Why does Neal never get the recognition he deserves?

[Deb]

so Open Arms is to blame?


Every great guitarist in the world hates it so much that they conspired to leave Neal off the list as an act of revenge????


But but what about Jeff Beck's 'Hi Ho silver Lining?' creating THAT has to be a hanging offence?????

Or Paul Gilbert's To Be With You. LOL a lot of bands have their own Open Arms.

[portland]

Neal is simply the best.

Jana....here's your pom-poms...you can borrow mine..just make sure you return them...

[Don]

I thought Perry was supposed to be the whiner.

[Since 78]

This is what happens when you decide that Open Arms is indispensable and must be performed during every single show.
FEEL THE PAIN, FRO. FEEL THE PAIN.

[JasonD]

Why doesn't Neal get the recognition he deserves? Hmmmm....let me take a stab at that.

Perry = nice
Neal = mean

Perry = good
Neal = evil

Perry = angel
Neal = devil


People don't want to give props to Neal b/c they equate that with taking props away from Perry. It's all a part of the musical juggernaut designed to prevent Neal from receiving the recognition he deserves. According to the blueprints of the diabolical master plan, they have to keep Neal's talents on the down low until Perry's able to rule the world.

(I kid but there's probably a little bit of truth in there somewhere....well, except for that "rule the world" part.)

[perryswoman]

I don't know but I can't wait to stare at his fine A** as he plays those riffs in greensboro from the first 5 rows!!!

[Jana]

Neal is simply the best.

Jana....here's your pom-poms...you can borrow mine ..just make sure you return them...

Just stating a fact. I'm all about the facts.

[JasonD]

I don't know but I can't wait to stare at his fine A** as he plays those riffs in greensboro from the first 5 rows!!!

His triple "A" card?

[perryswoman]

I don't know but I can't wait to stare at his fine A** as he plays those riffs in greensboro from the first 5 rows!!!

His triple "A" card?

Hey call it what you want!! I just call it fine!!

[steveo777]

I don't know but I can't wait to stare at his fine A** as he plays those riffs in greensboro from the first 5 rows!!!

His triple "A" card?

Hey call it what you want!! I just call it fine!!

This is a relief to know that women are still attracted to vintage A**. I'm gonna be turning 50 in a few days so maybe my assumptions have been incorrect....maybe my compass has been wrong.....maybe I AM the sum of my individual parts....maybe.............

[portland]

Neal is simply the best.

Jana....here's your pom-poms...you can borrow mine ..just make sure you return them...

Just stating a fact. I'm all about the facts.

Just don't forget the most important fact ~ Perry + Schon = simply the best

[Jana]

Neal is simply the best.

Jana....here's your pom-poms...you can borrow mine ..just make sure you return them...

Just stating a fact. I'm all about the facts.

Just don't forget the most important fact ~ Perry + Schon = simply the best

You ding dong. This is the best guitarist thread. Get Perry off the brain for one second, Portland. Let Neal have his glory.

[Voyager]

Neal is in my Top 3 Guitarists list. Fuck the reviewers... WTF do they know? They screwed Journey back in the 80's and it still continues with Neal's lack of recognition.

The fact that they put Keith Richards in the top 100 and didn't put Neal in it shows how fucking retarded the listmaker is. Friga is probably a better guitarist than Keith Richards.

[perryswoman]

Neal is the my Top 3 Guitarists list. Fuck the reviewers... WTF do they know? They screwed Journey back in the 80's and it still continues with Neal's lack of recognition.

The fact that they put Keith Richards in the top 100 and didn't put Neal in it shows how fucking retarded the listmaker is. Friga is pretty a better guitarist than Keith Richards is.

Yep gotta agree here too!

[portland]

Neal is simply the best.

Jana....here's your pom-poms...you can borrow mine ..just make sure you return them...

Just stating a fact. I'm all about the facts.

Just don't forget the most important fact ~ Perry + Schon = simply the best

You ding dong. This is the best guitarist thread. Get Perry off the brain for one second, Portland. Let Neal have his glory. [/quote



OK OK - I still can't feel the love but I will go back to my corner now

[Jana]

Neal is simply the best.

Jana....here's your pom-poms...you can borrow mine ..just make sure you return them...

Just stating a fact. I'm all about the facts.

Just don't forget the most important fact ~ Perry + Schon = simply the best

You ding dong. This is the best guitarist thread. Get Perry off the brain for one second, Portland. Let Neal have his glory. [/quote



OK OK - I still can't feel the love but I will go back to my corner now

Buy Beyond the Thunder or Voice and you will feel the love for Neal as a guitarist. Two superb solo albums.

[Red13JoePa]

75% of the first list couldn't even carry Neal Schon's codpiece on guitar.

[Arianddu]

Perry = nice
Neal = mean

That's not Neal, this is Neal ->

[JasonD]

Perry = nice
Neal = mean

That's not Neal, this is Neal ->

I stand corrected.

[KDOUBLEU]

Neal may be mean or whatever but the fact remains. That old boy can play a Guitar and he deserves to be on every Guitar Greats list that there is. He is an incredible player and the people who made up that list just plain dont have a clue.

[portland]

Perry = nice
Neal = mean

That's not Neal, this is Neal ->

Or this

[Arianddu]

Perry = nice
Neal = mean

That's not Neal, this is Neal ->

I stand corrected.

Hey, you got a pretty good Perricon, I just think mine was a better Schonicon (Besides which, I'm an Aussie, you've got to say it right - try channelling Crocodile Dundee.)

[Vladan]

In UK Classic Rock this month there is a feature on the 100 greatest guitar players of all time. They asked great guitarists to name their favourites and the list was compiled.

He's nowhere to be seen. Hasn't even been asked to comment on other 'great' guitarists.

He is clearly a great player. His style is recognisable. He's sold millions of 'units' all over the world. So why is he not classed as one of the greats?

I know everyone has different tastes, but a top ONE HUNDRED and he isn't there? It makes me really angry.

The list is - in reverse order.........
jimmy herring
ritchie blackmore
al di meola
mick ralphs
carl verheyen
stan webb
stevie ray vaughan
hank marvin
matthias jabs
john lennon
andy latimer
dave gilmour
larry carlton
davy graham
derek trucks
glen tipton & kk downing
chris cain
jeff beck
jim mc carty
keith richards
jerry reed
joe bonamassa
rory gallagher
mike bloomfield
billy gibbons
leslie west
billy duffy
skip james
frank marino
elliott randall
chet atkins
jack white
django reinhardt
jimi hendrix
vini reilly
joe perry
eddie van halen
marty freidman
steve morse
mick green
mick taylor
scott gorham
brian may
roy buchanan
robert fripp
paul gilbert
greg sage
carlos santana
jimmy page
yngwie malmsteen
jeff skunk baxter
paul kossoff
jerry cantrell
angus young
dan auerbach
danny whitten
wolf hoffmann
john martyn
bill frisell
bireli lagrene
lowell george
eric clapton
slash
randy rhoads
bukka white
robby kreiger
john mc laughlin
zakk wylde
bb king
ron asheton
audley freed
joe satriani
michael schenker
peter green
lonnie donegan
johnny winter
buck dharma
geordie
matt bellamy
neil young
uli jon roth
john cipollina
chuck berry
george harrison
pete townshend
randy california
cliff gallup
rick derringer
duane allman
robin trower
steve vai
davy o list
alvin lee
kirk hammett
bill nelson
jeff healey
tom morello
tony iommi
malcolm young
frank zappa

I know, it's ridicules isn't it. It's the same when you read a list of the greatest rock singers of all time, and people like Mick Jagger are listed higher than people like Steve Perry, John Farnham, Joe Lynn Turner, Jimmy Jamison even, and probably Mickey Thomas, Lou Gramm. Can it get anymore f***ked up than that? I don't think so. In his genre Neal is in the TOP 3 no particular order IMO, for that style of music, for classic rock, probably number 1 even? I am not biased either, but his guitar riffs and solo's are the most memorable out of them all IMO.

People who compile those lists are brown nosing big time, they are kissing ass and ought to be ashamed of themselves. And yes it pisses me off too I would boycott that magazine ASAP.

[kgdjpubs]

I'd say it has to do with a combination of factors. The major one is that Journey was built more around vocals than the guitar, so Perry became the face of the band. Then, for better or worse, it was categorized as a pop band more than a rock band. The pop/ballad singles didn't have all that much guitar in them either, so unless you heard the full albums, you didn't really hear that much guitar. The last big thing is the majority of the guitar you did hear in the singles was tame and melodic, not full-on shredding. Take your average teenage hard rock fan, and a nicely-played melodic solo isn't going to have the same macho hero effect as your head-banging shredfest. You can get away with that in other genres (see blues, for example), but very rarely in pop/rock. For better or worse, aggressive lead guitar and Journey radio songs just never went together.

Doesn't have anything to do with talent, and personally, I'm more impressed with someone who can/will play what the song needs as opposed to using it as a springboard for guitar acrobatics (see Yngwie Malmsteen for the polar opposite). I don't think any of these factors alone would have cut him automatically, but it's more of a cumulative effect. If something like HSAS had gone big, the public opinion might be different, but at this point, it's VERY unlikely that you will get a song that would change popular opinion--and even less likely with Journey. We know he should be there, but it's based on the full body of work--and THAT, is what 99% of the people haven't heard.

[journeyrock]

Neal is simply the best.

Jana....here's your pom-poms...you can borrow mine ..just make sure you return them...

Just stating a fact. I'm all about the facts.

Just don't forget the most important fact ~ Perry + Schon = simply the best

You ding dong. This is the best guitarist thread. Get Perry off the brain for one second, Portland. Let Neal have his glory. [/quote



OK OK - I still can't feel the love but I will go back to my corner now

Buy Beyond the Thunder or Voice and you will feel the love for Neal as a guitarist. Two superb solo albums.

As much of a Perry Loon as I am, I feel the love with Neal's I on U album. Simply awesome guitar work and as much emotion as Perry belts out with his voice.

I don't care for Neal one little bit, but I can't deny his talent with a guitar.

[Don]

Can someone forward this to Neal so he can blog about how he gets no respect from the musical establishment? This list wasn't put together by critics. It was Guitar players grading their own.

[steveo777]

Can someone forward this to Neal so he can blog about how he gets no respect from the musical establishment? This list wasn't put together by critics. It was Guitar players grading their own.

Yeah, so 'sup with that? Neal apparently isn't one of their own. Still, how can they deny his talent?

[journeyrock]

Can someone forward this to Neal so he can blog about how he gets no respect from the musical establishment? This list wasn't put together by critics. It was Guitar players grading their own.

Yeah, so 'sup with that? Neal apparently isn't one of their own. Still, how can they deny his talent?

Because he never felt like part of the club?

[Don]

Can someone forward this to Neal so he can blog about how he gets no respect from the musical establishment? This list wasn't put together by critics. It was Guitar players grading their own.

Yeah, so 'sup with that? Neal apparently isn't one of their own. Still, how can they deny his talent?

Because he never felt like part of the club?

Maybe they're all friends with JSS.

[Deb]

Can someone forward this to Neal so he can blog about how he gets no respect from the musical establishment? This list wasn't put together by critics. It was Guitar players grading their own.

Yeah, so 'sup with that? Neal apparently isn't one of their own. Still, how can they deny his talent?

Because he never felt like part of the club?

Maybe they're all friends with JSS.

Damn you G.....made me LOL here at work.