, 'Oh, Grow up!'

The Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, while the Radiologists could see right through it.

Surgeons decided to wash their hands of the whole thing. However the Orthopedists had a bone to pick about the plan.

The Internists thought it was a bitter pill to swallow, as did the Pharmacists, and the Plastic Surgeons said, "This puts a whole new face on the matter."

The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the Urologists were pissed off at the whole idea.

The Anesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas, and the Cardiologists didn't have the heart to say no.

In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up to the ASSHOLE in Washington.

[Tito]

Not to get off topic, but did anybody see Obama on NASCAR Channel? Did anybody buy his "knowledge" of NASCAR? Totally fake and bullshit.

And I suppose yours is impeccable? You stupid fucker couldn't comment on the sport if your life depended on it. What the Hell is Obama supposed to do, not have the Chase drivers visit? You think Bush had a clue on the Red Wings visit?

As for your knowledge, I bet you couldn't name the top 12 Chasers, let alone describe the format of the Chase. Hell, you have Chicagoland there in Chicago and I bet you didn't even go to the race.



I cannot wait until some sort of legislation gets passed through on Health Care. I will be here all day to rub all of your faces in it.

And before any of you say it's wrong to "push it through" or "ram it through," go fuck yourselves. As if it wasn't bad enough your party brought us national election fraud in 2000 and 2004, it is now being revealed that Tom Ridge, Bush 43's Sec of Homeland Security, has said they raised the alert level fraudulently, based on well, fraud, in order to keep the focus on terror, thus keeping that stupid sonofabitch Bush in office.

So before you Cons get your pussies all wet over the not so probability of a Con take over of the House in 2010, the corruption just keeps coming in waves. Imagine that, more Bush Admin corruptness.

First of all, go fuck yourself.

I didn't say anything about my knowledge of NASCAR and if I did go on the show, I would be bullshiting too because I could care less about NASCAR. What I said is he is totally fake on this...per usual. I'm sure Bush was fake on the Redwings. They're both political whores.

As far as the terror alert...duh! Like this was a surprise. I think the terror alerts to begin with is total bullshit and only a moron would think those "properly timed" alerts weren't done for political gain. Like that was a surprise.

[Tito]

Not to get off topic, but did anybody see Obama on NASCAR Channel? Did anybody buy his "knowledge" of NASCAR? Totally fake and bullshit.

And I suppose yours is impeccable? You stupid fucker couldn't comment on the sport if your life depended on it. What the Hell is Obama supposed to do, not have the Chase drivers visit? You think Bush had a clue on the Red Wings visit?

As for your knowledge, I bet you couldn't name the top 12 Chasers, let alone describe the format of the Chase. Hell, you have Chicagoland there in Chicago and I bet you didn't even go to the race.



I cannot wait until some sort of legislation gets passed through on Health Care. I will be here all day to rub all of your faces in it.

And before any of you say it's wrong to "push it through" or "ram it through," go fuck yourselves. As if it wasn't bad enough your party brought us national election fraud in 2000 and 2004, it is now being revealed that Tom Ridge, Bush 43's Sec of Homeland Security, has said they raised the alert level fraudulently, based on well, fraud, in order to keep the focus on terror, thus keeping that stupid sonofabitch Bush in office.

So before you Cons get your pussies all wet over the not so probability of a Con take over of the House in 2010, the corruption just keeps coming in waves. Imagine that, more Bush Admin corruptness.

What fraud? You mean Acorn in 2008? Or that your VP candidate in 2000 might be headed to jail?

2000 VP candidate? You mean Lieberman? I have no idea what he did or didn't do, and could care less, as he is basically a fuckin republican anyway. If he did something wrong, throw his ass in the hole.

Yep, the guy with an 8% ACU voting record is a republican. The only issue he sided with the Republicans (not true conservatives mind you) on was the Iraq war. Beside that, he is liberal on basically every issue. For the record, his Iraq war stance is another strike against him in my book.

[Tito]

I'm gonna start going up to newly pregnant pro-choice women and kicking them as hard as I can in the stomach repeatedly. If it isn't murder when they do it, then it isn't when I do it.

Banning abortion isn't going to stop abortions. That's a proven fact. The problem is, the people that do decide to terminate will do it on the black market, with no enforced guidelines and much less professional care. That's what scares me. I'm for leaving it the way it is. I hate it, but it's the better option.

Excluding cases for incest, rape, and health of the mother, I think if you get an abortion you should also get your tubes tied. If abortion is your method of birth control, then you should have the ultimate birth control - tubes tied.

[stevew2]

I'm gonna start going up to newly pregnant pro-choice women and kicking them as hard as I can in the stomach repeatedly. If it isn't murder when they do it, then it isn't when I do it.

Banning abortion isn't going to stop abortions. That's a proven fact. The problem is, the people that do decide to terminate will do it on the black market, with no enforced guidelines and much less professional care. That's what scares me. I'm for leaving it the way it is. I hate it, but it's the better option.

Excluding cases for incest, rape, and health of the mother, I think if you get an abortion you should also get your tubes tied. If abortion is your method of birth control, then you should have the ultimate birth control - tubes tied.

Shit happens sometimes Tito, you blowhard

[Angel]

Excluding cases for incest, rape, and health of the mother, I think if you get an abortion you should also get your tubes tied. If abortion is your method of birth control, then you should have the ultimate birth control - tubes tied.

And for the father??? Mandatory vasectomy??????

[Tito]

Excluding cases for incest, rape, and health of the mother, I think if you get an abortion you should also get your tubes tied. If abortion is your method of birth control, then you should have the ultimate birth control - tubes tied.

And for the father??? Mandatory vasectomy??????

Thank you for bringing this up. What about father's rights in abortion? What if the father wants to keep the child but the mother wants to abort it? I've always said the father angle is never brought up in the debate. To answer your question, if the father signs off on the abortion, I would be open to the vasectomy argument.

[Tito]

I'm gonna start going up to newly pregnant pro-choice women and kicking them as hard as I can in the stomach repeatedly. If it isn't murder when they do it, then it isn't when I do it.

Banning abortion isn't going to stop abortions. That's a proven fact. The problem is, the people that do decide to terminate will do it on the black market, with no enforced guidelines and much less professional care. That's what scares me. I'm for leaving it the way it is. I hate it, but it's the better option.

Excluding cases for incest, rape, and health of the mother, I think if you get an abortion you should also get your tubes tied. If abortion is your method of birth control, then you should have the ultimate birth control - tubes tied.

Shit happens sometimes Tito, you blowhard

Shut up retard.

[Angel]

Excluding cases for incest, rape, and health of the mother, I think if you get an abortion you should also get your tubes tied. If abortion is your method of birth control, then you should have the ultimate birth control - tubes tied.

And for the father??? Mandatory vasectomy??????

Thank you for bringing this up. What about father's rights in abortion? What if the father wants to keep the child but the mother wants to abort it? I've always said the father angle is never brought up in the debate. To answer your question, if the father signs off on the abortion, I would be open to the vasectomy argument.

I agree, fathers do have rights....they also have responsiblities.

[Gibby]

I love how these arguments always end up going something like this. 'Obama has done x, y, and z terribly. Oh yeah? Well George Bush did a, b, and c terribly.' Very playground and ridiculous. Live in the now people. Bush is no longer President.

I was born in 1968 and my first memories of a President are Jimmy Carter. So, in my short 41 year history I have NEVER seen a newly elected President stumble out of the gate like this. It is discouraging as an American - not as a democrat or a republican. It has been embarrassing to watch. I got caught up in the Obama orgasm everyone was having during the election - my fault. I regret that vote - he is not a leader, he is in over his head, and he is proving to be less than Presidential.

The Carter, Reagan, Bush,Clinton,Bush eras are over. They are in the past; lets leave them there and focus on Obama. I find no comfort knowing that Obama is my President - I have already lost faith in my vote.

[Tito]

Excluding cases for incest, rape, and health of the mother, I think if you get an abortion you should also get your tubes tied. If abortion is your method of birth control, then you should have the ultimate birth control - tubes tied.

And for the father??? Mandatory vasectomy??????

Thank you for bringing this up. What about father's rights in abortion? What if the father wants to keep the child but the mother wants to abort it? I've always said the father angle is never brought up in the debate. To answer your question, if the father signs off on the abortion, I would be open to the vasectomy argument.

I agree, fathers do have rights....they also have responsiblities.

I agree.

[Tito]

I love how these arguments always end up going something like this. 'Obama has done x, y, and z terribly. Oh yeah? Well George Bush did a, b, and c terribly.' Very playground and ridiculous. Live in the now people. Bush is no longer President.

I was born in 1968 and my first memories of a President are Jimmy Carter. So, in my short 41 year history I have NEVER seen a newly elected President stumble out of the gate like this. It is discouraging as an American - not as a democrat or a republican. It has been embarrassing to watch. I got caught up in the Obama orgasm everyone was having during the election - my fault. I regret that vote - he is not a leader, he is in over his head, and he is proving to be less than Presidential.

The Carter, Reagan, Bush,Clinton,Bush eras are over. They are in the past; lets leave them there and focus on Obama. I find no comfort knowing that Obama is my President - I have already lost faith in my vote.

I agree with this. But, the thing that aggravates me the most is when one side argues against the other but then defends the same policies under their guy. Specifically for Republicans, they argue against spending but when they were in power they spent like motherfuckers. Or they ripped Johnny, oops Janet Reno for her big government/intrusive actions yet defended the Patriot Act. Same thing with Bush's foreign policy, we used to be against things like that. Fuck them all. At least I'm consistent and therefore, I'm always right.

[donnaplease]

I love how these arguments always end up going something like this. 'Obama has done x, y, and z terribly. Oh yeah? Well George Bush did a, b, and c terribly.' Very playground and ridiculous. Live in the now people. Bush is no longer President.

I was born in 1968 and my first memories of a President are Jimmy Carter. So, in my short 41 year history I have NEVER seen a newly elected President stumble out of the gate like this. It is discouraging as an American - not as a democrat or a republican. It has been embarrassing to watch. I got caught up in the Obama orgasm everyone was having during the election - my fault. I regret that vote - he is not a leader, he is in over his head, and he is proving to be less than Presidential.

The Carter, Reagan, Bush,Clinton,Bush eras are over. They are in the past; lets leave them there and focus on Obama. I find no comfort knowing that Obama is my President - I have already lost faith in my vote.

I said it first.

[Rick]

I'm gonna start going up to newly pregnant pro-choice women and kicking them as hard as I can in the stomach repeatedly. If it isn't murder when they do it, then it isn't when I do it.

Banning abortion isn't going to stop abortions. That's a proven fact. The problem is, the people that do decide to terminate will do it on the black market, with no enforced guidelines and much less professional care. That's what scares me. I'm for leaving it the way it is. I hate it, but it's the better option.

Rick, do you believe that if this govt health care bill passes that abortions should be an included benefit?

If it's medically necessary, yes. If it's used because two people made a mistake, no.