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Arianddu wrote:SP Fan in Oregon wrote:Arianddu wrote:SPFiO, chill girl!! I think you're taking this far too seriously. BJG doesn't want to be identified with a certain group of people that you lumped her in with. She recognises the difference between a fan of the music and the man who made it and someone who is a little too obsessed with the man, forgetting in the process that he's a human being with the same need as all the rest of us to a little privacy and respect for personal space from strangers. I agree with her; some people take it too far; I shudder to think how I would feel if I knew total strangers to me had copies of my birth certificate, found out where I live and what properties I own, if people I don't know from Adam thought it was ok to take photos of me without my knowledge and then posted it all over the web, felt it was ok to send twitters about where I am and what I'm doing.
Take the 'Steve Perry Famous Singer' out of the equation and insert yourself into that situation. It's pretty uncomfortable when you think about it. I totally understand BJG saying she doesn't want to be lumped in with people who feel it's ok to do that just because he's famous; I feel the same way. Doesn't mean I'm not curious about him, or that I don't have loony tendancies, just that I recognise there's a line that I shouldn't cross, tempted as I am sometimes. Sometimes we all need a reminder that SP isn't some public property we have rights to, he's a person, and a very private one at that.
For myself, I'll take the loon title, because I recognise my interest in SP goes beyond just being a fan of the music. But I'll also say that as a fan of the man as well as the music, I'll keep asking myself 'is this something I'd be ok with if it was being done to me?' Because surely being a dedicated fan means respecting SP's life more than my own curiousity.
My point was that she is lumping others into that category too, who in her judgement are doing something she doesn't approve of.
Asking a Sullies member if they have recordings they are willing to share is not the same thing as camping out in Perry's bushes.
That's how this started. I couldn't agree more that no one should be invading Perry's personal space, but participating in an internet forum or otherwise about Perry
is not getting into his bushes or telling other people where his bushes are. She needs to get off her high horse, that's my point.
Ok, fair point, but like I said, I think you and everyone else is taking this far too seriously; perhaps it would be accurate to say taking it far too personally. I empathise with BJG's distaste for being labelled something she isn't, and I also think that you, and some others, tend to jump to the defensive when nothing was directed at you personally. Something we all do, I guess.
JH'sTXfan wrote:Whoever was responsible for that pic (Voyager?) is sick.![]()
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JH'sTXfan wrote:Everyone on MR would listen to the Sullies, do you, BJG and Arriandu, deny that? I hope the guy gets them transferred to digital. That would be SOMETHING to hear.
Arianddu wrote:JH'sTXfan wrote:Everyone on MR would listen to the Sullies, do you, BJG and Arriandu, deny that? I hope the guy gets them transferred to digital. That would be SOMETHING to hear.
If the members of the band want to release it, sure, I'll listen, why not. I said before, I don't deny my own loon side, I just keep it restrained. Someone who knows a guy who used to be in a band with Perry asking if they can have copies of an old recording I don't have an issue with. Someone hunting down an old band mate of Perry's just to get the recording... that I'm not so sure of.
SP Fan in Oregon wrote:It was personal and she knows it was. How come you don't "empathize with my distaste for being labelled" by BJB something I'm not?
Arianddu wrote:SP Fan in Oregon wrote:It was personal and she knows it was. How come you don't "empathize with my distaste for being labelled" by BJB something I'm not?
Ok, this is how I saw it run:
BJG made a comment that wasn't directed to any one specific person, asking if people really were emailing SP's former bandmates asking for this stuff.
You responded by citing a post she made as an obvious joke, then said "Nice to see that you're a loon too.So don't pretend you aren't, and we are all whacked out freaks.
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That was making it personal, and stated outright that BJG is something she is not, with a heavy implication that she is a hypocrit.
BJG responded to state that she was not in that cataegory and didn't like being classed as one, and once again gave a non-specific description of behaviour that she does not identify with - no names were mentioned, nothing was said that pin-points one specific person (unless someone here on MR has a twitter account called Steve Perry that I missed reading about.)
You responded, again on a directly personal level, saying "I didn't realize that you were monitoring what other MR members are doing, but that seems to me to be on the "scary level of obsessive"![]()
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Again, a direct claim to BJG, with some pretty heavy implications of hypocrisy on her part. The rest of your post strongly implied that you felt she was attacking you personally.
I responded by saying you needed to chill a little, and not take it so seriously. You seem to take a lot of the comments about the more extreme, invasive behaviour of some fans as being personally directed at you. Now, some would say if you see yourself in the description then you should wear the badge; I'm more inclined to say that you are being oversensitive, reading meanings into things that are not there, and need to relax a little.
You've now directly said that it was personal, and she knows it. I don't know what BJG meant, but I know that you levelled the same accusation at me not so long ago, and it certainly wasn't the case then; I'm guessing it's not the case now.
As for why I don't emphasise with your distaste for BJG labelling you something you are not, it's difficult when she hasn't labelled you as anything. If you chose to wear the general description she made, there's nothing I can do about it except say again - chill, relax, stop taking things so personally.
SP Fan in Oregon wrote:
Thank you for your summary, but obviously you have missed some past posts between BJG and me.
You know there are a lot of new folks who came over from Perryville to this Perry forum. If they see that long time members are here "generally" judging what is appropriate to say and what isn't,
it is going to stifle the conversations, people will be afraid to say what they want to say, or ask questions about Perry for fear of being attacked for being a stalker or lunatic.
It's just ridiculous that inuendo and accusations continue, or that they have followed from the Journey forum into this new Perry forum. The level of locked threads in
the Journey forum became very uncomfortable, and when the Perry forum opened, it has been a breath of fresh air that many of us have remarked about. Let's keep it that way.
Jubilee wrote:SP Fan in Oregon wrote:
Thank you for your summary, but obviously you have missed some past posts between BJG and me.
You know there are a lot of new folks who came over from Perryville to this Perry forum. If they see that long time members are here "generally" judging what is appropriate to say and what isn't,
it is going to stifle the conversations, people will be afraid to say what they want to say, or ask questions about Perry for fear of being attacked for being a stalker or lunatic.
It's just ridiculous that inuendo and accusations continue, or that they have followed from the Journey forum into this new Perry forum. The level of locked threads in
the Journey forum became very uncomfortable, and when the Perry forum opened, it has been a breath of fresh air that many of us have remarked about. Let's keep it that way.
Spiffy, get hold of yourself. This is a Perry FORUM on MelodicRock.com, not Perryville II, or some other Perry love-fest (unofficial) fan sight. Clearly all views and opinions are welcome, but if you put something out here on the forum, you have a reasonable expectation that there will be discussion - and not all of it will be favorable.
Speaking in general terms, if one does loonish and stalker-like things, you better believe one can expect to be called on it, at least on this forum. When it happens (and it will) there are really only two things you can do: a) own it, or b) stand up like a grown man or woman and defend your position (preferably without shriveling up into a defensive, sniveling little ball). We're all adults here.
LLL wrote:Arianddu wrote:BJG responded to state that she was not in that category and didn't like being classed as one, and once again gave a non-specific description of behaviour that she does not identify with - no names were mentioned, nothing was said that pin-points one specific person (unless someone here on MR has a twitter account called Steve Perry that I missed reading about.)
You know Ari, I seriously don't know why someone would use Steve Perry's name in the bio section of their Twitter account. If they want to connect with other Perry fans or people with similar interests, couldn't they just use hashtags when they tweet about Perry? By using his name in their bio, it implies that their Twitter existence is only for all things Perry. Can you imagine if every fan of every musician or celebrity used that musician or celebrity's name in their Twitter bio?![]()
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Jubilee wrote:SP Fan in Oregon wrote:
Thank you for your summary, but obviously you have missed some past posts between BJG and me.
You know there are a lot of new folks who came over from Perryville to this Perry forum. If they see that long time members are here "generally" judging what is appropriate to say and what isn't,
it is going to stifle the conversations, people will be afraid to say what they want to say, or ask questions about Perry for fear of being attacked for being a stalker or lunatic.
It's just ridiculous that inuendo and accusations continue, or that they have followed from the Journey forum into this new Perry forum. The level of locked threads in
the Journey forum became very uncomfortable, and when the Perry forum opened, it has been a breath of fresh air that many of us have remarked about. Let's keep it that way.
Spiffy, get hold of yourself. This is a Perry FORUM on MelodicRock.com, not Perryville II, or some other Perry love-fest (unofficial) fan sight. Clearly all views and opinions are welcome, but if you put something out here on the forum, you have a reasonable expectation that there will be discussion - and not all of it will be favorable.
Speaking in general terms, if one does loonish and stalker-like things, you better believe one can expect to be called on it, at least on this forum. When it happens (and it will) there are really only two things you can do: a) own it, or b) stand up like a grown man or woman and defend your position (preferably without shriveling up into a defensive, sniveling little ball). We're all adults here.
SP Fan in Oregon wrote:
Thank you for your summary, but obviously you have missed some past posts between BJG and me.
You know there are a lot of new folks who came over from Perryville to this Perry forum. If they see that long time members are here "generally" judging what is appropriate to say and what isn't,
it is going to stifle the conversations, people will be afraid to say what they want to say, or ask questions about Perry for fear of being attacked for being a stalker or lunatic.
It's just ridiculous that inuendo and accusations continue, or that they have followed from the Journey forum into this new Perry forum. The level of locked threads in
the Journey forum became very uncomfortable, and when the Perry forum opened, it has been a breath of fresh air that many of us have remarked about. Let's keep it that way.
SP Fan in Oregon wrote:LLL wrote:Arianddu wrote:BJG responded to state that she was not in that category and didn't like being classed as one, and once again gave a non-specific description of behaviour that she does not identify with - no names were mentioned, nothing was said that pin-points one specific person (unless someone here on MR has a twitter account called Steve Perry that I missed reading about.)
You know Ari, I seriously don't know why someone would use Steve Perry's name in the bio section of their Twitter account. If they want to connect with other Perry fans or people with similar interests, couldn't they just use hashtags when they tweet about Perry? By using his name in their bio, it implies that their Twitter existence is only for all things Perry. Can you imagine if every fan of every musician or celebrity used that musician or celebrity's name in their Twitter bio?![]()
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Well, there are some Steve Perry Twitter accounts that do not identify that they are a fan, one in particular that says Steve Perry 101 and acts like it is him in the posts.
There are other Steve Perry Twitter accounts that identify that they ARE A FAN, and not Steve Perry, even though the site celebrates Steve Perry, not unlike websites about Perry.
When someone who is interested in all things Steve Perry, does a search of his name and all the Steve Perry Twitter accounts come up and then they can follow whichever one they choose.
That's how Twitter works and how those fans connect within the account. It works just fine and exactly the way it is suppose to work.
For instance, if Laydee made a website with HER NAME on it and someone typed a google search for Steve Perry, they would NEVER find her website. That's why her site is called For the love of Steve Perry. If someone googles Steve Perry, they will find her website. Same thing on Twitter. So, LLL, don't get your panties on too tight about Steve Perry twitter sites. They are here to stay, unless someone like the Steve Perry 101 is trying to say they are HIM, or indicate they are him. That's just plain WRONG... There are others like that I think too that don't say they are a fan. Just plain wrong... If Perry had his own twitter account that is where all the followers would go, but he doesn't, so they are being created. Other celebrities have their own twitter accounts and you can tell they are authentic, because they have a verification notice right on the account. That's your Twitter lesson for today. I'm going out rafting now on the River. Have a good day everyone.
LLL wrote:SP Fan in Oregon wrote:LLL wrote:Arianddu wrote:BJG responded to state that she was not in that category and didn't like being classed as one, and once again gave a non-specific description of behaviour that she does not identify with - no names were mentioned, nothing was said that pin-points one specific person (unless someone here on MR has a twitter account called Steve Perry that I missed reading about.)
You know Ari, I seriously don't know why someone would use Steve Perry's name in the bio section of their Twitter account. If they want to connect with other Perry fans or people with similar interests, couldn't they just use hashtags when they tweet about Perry? By using his name in their bio, it implies that their Twitter existence is only for all things Perry. Can you imagine if every fan of every musician or celebrity used that musician or celebrity's name in their Twitter bio?![]()
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Well, there are some Steve Perry Twitter accounts that do not identify that they are a fan, one in particular that says Steve Perry 101 and acts like it is him in the posts.
There are other Steve Perry Twitter accounts that identify that they ARE A FAN, and not Steve Perry, even though the site celebrates Steve Perry, not unlike websites about Perry.
When someone who is interested in all things Steve Perry, does a search of his name and all the Steve Perry Twitter accounts come up and then they can follow whichever one they choose.
That's how Twitter works and how those fans connect within the account. It works just fine and exactly the way it is suppose to work.
For instance, if Laydee made a website with HER NAME on it and someone typed a google search for Steve Perry, they would NEVER find her website. That's why her site is called For the love of Steve Perry. If someone googles Steve Perry, they will find her website. Same thing on Twitter. So, LLL, don't get your panties on too tight about Steve Perry twitter sites. They are here to stay, unless someone like the Steve Perry 101 is trying to say they are HIM, or indicate they are him. That's just plain WRONG... There are others like that I think too that don't say they are a fan. Just plain wrong... If Perry had his own twitter account that is where all the followers would go, but he doesn't, so they are being created. Other celebrities have their own twitter accounts and you can tell they are authentic, because they have a verification notice right on the account. That's your Twitter lesson for today. I'm going out rafting now on the River. Have a good day everyone.
Thanks for the info. Of course this is bad news for Neal because there is only one Twitter account with his name in the bio. If this is how Twitter is supposed to work, I guess he must not have many fans. Sorry Jana.![]()
SP Fan in Oregon wrote:Jubilee wrote:
Spiffy, get hold of yourself. This is a Perry FORUM on MelodicRock.com, not Perryville II, or some other Perry love-fest (unofficial) fan sight. Clearly all views and opinions are welcome, but if you put something out here on the forum, you have a reasonable expectation that there will be discussion - and not all of it will be favorable.
Speaking in general terms, if one does loonish and stalker-like things, you better believe one can expect to be called on it, at least on this forum. When it happens (and it will) there are really only two things you can do: a) own it, or b) stand up like a grown man or woman and defend your position (preferably without shriveling up into a defensive, sniveling little ball). We're all adults here.
I agree with you on most of this, but everything seems to be "stalker-like" and the latest, "emailing for Sully recordings" has nothing to do with stalking. It has nothing to do with finding Perry and where his bushes are.
Jubilee wrote:SP Fan in Oregon wrote:Jubilee wrote:
Spiffy, get hold of yourself. This is a Perry FORUM on MelodicRock.com, not Perryville II, or some other Perry love-fest (unofficial) fan sight. Clearly all views and opinions are welcome, but if you put something out here on the forum, you have a reasonable expectation that there will be discussion - and not all of it will be favorable.
Speaking in general terms, if one does loonish and stalker-like things, you better believe one can expect to be called on it, at least on this forum. When it happens (and it will) there are really only two things you can do: a) own it, or b) stand up like a grown man or woman and defend your position (preferably without shriveling up into a defensive, sniveling little ball). We're all adults here.
I agree with you on most of this, but everything seems to be "stalker-like" and the latest, "emailing for Sully recordings" has nothing to do with stalking. It has nothing to do with finding Perry and where his bushes are.
I really think it's a matter of degree. We're all Perry fans, and deep down inside most of us have to admit to loonish outbursts from time to time - me included. Now, I will go anywhere and pay any price to see the man perform again (if it should ever happen). I will listen to any clip, and look at any new pic posted here on MR. Now will I go out of my way, or spend an inordinate amount of time trying to [b]FIND this stuff?[/b] No. You must admit, there is something unseemly about the amount of time, effort, and emotion some "fans" invest in someone they don't know. It just looks, well...loonish.
SP Fan in Oregon wrote:For instance, if Laydee made a website with HER NAME on it and someone typed a google search for Steve Perry, they would NEVER find her website.
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